LEGAL Donald Trump Unable to Secure Bond in New York's $464 Million Civil Fraud Case

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
It will also cause the closing of millions of other businesses who do not wish to suffer as Trump. The state will soon have no tax base to cover expenses. I read somewhere that he employed about 20,000 people in NYC - let's say they make an avg of $30,000 - that's a lot of people out of work - again reducing the tax base.

Last I knew, that's already happening. Hochul was on tenterhooks trying to convince businesses that this was totally personal against Trump.
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member
the problem is trumps properties have debt and more than likely limited partners. Cannot exactly flush the banks position.
I posted this in another thread but guess it belongs here. What is the precedent for a judgement of this size?

there are many legal inconsistencies with trump. I am sure there is no legal precedent for giving someone a 454 million bond if they want to stay free while case in ny is appealed. For a supposed sexual assault from decades ago with no witness and was not reported to the police at the time. This is not exactly a bond - it is the money he owes her…but still. As I understand it you must post the award while he appeals. What is the precedent for an award like this? There is no proof this lady suffered or had her life ruined. I am shocked New York is getting away with this. I bet if you do some digging on comparable cases the award was prob 99% lower. Or less. Seems things have gone way off the rails
The $454 million bond doesn’t have anything to do with the lawsuit you referenced.

This one is regarding the so called mortgage fraud
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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GoFundMe will terminate that fundraiser instantly, as well as any others which might try to collect money for him. Always remember that the treatment he’s getting is a systemic attack by all the testicles of the DS, as well as by the billionaire-run corporations. And don’t forget that the alleged “republicans” are following the DS’ orders, and WILL NOT RALLY TO HIS AID. NOT EVER.
 

tnphil

Don't screw with an engineer
GoFundMe will terminate that fundraiser instantly, as well as any others which might try to collect money for him. Always remember that the treatment he’s getting is a systemic attack by all the testicles of the DS, as well as by the billionaire-run corporations. And don’t forget that the alleged “republicans” are following the DS’ orders, and WILL NOT RALLY TO HIS AID. NOT EVER.
For what it's worth, the GFM has been going since Feb 16. GFM has come out and said that they wouldn't stop it, as it doesn't violate their TOS.
That doesn't mean they won't change their TOS though. But they would be forced to return over 24K donations and "tips".
 

Fenwick Babbitt

Veteran Member
It is nearing 1.4 million dollars as of now. GFM took their tip out Up front. Need to get the word out. Tell at least one other person today and ask them to donate and tell another.
I PROMISE YOU they will not give that money to Trump in any form or fashion, they'll let it build up, make the donors feel good about themselves and then when he needs it the most, they'll refund it back and leave Trump hanging in the wind.

People need to do some research, GFM is a left-wing, shithole company, the info is not hard to find. Ask the patriots in Canada what they think about GFM.

I do not know for sure but it would seem the best way to get money directly to Trump would be through Donald J. Trump For President 2024
 

Rabbit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I PROMISE YOU they will not give that money to Trump in any form or fashion, they'll let it build up, make the donors feel good about themselves and then when he needs it the most, they'll refund it back and leave Trump hanging in the wind.

People need to do some research, GFM is a left-wing, shithole company, the info is not hard to find. Ask the patriots in Canada what they think about GFM.

I do not know for sure but it would seem the best way to get money directly to Trump would be through Donald J. Trump For President 2024
Then they would get him for misusing campaign funds.
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The backlash that GFM would receive from the Trump supporters would cut them in half not to mention hardening of the Trump base. Throw $25 in and let’s watch what GFM does. This isn’t the Trudy Castro show that is playing. You have a bunch of pissed off Americans that have said enough.
 

Rabbit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
They want him totally humiliated, strip-searched, and thrown into general population. I pray God takes vengeance before this happens and rescues President Trump from the instruments of evil and that these puffed-up groid puppets fall into the hole they are trying to dig for President Trump.

When I pray I put God in remembrance of the great Hebrides revival that his family had a part in and ask that His mercy would rescue and avenge President Trump quickly.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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I PROMISE YOU they will not give that money to Trump in any form or fashion, they'll let it build up, make the donors feel good about themselves and then when he needs it the most, they'll refund it back and leave Trump hanging in the wind.

People need to do some research, GFM is a left-wing, shithole company, the info is not hard to find. Ask the patriots in Canada what they think about GFM.

I do not know for sure but it would seem the best way to get money directly to Trump would be through Donald J. Trump For President 2024
Agree on the GFM issue. However, donations to his campaign can't legally be used by him for "personal " expenses.. it would give them one more thing to charge him with.

Summerthyme
 

vector7

Dot Collector
NEW: Shark Tank's Kevin O'Leary slams AG Letitia James and Judge Arthur Engoron seizing Donald Trump's assets 'like in Venezuela or Cuba' during heated CNN shouting match.

"This may be great for the attorney general, but this is not good for America."

"Forget about Trump. You think this is good for business in New York? You think this is good for business in America?"

"To take a law that we use to protect people against buying refrigerators at an overpriced value decades ago, and apply it against an individual and then talk about seizing assets like he was in Venezuela or in Cuba?"

"This is a very, very, very bad look for a New York, and everybody around the world is watching this."

"There was no fraud here in the context of people actually losing money. Deutsche Bank, who made the loan, was made whole. And let's make a penalty of half a billion dollars against a crime, apparently, where no monies were lost."

"There are no half-billion dollar bonds. Never been done before. Never. This law has never been applied."

"Forget about Trump. Nothing to do with Trump. Everything to do with America and the New York brand."

"I love this state. My children live here. This is a horrible message to everybody around the world watching this. Absolutely horrific."
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(Totalitarian Communist) New York Governor Tells Businesses “They Have Nothing to Fear” "If they OBEY (US)..." After Democrat State Leaders Fleece Donald Trump of $355 Million​

by Jim Hoft Feb. 18, 2024 11:00 am1349 Comments

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New York Governor Kathy Hochul attempted to reassure business owners in New York that they have nothing to fear after the state’s Attorney General fleeced $355 million from President Trump for running a business in the state.
 

TXKajun

Veteran Member
Let me see if I can put my thoughts and concerns into words......

If not Trump, then who? He's rolled over/through the preliminary campaigns by a landslide. Take him out of the race and who will replace him?
There's still almost a year before the elections. That gives the Dems plenty of time to engage in further legalfare that will tie up Trump and exhaust his funds and energy in fighting them and severely limit his time to adequately campaign.
If/when the Dems get Trump to the point where he can't continue fighting on so many fronts, does that make FJB a shoe-in?
Will FJB actually remain coherent/cognizant enough to campaign and serve a full 4 year term if elected? Who will he choose as a running mate/VP and when will TPTB decide it's time to replace him with his VP?
No matter who gets elected, will they be able to stop the downward flushing toilet spiral of the USA? Will they actually want to?
If Trump does make it to the election, what I've seen from both him and FJB amounts to a grade school schoolyard conflict consisting of name calling, posturing, and threats but nothing even semi-specific about policies, plans, etc if either is elected.

Just a few things that make me go hmmmmm.
 

tnphil

Don't screw with an engineer
I can't believe how anyone can see this as not being lawfare, pure and simple. There is no victim. The banks are happy-they loaned Trump money, he repaid with interest. The banks didn't take this to court. The State of NY made tax money off of the interest repaid on those loans. The deals were a win for all involved. Guaranteed that other business people might fudge their numbers a bit to get financing, or at least use the most optimistic figures, which is most likely what Trump did.

There should be many puckered assholes among those doing big business in NY. Sure, "just Trump" today, because they hate him and don't wanna see him as President. But, tomorrow? They will need MORE MONEY to fund their commie principles, and now the successful bigwigs are all fair game. I hope they realize that and start pulling all their money out of that shithole city. No offense intended to TBers living there, but the Big Apple has rotted.
 

Hermantribe

Veteran Member
He has no control. The judge put a federal judge over everything. She gets to decide what can be sold or if it can be sold and he gets to pay her 2.9 million on top of that. They have tied his hands knowing full well he can’t get that bond.
AND they know commercial real estate is depressed right now, and even if he could sell it, or use it as collateral, it would be at prices much lower than historical values. If he sells low, the feds can say, “see he‘s lying about his worth”. Rock and a hard place. Why aren’t his wealthy friends/family helping?
 

Hermantribe

Veteran Member
This man is not going to back down. If he's banned from doing business there, why would he want properties, anyway? He can't sell them by next week. He can't even complete bankruptcy. He would walk away and let them take it just to make a statement.

Let's say they take his NY properties, that's a business loss and a tax deduction at the state and federal levels. Then what will the state do with it? It will cost taxpayers dearly for the state to own and operate properties until they can sell it.

It will also cause the closing of millions of other businesses who do not wish to suffer as Trump. The state will soon have no tax base to cover expenses. I read somewhere that he employed about 20,000 people in NYC - let's say they make an avg of $30,000 - that's a lot of people out of work - again reducing the tax base.

Until the good people of NYC stand up and make serious noise to protect what they have - from fire fighters to Trump, this will continue. In my opinion, this is up to the citizens of NYC. If they don't make a stand it's only going to get worse for them. Can you say, "John Galt."
He will never give up on NYC. He’s a boy from Queens, and this is what his family does. Values go up and down. If he wasn’t dealing with this garbage, he would be buying low and building his portfolio.
 

Vegas321

Live free and survive
Yeah. I'd wait on donating to any "fund" until I heard from Trump himself.

Heck - maybe he thinks running a campaign from behind bars is a viable option. It sure wouldn't change my mind against voting for him.
Don't give money to this Go Fund ME. It's a scam! Only give to what Trump said, from his mouth.
 

ssbn642blue

Veteran Member
Let me see if I can put my thoughts and concerns into words......

If not Trump, then who? He's rolled over/through the preliminary campaigns by a landslide. Take him out of the race and who will replace him?
There's still almost a year before the elections. That gives the Dems plenty of time to engage in further legalfare that will tie up Trump and exhaust his funds and energy in fighting them and severely limit his time to adequately campaign.
If/when the Dems get Trump to the point where he can't continue fighting on so many fronts, does that make FJB a shoe-in?
Will FJB actually remain coherent/cognizant enough to campaign and serve a full 4 year term if elected? Who will he choose as a running mate/VP and when will TPTB decide it's time to replace him with his VP?
No matter who gets elected, will they be able to stop the downward flushing toilet spiral of the USA? Will they actually want to?
If Trump does make it to the election, what I've seen from both him and FJB amounts to a grade school schoolyard conflict consisting of name calling, posturing, and threats but nothing even semi-specific about policies, plans, etc if either is elected.

Just a few things that make me go hmmmmm.
We all know what each of them believes, and there policies. Nobody at this point is switching sides. Been that way for four years. FJB
 

et2

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Trumps baaad …. Biden gooood

Optics for political reasons, and destruction of Trump anyway legally possible.

FJB promised it
 

jward

passin' thru
There should be many puckered assholes among those doing big business in NY. Sure, "just Trump" today, because they hate him and don't wanna see him as President. But, tomorrow?
But the useful idiots everywhere, throughout the ages, have had that supercilious belief that THEY are special, and This time will be different, and that they will end up in the winners circle, along with those corrupt creatures they supported.

..i bet a few are so dang ignorant they are still believing that as they're walked to the pock marked wall, or the back 40 to dig their own graves.
 
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