DISASTER China's Three Gorge Dam in Danger

Betty_Rose

Betty_Rose

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Countrymouse said:
Would really like to hear a consdiered serious answer to these questions:


I would REALLY like someone to tell me what's up with a loud AUDIO that has the sound we heard when all the floodgates were OPEN---when they are CLOSED and NO outflow can be "seen".

Also, the time-stamps on the side-view and front-view don't match.
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Country Mouse, there are a few posters here that thoroughly enjoy criticizing other posters just for sport. It’s one of the reasons that I don’t post much anymore.

I am sorry to see that you’ve drawn their ire. :(
 
The Snack Artist

The Snack Artist

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Countrymouse said:
Would really like to hear a consdiered serious answer to these questions:


I would REALLY like someone to tell me what's up with a loud AUDIO that has the sound we heard when all the floodgates were OPEN---when they are CLOSED and NO outflow can be "seen".

Also, the time-stamps on the side-view and front-view don't match.
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Thanks for your time and effort. I've been watching.
 
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OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Bright Blessings, Countrymouse and BW,

Stress from myriad factors, is wearing on people, worldwide... You both are highly intelligent, thoughtful, and compassionate. Those attributes don't keep the cares of the mundane world from impinging upon your psyches.

I pray that you, and others here, will step back, if possible, and concentrate upon your breathing, and contemplate better times...

We need you, hale and hearty, balanced, and stress free...

May You and Your Families Always Be Safe, Well, Happy, and Forever, Free... So Mote It Be!

Blessed Be,

OldArcher, Witch
 
bw

bw

Fringe Ranger
OldArcher said:
Bright Blessings, Countrymouse and BW,

Stress from myriad factors, is wearing on people, worldwide... You both are highly intelligent, thoughtful, and compassionate. Those attributes don't keep the cares of the mundane world from impinging upon your psyches.

I pray that you, and others here, will step back, if possible, and concentrate upon your breathing, and contemplate better times...
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Thank you, but I'm fine. Countrymouse apparently misunderstood and thought I was attacking her point of view.
 
Countrymouse

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
bw said:
Thank you, but I'm fine. Countrymouse apparently misunderstood and thought I was attacking her point of view.
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BW--why are you being so hateful?

You know full well I am NOT, now, talking about the cranes.

You know what questions I've asked.

You persist in ignoring them.

You, sir (or madam--I have no idea) are being very rude.

But have it your way.

Maybe some other person will care enough to actually GO to the site and comment upon the discrepancies I noticed.
 
bw

bw

Fringe Ranger
Countrymouse said:
BW--why are you being so hateful?

You know full well I am NOT, now, talking about the cranes.

You know what questions I've asked.

You persist in ignoring them.

You, sir (or madam--I have no idea) are being very rude.

But have it your way.

Maybe some other person will care enough to actually GO to the site and comment upon the discrepancies I noticed.
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CM, burrito said you should get away from this for a while, and I agreed. You're taking everything personally. You have way too much emotional investment. You really would do yourself good by taking a break.

I'm not obliged to answer every question you pose or every position you take. You mentioned a possibility of water coming over the top of the dam and flooding those cranes, and I showed why that seemed impossible to me. That's all I did, and that's the only thing I was responding to.

You may wait for others to weigh in on your other ideas, conjectures, or worries. I might have an opinion on some, but I have not said anything yet. It is not required that I answer every idea you pose.
 
TheSearcher

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
bw said:
In post 2046 you said "If the water has "partially submerged" the cranes---which are on TOP OF the dam--- Then---no, that is not good news. That is VERY bad news."
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There are cranes on top of the dam. There are ALSO cranes on structures on the outflow side of the dam, at a lower level.
 
bw

bw

Fringe Ranger
TheSearcher said:
There are cranes on top of the dam. There are ALSO cranes on structures on the outflow side of the dam, at a lower level.
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Correct, as has been pointed out. Those appear to have some water around them. I suggested that means water is backing up from downstream.
 
Countrymouse

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
bw said:
CM, burrito said you should get away from this for a while, and I agreed. You're taking everything personally. You have way too much emotional investment. You really would do yourself good by taking a break.

I'm not obliged to answer every question you pose or every position you take. You mentioned a possibility of water coming over the top of the dam and flooding those cranes, and I showed why that seemed impossible to me. That's all I did, and that's the only thing I was responding to.

You may wait for others to weigh in on your other ideas, conjectures, or worries. I might have an opinion on some, but I have not said anything yet. It is not required that I answer every idea you pose.
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BW--if I sound aggravated--it is because you--like a harpy old woman, insist over and over (and over!) on harping on a subject I have long since gone beyond.

If your problem here is that YOU refuse to move on to another topic until I say, "Ok, BW, you were right about the (damned!) cranes, and I was wrong. Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa." ---there, I've said it. Are you finally satisfied and will LEAVE that topic and MOVE ON to the one I WANT to talk about?

Let's give this one more try. If you refuse to actually respond to what I AM ASKING NOW--then what else CAN I assume but that you are doing it on purpose?

HERE are the thoughts that are interesting / intriguing / puzzling me RIGHT NOW:

1. WHY are the side angle / spillway angle CLOCKS NOT ALIGNED to the SAME time stamp? They SHOULD be.

2. WHY are we HEARING on the audio the loud noise of water POURING OUT OF THE FLOODGATES--when purportedly (and according to the last clear side angle view picture we got) there ISN'T any? (and why the "click" or "jump" in the tape about every 45 seconds--suggesting it is a repeating loop?)

3. WHY is (last time I checked--around noon EDT) the side angle video STILL frozen, while the spillway angle is not?
 
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summerthyme

Administrator
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Countrymouse said:
BW--if I sound aggravated--it is because you--like a harpy old woman, insist over and over (and over!) on harping on a subject I have long since gone beyond.

If your problem here is that YOU refuse to move on to another topic until I say, "Ok, BW, you were right about the (damned!) cranes, and I was wrong. Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa." ---there, I've said it. Are you finally satisfied and will LEAVE that topic and MOVE ON to the one I WANT to talk about?

Let's give this one more try. If you refuse to actually respond to what I AM ASKING NOW--then what else CAN I assume but that you are doing it on purpose?

HERE are the thoughts that are interesting / intriguing / puzzling me RIGHT NOW:

1. WHY are the side angle / spillway angle CLOCKS NOT ALIGNED to the SAME time stamp? They SHOULD be.

2. WHY are we HEARING on the audio the loud noise of water POURING OUT OF THE FLOODGATES--when purportedly (and according to the last clear side angle view picture we got) there ISN'T any? (and why the "click" or "jump" in the tape about every 45 seconds--suggesting it is a repeating loop?)

3. WHY is (last time I checked--around noon EDT) the side angle video STILL frozen, while the spillway angle is not?
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Er... why would you expect any member here to be able to give you answers to those questions? You *are* sounding like the rude person here, shrilly demanding soneone explain somethung that *no one* without access to the upper echelons of the CCP can possibly know!

We. Don't. Know. The most likely explanations are the stuff of nightmares... it's frozen so the severe and obvious deterioration won't be seen.

It has to be something serious enough to justify the serious "face loss" they are suffering from appearing to be unable to keep their cameras working.

Summerthyme
 
Countrymouse

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
summerthyme said:
Er... why would you expect any member here to be able to give you answers to those questions? You *are* sounding like the rude person here, shrilly demanding soneone explain somethung that *no one* without access to the upper echelons of the CCP can possibly know!

We. Don't. Know. The most likely explanations are the stuff of nightmares... it's frozen so the severe and obvious deterioration won't be seen.

It has to be something serious enough to justify the serious "face loss" they are suffering from appearing to be unable to keep their cameras working.

Summerthyme
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Summerthyme--thank you, thank you, thank you! That was exactly what I was looking for!

As for "knowing"--of course I know none of us has feet on the ground or eyes in the sky to "know" --with 100% clarity--what is going on. That is obvious.

What I was saying, in asking the questions---was that I wanted exactly what you were kind enough to give me---the same thing we all do all day long here on TB2K---to share with one another our thoughts, conjectures, best appraisals about what we all are seeing /hearing / reading about, means.

I, too, share your sentiments---unlike some who seem ready to accept the CCP party-line that "all's well / nothing to see here / move along"---that the situation is much more likely to be, as you put it: The most likely explanations are the stuff of nightmares... it's frozen so the severe and obvious deterioration won't be seen. It has to be something serious enough to justify the serious "face loss" they are suffering from appearing to be unable to keep their cameras working.

So thank you again for returning this to a discussion of analyzing possibilities, and I hope to hear many more members chime in with the same.
 
ShadowMan

ShadowMan

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SurfaceTension

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Countrymouse said:
Would really like to hear a consdiered serious answer to these questions:


I would REALLY like someone to tell me what's up with a loud AUDIO that has the sound we heard when all the floodgates were OPEN---when they are CLOSED and NO outflow can be "seen".

Also, the time-stamps on the side-view and front-view don't match.
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Although the flood gates are closed and there's no water flowing down the "ski-jump" energy dissipaters you're accustomed to seeing, there's still roughly 25,000 cubic meters per second (almost 900,000 cubic feet per second) flowing through the power generating plants on either side. It's the more turbulent section of water closest (and furthest) from the camera. Although, relative speaking, it's a small discharge compared to a couple weeks ago, it's still a metric crapload of water moving, discharging into a still tailwater that will cause turbulence and noise, much like standing next to mild rapids.
 
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DryCreek

DryCreek

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Big Sarge said:
Now that they think the 3GD isn't gonna go, they can go back to focusing on world domination??
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Hey, while you're still living in knee-deep water, stop worrying about that, and now start worrying about this.

That should do it. Yeah, a distraction! Hey, look over there!
 
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OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Blessed Be,

I hope all here are prepared for the psychic impact of so many lives being extinguished... As ALL is energy, such a vast well of transference has not been encountered in this, or any recent, generation. That this will be the result of criminal enterprise and corruption, does not lessen it's tragedy, for in it, so many "good" potentialities and possibilities will cease to exist...

It should be a time for reflection, and soul searching. However, the CCP will seek new territories by war and conquest, before it's strength is too diminished to function.

This is the calm before the storm, where the Four Horsemen; Famine, Disease, Conquest, and War, wait to gallop forth upon a weary world... Petty tyrants will seek advantage, while the Great Game nears this dreadful stage. No one will be safe, not in the initial stages, nor in those that Famine and Disease will reap their harvest...

This will be the true beginning of Sorrows...

Prepare as best you can...

Blessed Be

OldArcher, Witch
 
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OldArcher

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Oreally said:
ideas on how and when we will hear about it ... ?
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Perhaps the financials might leak info, as in Bloomberg Markets, China Open, CH.353 on DTV, at 2000 CDT... BBC is always a possibility, as could be SKY NEWS, as well as various EU outlets... News out of the ME is a possibilty, as well as Latin America...

Who knows? Somebody will eventually spill the beans...

Bright Blessings,

OldArcher, Witch
 
Countrymouse

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
dioptase said:
I feel ghoulish waiting on the dam to fail, but I can't make myself look away, either.

Unless I am doing something wrong, I've noticed that the Underground Silk Railroad hasn't updated since Sept. 3, which I find a bit worrisome. I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese gov went after him for posting all those images of flooding. https://twitter.com/UndergroundSilk
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I've wondered as well how long he could last.

Brave man, to shine out the truth for those who do not want to see it.....
 
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OldArcher

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That their rice bowl is broken, is a given. Loss of face, also a given- but how gravely?

Anyone able to contact anyone not CCP, in China? Even they may not know, if there is a complete news blackout, total censorship of their internet... Perhaps travelers leaving China may know...

Regardless, consider this bad, and a potential War Warning, if 3GD has fallen/failed. CCP will think it has no choice, but to unleash two of the Four Horsemen, War and Conquest, in order to perpetuate the CCP... Already, Disease and Famine are on the stage...

Interestin' times, eh?

Bright Blessings,

OldArcher, Witch
 
MinnesotaSmith

MinnesotaSmith

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Okay; we're pretty sure the live cam pics/videos of the dam are completely faked. So, why would anyone here either look at them or discuss them for one second more? I don't get it.
 
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