WAR {CIVIL} French Military Balls: A letter from 20 Generals and MANY Staff officers etc,to Macron.

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adding here the comments were all invigorating, one man lamented only one Navy admiral signed the letter and was outnumbered by so many gallant Army Brigade Generals.

a clarion call bell may have finally rung at long last.

Watching Notre Dame burn that day was truly agonizing, that precious pump organ.

The paybacks there will be a bloodbath...

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Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
This begs the question then of if the "or else" goes into effect, who will be the leader? Le Pen, some other politician or one of the signing general officers?
 

vestige

Deceased
adding here the comments were all invigorating, one man lamented only one Navy admiral signed the letter and was outnumbered by so many gallant Army Brigade Generals.

a clarion call bell may have finally rung at long last.

Watching Notre Dame burn that day was truly agonizing, that precious pump organ.

The paybacks there will be a bloodbath...

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Watching Notre Dame burn pissed me to no end also. I have been all over the cathedral.

Remember the pic of the raghead exiting after the fire was started and the media covering up?

Kill them all.

God WILL sort them out
 
Minnesota have you ever heard of Airbus? Maybe a little old fashion but I think they could deliver a bomb or anything else just about anywhere they wanted to the same as the US did in WWII.
Didn't say it would be easy. Just said the French have the equipment, know how and aircraft to get the job done if they so choose.

The C-17 Globemaster may not be a C-5 but it's also kind of impressive when it gets airborne. Saw one not to long ago.
It is not that the French/Europeans don't know how to make large airplanes (Airbus).

Rather, it is that Airbus doesn't have (?) any large airframes configured/designed to easily transport/haul military-types of equipments/ordinances, and/or have no airplane production lines/capabilities for such.

Cheaper and easier (plus standardized parts and repair training) to let NATO/U.S. foot that bill.


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Watching Notre Dame burn pissed me to no end also. I have been all over the cathedral.

Remember the pic of the raghead exiting after the fire was started and the media covering up?

Kill them all.

God WILL sort them out
Maybe it was a "raghead," or perhaps an agent provocateur dressed to look like a "raghead."

The old, "let's you and him fight" comes to mind . . .

In today's world, only the hairdresser would know for sure.


intothegoodnight
 

jward

passin' thru
Indeed it has, in the people- now perhaps the power base(s) join in, though iirc they are still at the only doing so out of expediency phase. :: shrug :: Someday, somewhere...

Jward its been building for years now. The Yellow Vest protests and fuel price protests have been coupled with the rise of French nationalism under the leadership of LePen. Probably sooner rather than later, something has to give.
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jward

passin' thru
Anger as ex-generals warn of 'deadly civil war' in France
Published
11 hours ago


French soldiers march during the annual Bastille Day military parade in Paris, 2019
image copyrightGetty Images
The French government has condemned an open letter signed by active soldiers that said the country was heading for "civil war" due to religious extremism.
About 1,000 servicemen and women, including some 20 retired generals, put their names to the letter.
It blamed "fanatic partisans" for creating divisions between communities, and said Islamists were taking over whole parts of the nation's territory.
Ministers have condemned the message published in a right-wing magazine.
The letter was first published on 21 April - the 60th anniversary of a failed coup d'état.
"The hour is grave, France is in peril," the signatories said.

Far-right leader Marine Le Pen, a candidate in next year's presidential election, has spoken out in support of the former generals.
But the minister in charge of the armed forces, Florence Parly, tweeted: "Two immutable principles guide the action of members of the military with regard to politics: neutrality and loyalty."
She earlier warned that any signatories still serving in the military would be punished for defying a law that requires them to remain politically neutral.

What does the letter say?
It warns French President Emmanuel Macron, his government, and MPs of "several deadly dangers" threatening France, including "Islamism and the hordes of the banlieue" - the impoverished immigrant suburbs that surround French cities.
The signatories go on to blame "a certain anti-racism" for splitting up communities, and seeking to create "racial war" by attacking statues and other aspects of French history.

media captionThousands joined protests for racial equality in Paris last year
They also accuse the government of seeking to use the police "as proxy agents and scapegoats" by brutally repressing the popular "gilets jaunes", or yellow vest protests of recent years.

"It is no longer the time to procrastinate, otherwise tomorrow civil war will put an end to this growing chaos and deaths - for which you will be responsible - with numbers in the thousands," the letter concludes.
In a country which pays for several thousand former generals on the retired and reserve lists, the support of just 20 of them to such explosive language does call for a sense of perspective, the BBC's Hugh Schofield in Paris says.
Nonetheless, that the letter was written at all is a sign of dangerous times, and the backing of Marine Le Pen means the themes will continue to resonate in the year of campaigning that lies ahead, our correspondent says.

What has the reaction been?
Members of the French military, whether actively serving or reservists, are forbidden from expressing public opinions on religion and politics, and Ms Parly has called for those who signed the letter to be punished.
"For who have violated the duty of reserve, sanctions are planned, and if there are active soldiers among the signatories, I asked the chief of staff of the armed forces to apply the rules... that is to say, sanctions," the minister told radio network France Info on Monday.
Ms Parly cited the case of a former general in the Foreign Legion who was expelled from the military for taking part in a protest against migrants in Calais.

Why is the timing significant?
Minister of Industry Agnès Pannier-Runacher told France Info she "unreservedly condemned" the generals "calling for an uprising... 60 years to the day after the generals' putsch against General de Gaulle".
The failed coup d'état involved generals seeking to prevent Algeria - then a French colony - from gaining independence.
But French nationalist politician Marine Le Pen welcomed the letter, calling on the generals to join her in "the battle of France".
Her response came on the same day as a fatal knife attack at a police station south-west of Paris, which is being treated as a possible terrorist attack.
line

Why Marine Le Pen backed the letter
Analysis box by Hugh Schofield, Paris correspondent

Many in the French media are expressing surprise that Marine Le Pen came out in support of the generals.
Cosying up to would-be putschists is what her father was supposed to specialise in. He was the one who was close to the anti-Gaullist hardliners of 60 years ago. He was the one who loved to flirt with illegality. Not Marine and her new-look National Rally.
So has she miscalculated? Some think so.
Marine Le Pen
image copyrightEPA
Coming out for a group of ex-generals - even of the armchair variety - who are so obviously overstepping the bounds and dabbling in politics - this makes it much easier for President Macron to paint her as a traditional French reactionary, heir to her father, Vichy and the rest.
Voters from the mainstream right, who might have been tempted by her apparent recent conversion to the EU and sound money, will perhaps be thinking twice.

But looked at another way, maybe Marine Le Pen felt she had no choice but to back the letter. After all, no-one thinks there is any serious chance of a military coup, so she didn't think she could be accused of encouraging insurrection.
And the analysis of France's travails was identical to her own. If - in her view - the analysis is also one shared by a silent majority of the French, then she could hardly disown it.
line

France has proposed a controversial bill to tackle what President Emmanuel Macron has described as "Islamist separatism".
However, some critics in both France and abroad have accused the government of targeting Islam.

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Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Anger as ex-generals warn of 'deadly civil war' in France
Published
11 hours ago


French soldiers march during the annual Bastille Day military parade in Paris, 2019
image copyrightGetty Images
The French government has condemned an open letter signed by active soldiers that said the country was heading for "civil war" due to religious extremism.
About 1,000 servicemen and women, including some 20 retired generals, put their names to the letter.
It blamed "fanatic partisans" for creating divisions between communities, and said Islamists were taking over whole parts of the nation's territory.
Ministers have condemned the message published in a right-wing magazine.
The letter was first published on 21 April - the 60th anniversary of a failed coup d'état.
"The hour is grave, France is in peril," the signatories said.

Far-right leader Marine Le Pen, a candidate in next year's presidential election, has spoken out in support of the former generals.
But the minister in charge of the armed forces, Florence Parly, tweeted: "Two immutable principles guide the action of members of the military with regard to politics: neutrality and loyalty."
She earlier warned that any signatories still serving in the military would be punished for defying a law that requires them to remain politically neutral.

What does the letter say?
It warns French President Emmanuel Macron, his government, and MPs of "several deadly dangers" threatening France, including "Islamism and the hordes of the banlieue" - the impoverished immigrant suburbs that surround French cities.
The signatories go on to blame "a certain anti-racism" for splitting up communities, and seeking to create "racial war" by attacking statues and other aspects of French history.

media captionThousands joined protests for racial equality in Paris last year
They also accuse the government of seeking to use the police "as proxy agents and scapegoats" by brutally repressing the popular "gilets jaunes", or yellow vest protests of recent years.

"It is no longer the time to procrastinate, otherwise tomorrow civil war will put an end to this growing chaos and deaths - for which you will be responsible - with numbers in the thousands," the letter concludes.
In a country which pays for several thousand former generals on the retired and reserve lists, the support of just 20 of them to such explosive language does call for a sense of perspective, the BBC's Hugh Schofield in Paris says.
Nonetheless, that the letter was written at all is a sign of dangerous times, and the backing of Marine Le Pen means the themes will continue to resonate in the year of campaigning that lies ahead, our correspondent says.

What has the reaction been?
Members of the French military, whether actively serving or reservists, are forbidden from expressing public opinions on religion and politics, and Ms Parly has called for those who signed the letter to be punished.
"For who have violated the duty of reserve, sanctions are planned, and if there are active soldiers among the signatories, I asked the chief of staff of the armed forces to apply the rules... that is to say, sanctions," the minister told radio network France Info on Monday.
Ms Parly cited the case of a former general in the Foreign Legion who was expelled from the military for taking part in a protest against migrants in Calais.

Why is the timing significant?
Minister of Industry Agnès Pannier-Runacher told France Info she "unreservedly condemned" the generals "calling for an uprising... 60 years to the day after the generals' putsch against General de Gaulle".
The failed coup d'état involved generals seeking to prevent Algeria - then a French colony - from gaining independence.
But French nationalist politician Marine Le Pen welcomed the letter, calling on the generals to join her in "the battle of France".
Her response came on the same day as a fatal knife attack at a police station south-west of Paris, which is being treated as a possible terrorist attack.
line

Why Marine Le Pen backed the letter
Analysis box by Hugh Schofield, Paris correspondent

Many in the French media are expressing surprise that Marine Le Pen came out in support of the generals.
Cosying up to would-be putschists is what her father was supposed to specialise in. He was the one who was close to the anti-Gaullist hardliners of 60 years ago. He was the one who loved to flirt with illegality. Not Marine and her new-look National Rally.
So has she miscalculated? Some think so.
Marine Le Pen
image copyrightEPA
Coming out for a group of ex-generals - even of the armchair variety - who are so obviously overstepping the bounds and dabbling in politics - this makes it much easier for President Macron to paint her as a traditional French reactionary, heir to her father, Vichy and the rest.
Voters from the mainstream right, who might have been tempted by her apparent recent conversion to the EU and sound money, will perhaps be thinking twice.

But looked at another way, maybe Marine Le Pen felt she had no choice but to back the letter. After all, no-one thinks there is any serious chance of a military coup, so she didn't think she could be accused of encouraging insurrection.
And the analysis of France's travails was identical to her own. If - in her view - the analysis is also one shared by a silent majority of the French, then she could hardly disown it.
line

France has proposed a controversial bill to tackle what President Emmanuel Macron has described as "Islamist separatism".
However, some critics in both France and abroad have accused the government of targeting Islam.

Posted for fair use

What has the political class worried is that those who signed that letter knew there would be consequences yet they still signed it.....
 

workhorse

Veteran Member
All I can think of is when “The Song “ gets sung in the pirates of the Caribbean movie and the soldiers don’t have a clue but know it’s not good. I think the French government is having that same thought.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
It is not that the French/Europeans don't know how to make large airplanes (Airbus).

Rather, it is that Airbus doesn't have (?) any large airframes configured/designed to easily transport/haul military-types of equipments/ordinances, and/or have no airplane production lines/capabilities for such.

Cheaper and easier (plus standardized parts and repair training) to let NATO/U.S. foot that bill.


intothegoodnight

Look up the Airbus A400M.....
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
All I can think of is when “The Song “ gets sung in the pirates of the Caribbean movie and the soldiers don’t have a clue but know it’s not good. I think the French government is having that same thought.

Look up an English translation of the French national anthem, La Marseillaise......
 
Look up the Airbus A400M.....
I stand corrected - thanks for the updated info - apparently, entered service in ~2015.


"The Airbus A400M Atlas is a European four-engine turboprop military transport aircraft. It was designed by Airbus Military (now Airbus Defence and Space) as a tactical airlifter with strategic capabilities to replace older transport aircraft, such as the Transall C-160 and the Lockheed C-130 Hercules."


Go Behind The Scenes
as Airbus produces the 100th A400M versatile airlifter


"Airbus' A400M is a success story more than 15 years in the making. Launched in 2003 to respond to the combined needs of multiple European nations, this next-generation airlifter entered service a decade later and has since demonstrated unmatched versatility on military and humanitarian missions around the globe."


intothegoodnight
 

DryCreek

Veteran Member
Looks like Macron better enlist the aid of some electronic voting machines to ensure his landslide victory over an obvious leader in the polls!

Allo, eeees Dome-in-yen eva Le bel to come to zee phone?
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Looks like Macron better enlist the aid of some electronic voting machines to ensure his landslide victory over an obvious leader in the polls!

Allo, eeees Dome-in-yen eva Le bel to come to zee phone?

Consider the "yellow vest" movement is still there in the shadows and were bringing out red stocking caps regularly (as well as a couple of reported instances of "guillotines"), that may not be enough.
 

jward

passin' thru
France draws up bill on surveillance of jihadist websites

Reuters


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French Prime Minister Jean Castex adjusts his glasses as he speaks during a news conference following the weekly cabinet meeting discussions over a bill for the prevention of acts of terrorism at the Elysee Palace in Paris, France, April 28, 2021. REUTERS/Gonzalo Fuentes/Pool

French military and residents attend a tribute to the police administrative worker, killed by a 36-year-old radicalised attacker last Friday, in front the city hall in Rambouillet near Paris, France, April 26, 2021. REUTERS/Gonzalo Fuentes/File Photo

French Prime Minister Jean Castex speaks during a news conference following the weekly cabinet meeting discussions over a bill for the prevention of acts of terrorism at the Elysee Palace in Paris, France, April 28, 2021. REUTERS/Gonzalo Fuentes/Pool

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French military and residents attend a tribute to the police administrative worker, killed by a 36-year-old radicalised attacker last Friday, in front the city hall in Rambouillet near Paris, France, April 26, 2021. REUTERS/Gonzalo Fuentes/File Photo

France plans to strengthen its counter-terrorism laws by permitting the use of algorithims to detect activity on jihadist and other extremist websites.

Draft legislation was submitted to President Emmanuel Macron and his government at a cabinet meeting on Wednesday, after a wave of Islamist and Islamist-inspired attacks on French soil in recent years, including last Friday.

"The last nine attacks on French soil were committed by individuals who were unknown to the security services, who were not on a watchlist and were not suspected of being radicalised," Interior Miniser Gerald Darmanin told France Inter radio.

"That should cause us to ask questions about the intelligence methods we're using," Darmanin added.


France enacted a counter-terrorism law in 2017 to replace a state of emergency declared two years earlier following the attack on Paris by Islamist suicide bombers and gunmen.

The 2017 law, which was subject to review after four years, allowed security agencies to use algorithims to monitor messaging apps, as well bolstering police surveillance measures such as 'home visits' to individuals suspected of terrorism links and the restricting the movement of people

The new bill would render those measures permanent and extend the use of algorithims to websites.

"Terrorists have changed the methods of communication. We continue to be blind, monitoring phone lines that nobody uses any more," Darmanin said.


The Tunisian national who killed a police employee in a Paris commuter town five days ago had watched religious videos glorifying acts of jihad just before carrying out his attack, the anti-terrorism prosecutor has said.

The bill would give security agencies more power to watch over and limit the movements of high-risk individuals after release from jail for two years rather than one.

Furthermore, it would give judges the authority to impose follow-up measures, including psychiatric care, on prisoners who served at least five years for terrorism-related offences in an effort to reduce repeat offences.

Posted for fair use
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
Update:


FRIDAY, APRIL 30, 2021
Begging for a coup

"France may be about to learn that using the military's standards against it is an effective way to convince the military to abandon its standards:

Eighteen French servicemen, who have been identified as signatories of a letter warning President Emmanuel Macron about a looming “civil war,” will come before a military court, the Armed Forces Chief of Staff said.
Each of the identified soldiers and officers would appear before a higher military council, the Armed Forces Chief of Staff, General Francois Lecointre, told Le Parisien. All of them would be subjected to “disciplinary sanctions,” with the harsher ones reserved for the most senior ranks, he added.

“I believe that the higher the responsibilities, the stronger the obligation of neutrality… is,” the general said. The chief of staff also said that those among the semi-retired generals who signed the controversial letter could potentially be forced to leave military service and go into full retirement.

“These generals will each appear before a higher military tribunal. Following this procedure, it will be the President of the Republic who will sign a decree on [their] retirement,” Lecointre said.
French defense minister threatens ‘sanctions’ against ex-generals behind open letter blasting Islamism and ‘suburban hordes’

Such a strong response was sparked by an open letter declaring the country is headed toward “civil war,” signed by several former high-ranking military personnel as well as “a hundred senior officers and more than a thousand soldiers.” The appeal published in the conservative ‘Valeurs Actuelles’ news magazine urged Macron to save the nation from Islamism and the “suburban hordes” of immigrants.
As always, the Promethean tactics are based upon subversion and lies. The military has a duty to defend the nation against invasion, which the enemies of the nation have subverted by redefining the nation as the state and redefining invasion as immigration.
But immigration is war. And prosecuting the messenger is never wise.
It appears the end of the Fifth Republic is approaching. It has already survived longer than three of its predecessors, and is unlikely to last as long as the Third Republic did."
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Update:


FRIDAY, APRIL 30, 2021
Begging for a coup

"France may be about to learn that using the military's standards against it is an effective way to convince the military to abandon its standards:









As always, the Promethean tactics are based upon subversion and lies. The military has a duty to defend the nation against invasion, which the enemies of the nation have subverted by redefining the nation as the state and redefining invasion as immigration.
But immigration is war. And prosecuting the messenger is never wise.
It appears the end of the Fifth Republic is approaching. It has already survived longer than three of its predecessors, and is unlikely to last as long as the Third Republic did."

And this doesn't just apply to France....
 

Cacheman

Ultra MAGA!
The citizens of France seem to agree...


Poll: Majority of French Agree With Military Generals That the Country is Heading Towards “Civil War”

Nearly half want the military to be sent into multicultural banlieues to restore order.

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Published
2 days ago
on
30 April, 2021
Paul Joseph Watson

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Fabio Poço / EyeEm via Getty Images




A new poll has found that a majority of French people support the sentiments expressed in a letter signed by active duty and retired members of the military warning that the country is heading towards a “civil war” caused by failed multiculturalism and attacks on French identity.

Around 1,000 servicemembers signed the letter, including 20 retired generals, warning President Emmanuel Macron of “several deadly dangers” threatening France, including “Islamism and the hordes of the banlieue,” a reference to the fractured suburbs around major cities with high crime and immigrant populations.

The signatories also blame the “anti-racism” movement for seeking to create a “racial war” by attacking symbols of French cultural cohesion and identity, including statues.

The letter blames “fanatic partisans” for seeking to create divisions within communities that have created a vacuum for Islamists to assert their control.

“The hour is grave, France is in peril,” states the letter, which was published on 21 April – the 60th anniversary of a failed coup d’état.

The military servicemembers warn that the treatment of the “gilets jaunes” or yellow vest protesters exemplifies how the government has used the police “as proxy agents and scapegoats” for brutal oppression.

“It is no longer the time to procrastinate, otherwise tomorrow civil war will put an end to this growing chaos and deaths – for which you will be responsible – with numbers in the thousands,” the letter concludes.

Despite the letter being condemned by the government and the media, a new poll has found that a majority of the French people agree with its substance.

A survey by Harris Interactive found that 58% of respondents “support the words of the soldiers,” reports Valeurs.
A clear majority – 84% – said violence was increasing in society and 73% thought the country was disintegrating. Almost three quarters think the “anti-racism” movement is having the opposite impact and making race relations worse.

Almost half (49%) also think that the military should be sent in to occupy problem areas, “which would act on its own to restore order.”

Only one in three respondents said the signatories should be punished, despite the minister in charge of the armed forces, Florence Parly, indicating that active duty members would face sanction.

“Two immutable principles guide the action of members of the military with regard to politics: neutrality and loyalty,” tweeted Parly.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
and we are heading in the other direction

INDEED we are . . . why are we not shocked?


WHY IS IT
that the people of this planet allow the handful of satanic scum to continue to control us?
we are carefully cultivated and harvested from the time we're pushed out until the time we're planted​
 
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