I'm with Troke...........why should we give him a break?
Or Pelosi either?
I am certainly not a lover of pelosi...but Obama is all we have between the devil and the deep blue sea. Trashing a Leader of the country is not a good place to be or thing to do. And I am guilty as sin concerning Bush II, he just seemed to be the worst possible person for the needs of the country. Give me 20 years, I may change my mind.
But for now, this is the last chance 'saloon' and the last call for alchohol has went out...either we pray strongly for him and his administration or there is no government at all. Despite my misgivings, in my town, businesses open (maybe not making much money), the traffic lights still work, the police if needed, will appear, sooner or later, and the garbage is still picked up...but there was a minor price increase recently.
We could lose all of this in a heart beat. So lets bet on Obama and pray for him rather than criticising him. Give him six months...looks like the world at large will not give him that and VP Bidan (?) may be right and the challange is now...
Other wise...you complainers can kiss my big broad ass...
Obama is a talking head and an empty suit. Take away the teleprompter and he's as inept as Bush was.
Bush definetly wasn't an eloquent speaker like Obama. He actually used lanquage that most Americans could understand when he wasn't using telepromper but Obama doesn't even know what he's talking about without a teleprompter.
Sully
I wouldn't really call it "eloquent". He is constantly pausing and saying "uh...um...uhhhhh.." Sounds robotic almost, and definitely oftentimes unsure of what he is saying or going to say next.
I am certainly not a lover of pelosi...but Obama is all we have between the devil and the deep blue sea. Trashing a Leader of the country is not a good place to be or thing to do. And I am guilty as sin concerning Bush II, he just seemed to be the worst possible person for the needs of the country. Give me 20 years, I may change my mind.
But for now, this is the last chance 'saloon' and the last call for alchohol has went out...either we pray strongly for him and his administration or there is no government at all. Despite my misgivings, in my town, businesses open (maybe not making much money), the traffic lights still work, the police if needed, will appear, sooner or later, and the garbage is still picked up...but there was a minor price increase recently.
We could lose all of this in a heart beat. So lets bet on Obama and pray for him rather than criticising him. Give him six months...looks like the world at large will not give him that and VP Bidan (?) may be right and the challange is now...
Other wise...you complainers can kiss my big broad ass...
I'll ask the question again: If this is sooo urgent, why is less than 30% of the funding slated to be spent this year? Why won't we see the 'benefits' of this crap sandwich until sometime in 2010 if we must act today to avoid a catastrophe?
No, I'm not sailing away on the river of denial, but I seriously question the timing. Are we passing crap sandwich today because of midterms in 2010, is that the real reason?
I'm in the 'let it run its natural course' camp myself.
Obama played his hand the first 10 days he was in office. He's proven in even that short a time he's a Islamic Marxist and does not have us or our nation's best interests at heart. The world at large won't give him 6 months because they've seen his sort before. What exactly is the line it would take for him to cross before you would recognize and admit he's one of the NWO traitors, and playing for our enemies?We could lose all of this in a heart beat. So lets bet on Obama and pray for him rather than criticising him. Give him six months...looks like the world at large will not give him that and VP Bidan (?) may be right and the challange is now...
Other wise...you complainers can kiss my big broad ass...
Hillary would have represented a fairly contiguous and constant group of partisans who know the ropes. Obama is less clued-in than WOodrow WIlson, and we all know how that ended.
Give him 6 months for what? To turn the country into the USSA?
I am certainly not a lover of pelosi...but Obama is all we have between the devil and the deep blue sea. Trashing a Leader of the country is not a good place to be or thing to do. And I am guilty as sin concerning Bush II, he just seemed to be the worst possible person for the needs of the country. Give me 20 years, I may change my mind.
Other wise...you complainers can kiss my big broad ass...
Having taught leadership, my view is that Obama has a philosophy of leadership that is known as "modified consensus." He wants to be all-inclusive, invite a wide range of views, and then formulate a policy that is in essence based on the "cream" that has risen to the top. In a fairly stable organizational environment, this can be effective and allows all players to feel included and significant to the final policies. However...
the danger here is that - if you're waiting for a consensus on :who should make the coffee, how strong, and how much: - you will wait forever. And it is a disastrous approach in times of great stress, crisis and emergent disintegration. Right now we need someone who can cut through the b***sh**, make a decision and force action by applying the requisite leverage. As Obama gathers and reflects, the void is being filled by Pelosi and Reid. They have seized the reins of leadership, and are doing pretty much as they please in writing the legislation - all of which goes to their party favorite agendas rather than the intense needs of the day. Of course the Repubs are reacting - it's all been politicized while Obama consults instead of commands.
Modified consensus is a great leadership philosophy but highly impractical and ineffective in the current situation. This is the difference between a seasoned leader/executive and an academic who has read books and gone to workshops on leadership.
I do think Hillary would have been much more effective, regardless of her negatives. Obama has no 'banked' experience to give him the instinctive confidence in his own judgment in how to perform the toughest leadership job in the world at one of the toughest of times in history.
I see it this way: A WHOLE BUNCH of us tried to tell people he was a BAD choice, and there were two general responses.
1. "I WANT what he says he'll do, socialism and all."
2. "I don't believe he really wants what he says he'll do, and he's not Bushitler."
Given he's whirling like a dervish to do EXACTLY what he said he'd do, there are a lot of folks behind door number 2 feeling pretty alarmed right about now. I think I'll keep complaining.
And you keep your ass in your red diaper. I don't want it.
You forgot #3, which was a BIG one....
3. "He's black"
CB
There's no way anyone can spend $800 to $900 billion quickly without waste and boondoggles. It comes with the Keynesian territory. This is an emergency; the normal rules do not apply.
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." - William Pitt
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As Obama gathers and reflects, the void is being filled by Pelosi and Reid. They have seized the reins of leadership, and are doing pretty much as they please in writing the legislation - all of which goes to their party favorite agendas rather than the intense needs of the day.
OK, gotcha. You admit you bashed W and that was OK, but now that sane people bash O, it's zip it!
Yep, that's exactly what I'm seeing in my local public, too. The Bush haters ranted continually, but now if anyone dares say anything bad about O, we're racist haters.
Sorry. You can't have it both ways.
Presidents who vote "present" don't make decisions.
No...he didn't. Bush simply done what he was told.
I didn't vote for him...but Obama is showing moxie, moving against the generals, pushing for programs that to him seems to be the right ones. He has made a stand of sorts against lobbyist...and, so far, doesn't seem to be under the heel of the NWO. That may change...but far enough he has done well...as seen through his eyes. Neither I nor most of the posters here on this forum have the detailed knowledge to understand 1% of the economic shannigans that may be afoot. But I do give Obama, the credit for standing up for what he believes and doing so in a couragous way.
huh????, what the guy 'believes in' is pure unadulterated socialism, as apparently do you!!! his pork sandiwch of a trillion dollar bill will decimate the economy
Early sniping simply displays lack of patience, lack of insight and just plain biggotery. But we are used to that, having been here through the Bush and Clinton years...I have seen it all. Bush II was arrogent and pushy from the beginning...and tried that tactic on the world...only to find that Iraq was pretty much our workout and the Brits contributed a little...no one else did. But that was greatly admired on this board.
as if Iraq has anything to do with anything, but if you want to talk aboput arrogance, it's what happens when you demand a trillion dollars for a bill that you have no idea of its contents!!!!
Now we are paying for the experience of 'trying to run the world,' and we ain't got much left in the bank, if anything at all. Obama may be playing soltare with a deck of 51...but at least he is trying.
trying???? the children are now in charge!!!!
Troke...take a break!
Maybe...maybe its the best we can do...although I don't recall the USSR doing all that well in the end...it went bankrupt after it's Afhganistan adventure and we seem set to prove we can do the same thing. And the present Russia is too tied into the global morasse to move independently and likely even China will suffer along with everyone else. Japan, if I am reading correctly is absolutely in the doldrums, & has been for close to two decades and not likely to see any positive action the rest of this century.
I don't have answers...if I did I wouldn't be corosponding here. But somewhere we need to look for the positive instead of always the negative...or else, by default, that is what we will end up with. If we need a revolution...it should have come at a minimum ten years ago...better yet 30 years ago. But it didn't happen and a revolution now would accomplish what? I don't think there is any agreement of even where to go... muchless how to get there.
I am just as frustrated as anyone on this board...flaying my arms about...and shouting into the vacancy of my room. But for positive action...I only see small measures, pressure on congress critters, letters to the editor, prayer (if we believe it works for ourselves and many come to this board asking for that...then we must believe it will work in government too and whatever we can do locally to make things better.
That may not sound like much, but it seems the best we can do and we ought to do it and not just complain we don't live in a perfect world. Time for action, as in revolution has probably long past us. Most of us are too old to even consider it other than intellectually...what are we supposed to do...fire up our one or two kids...to go 'kill-em-all?'
The decisive issue here is leadership. The lack of it is what is plaguing the Obama administration. Every war needs a successful general, and this administration doesn't have one yet
Patience everyone. Fruit Loop will be along shortly to explain it all for us.
I'm thinkin that not that many were FOR HIM to begin with......
So let me get this straight; most of you are bitching because Obama can't get a stimulus plan passed?
Don't most of you believe the best thing to do is NOT to so a stimulus and let the free market work this out?
Sounds like you are getting exactly what you want. Cheer on the idiot in charge!
I'm thinkin that not that many were FOR HIM to begin with......
So let me get this straight; most of you are bitching because Obama can't get a stimulus plan passed?
Don't most of you believe the best thing to do is NOT to so a stimulus and let the free market work this out?
Sounds like you are getting exactly what you want. Cheer on the idiot in charge!
Yup!
This is lunacy at it's finest.
Gary North has done a good job in these two articles describing the pickle barrell the Fed has thrown itself into:
The Federal Reserve's Self-Imposed Dilemma
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north682.html
and
Ben Bernanke's Wild Ride (and Ours)
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north679.html
Also today:
Watching Our Rulers Destroy Our World, Robert Higgs
http://www.lewrockwell.com/higgs/higgs104.html
Now, in that second North article he makes mention to a video done by iTulip.com which shows graphically, what the Fed has been up to, and puts it in perspective. It is unbelievable!
The video is titled "Fed Reserve Fails to Reflate the US Banking System".
It's here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeb247Vc1eY
Now it is real fuzzy and a pain to pick up data as it goes by, so, before you go running off to YouTube, and for those who can't/won't I took the numbers off the vid and put them in a chart that "holds still".
Yes, I know this is a wide graph. it is the best way to really visualize the numbers, though. I apologize for making this thread one of thos "annoying wide ones" but it does show what we're in the midst of quite well.
What just befuddles me is that these Bozo's in DC are contemplting yet another $1 Trillion crime, doomed to fail, leaving us with even more debt. "Spending our way out of debt", yet again. Adding a $1 trillion wide bar at the end, would have made the graph 40% wider. Strangely parallels the manner in which DC expects us to bend over.
Are they up to 30% now? Last I heard they were planning to spend only 3% and possibly up to 10%. I've been asking my reps why they say it's critical to pass a huge bill stuffed with pork if they are not going to spend the money? How can it be critical if they just want to save the money to spend in later years???I'll ask the question again: If this is sooo urgent, why is less than 30% of the funding slated to be spent this year? Why won't we see the 'benefits' of this crap sandwich until sometime in 2010 if we must act today to avoid a catastrophe?