Cleveland is spending $20 mil in federal money on riot and security gear for the RNC Conv.

Housecarl

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It's shaping up to be one heck of a summer.....

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Cleveland is spending $20 million in federal money on riot and security gear for the Republican convention

Josh Rosenblat of Vox
2 Hours Ago
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As Cleveland prepares to host the Republican National Convention this summer, it's bidding on millions of dollars of security equipment and tactical gear for its police.

Cleveland and Philadelphia, which will host the convention, each received $50 million in federal money to cover the security costs associated with the conventions. Cleveland projects to spend $20 million of that on security equipment and supplies and $30 million on "personnel-related expenditures." Philadelphia has not yet announced how it will use the money.

In March, Cleveland opened its bids for various security supplies. And the sheer quantity of equipment is staggering.

Cleveland will buy thousands of sets of crowd control equipment

Based on public documents, Cleveland is asking for a wide range of things from hay for police horses to riot gear, both of which aren't out of the norm for a city hosting a political convention.

For example, Tampa spent about $13 million on security-related equipment and supplies for the 2012 Republican convention, according to a Department of Justice audit.

While there were protests in Tampa, they were relatively small. The city focused its spending more on improving the police department's infrastructure than on police gear. It spent the bulk of the money on surveillance cameras and communications equipment.

Cleveland, though, has taken a different approach.

The city estimates it will spend about 40 percent of its federal grant, or about $7 million more than Tampa, on equipment and supplies.

This includes plans to buy 2,000 sets of full-body riot suits for police. (The city currently employs 1,500 police and will look to add about 3,500 from units based in other places.)

Cleveland has also put out bids for, among other things, 24 sets of ballistic body armor, 300 patrol bikes, and more than 3.7 miles of interlocking steel barriers, all of which can be used to curtail protestors.

The Republican convention might have an especially contentious atmosphere

Groups protesting the Republican Party are expected to show up, much as they have at every RNC. However, this year's inflammatory campaign rhetoric and a potentially rare contested convention could make for bigger and more violent protests than in recent years.

Already during primaries this year, violent protests have broken out at campaign stops across the country, most notably at rallies for Republican frontrunner Donald Trump.

Trump's repeated allusions to violence during his speeches and controversial platform have spurred protests and physical confrontation between his supporters, his critics, and law enforcement.

Trump currently maintains a delegate lead but may come up short of the necessary 1,237 delegates to win the GOP nod outright. If that happens, it would lead to a rare contested or brokered convention.

In this scenario, most convention delegates would be free to vote for whomever they want, voting in successive rounds until one candidate earns an outright majority.

That could mean that even if Trump goes into July with a commanding delegate lead, he may not get the party's nomination in Cleveland.

And that startling discrepancy between who people voted for in primaries and what the Republican Party ends up doing could lead to some serious unrest.

"I think you'd have riots," Trump said on CNN in March about what would happen if he were denied the nomination despite a lead in delegates.

Fellow Republican candidate Ted Cruz has echoed Trump's sentiment about a brokered convention, telling CNN he thinks it "would be an absolute disaster. I think the people would quite rightly revolt."

Can Cleveland handle convention protests?

While Cleveland public safety officials say they're confident the city and police will keep the events secure, others aren't so sure.

For instance, the president of Cleveland's police union, Steve Loomis, told Cleveland.com that officers have begun crowd control training but do not have the riot gear they need to train properly. He also said he has concerns about whether the suits — which may take 90 days to prepare and send to Cleveland — will be ready in time. The convention is just 96 days away.

Training is essential because it "does a lot more than just tell people how to safely use the equipment. It teaches them when and how to responsibly bring that gear into tense situations," Vox's Amanda Taub wrote in 2014 about police use of military equipment.

While the riot suits are not officially classified as military gear, they will still be new to most of the cops wearing them.

In part because of that, many lack confidence in the city's ability to carry out the convention without controversy.

The Cleveland Police Department is currently under Justice Department oversight after a 2013 DOJ probe revealed numerous problems, including unnecessary and violent confrontations with citizens.

"They will be facing one of the most complex incidents that they will ever face," Jonathan Smith, a former Justice Department lawyer who supervised the investigation into Cleveland, told the Marshall Project in reference to the convention. "You would want a department that has systems that are in place where there is better accountability and better supervision."

"I'm really concerned all hell is going to break loose," James L. Hardiman, a vice president of the Cleveland NAACP, told the Los Angeles Times. "The big concern is injury to people, damage to property, indiscriminate arrest. The people who actually live here — what are we going to be left with at the end of the day?"

This story was originally posted on Vox.
 

WalknTrot

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Glad they are planning ahead. I remember the hippies rioting in Chicago and have a feeling that will look mild in comparison to Cleveland this summer.
 

Sacajawea

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"Look out Cleveland... storm is comin' through... and it's running right up on yoooouuuu" - The Band
 

Publius

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Just like they did in Florida the last election and the democrats hardly had any.
 
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night driver

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Major issue here in town is we apparently haven't been working QUITE fast enough. Apparently the protective gear takes a LONG time to build and we haven't been working within the "usual" timeframe.

Yes, gonna be an interesting summer here...
 

Housecarl

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Anyone who remembers the riots of the 1970's knows that this a huge ass friggin dot. Dear God help us all.

Yeah. Considering the "practice runs" the usual cast of characters have been running for any excuse and the degree of aggressiveness they've already demonstrated, I wouldn't be surprised if the National Guard isn't called out for both party conventions, never mind the very likely protests in "support" in the other major metro areas. Yeah this summer is very likely going to be a real FUBAR; and that's without the very likely piggy backing of IS adherents into the mix.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
The OP accurately points out that the Fed Grant is for 50 mil, we're only putting about 20 into gear/PPE/hand carried weapons...

The other 30 is going into larger equipment, training, Overtime and ((I'm guessing) contractors), which would be the biggeast set of expenses anyway.


Gotta remember that CLE had their "fair share" of race riots in the late 60's. Glennville, Hough, Collinwood to name a few...Heck Glennville had UNARMED NatGuardsmen deployed on night 2 (16's no ammo). THe morning before deployment on night 3, the ranks closed up and the officer class was apparently quietly and politely informed that if they wanted grunts in the streets after the previous night, they WERE going to be FULLY ARMED with a STANDARD LOADOUT and more on tap, or no EM's were moving.
There were Enlisted Men deployed Night 3 so apparently the message was effectively passed. 'Course, the NatGuard was sent to protect the firemen among other missions....

We gonna have SO much fun, though I'm pretty sure I'm far enough out into the hinterland suburbs that I won't get in any rooftop target practice, but, one never knows.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Yeah. Considering the "practice runs" the usual cast of characters have been running for any excuse and the degree of aggressiveness they've already demonstrated, I wouldn't be surprised if the National Guard isn't called out for both party conventions, never mind the very likely protests in "support" in the other major metro areas. Yeah this summer is very likely going to be a real FUBAR; and that's without the very likely piggy backing of IS adherents into the mix.

I SUSPECT that we will see Burke Lakefront Airport sprout a FireBase or FOB (depends on your war..LOL) with all the comforts of Spiecher or one of the other small to medium FOB's by Friday before the Convention (Figure 14th or 15th of July)...

It makes mil sense, Mayor Jackson has shown himself to be a reasonable man when push comes to shove, and besides, that whole 2+ week period is going to be classified as a NIMS Level 1 National Interest Event [(If it AIN'T then LOTS of heads need to roll, from DH(in)S. OEMA, CuyCtyEMA, etc)] BKL puts them right where they need to be with chopper access, power for the mess hall, and MWR tent, Net and phones as well as temp cell site, radio capabilities from Army MARS, and RACES/ARES, a robust APERS structure locally, etc etc etc...
AND they can open a field hospital for the injured (were it me, the RESPONDER injured would be handled in the confines of a secure field hospital/CASH where the docs and staph are familiar with battle woundings, which would be at LEAST as good as Metro or UH Level One facilities...DANG "Diversion" is gonna be a BIATCH those weeks...)
 

Wise Owl

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I SUSPECT that we will see Burke Lakefront Airport sprout a FireBase or FOB (depends on your war..LOL) with all the comforts of Spiecher or one of the other small to medium FOB's by Friday before the Convention (Figure 14th or 15th of July)...

It makes mil sense, Mayor Jackson has shown himself to be a reasonable man when push comes to shove, and besides, that whole 2+ week period is going to be classified as a NIMS Level 1 National Interest Event [(If it AIN'T then LOTS of heads need to roll, from DH(in)S. OEMA, CuyCtyEMA, etc)] BKL puts them right where they need to be with chopper access, power for the mess hall, and MWR tent, Net and phones as well as temp cell site, radio capabilities from Army MARS, and RACES/ARES, a robust APERS structure locally, etc etc etc...
AND they can open a field hospital for the injured (were it me, the RESPONDER injured would be handled in the confines of a secure field hospital/CASH where the docs and staph are familiar with battle woundings, which would be at LEAST as good as Metro or UH Level One facilities...DANG "Diversion" is gonna be a BIATCH those weeks...)

This is your great opportunity, ND. You can be our, on the scene reporter. What more can we ask for? You can test your skills out.
 

vestige

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From the OP:


"I'm really concerned all hell is going to break loose," James L. Hardiman, a vice president of the Cleveland NAACP, told the Los Angeles Times. "The big concern is injury to people, damage to property, indiscriminate arrest. The people who actually live here — what are we going to be left with at the end of the day?"


From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Cleveland

According to the 2010 census, Cleveland had a population of 396,815 and the racial and ethnic composition was as follows:[8]
Black or African American: 53.3%
• White: 37.3% (33.4% Non-Hispanic Whites)
• Asians: 1.8% (0.7% Chinese, 0.4% Indian, 0.2% Vietnamese, 0.2% Filipino)
• Native American: 0.3% ( a community of a few thousand Cuyahoga Indians live in the city's West side).[citation needed]
• Native Hawaiian and other Pacific Islanders: 0.01%
• Two or more races: 2.8%
• Some other race: 4.5%
• Hispanic and Latino Americans of any race: 10.0% (7.4% Puerto Rican, 1.3% Ecuadorian, 0.9% Mexican, 0.3% Dominican, 0.2%Guatemalan, 0.2% Salvadoran)

Any questions?

We'll see soon enough. However, I feel:

Once again, Colonel Nowski will be proven correct.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
I think I'd be better off in Belize, or Tashkent, or Kabul or...

Heck, Irbil as a "contract instructor" would be better; including the cuisine (now that the guys have me thinking about food from Lurker's thread) Though to be fair, the sea food in Belize would be great along with a guaranteed supply of good beer to go with it!....
 

pinkelsteinsmom

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The anti TRUMP supporters will be allowed to do as they please.

The $$millions for riot control is for THE TRUMP SUPPORTERS who will not be pleased when he is cheated out of the presidential run.
 

Wise Owl

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I think I'd be better off in Belize, or Tashkent, or Kabul or...

Aw common Chuck. You KNOW you want to be on the lines and a reporter for tb2k. Get your iPhone dusted off and practice shooting video with it. You can upload to uTube for us to watch and become famous......... :D
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Heck, Irbil as a "contract instructor" would be better; including the cuisine (now that the guys have me thinking about food from Lurker's thread) Though to be fair, the sea food in Belize would be great along with a guaranteed supply of good beer to go with it!....

I'd be more likely to cook than let others cook (BTDT in THAT kind of arena) Unfortunately, my medical skills are JUST a BIT outside/outdated [/Bob Uker voice]...

In Belize I'd be tryin to be involved in some courses in Caves Branch if RESQDOC is still teachen em...


NAh I think I'll be out here in the hinter-burbs watchin it get REAL....



Hums "Wild Thing" and quietly fades into the woodwork...
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
In general, given what has already been spent BY THE RNC (ignoring CLE expenditures) that sin't happening..

Not the LEAST reason is that a VERY large component of what the CPD is in process of ordering TECHNICALLY needed to be ordered before the First of 2016 to have in hand in time to train in it....and they are well behind THAT timeline...like say...3 months or so?

The infrastructure (plant, equipment, cabling, wiring, I-net upgrades, WIFI upgrades that are coming for DownTown (to handle the newsies as well as the delegates) human infrastructure, etc that is required in this ridiculous i-Net Age will make sure that doesn't happen.....

The avg outsider hasn't a lot of clues as to what happens or what gets USED that they can't see. It's like the folks who figure that the Pastor's job is a real easy one..Spend a few hours researching your Message and spend a few hours delivering it on Sunday and that all ya gotta do... them folks don't see the all nighters spent at hospital or home-going bedsides, the Pastoral Care meetings and interventions etc...MY pastor works an average of 50 hours a week, he just doesn't do it all at the Ministry House or in the Sanctuary. (whups, gotta get down off the soapbox, sorry for the digressive rant)
 

homecanner1

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Per a late night call in to Coast 2 Coast sounds like they are taking it very seriously with concerns about power supply disruptions to the convention floor to knock them off the air. Back ups for back ups, way offsite substations etc. Scary.

This is a dogstar rising humdinger. Not only RNC friction from Trumpsters enraged their man is getting shafted. ( I'm thinking Bikers for Trump type urban campers may show up, to form cordones to protect his committed delegates to/fro hotels) But you have locals and imports from Detroit, Toledo, Cincinatti, Pburg as part of BLM " no Trump, no way, no how": shut it down

Looks like the following Beligerents vs Patriots vs Assorted Disgruntled riff raff

pro Cruz
pro Trump
anti Trump, various union/latino folk
anti local Cops/BLM, looter opportunists
Ayers folk/freelance anarchists in general

I see a Battle of Five Armies brewing.

Very sobering and any ground reports you can offer in August will be invaluable N.D.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
AARGGHH!! Bikes for Trump has a serious "Altamont--Rolling Stones" vibe for me and we KNOW how THAT came out..


(OK I'm old, so if you DON'T know, play the "Smoke on the Water" piece, or google Stones at Altamont. It went DISASTROUSLY for both the Stones and the Hells Angels they used for security...
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
AARGGHH!! Bikes for Trump has a serious "Altamont--Rolling Stones" vibe for me and we KNOW how THAT came out..


(OK I'm old, so if you DON'T know, play the "Smoke on the Water" piece, or google Stones at Altamont. It went DISASTROUSLY for both the Stones and the Hells Angels they used for security...



Queen: We Will Rock You. That would be a good one for the supporters at the convention. That should clear the GOP minds of any wrong doings.
 
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