CRISIS Ebola: National Guard commandeering people

[Mama Ten Bears]

Family of ebola patient initially did not comply with order to stay home

October 2, 2014 | Updated: October 2, 2014 5:54pm
Mercy Kennedy, 9, cries as she learned her mother has died, outside her home in Monrovia, Liberia, Thursday Oct. 2, 2014. Kennedy's mother was taken away by an ambulance to an Ebola ward the day before.

Jerome Delay, AP

Mercy Kennedy, 9, cries as she learned her mother has died, outside her home in Monrovia, Liberia, Thursday Oct. 2, 2014. Kennedy's mother was taken away by an ambulance to an Ebola ward the day before.

The family of America's first Ebola patient initially did not comply with an order to stay at home, Dallas officials revealed Thursday amid a scramble to eliminate any chance of the deadly disease spreading.

About 100 people may have had at least brief contact with Thomas Eric Duncan before he was isolated in a Dallas hospital, officials said Thursday, but four members of the 42-year-old Liberian man's family are of particular concern.

Police officers on Thursday took up posts outside the family's Dallas apartment to ensure compliance with an official order to stay, County Judge Clay Jenkins said in an afternoon news conference.

"They were non-compliant with requests to stay home," said Jenkins, who did not elaborate.

The news came hours after Liberian officials announced they intend to prosecute Duncan for allegedly lying about his interaction with Ebola just before flying from that country to America last month. Meanwhile, the Texas Senate has scheduled a hearing on the state's response and readiness in handling Ebola, the Associated Press reported Thursday afternoon. The hearing is set for Tuesday.

Duncan wrote on a pre-flight questionnaire obtained by the Associated Press that he had not cared for an Ebola patient or touched the body of anyone who had died in an area affected by the disease.

Neighbors have said they believe Duncan became infected when he helped bundle a sick pregnant neighbor into a taxi a few weeks ago and set off with her to find treatment.

"He lied on his form," said Binyah Kesselly, chairman of the Liberia Airport Authority, in announcing the looming prosecution. "If he had answered truthfully, he would have been sent to secondary screening immediately and not allowed to leave."

Duncan left Liberia on Sept. 19, flying from Brussels to Washington, D.C., and then on to Dallas-Fort Worth, arriving the next day to visit relatives, according to airlines.
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/new...a029895b84&cmpid=twitter-premium&t=19b3be55a0


You guys remember al those Fema Region 3 bio supplies orders from months ago? Suits, tents, showers, saline, MRE's, etc?

I watched the briefing. When asked why they were being restricted by court order, Jenkins said that they were not compliant and he could not ensure he could get their temps checked. The way he said it immediately made me think they were trying to flee. I'm certain that apartment complex has had runners.

 

[vessie]

Yes she can, the NDAA opened this door, to comandeer personal resources, from farms, manufactorers, etc, INCLUDING employees. Don't believe me, go read it.

Eta thank you OP, this alarming at best. Tally is up to 100 exposed. Plane went on to LA after departure of ebola patient. Backtracking steps, patient went to conveniance store nearby and vomitted outside. This is a potential firestorm smoldering in a large metro area.

Yep, she can be, as the old saying goes, 'dragooned' and if they're desparate enough, a doctors note won't meant squat.

They'll be back... V

 

[the watcher]

Delay in Dallas Ebola Cleanup as Workers Balk at Task
DALLAS — More than a week after a Liberian man fell ill with Ebola and four days after he was placed in isolation at a hospital in Dallas, the apartment where he was staying with four other people had not been cleaned and the sheets and dirty towels he used while sick remained in the home, health officials acknowledged on Thursday afternoon.

Even as the authorities were reaching out to at least 80 people who may have had contact — either directly or indirectly — with the patient, Thomas E. Duncan, while he was contagious, they were scrambling to find medical workers to safely clean the apartment.

The four family members who are living there are among a handful who have been directed by the authorities to remain in isolation, following what officials said was a failure to comply with an order to stay home. Texas health officials hand-delivered orders to residents of the apartment requiring them not to leave their home and not to allow any visitors inside until their roughly three-week incubation periods have passed.
The orders – known as communicable disease control orders – are permitted under the state’s health code. Violations could result in either criminal prosecution or civil court proceedings.

But even as the orders were being issued, there were concerns about the conditions in the home where they were being ordered to stay.

The woman who was hosting Mr. Duncan told CNN that she had been with him the first time he sought treatment at the hospital and that she had twice told workers there he had been in Liberia. Still they sent him back with only some antibiotics to the apartment, where the woman was staying with one of her children and two nephews.

Over the next two days, Mr. Duncan began sweating profusely and had diarrhea. His sweaty sheets were still on the bed on Thursday morning, the woman said. She put the towels he used in a bag but said she did not know what to do with them.

The woman, whom CNN did not identify by name, said she had no symptoms of the disease.

The Texas health commissioner, Dr. David Lakey, told reporters during an afternoon news conference that health workers should have moved more swiftly to clean the apartment but that they had had trouble finding an outside medical team to do the work. They encountered “a little bit of hesitancy,” he said.

“We are arranging for that apartment to be cleaned,” he said. “The house conditions need to be improved.”


The authorities would not go into detail about how or where the people they are reaching out to might have come into contact with Mr. Duncan, but many were there simply because they had contact with people who had had contact with him.

A spokeswoman for the Dallas County health and human services department, Erikka Neroes, said the initial list of 12 to 18 people thought to have direct contact with Mr. Duncan had been expanded to people who had either direct or secondary contact.

“None are symptomatic,” Ms. Neroes said.

“It’s a constant process of interviews and locating as many contacts as are out there,” she said. “We expect daily that there could be more people added.” Others could fall off the list as time passes and they show no symptoms. “It’s constantly evolving,” she said.

Even as health officials scrambled to find and monitor those people, a group that includes five school-age children, they sought to ease concerns among Dallas residents.

“We have tried-and-true protocols to protect the public and stop the spread of this disease,” Dr. Lakey said. “This order gives us the ability to monitor the situation in the most meticulous way.”

The five children who came in contact with Mr. Duncan were being kept home from school, and local officials tried to reassure parents at the four different schools they attended that the facilities were thoroughly cleaned and that children are safe. There were reports that some parents were keeping their children home.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/us/dallas-ebola-case-thomas-duncan-contacts.html?_r=0

 

[the watcher]

I watched the briefing. When asked why they were being restricted by court order, Jenkins said that they were not compliant and he could not ensure he could get their temps checked. The way he said it immediately made me think they were trying to flee. I'm certain that apartment complex has had runners.

Thanks Mambear. IMO their scrambling to rein this in. That's why the expedited NG and fed gov peron at the ex CDC employees house. Jees, shiver went down my back thinking of potential of this...

 

[night driver]

The only real screening they can do is FLIR (infra-red) cameras at the incoming gates.

This might see someone with elevated body temperature...if they are at that stage of infection.

Not true, sir.

During the SARS issues people in airports got their temps taken before boarding. Used tympanic thermometers as they aren't QUITE as invasive.
Now with the skin scan version they will be able to take virtually everyone's temp in the airport.

 

[the watcher]

Sorry Op, went a little off topic on you're thread.

 

[Tristan]

On fox news right now doctor is saying CDC is lying about threat of ebola to U.S.
He said airports are NOT screening.

Which Doctor, did you catch the name/speciality?

 

[poppy]

The screening isn't being done here. They are relying in the people in Africa to screen the people for symptoms before they are allowed to board the plane.

Supposedly, you are not infectious until you start running a fever. Wouldn't it make more sense to take people's temperature before they got OFF the plane.

 

[hunybee]

I watched the briefing. When asked why they were being restricted by court order, Jenkins said that they were not compliant and he could not ensure he could get their temps checked. The way he said it immediately made me think they were trying to flee. I'm certain that apartment complex has had runners.

yes, they have. when this first started, one of the ladies there was interviewed by a reporter, and she said it was too dangerous to stay and she left with her kids.

 

[kittyluvr]

Comment from DaddyO in the comments section of this article includes a Dallas police comms alert stating that two more Ebola victims have been diagnosed in the Dallas area (besides Thos Duncan):
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-02/doctor-boards-atlanta-flight-hazmat-suit-protest-lying-cdc

If this alert is legit, and it looks to be so, then your colleague's conclusion appears to be substantiated.

Comment text from zerohedge:

Here is a sitrep I received from an emergency communications network I get reports from.

DaddyO

To: AmRRON Corps

FR: JJS

20141002 1509 Zulu

SITREP: Ebola

SITREP Received: 20141002 1507 Z

Rcvd From: AmRRON Corps Operator (Intelligence Effort)

AmCON Level: No Change (Level 4)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SITREP W-06 041C
THIS IS NO DRILL

/1/ EFF TIME 20141001 1651Z EXPIRES 20150105 0700Z
/1/ UPDATE A 20141001 1828Z
/1/ UPDATE B 20141001 1917Z
/1/ UPDATE C 20141002 1421Z
/2/ DALLAS POLICEMAN (NON-PUBLIC INFO), EFF AREA: NORTH AMERICA
/2/ ALERTS USA
/2/ ALERTS USA
/2/ TREX, COLORADO
/3/ YEL
/4/ GRN
/5/ GRN
/6/ GRN
/7/ YEL
/8/ GRN

REMARKS:

AT LEAST TWO MORE EBOLA CASES IN DALLAS AREA HOSPITALS. LOCAL AND FEDERAL AUTHORITIES EXPECTED TO MAKE A PUBLIC STATEMENT, BUT PERHAPS NOT FOR SEVERAL DAYS.

UPDATE A
DALLAS INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT OFFICIALS ARE MONITORING FIVE CHILDREN FROM FOUR SCHOOLS WHO HAD CONTACT WITH EBOLA PATIENT. NAME OF SCHOOLS WITHHELD.

UPDATE B
SCHOOLS INVOLVED ARE TASBY MIDDLE SCHOOL, HOTCHKISS ELEMENTARY, DAN D. ROGERS ELEMENTARY AND CONRAD HIGH SCHOOL.

UPDATE C
NUMBER OF PATIENTS IN DALLAS AREA BEING MONITORED FOR EBOLA NOW BETWEEN 80 AND 100 INDIVIDUALS WITH TOTAL OF FIVE IN QUARANTINE.

EOM SITREP W-06 041C

 

[bw]

If they can't find her, they can't forcibly recruit her...

Yes they can... as a medical person this was one of my fears, being forced.

The first clause is the operative clause here. If they can find her, they can force her. If they CAN'T find her, they can't force her. Medical people can be runners, too.

 

[Skettie]

Agreed!

 

[night driver]

FOr ref:

http://www.amrron.com/amrron-corps-member-page/


http://www.amrron.com/

The American Redoubt Radio Operator Network

 

[NC Susan]

I'm really curious why the military, aka NG, wouldn't send an NG to force civilian to do this. Especially one with a specific skillset such as this. I mean, the NG has been used for every facet of civil disturbance imaginable. I would also suspect the NG wasn't the only agency in attendance there.

many many many years ago, (mid 1980s) we had snow/ice/rain/snow storm........ (we almost NEVER have any of the above)........ and Governor Hunt NC, called out the National Guard to go house to house to pick up nurses for the regional civilian hospitals. All any doctor or nurse or hospital staff worker had to do was call and ask for transportation. It took about 8 days for the inches of ice under the snow to melt and return us to a normal city again.

 

[ShadowMan]

You can bet we're not getting even a tenth of the straight facts from TPTB!

And something folks here had better seriously consider is that the more THEY keep saying it's NOT AIRBORNE leads me to believe that in fact it either IS or IS BECOMING airborne.

The "Black Death" began first as infection only transmitted by an insect (flea) bite and then later mutated into an AIRBORNE TRANSMISSIBLE infection. Which then....took off like a rocket and the end result was between one third to one half of the European population was killed off. Also consider that the fastest mode of transportation in the 14th century was by horse or sail.

On a final note: When the government starts to STRESS that we shouldn't worry....START TO WORRY!!

 

[the watcher]

Man 410 people online right now. This ebola thing has the attention of many.
I want to mention, if you're not 100% on a post content, say so. They arrested a kid in Dallas today for posting an untrue article about ebola...

 

[Kris Gandillon]

Man 410 people online right now. This ebola thing has the attention of many. content,
I want to mention, if you're not 100% on a post, say so. They arrested a kid in Dallas today for posting an untrue article about ebola...

502 online...but who's counting....

 

[vessie]

The screening isn't being done here. They are relying in the people in Africa to screen the people for symptoms before they are allowed to board the plane.

The workers at the African airports are using thermometer guns pointed at the flyers foreheads.

I'm not sure how accurate the temp is with that method unless your over 100+ or my boat engine. I mean really now... V

 

[Tristan]

Supposedly, you are not infectious until you start running a fever. Wouldn't it make more sense to take people's temperature before they got OFF the plane.

Probably best to take their temperature at each boarding and destination. Some flights take hours; plenty of time for symptoms to manifest, or tylenol to wear off...

 

[the watcher]

The most I have ever seen. I know there is alot of reading on here right now, but pick what you think you might need and go from there. The closer this is to each person, the more important it is to take precautions.

 

[LightEcho]

I need to correct myself, he vomited on the sidewalk in front of his apt, not a store as I read earlier. Here is a picture News 8 captured.

Does this look like ANYONE is taking this seriously?!?!?

HD Chopper 8 caught crews cleaning the sidewalk outside the Ivy Apartments where the #Ebola patient stayed.

https://twitter.com/wfaachannel8/status/517739906211528704

Several Tweet decks state, NO ONE is being screened at airports, no matter WHERE they arrive from. Plane laid over at Dulles, before going on to Chicago per numerous tweets.

This freaks me out. The reaction of the hospital where the guy went freaks me out. The slow drip release of information freaks me out. The lack of concern about contaminated residue on the planes freaks me out.

I visit research facilities fairly frequently. The bio-safety cares exercised in those facilities lacks certain disciplines depending on where you go, but what we are seeing from what is supposed to be the best bio-hazard minds is atrocious. The level of pathogens ignored like this is unconscionable!

 

[the watcher]

That was my exact thought. A level 4 pathogen, being treated like the common cold. This WILL end badly.

High pressure sprayer + Live ebola viri = disaster

 

[NC Susan]

Sorry Op, went a little off topic on you're thread.

lets go back off topic again because if its not Ebola or Norovirus, or Gillian Bares Syndrome, it may be polio headed to a house near you

http://www.globalresearch.ca/pharma...d-live-polio-virus-in-the-environment/5405801

Belgium – As reported to ECDC by Belgian authorities, on 2 September 2014, following a human error, 45 litres of concentrated live polio virus solution were released into the environment by the pharmaceutical company, GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), in Rixensart city, Belgium. The liquid was conducted directly to a water-treatment plant (Rosieres) and released after treatment in river Lasne affluent of river Dyle which is affluent of the Escaut/Scheldt river. Belgium’s High Council of Public Health conducted a risk assessment that concluded that the risk of infection for the population exposed to the contaminated water is extremely low due to the high level of dilution and the high vaccination coverage (95%) in Belgium.
ECDC’s assessment is that the accidental release in the environment of large amounts of live polio virus represents a risk to public health if susceptible populations, such as areas with low polio vaccine coverage, are exposed to contaminated waters or mud. Particularly since the Lasne and Dyle rivers are joining the Escaut/Scheldt river which flows in the southwestern part of the Netherlands where various orthodox protestant communities present a lower polio vaccination coverage, before reaching the North Sea.

 

[vessie]

This freaks me out. The reaction of the hospital where the guy went freaks me out. The slow drip release of information freaks me out. The lack of concern about contaminated residue on the planes freaks me out.

I visit research facilities fairly frequently. The bio-safety cares exercised in those facilities lacks certain disciplines depending on where you go, but what we are seeing from what is supposed to be the best bio-hazard minds is atrocious. The level of pathogens ignored like this is unconscionable!

I just saw that pic on the news up here in the Seattle area just an hour or two ago! What the H*LL!!??! They're power washing the bio-hazard material from the sidewalks down at the apartment complex wearing That!!!

Oh and check out the chica just about to walk 'blissfully unaware of her peril' into the stuff they deem so hazardous that it needs to be power washed! Geeez!

Where in the world is the county health dept. people??!!?? V

 

[Witness]

Imagine this:

A young man who is supposed to be in quarantine is located one block away from his residence.
He is ordered by the police to go back to his apartment. He ignores the command,
maybe he starts to run. Do the police tackle him? Do people in moon suits chase him? Or, is he shot?

 

[Millwright]

Imagine this:

A young man who is supposed to be in quarantine is located one block away from his residence.
He is ordered by the police to go back to his apartment. He ignores the command,
maybe he starts to run. Do the police tackle him? Do people in moon suits chase him? Or, is he shot?

Lets take it one step further.

You are an outspoken, conservative, Christian, gun owning member of a well known internet forum.

The goons show up at your door in the middle of the night saying, "We have video & credit card receipts of you at XYZ Store 3 days ago. There was an ebola carrier there at that time, we are going to have to take you and your family to a quarantine facility...NOW".

I know, its kinda far-fetched............or is it?

 

[LightEcho]

Imagine this:

A young man who is supposed to be in quarantine is located one block away from his residence.
He is ordered by the police to go back to his apartment. He ignores the command,
maybe he starts to run. Do the police tackle him? Do people in moon suits chase him? Or, is he shot?

They have specially bred and trained mutant dogs for taking down the quarantine-breakers...

Lets take it one step further.

You are an outspoken, conservative, Christian, gun owning member of a well known internet forum.

The goons show up at your door in the middle of the night saying, "We have video & credit card receipts of you at XYZ Store 3 days ago. There was an ebola carrier there at that time, we are going to have to take you and your family to a quarantine facility...NOW".

I know, its kinda far-fetched............or is it?

It would be a good excuse. To start ventilating visitors.

 

[the watcher]

Frankly I think this woman needs to seriously consider losing her cell phones and going on a quiet trip way out in the country. I doubt if she would be allowed to leave the country, but as shown, they have a hard time finding people in the woods.

 

[momof23goats]

well we do know it spreads fast. they have gone into villages and everyone there was dead. also there for probably it airborne.

 

[Parakeet]

Supposedly, you are not infectious until you start running a fever. Wouldn't it make more sense to take people's temperature before they got OFF the plane.

The beginning stages of Ebola symptoms indicate a slight fever. Since an individual's normal body temp. can, actually, be one degree or more above or below the 98.6 degree avg., I can't see how temperature checks would be a very accurate way of determining infection.

 

[Nowski]

Ebola most likely would not exist in this country,
if we had a federal government that gave a damn
about the native people in this country.

There should have been travel restrictions from all of West Africa.
Western Europe has travel restrictions, but the ole USA
refuses to put up travel restrictions, as it may offend
somebody.

We are so screwed.

Regards to all,
Nowski

 

[night driver]

Lets take it one step further.

You are an outspoken, conservative, Christian, gun owning member of a well known internet forum.

The goons show up at your door in the middle of the night saying, "We have video & credit card receipts of you at XYZ Store 3 days ago. There was an ebola carrier there at that time, we are going to have to take you and your family to a quarantine facility...NOW".

I know, its kinda far-fetched............or is it?

On past form, he gets tackled and returned to his home, and they station a cop there 24/7 to enforce the Quarantine.

Actually they won't take you away, they'll just hang a Quarantine sign on the door and a cop on the front sidewalk.

Or at least that's how it was done in the teens and thirties.
The cop WAS authorized deadly force to enforce the Quarantine, in some cases.

 

[vessie]

Imagine this:

A young man who is supposed to be in quarantine is located one block away from his residence.
He is ordered by the police to go back to his apartment. He ignores the command,
maybe he starts to run. Do the police tackle him? Do people in moon suits chase him? Or, is he shot?

Boomarang or Bolero and then get a really really big plastic bag and nab him. V

 

[Millwright]

On past form, he gets tackled and returned to his home, and they station a cop there 24/7 to enforce the Quarantine.

Actually they won't take you away, they'll just hang a Quarantine sign on the door and a cop on the front sidewalk.

Or at least that's how it was done in the teens and thirties.
The cop WAS authorized deadly force to enforce the Quarantine, in some cases.

That's assuming they are actually trying to enforce a quarantine, not use it as an excuse to further a political agenda.

 

[Squib]

The only real screening they can do is FLIR (infra-red) cameras at the incoming gates.

This might see someone with elevated body temperature...if they are at that stage of infection.

And what if they're taking an OTC pain reliever and fever reducer like Tylenol? Also, don't pregnant women sometimes have an elevated temp? Unless they screen and quarantine all passengers from ALL flights from Africa, how will they really contain this as they've promised?

Also, how long before other countries will put the US on a no fly list?

 

[Squib]

On past form, he gets tackled and returned to his home, and they station a cop there 24/7 to enforce the Quarantine.

Actually they won't take you away, they'll just hang a Quarantine sign on the door and a cop on the front sidewalk.

Or at least that's how it was done in the teens and thirties.
The cop WAS authorized deadly force to enforce the Quarantine, in some cases.

But then we'd have another Ferguson - cop shoots unarmed black in metro area?

But this time I doubt Jess and Al would show up!

 

[Intestinal Fortitude]

- and when Illegal Aliens get it? - a Quarantine will be imposed on Illegal Aliens???
Laws and the LAW have NO authority over them.
They do as they please.
They go where they please, when they please with USA gov assistance.
No border matters to them.
America and Americans do not matter to them.

Illegal Aliens will LAUGH at any Quarantine that is attempted to be applied to them.

They will be runners
They will be vectors.

Already Enterovirus D68 is causing problems.
and just who brought that into our country?

 

[Kris Gandillon]

The beginning stages of Ebola symptoms indicate a slight fever. Since an individual's normal body temp. can, actually, be one degree or more above or below the 98.6 degree avg., I can't see how temperature checks would be a very accurate way of determining infection.

Depending on the fever check for screening has some obvious holes in it but it is the only option they have short of a 21 day quarantine at either or both ends of the flight or stopping international travel from those locations...which so far they are unwilling to do either one of those options. So checking their fever and hoping for the best is all we got at this point.

 

[Countrymouse]

I need to correct myself, he vomited on the sidewalk in front of his apt, not a store as I read earlier. Here is a picture News 8 captured.

Does this look like ANYONE is taking this seriously?!?!?

HD Chopper 8 caught crews cleaning the sidewalk outside the Ivy Apartments where the #Ebola patient stayed.

https://twitter.com/wfaachannel8/status/517739906211528704

Several Tweet decks state, NO ONE is being screened at airports, no matter WHERE they arrive from. Plane laid over at Dulles, before going on to Chicago per numerous tweets.

Dear God in Heaven........

 

[ElevenO]

Funny that you mention wildfire, a project name used in the book and film Andromeda Strain by Michael crichton.

It was also used in season one of the AMC tv show "The Walking Dead" where a CDC doctor referred to the zombie apocalypse as "wildfire".