223shootersc
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Bad construction and cheap construction are the problem, China you mess with the bull you get the horns and this storm definitely has horns
DISASTER China's Three Gorge Dam in Danger
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Doomer Doug
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Here is the latest video dealing with the 3 Gorges dam that, if true, indicates dam collapse is not only inevitable, but IMMINENT.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3anKEW26K0&t=194s
CHINA'S 3 GORGES DAM HAS LEAKS AND CRACKS
CHINA'S 3 GORGES DAM HAS LEAKS AND CRACKS The Three Gorges Dam is a hydroelectric gravity dam that spans the Yangtze River by the town of Sandouping, in Yiling District, Yichang, Hubei province, China. The Three Gorges Dam has been the world's largest power station in terms of installed capacity since 2012.
CHINA'S 3 GORGES DAM HAS LEAKS AND CRACKS
CHINA'S 3 GORGES DAM HAS LEAKS AND CRACKS The Three Gorges Dam is a hydroelectric gravity dam that spans the Yangtze River by the town of Sandouping, in Yiling District, Yichang, Hubei province, China. The Three Gorges Dam has been the world's largest power station in terms of installed capacity since 2012.
EYW
Veteran Member
Over the years, I have tamped down my psychic side. Knew too many bad or unhappy things. But you don't have to be a psychic or RV to see that this dam will fail. I have known it since it was first being built. I have always thought when that thing lets go, it is going to be unimaginable destruction and loss of life. It is just a matter of when and it looks like the RVs may have narrowed it down somewhat.
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
I have found in my life many situations that appear to be black swan type events really are not. It is not a Black Swan event when a system fails catastrophically due to design flaw, construction flaw, defective materials, corruption and incompetence. Nope, that falls into the category of STUFF Happens. 
I grieve for the Chinese people who will pay dearly for the lies, deceit and treachery of the Marxist scum now ruling them. However, China must harvest the evil that it has sown. Actions have consequences, and you really do reap what you sow. China has had dozens of corruption scandals for DECADES.
I don't see how the 66 nuclear reactors can avoid melting down when the dam fails. Fukushima on streroids and on a scale that defies description. I look around me, at all this chaos and I have to accept that God has a plan, although he hasn't bothered to explain it to me yet.
We have six months left till the end of the year. I firmly think that however bad 2020 has been, it will pale into insignificance when 2021 starts, assuming any of us are alive that is.
I grieve for the Chinese people who will pay dearly for the lies, deceit and treachery of the Marxist scum now ruling them. However, China must harvest the evil that it has sown. Actions have consequences, and you really do reap what you sow. China has had dozens of corruption scandals for DECADES.
I don't see how the 66 nuclear reactors can avoid melting down when the dam fails. Fukushima on streroids and on a scale that defies description. I look around me, at all this chaos and I have to accept that God has a plan, although he hasn't bothered to explain it to me yet.
We have six months left till the end of the year. I firmly think that however bad 2020 has been, it will pale into insignificance when 2021 starts, assuming any of us are alive that is.
bw
Fringe Ranger
The satellite shots appear to show significant movement, but it might be image stitching. The closeup in Doug's video above shows huge apparent distortion. If the dam has distorted that much, the concrete in the area should be a heap of rubble, because concrete structures don't bend like that. I suspect that's all photoshopped. But the whole question could be settled by a few shots taken near ground level viewing along the dam. We saw them when it was being built and when it was new, but we aren't seeing any such views now. Curious.
MountainBiker
Veteran Member
CONCRETE "is curing" , getting harder, forever
HOOVER DAM IS SHORT AND TALL....AND GOES TO BEDROCK ON THE SIDES AND BOTTOM...A BIG PLUG
THE MORE WATER YOU HAVE..............THE TIGHTER THE PLUG
AN ARCH IS STRONGER THAN A STRAIGHT WALL
THIS DAM IS LONG AND JUST SITS ON THE GROUND SO IT IS PUSHED AROUND BY THE WATER......
WHEN THE WATER PUSHES WITH MORE FORCE THAN THE DAM WEIGHTS
THE DAM WILL MOVE MORE
That is one thing I don't understand with these huge engineering projects. Nothing lasts forever, yet no contingencies ever seem to be made with that in mind. Not an "if" but a "when," and the life-spans of these projects seem to be best measured in decades, not centuries.
This dam isn't that old. Sooner or later, about 100 million could get washed away, along with all the industry and infrastructure out to and inc. Shanghai. Worth it?? Lately, the Chinese have seemed more short-sighted than the West.
Short-sightedness and national prestige projects have a history of going hand in hand, especially in the modern era. Aswan High Dam and a bunch of water projects in the old Soviet Union are prime examples.
Grouchy Granny
Deceased
They don't call it preventive/predictive maintenance for no reason. Seems that Chinese made/built stuff (all of it) doesn't understand that concept as it is made to be disposable within one or two years at best.
There are ongoing maintenance activities at all the dams here. I ran a maintenance management system for hydro plants for about 13 years and saw exactly the types of maintenance going on.
There are ongoing maintenance activities at all the dams here. I ran a maintenance management system for hydro plants for about 13 years and saw exactly the types of maintenance going on.
Seeker22
Has No Life - Lives on TB
What happens if they claim we nuked the dam as a reason for the failure and then go to a war footing? That would get the CCP leadership off the hook from all the angry people and put that anger onto us. When the 66 reactors go, how would it be possible to check whether the dam failed from shoddy workmanship or a "nuke strike" with all that radiation floating around?
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Most Asian cultures, and especially the traditional Chinese seem to have a view of reality that says "if it looks good it will be fine" and "don't you dare say anything because the tall nail gets hit with the hammer."
In Japan, as my old housemate said, the saying is "if a pot smells, put a lid on it."
Now for many situations, this might actually be a good idea especially for social problems and issues that sometimes do just go away if ignored (except when they don't but that's another story).
On the other hand, when confronted with problems like the Three Gorges Dam (China) or Fukashima (Japan) this attitude can result in catastrophe - but not always right away, and not for the original folks that may have spotted the problem, they just hope to be gone (or better dead and gone decades down the road) before those consequences morph into reality.
In Japan, as my old housemate said, the saying is "if a pot smells, put a lid on it."
Now for many situations, this might actually be a good idea especially for social problems and issues that sometimes do just go away if ignored (except when they don't but that's another story).
On the other hand, when confronted with problems like the Three Gorges Dam (China) or Fukashima (Japan) this attitude can result in catastrophe - but not always right away, and not for the original folks that may have spotted the problem, they just hope to be gone (or better dead and gone decades down the road) before those consequences morph into reality.
Ractivist
Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
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Likely true imho.
Or, they say we used our rain machines to flood it out. Weaponized weather, HAARP.
Likely true imho.
Bubble Head
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More likely to receive a conventional missile from India. They are currently at war. It is not going to take much to break that dam. It seems to be doing a pretty good job on its own.
Bubble Head
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Operation Popeye in Vietnam they used Lead Sulfate to seed the clouds. I am sure on any given day somewhere in the world some country or entity is messing with the weather. Here in Colorado they still use seeding to dump the most snow on the ski areas. I think they use sliver sulfate. Some people have actually talked about and maybe have tried to seed Hurricanes.
doctor_fungcool
TB Fanatic
I have found in my life many situations that appear to be black swan type events really are not. It is not a Black Swan event when a system fails catastrophically due to design flaw, construction flaw, defective materials, corruption and incompetence. Nope, that falls into the category of STUFF Happens.
I grieve for the Chinese people who will pay dearly for the lies, deceit and treachery of the Marxist scum now ruling them. However, China must harvest the evil that it has sown. Actions have consequences, and you really do reap what you sow. China has had dozens of corruption scandals for DECADES.
I don't see how the 66 nuclear reactors can avoid melting down when the dam fails. Fukushima on streroids and on a scale that defies description. I look around me, at all this chaos and I have to accept that God has a plan, although he hasn't bothered to explain it to me yet.
We have six months left till the end of the year. I firmly think that however bad 2020 has been, it will pale into insignificance when 2021 starts, assuming any of us are alive that is.
How could I exist without a heaping portion of real DOOM. BLESS you son.
Heck you wouldn't have to even "break" the dam, just the shipping locks.
There's a reason for the PLA having a ton of IADS/ADA/BMD assets covering the area.
Bubble Head
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I would think cloud seeding from India would get the job done. India could seed on in their own country providing the winds are correct. Torrential downpours in the upper areas would work its way down with a real slam.
Would there be a different radiation signature between a power plant and a nuclear weapon?
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
Certainly. But as an excuse, it would be ideal for the Chinese if they decided to use it. Determining the nature of 66 co-mingled radioactive samples from the contaminated water will take much longer than the war.
doctor_fungcool
TB Fanatic
How many nuke plants would br affected if three gorges went off line?
The winds would never be "correct" for that due to the Himalayas. The whole reason the monsoon drenches India is because all that moisture floods north where it runs into the wall of mountains and has nowhere to go. The Gobi desert exists as the rain shadow of those mountains.
MountainBiker
Veteran Member
All dams and levees eventually fail. Some are taken down in a controlled fashion before they fail, but none last forever. This is why nobody should ever live in the path of a failed dam or levee. Those paths aren't all that hard to predict.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Dude lay off the all capital letter words, please! It's hard to read and we don't like being screamed at here at TBK.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Agreed!
Seeker22
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Where are you reading these? Thanks for posting links or a PM.
Trivium Pursuit
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I do think they could choose to scram the reactors now and power them down and make them inert. Before the flood arrives there. However, they need the energy to meet the current 5 year plan. This is part of what happened at Chernobyl. They could shut them down in time, but they WON'T. Their arrogance and stupidity has yet to crescendo to its maximum. And the ironic thing is, they think we are the barbarians…I have found in my life many situations that appear to be black swan type events really are not. It is not a Black Swan event when a system fails catastrophically due to design flaw, construction flaw, defective materials, corruption and incompetence. Nope, that falls into the category of STUFF Happens.
I grieve for the Chinese people who will pay dearly for the lies, deceit and treachery of the Marxist scum now ruling them. However, China must harvest the evil that it has sown. Actions have consequences, and you really do reap what you sow. China has had dozens of corruption scandals for DECADES.
I don't see how the 66 nuclear reactors can avoid melting down when the dam fails. Fukushima on streroids and on a scale that defies description. I look around me, at all this chaos and I have to accept that God has a plan, although he hasn't bothered to explain it to me yet.
We have six months left till the end of the year. I firmly think that however bad 2020 has been, it will pale into insignificance when 2021 starts, assuming any of us are alive that is.
patriotgal
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Profit of Doom
Dismember
I believe that even a scrammed reactor needs active cooling for some time. If the floods hit the pumps and gennies, they’re toast.
Elza
Veteran Member
It takes a long time to take a reactor to cold shutdown. Plus they would have to de-fuel them and transport the fuel rods to somewhere safe. I doubt they would have time to accomplish the operation if they started today. However just getting them to a cold shutdown would help but they are never going to do this. It would be an admission that they are never going to make.
doctor_fungcool
TB Fanatic
.The Yangtze River runs through cities in which 400-600 million people live. 66 nuclear power plants are in the path of massive floods that will only increase and could turn into giant tidal waves should the dam fail.
Should this dam burst...it may well be the worst natural disaster in human history.
66 reactors....think long and hard about that
Should this dam burst...it may well be the worst natural disaster in human history.
66 reactors....think long and hard about that
Doc1
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Doctor-fungcool, understand that I'm not singling you out, but you are making the same mistake that many other posters in this thread have made. Posters keep referring to "66 nuclear reactors" being downstream of the dam.
There are 66 nuclear power plants downstream from Three Gorges, not 66 reactors. It may be safely assumed that many, if not most of the plants have more than one reactor onsite. The radiological disaster which would ensue from a Three Gorges collapse would almost certainly be much worse than many believe.
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Doc
Profit of Doom
Dismember
Are all those cities downstream of the dam? Those upstream are already getting flooded. Dam collapsing will get the others, as well.
doctor_fungcool
TB Fanatic
Tnx Doc....
Wow, I feel so much better now.
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
I saw a video I will try and post where he was making the point that you already have MASSIVE Flooding both upstream of the dam and downstream of the dam. I am convinced the dam will fail and unleash near total damage, but even if it stopped today it would still take 4 days for the upper dam rivers tobflo into the Yangstze river, and another 3 days to get to Shangai.
