POL Damn! Everybody is turning on Obama!
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I am certainly not a lover of pelosi...but Obama is all we have between the devil and the deep blue sea. Trashing a Leader of the country is not a good place to be or thing to do. And I am guilty as sin concerning Bush II, he just seemed to be the worst possible person for the needs of the country. Give me 20 years, I may change my mind.
But for now, this is the last chance 'saloon' and the last call for alchohol has went out...either we pray strongly for him and his administration or there is no government at all. Despite my misgivings, in my town, businesses open (maybe not making much money), the traffic lights still work, the police if needed, will appear, sooner or later, and the garbage is still picked up...but there was a minor price increase recently.
We could lose all of this in a heart beat. So lets bet on Obama and pray for him rather than criticising him. Give him six months...looks like the world at large will not give him that and VP Bidan (?) may be right and the challange is now...
Other wise...you complainers can kiss my big broad ass...
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
I see it this way: A WHOLE BUNCH of us tried to tell people he was a BAD choice, and there were two general responses.
1. "I WANT what he says he'll do, socialism and all."
2. "I don't believe he really wants what he says he'll do, and he's not Bushitler."
Given he's whirling like a dervish to do EXACTLY what he said he'd do, there are a lot of folks behind door number 2 feeling pretty alarmed right about now. I think I'll keep complaining.
And you keep your ass in your red diaper. I don't want it.
He is just an immature jerk ~ and Give him 6 months for what? To turn the country into the USSA?
A few days in and look what's happening already. Based on this, God help us SIX months from now....
Flippper
Time Traveler
Good points Kozanne, I noticed today 0 is trying to use the same scare tactics his big bruddah bush used to force this theft down our throats. If it's such a bloody dire thing, why are they postponing the use of the stolen funds, as you said.
Obama played his hand the first 10 days he was in office. He's proven in even that short a time he's a Islamic Marxist and does not have us or our nation's best interests at heart. The world at large won't give him 6 months because they've seen his sort before. What exactly is the line it would take for him to cross before you would recognize and admit he's one of the NWO traitors, and playing for our enemies?
I voted. I have the right to complain when a deceptive, lying traitor is posing as POTUS. I take extreme offense to that, and if you don't like that you can pull your panties back up and over your head-at least you'll have a legitimate reason for blindly following such a blatant puppet for the globalists.
Uh...you DID get that he's got most of the Klinton Klan comprising a good portion of his cabinet right? And that cabinet is comprised of 22% of the nation's Trilateralists to boot? You may as well add another percentage point, since his Secretary of State is married to one. He's working WITH the Klintons for the same damn goal. Kissinger thinks he'd be a great NWO ruler. Hillary Schmillary, they are all globalists.
If you missed it, I suggest you read my post on the chain that is strangling us via globalists who've worked for over a century to get to where we are today, it's a brief history lesson on who's behind this meltdown. http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=321383 It connects the Bush's, Clintons, Kennedys, Kissinger, Gore, the whole damn pack of them, it's footnoted at the link if you want to check for accuracy.
None of this is by accident folks. They all work against us, because they play for the other team.
Maybe...maybe its the best we can do...although I don't recall the USSR doing all that well in the end...it went bankrupt after it's Afhganistan adventure and we seem set to prove we can do the same thing. And the present Russia is too tied into the global morasse to move independently and likely even China will suffer along with everyone else. Japan, if I am reading correctly is absolutely in the doldrums, & has been for close to two decades and not likely to see any positive action the rest of this century.
I don't have answers...if I did I wouldn't be corosponding here. But somewhere we need to look for the positive instead of always the negative...or else, by default, that is what we will end up with. If we need a revolution...it should have come at a minimum ten years ago...better yet 30 years ago. But it didn't happen and a revolution now would accomplish what? I don't think there is any agreement of even where to go... muchless how to get there.
I am just as frustrated as anyone on this board...flaying my arms about...and shouting into the vacancy of my room. But for positive action...I only see small measures, pressure on congress critters, letters to the editor, prayer (if we believe it works for ourselves and many come to this board asking for that...then we must believe it will work in government too
and whatever we can do locally to make things better. That may not sound like much, but it seems the best we can do and we ought to do it and not just complain we don't live in a perfect world. Time for action, as in revolution has probably long past us. Most of us are too old to even consider it other than intellectually...what are we supposed to do...fire up our one or two kids...to go 'kill-em-all?'
why
why would he expect that Republicans would sign onto something that gives 4.6 billion to ACORN, and other such pork spending that does NOTHING to stimulate the economy and everything to pad his liberal left wing agendas!? And then have the nerve to blame the pending collapse that won't be helped by any such package on the Republicans who are refusing to continue the crime against the American people, and their children and their grandchildren!? It's like saying, you either vote to cut your head off or your head will be cut off. It isn't only Republicans that are refusing to sign on to this either...
why would he expect that Republicans would sign onto something that gives 4.6 billion to ACORN, and other such pork spending that does NOTHING to stimulate the economy and everything to pad his liberal left wing agendas!? And then have the nerve to blame the pending collapse that won't be helped by any such package on the Republicans who are refusing to continue the crime against the American people, and their children and their grandchildren!? It's like saying, you either vote to cut your head off or your head will be cut off. It isn't only Republicans that are refusing to sign on to this either...
BigBadBossyDog
Membership Revoked
OK, gotcha. You admit you bashed W and that was OK, but now that sane people bash O, it's zip it!
Yep, that's exactly what I'm seeing in my local public, too. The Bush haters ranted continually, but now if anyone dares say anything bad about O, we're racist haters.
Sorry. You can't have it both ways.
Having taught leadership, my view is that Obama has a philosophy of leadership that is known as "modified consensus." He wants to be all-inclusive, invite a wide range of views, and then formulate a policy that is in essence based on the "cream" that has risen to the top. In a fairly stable organizational environment, this can be effective and allows all players to feel included and significant to the final policies. However...
the danger here is that - if you're waiting for a consensus on :who should make the coffee, how strong, and how much: - you will wait forever. And it is a disastrous approach in times of great stress, crisis and emergent disintegration. Right now we need someone who can cut through the b***sh**, make a decision and force action by applying the requisite leverage. As Obama gathers and reflects, the void is being filled by Pelosi and Reid. They have seized the reins of leadership, and are doing pretty much as they please in writing the legislation - all of which goes to their party favorite agendas rather than the intense needs of the day. Of course the Repubs are reacting - it's all been politicized while Obama consults instead of commands.
Modified consensus is a great leadership philosophy but highly impractical and ineffective in the current situation. This is the difference between a seasoned leader/executive and an academic who has read books and gone to workshops on leadership.
I do think Hillary would have been much more effective, regardless of her negatives. Obama has no 'banked' experience to give him the instinctive confidence in his own judgment in how to perform the toughest leadership job in the world at one of the toughest of times in history.
I've gotten the feeling since I first listened to Obama that this is EXACTLY the type of so-called 'leader' that he is. I guess you can get away with trying to get others to make your choices and call it 'consensus building,' but America needs a strong leader ESPECIALLY now. We need someone who will surround himself with the wisest and the brightest, not necessarily worn-out insiders whose only genius is tax form loopholes, but men and women of exceptional Constitutional clarity and whose greatest desire is to serve the American people. We need a leader who won't kowtow to the Republicans OR the Democrats, who will STICK to his no-pork pledge, who will work hard to develop a plan that has a long-term future for our country in mind - not a short-term exit strategy for the Wall Street CEOs OR a grandiose vision of going down in the history books as the next FDR. We need a leader who will uphold freedom and not tyranny but will also serve his own people FIRST and FOREMOST.
Obama is none of these things and no amount of community consensus building will make him able to do these things.
There's no way anyone can spend $800 to $900 billion quickly without waste and boondoggles. It comes with the Keynesian territory. This is an emergency; the normal rules do not apply.
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." - William Pitt
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"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." - William Pitt
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CountryboyinGA
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TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
Snipped because I misread what you meant. My deepest apologies!
You're right, BTW. There are many people (both black and non-black, mainly white) who voted for that reason alone.
kozanne
Inactive
+ 1,000
TPTB knew this so-called fiscal emergency was a long time coming. Ask Barney Frank, or Chris Dodd, or anyone else on the long list of those who knew we were headed for trouble and either outright denied it or ridiculed those blowing the whistle. Look at that independent auditor who tried to warn the SEC about Madoff as early as 2000!
The only reason it's close to being an emergency is because nobody did anything about it until it was too big to ignore.
CountryboyinGA
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No prob searcher.
CB
CB
I have feeling that this was the part of the "master plan" hashed out last summer...
kozanne
Inactive
Good catch.
Copter Doctor
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seven.sixtwo
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this prove he is unqualified and unable to handle the office he purchased.
No...he didn't. Bush simply done what he was told.
I didn't vote for him...but Obama is showing moxie, moving against the generals, pushing for programs that to him seems to be the right ones. He has made a stand of sorts against lobbyist...and, so far, doesn't seem to be under the heel of the NWO. That may change...but far enough he has done well...as seen through his eyes. Neither I nor most of the posters here on this forum have the detailed knowledge to understand 1% of the economic shannigans that may be afoot. But I do give Obama, the credit for standing up for what he believes and doing so in a couragous way.
huh????, what the guy 'believes in' is pure unadulterated socialism, as apparently do you!!! his pork sandiwch of a trillion dollar bill will decimate the economy
Early sniping simply displays lack of patience, lack of insight and just plain biggotery. But we are used to that, having been here through the Bush and Clinton years...I have seen it all. Bush II was arrogent and pushy from the beginning...and tried that tactic on the world...only to find that Iraq was pretty much our workout and the Brits contributed a little...no one else did. But that was greatly admired on this board.
as if Iraq has anything to do with anything, but if you want to talk aboput arrogance, it's what happens when you demand a trillion dollars for a bill that you have no idea of its contents!!!!
Now we are paying for the experience of 'trying to run the world,' and we ain't got much left in the bank, if anything at all. Obama may be playing soltare with a deck of 51...but at least he is trying.
trying???? the children are now in charge!!!!
Troke...take a break!
you need to step away from the altar of ObamaMaybe...maybe its the best we can do...although I don't recall the USSR doing all that well in the end...it went bankrupt after it's Afhganistan adventure and we seem set to prove we can do the same thing. And the present Russia is too tied into the global morasse to move independently and likely even China will suffer along with everyone else. Japan, if I am reading correctly is absolutely in the doldrums, & has been for close to two decades and not likely to see any positive action the rest of this century.
I don't have answers...if I did I wouldn't be corosponding here. But somewhere we need to look for the positive instead of always the negative...or else, by default, that is what we will end up with. If we need a revolution...it should have come at a minimum ten years ago...better yet 30 years ago. But it didn't happen and a revolution now would accomplish what? I don't think there is any agreement of even where to go... muchless how to get there.
I am just as frustrated as anyone on this board...flaying my arms about...and shouting into the vacancy of my room. But for positive action...I only see small measures, pressure on congress critters, letters to the editor, prayer (if we believe it works for ourselves and many come to this board asking for that...then we must believe it will work in government too
That may not sound like much, but it seems the best we can do and we ought to do it and not just complain we don't live in a perfect world. Time for action, as in revolution has probably long past us. Most of us are too old to even consider it other than intellectually...what are we supposed to do...fire up our one or two kids...to go 'kill-em-all?'
You know what your problem is? You can't see past your tunnel-vision that is the Federal Government. For you, everything begins and ends with what centralized planning does.
It never even occurs to you that maybe, just maybe, the Federal Government should step away, do less, and interfere less with trying to manipulate the citizenry.
The housing bubble was a DIRECT result of decades of Federal Government manipulation that has now put us on the precipice of total economic collapse, and now you want more of the same, cubed???!!!!!!
florida panhandle
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Patience everyone. Fruit Loop will be along shortly to explain it all for us.
Patience everyone. Fruit Loop will be along shortly to explain it all for us.
Thanks for the warning.I think I'll go clean my oven this afternoon after all.
kozanne
Inactive
I'm thinkin that not that many were FOR HIM to begin with......
Except for dead people, G-Man. They liked him and voted for him a lot.....
Kendo
Senior Member
So let me get this straight; most of you are bitching because Obama can't get a stimulus plan passed?
Don't most of you believe the best thing to do is NOT to so a stimulus and let the free market work this out?
Sounds like you are getting exactly what you want. Cheer on the idiot in charge!
Don't most of you believe the best thing to do is NOT to so a stimulus and let the free market work this out?
Sounds like you are getting exactly what you want. Cheer on the idiot in charge!
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
Are you sure you're on the right thread?
maric
Short but deadly
I'm thinkin that not that many were FOR HIM to begin with......
Only the one's who got paid to vote for him 72 times. He bought his votes, I'm convinced of it. Nobody in their right mind would have pulled the lever for that dimwit who can't even do math.
kozanne
Inactive
Huh?
Old Gray Mare
TB Fanatic
Yup!
This is lunacy at it's finest.
Gary North has done a good job in these two articles describing the pickle barrell the Fed has thrown itself into:
The Federal Reserve's Self-Imposed Dilemma
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north682.html
and
Ben Bernanke's Wild Ride (and Ours)
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north679.html
Also today:
Watching Our Rulers Destroy Our World, Robert Higgs
http://www.lewrockwell.com/higgs/higgs104.html
Now, in that second North article he makes mention to a video done by iTulip.com which shows graphically, what the Fed has been up to, and puts it in perspective. It is unbelievable!
The video is titled "Fed Reserve Fails to Reflate the US Banking System".
It's here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeb247Vc1eY
Now it is real fuzzy and a pain to pick up data as it goes by, so, before you go running off to YouTube, and for those who can't/won't I took the numbers off the vid and put them in a chart that "holds still".
Yes, I know this is a wide graph. it is the best way to really visualize the numbers, though. I apologize for making this thread one of thos "annoying wide ones" but it does show what we're in the midst of quite well.
What just befuddles me is that these Bozo's in DC are contemplting yet another $1 Trillion crime, doomed to fail, leaving us with even more debt. "Spending our way out of debt", yet again. Adding a $1 trillion wide bar at the end, would have made the graph 40% wider. Strangely parallels the manner in which DC expects us to bend over.
Ah come on the President hasn't even had time to get the chair seat warm in the oval office yet. He has to deal with the results of first bailouts curtsey of Bush and Congress. Congress is still trying to find out where that money went. He he like they will ever find it. So now the President has to deal with a partisan Congress who seem more interested in tenure and staying in office than the wants and needs of the voters that put them there, an economy in shambles, a recession quickly heading into a depression, two wars on the other side of the world and states going bankrupt. What if any resources does he have to draw on?
What leadership can he provide?
I'd like to see him:
Get an accounting of where the first bailouts went.
To stop this bail out nonsense. We can't spend our way out of this mess especially if other countries start viewing our money as not worth anything.
Encourage people to get out of debt. Put ussery laws back into effect on credit cards, loans etc.
Find some compromise between the laws needed to keep workers and the public safe and the ability to discard the ones stifling the ability of American companies to profitable provide goods and services needed by the US and be internationally competitive.
Help getting Americans working in American owned companies in America.
There should be work on balancing the nation budget. That is not going to be anywhere close to easy. Clinton did it but he didn't have the Bailouts, retiring baby boomers draining Social Security to deal with or a welfare state of this magnitude to deal with.
Be honest enough to say outright it is going to be rough, there is a drought in California and a freeze in Florida that will hurt fresh produce production and it is going to harder to produce, process and transport foods in any part of the country or world in a global recession/depression and encourage people to start planning and planting Victory Gardens as soon as possible.
Make sure the foodstuffs coming in from out of the country are safe for consumption.
Review and discard US laws and regulations that keep smaller, sustainable farmers from selling good healthy food to hungry people. I'm not saying get rid of the FDA just make the play field equal so they can compete with the mega farms that can afford the lobbyists. The Corporate farms may not be able to get the mega loans needed to run them so this problem may take care of itself. Wonder if milk will become a black market item if they don't take care of national food security now?
The infrastructure does need work but it will have to have an almost immediate return on investment. People now forced to take lower paying jobs will need ways of getting to work when they can no longer afford car payments, car maintenance, fuel and car insurance, that means mass transportation of some sort as a priority. It will have to remain so until either cities and company towns are physically restructured to accommodate a more pedestrian population or people can afford to drive again.
Its time to dig in, regroup and get down to basics and what is important as a country, as families and individuals.
Anyone else have some constructive suggestions?
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lectrickitty
Great Great Grandma!
Are they up to 30% now? Last I heard they were planning to spend only 3% and possibly up to 10%. I've been asking my reps why they say it's critical to pass a huge bill stuffed with pork if they are not going to spend the money? How can it be critical if they just want to save the money to spend in later years???
I hope the
are asking that question too.Enough to give 'ya a "Matthews Tingle":
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/13/chris-matthews-i-felt-t_n_86449.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/13/chris-matthews-i-felt-t_n_86449.html