POL Damn! Everybody is turning on Obama!

Troke

On TB every waking moment
http://www.newsweek.com/id/183204

Barack Obama began making his comeback on Wednesday, apparently aware that he has all but lost control of the agenda in Washington at a time when he simply can't afford to do so. Obama's biggest problem isn't Taxgate—which resulted in the Terrible Tuesday departure of his trusted friend, Tom Daschle, and the defanging of his Treasury secretary, Tim Geithner. Nor is the No. 1 problem that the president can't seem to win a single Republican vote for his stimulus package. That's a symptom, not a cause. The reason Obama is getting so few votes is that he is no longer setting the terms of the debate over how to save the economy. Instead the Republican Party—the one we thought lost the election—is doing that. And the confusion and delay this is causing could realize Obama's worst fears, turning "crisis into a catastrophe," as the president said Wednesday.

Obama's desire to begin a "post-partisan" era may have backfired. In his eagerness to accommodate Republicans and listen to their ideas over the past week, he has allowed the GOP to turn the haggling over the stimulus package into a decidedly stale, Republican-style debate over pork, waste and overspending. This makes very little economic sense when you are in a major recession that only gets worse day by day. Yes, there are still some very legitimate issues with a bill that's supposed to be "temporary" and "targeted"—among them, large increases in permanent entitlement spending, and a paucity of tax cuts requiring immediate spending. Even so, Obama has allowed Congress to grow embroiled in nitpicking over efficiency when the central debate should be about whether the package is big enough. When you are dealing with a stimulus of this size, there are going to be wasteful expenditures and boondoggles. There's no way anyone can spend $800 to $900 billion quickly without waste and boondoggles. It comes with the Keynesian territory. This is an emergency; the normal rules do not apply.

But the public isn't hearing about that all-important distinction right now. And by the time Obama signs a bill—if he can get one approved—many Americans may have concluded that the GOP is right and that the Democrats have embarked on another spending spree, as if this were just another wearying Washington debate. Judging from his flurry of TV appearances Tuesday night and his remarks on Wednesday, Obama himself seems to have realized belatedly that he needs to stop empathizing and take charge. After trying to put the Daschle imbroglio behind him by frankly acknowledging that he, the president, "screwed up," Obama reminded everyone of the urgency of the moment. "A failure to act, and act now, will turn crisis into a catastrophe and guarantee a longer recession, a less robust recovery, and a more uncertain future," he said at the White House. Obama also sought to regain the moral high ground by announcing he would limit senior executive pay at bailed-out Wall Street firms to $500,000. "We're taking the air out of the golden parachute," Obama said, adding that it was only "the beginning of a long term effort to examine the ways in which the means and manner of executive compensation contributed to a reckless culture…" That's a step in the right direction. But now Obama needs to remind the American people that unless the Republicans get on board, they will bear political responsibility for failing to act in the face of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.

Proof that that Team Obama and his party are losing the debate can be found in a new poll out Wednesday. The Rasmussen Reports survey found that, even though Obama still has a very high approval rating, only 37 percent of Americans now favor the stimulus legislation, compared to 45 percent two weeks ago. The results were similar to a recent Gallup survey that found just 38 percent of voters now support the recovery plan. Mitch McConnell, the GOP Senate minority leader, hinted Wednesday that Obama has lost control of his own Congress. "The president has tried to set some priorities. Unfortunately, Democrats just keep throwing more money on top of an already-bloated bill," McConnell said on the floor.

The decisive issue here is leadership. The lack of it is what is plaguing the Obama administration. Every war needs a successful general, and this administration doesn't have one yet. Geithner is still wounded by his soul-scourging confirmation vote (he was the first tax controversy of course, barely escaping on a 60-34 vote; had his vote come after the Daschle news, it's likely that Geithner would be the one leaving town today). On Wednesday the taciturn new Treasury secretary delivered all-too-brief remarks at a meeting with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, saying he was working to "help lay the foundation for long-term recovery, [develop] a comprehensive plan to help get credit flowing again, and address the housing crisis." Sounds great, but Geithner is apparently going to wait until next week to announce a lot of this, and that seems a long way off. (Monday is President's Day, which became Obama's informal deadline for passage of the stimulus package after he backed off his original hopes of having something to sign inauguration week.)

In the interim, no one else has dominated the newscasts. National Economic Council chief Larry Summers, by every account a brilliant economist and policy-maker, has mainly worked behind the scenes. Paul Volcker finally spoke out on Wednesday, but mainly to provide a post-mortem on last fall's crash. And it's still not clear what the new body he heads, the Economic Recovery Advisory Board, even does. And White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel appears shell-shocked by Taxgate and other defeats. An administration that two weeks ago set out to change the world, having claimed the first Democratic majority victory in a presidential race since Jimmy Carter, now looks like it's engaged in a Pickett's Charge—without the benefit of being led by Pickett. Meanwhile the Senate Dems took off part of Wednesday for a "retreat."

This is all too leisurely. Speed is of the essence now. No one understands this better than Geithner, whose formative experience as a young Treasury official in Tokyo came in watching Japanese authorities dither and muddle about for a decade after their own giant bubble of an economy collapsed in 1989. "Monetary policy was very slow to respond," Geithner told The Wall Street Journal on Wednesday. "Fiscal policy was very tentative and then did a lot of zigzagging." He's right. Like Geithner, I was working in Tokyo at the time (as a journalist) and watched every one of those zigs and zags. The answer then, as now, was bold leadership. The Japanese didn't supply it, and they still haven't fully recovered. What's the point of historical lessons if you don't learn from them?

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"...the first Democratic majority victory in a presidential race since Jimmy Carter, now looks like it's engaged in a Pickett's Charge—without the benefit of being led by Pickett..."

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Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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The decisive issue here is leadership. The lack of it is what is plaguing the Obama administration. Every war needs a successful general, and this administration doesn't have one yet.


I said it before the election and I'll say it again: Obama DOES NOT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE NECESSARY TO BE PRESIDENT. He's a less-than-one-term Senator, and a creature of academe. That's just not going to cut it in the times in which we find ourselves....
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
I had detected early on in his campaign that he did not like to make decisions. I have no rational basis for this, but I felt it. And I kind of wonder if we are not seeing proof of that now.
 

Lone Eagle Woman

Veteran Member
Now it looks like the next four years we going to have one of the Weakest
Presidents without a Backbone ever EVER in this Country's History.

And one thing you can say for Bush, at least He Had a Backbone!
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Troke... it was REAL obvious early on that the guy not only doesn't like making decisions, it seems to be based in great part on the fact that he does NOT want people to know what he thinks, supports or believes.

That's one damned weird trait for someone who wants to lead a country this large!

I'm not sure if even Obama knows what he believes, which is scary... if you don't have strong beliefs, you can be all too easily influenced in some pretty nasty ways by people who DO have strong beliefs and values.

It's going to be a LONG four years... if we survive them.

Summerthyme
 

Rex Jackson

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I fear there is little more going on behind the curtain. I think Obama is working his plan while others are working theirs.

Also, could it not be possible Obama was setup to take a fall? Possibly. It is also possible that Obama knew he was being setup and didn't care, because he 'does' have his own thing going on.

Unfortunately, none of this is good for the people. The people that this countyr belongs to. The people that are quickly running out of patience.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Obama is a talking head and an empty suit. Take away the teleprompter and he's as inept as Bush was. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
 

timbo

Deceased
The author makes note that it is the Republicans that are making policy and not the 0.

Well true..........in DC that is.

I think many people are in a process to show disfavor of 0's fiasco.

Are they phoning/writing/emailing in? Good chance. If nothing else it gives the pubs the impetus to be more aggressive.

I wonder if 0 will have the same fear of polls as Clintoon had? If so, he won't have the strength to pull up his underwear within a month.

How long has he been in office now? Two, three years? Seems like it.
 

Sully

Veteran Member
The decisive issue here is leadership. The lack of it is what is plaguing the Obama administration. Every war needs a successful general, and this administration doesn't have one yet.


I said it before the election and I'll say it again: Obama DOES NOT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE NECESSARY TO BE PRESIDENT. He's a less-than-one-term Senator, and a creature of academe. That's just not going to cut it in the times in which we find ourselves....


You are so right, Dennis, he has absolutely NO expreience...and it sure shows just after a couple of weeks of being President. We need a tough, consistant Pres. right now and what we have is a wimpy ###head that takes all his ques from 'Pelosi and friends' who wants this country to be under their thumbs.

We have had the upper hand with our enemy nations because of our strenghth, but now we don't have a strong president and they will walk all over us. The enemies picked the Pres. and now they've got us right where they want us.

Sully
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
He doesn't have to make decisions.
"I think that his task will be to develop an overall strategy for America in this period, when really a "New World Order" can be created. It's a great opportunity. It isn't such a crisis."
Kissinger has him lined up to be the new world leader. He'll be propped up like a drunken King.

If the media turns on him TPTB are behind it and it's part of a bigger plan. I remember the games they played with President Clinton during his terms, it's just to sway the sheeple into the direction they want them to lean.
 

Sully

Veteran Member
Obama is a talking head and an empty suit. Take away the teleprompter and he's as inept as Bush was.

Bush definetly wasn't an eloquent speaker like Obama. He actually used lanquage that most Americans could understand when he wasn't using telepromper but Obama doesn't even know what he's talking about without a teleprompter.

Sully
 

kozanne

Inactive
I'll ask the question again: If this is sooo urgent, why is less than 30% of the funding slated to be spent this year? Why won't we see the 'benefits' of this crap sandwich until sometime in 2010 if we must act today to avoid a catastrophe?

No, I'm not sailing away on the river of denial, but I seriously question the timing. Are we passing crap sandwich today because of midterms in 2010, is that the real reason?
 

kozanne

Inactive
I'm in the 'let it run its natural course' camp myself. I know, easy to say in the comfort of your own living room.

But I lived thru the Carter recession. With a houseful of kids. Including a young married couple we took in with an infant boy. I was the only one working. It was very hard, we lost just about everything we owned, but it can be done and things will turn around.

But if we pass crap sandwich, we lose bigtime, IMO.
 

AzProtector

Veteran Member
I'm in the 'let it run its natural course' camp myself. I know, easy to say in the comfort of your own living room.

But I lived thru the Carter recession. With a houseful of kids. Including a young married couple we took in with an infant boy. I was the only one working. It was very hard, we lost just about everything we owned, but it can be done and things will turn around.

But if we pass crap sandwich, we lose bigtime, IMO.

I agree...if we let it run it's course...it'll be painful, there is no doubt...but it will be less painful, and shorter than if the idiots in Washingtons try to fix it.
 

MtnGal

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I fear there is little more going on behind the curtain. I think Obama is working his plan while others are working theirs.

Also, could it not be possible Obama was setup to take a fall? Possibly. It is also possible that Obama knew he was being setup and didn't care, because he 'does' have his own thing going on.

Unfortunately, none of this is good for the people. The people that this countyr belongs to. The people that are quickly running out of patience.


I suggested this months ago. Whatever the fall is, it will advance an agenda that is even more devious and decremental to the world, not just the US.
 

kozanne

Inactive
I agree...if we let it run it's course...it'll be painful, there is no doubt...but it will be less painful, and shorter than if the idiots in Washingtons try to fix it.

Someone said or I read somewhere if the attack on Pearl Harbor had not happened, FDR would have done something very similar to what we are facing today, and the Great Depression would have lasted a heckuva lot longer than it did.....
 

almost ready

Inactive
Dang!

"The Presidency is no place for training wheels," or whatever it was Biden said.

It's just plain painful to watch. I try to avoid it, but business requires some knowledge of current events.

owwwwwwww!:kk1: Maybe that's why there's such a dreadful plague of the stomache flu going around. :kk1:
 

almost ready

Inactive
Not so.

Just remember - as bad as O is, Hitlery would have been worse....MUCH worse.

Hillary would have represented a fairly contiguous and constant group of partisans who know the ropes. Obama is less clued-in than WOodrow WIlson, and we all know how that ended.

I'd like to add an observation. Obama hasn't yet realized the difference between a candidate running off at the mouth and a president making proclamations and signing things. One runs down the window soon to be forgotten. The second smashes the window and lets in the cold winter, with sudden and severe responses from all over the world.

He'll catch on.
 

Shacknasty Shagrat

Has No Life - Lives on TB
How 'bout this:

President Obama's economic recovery package will actually hurt the economy more in the long run than if he were to do nothing, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/04/cbo-obama-stimulus-harmful-over-long-haul/

As far as I know, neither the inept Mr. Obama nor anyone from his crooked administration of tax cheats has responded to the CBO analysis. .
When the rhetoric and hysteria is cut away, there is maybe a 3% tax cut and trillion dollar, 97% pork. barrel, much of which would be spent two or more years from now.
The Democrats have all the votes they need to pass this BS. Sobbing that they need Republican votes is a phony excuse.
SS
 

denfoote

Inactive
The Abomination of Desolation (read the Prophet Daniel)

To late the sheeple realize that the hope and change they are getting is that they hope to keep their change!! :sheep:
 

kozanne

Inactive
Hillary would have represented a fairly contiguous and constant group of partisans who know the ropes. Obama is less clued-in than WOodrow WIlson, and we all know how that ended.

I'd like to add an observation. Obama hasn't yet realized the difference between a candidate running off at the mouth and a president making proclamations and signing things. One runs down the window soon to be forgotten. The second smashes the window and lets in the cold winter, with sudden and severe responses from all over the world.

He'll catch on.

My sentiments as well re: Hillary. She is/was far more competent than a junior Senator from Chicago who voted present more than anything else. She had that going for her, competence and prior experience [more direct than we are led to believe, BTW].
 

snoozin

Veteran Member
Having taught leadership, my view is that Obama has a philosophy of leadership that is known as "modified consensus." He wants to be all-inclusive, invite a wide range of views, and then formulate a policy that is in essence based on the "cream" that has risen to the top. In a fairly stable organizational environment, this can be effective and allows all players to feel included and significant to the final policies. However...

the danger here is that - if you're waiting for a consensus on :who should make the coffee, how strong, and how much: - you will wait forever. And it is a disastrous approach in times of great stress, crisis and emergent disintegration. Right now we need someone who can cut through the b***sh**, make a decision and force action by applying the requisite leverage. As Obama gathers and reflects, the void is being filled by Pelosi and Reid. They have seized the reins of leadership, and are doing pretty much as they please in writing the legislation - all of which goes to their party favorite agendas rather than the intense needs of the day. Of course the Repubs are reacting - it's all been politicized while Obama consults instead of commands.

Modified consensus is a great leadership philosophy but highly impractical and ineffective in the current situation. This is the difference between a seasoned leader/executive and an academic who has read books and gone to workshops on leadership.

I do think Hillary would have been much more effective, regardless of her negatives. Obama has no 'banked' experience to give him the instinctive confidence in his own judgment in how to perform the toughest leadership job in the world at one of the toughest of times in history.

:zzz:
 

fredkc

Retired Class Clown
I'm in the 'let it run its natural course' camp myself.

Yup!

This is lunacy at it's finest.

Gary North has done a good job in these two articles describing the pickle barrell the Fed has thrown itself into:
The Federal Reserve's Self-Imposed Dilemma
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north682.html
and
Ben Bernanke's Wild Ride (and Ours)
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north679.html
The Federal Reserve System faces a dilemma of its own creation: the doubling of the monetary base. The vast increase of the monetary base, once it is translated into an increase in M-1, will create mass inflation in the United States.

Also today:
Watching Our Rulers Destroy Our World, Robert Higgs
http://www.lewrockwell.com/higgs/higgs104.html
"Artificially easy credit, rapid monetary growth, subsidized homeownership for people who cannot make the mortgage payments, exclusive privileges granted to dishonest bond-rating agencies, explicit and implicit government guarantees of bank accounts, bonds, and other financial assets. [It's] these policies and others that tend in the same direction have created our present economic difficulties. To suppose, and to act on the supposition, that precisely these same kinds of policies will repair the day is supreme folly. To augment these mistakes by expending a trillion borrowed dollars in new government outlays for whatever suits the grasping members of a totally corrupt Congress only compounds the folly on a cosmic scale."


Now, in that second North article he makes mention to a video done by iTulip.com which shows graphically, what the Fed has been up to, and puts it in perspective. It is unbelievable!

The video is titled "Fed Reserve Fails to Reflate the US Banking System".
It's here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeb247Vc1eY

Now it is real fuzzy and a pain to pick up data as it goes by, so, before you go running off to YouTube, and for those who can't/won't I took the numbers off the vid and put them in a chart that "holds still".

Fed_banks1.jpg


Yes, I know this is a wide graph. it is the best way to really visualize the numbers, though. I apologize for making this thread one of thos "annoying wide ones" but it does show what we're in the midst of quite well.

What just befuddles me is that these Bozo's in DC are contemplting yet another $1 Trillion crime, doomed to fail, leaving us with even more debt. "Spending our way out of debt", yet again. Adding a $1 trillion wide bar at the end, would have made the graph 40% wider. Strangely parallels the manner in which DC expects us to bend over.
 

USDA

Veteran Member
And one thing you can say for Bush, at least He Had a Backbone!

No...he didn't. Bush simply done what he was told.

I didn't vote for him...but Obama is showing moxie, moving against the generals, pushing for programs that to him seems to be the right ones. He has made a stand of sorts against lobbyist...and, so far, doesn't seem to be under the heel of the NWO. That may change...but far enough he has done well...as seen through his eyes. Neither I nor most of the posters here on this forum have the detailed knowledge to understand 1% of the economic shannigans that may be afoot. But I do give Obama, the credit for standing up for what he believes and doing so in a couragous way.

Early sniping simply displays lack of patience, lack of insight and just plain biggotery. But we are used to that, having been here through the Bush and Clinton years...I have seen it all. Bush II was arrogent and pushy from the beginning...and tried that tactic on the world...only to find that Iraq was pretty much our workout and the Brits contributed a little...no one else did. But that was greatly admired on this board.

Now we are paying for the experience of 'trying to run the world,' and we ain't got much left in the bank, if anything at all. Obama may be playing soltare with a deck of 51...but at least he is trying.

Troke...take a break!

;)
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
I'm with Troke...........why should we give him a break?

Or Pelosi either?

No breaks. He wanted the job, he's GOT the job.

As long as he's doing things that imperil my freedom or endanger my life, I'm speaking up.

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USDA

Veteran Member
I'm with Troke...........why should we give him a break?
Or Pelosi either?

I am certainly not a lover of pelosi...but Obama is all we have between the devil and the deep blue sea. Trashing a Leader of the country is not a good place to be or thing to do. And I am guilty as sin concerning Bush II, he just seemed to be the worst possible person for the needs of the country. Give me 20 years, I may change my mind.

But for now, this is the last chance 'saloon' and the last call for alchohol has went out...either we pray strongly for him and his administration or there is no government at all. Despite my misgivings, in my town, businesses open (maybe not making much money), the traffic lights still work, the police if needed, will appear, sooner or later, and the garbage is still picked up...but there was a minor price increase recently.

We could lose all of this in a heart beat. So lets bet on Obama and pray for him rather than criticising him. Give him six months...looks like the world at large will not give him that and VP Bidan (?) may be right and the challange is now...

Other wise...you complainers can kiss my big broad ass...
 
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