CORONA Check Your Cells (smart phones that is)
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TammyinWI
Talk is cheap
Ok, so I always have my wi-fi turned "off" on my phone. Sometimes it turns itself on...and then I get p.o.ed because then I have to adjust a few things to get the settings back to what i want...anyway, what does the dang thing look like?
This? I am going to check my phone again...like someone posted above, I do not think I have enough free space for another app. grrr.
This? I am going to check my phone again...like someone posted above, I do not think I have enough free space for another app. grrr.
TammyinWI
Talk is cheap
Isn't that illegal? In the ZUSA, that is, STILL? People are having their privacy and their rights violated. I hope that they are not allowed to impose this on everyone. Totally b.s.
TammyinWI
Talk is cheap
Well, dang skippy, they are working on getting the glitches ironed out...can it be deleted??? This is absolutely insane.
TammyinWI
Talk is cheap
Well it least you can keep your location and bluetooth off. So can I. And when I need another phone, I won't get one if those and the wi-fi cannot be shut off.
I am thinking that you are good then, if you don't want to be tracked. This whole thing is obscene.
And you are right re: the quickly implemented Patriot Act. That is a misnomer...instead of rose, it should be called thorn.
vessie
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Or have I and it keeps bugging me to do it.
Also, I sometimes get a message that it will auto update sometime during the night and then in the morning is says that the update wasn't successful due to needing more space to do it. V
JF&P
Deceased
I have it and I really dont care....please understand I am a grain of sand....no one is going to care when I go grocery shopping or to a Doctors appointment,,,,seriously!!! Besides it requires Bluetooth...and my bluetooth is turned off.
Now comes the big question....HOW DO I DELETE IT???
Now comes the big question....HOW DO I DELETE IT???
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Texican
Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
Don't forget the tin foil. You can always wrap your phone in tin foil to block the signal or put into a steel box and open the box lid occasionally in front of the local bars or police station but always close after a minute or two so if they are tracking you, it will drive them crazy.
Or only use it at home and carry lots of quarters for the pay phone.
Texican....
LoupGarou
Ancient Fuzzball
No people needed, the systems on the networks do all of the data collection and mining, so all a human has to do is ask for that data. SEVERAL companies sell subscription access to that data, and leave it as simple as either querying for a single IMEI, ESN, or MRN, or querying for a group of users either at a location and watching their movement and other data, OR querying a group and getting the system to spit out all of the "contacts" of the individuals of that group. If you hang out with another cellphone user more than a certain number of times, OR keep walking/driving with them for a certain distance then there is an association built in your database. And that is before they even start datamining the call and text data or looking at your web usage.
You can't delete it, and the tracking part does not need Bluetooth to give them your info. The cell sites can triangulate all by themselves (even better than if GPS was on). The Bluetooth was pablum for the public, IMEI, ESNs and the rest are more than enough along with the very tight triangulation to figure out who is at any given location at any given time.
Loup
Lone Eagle Woman
Veteran Member
Now so glad that I do Not have a phone. Am one of those few people that live still without a phone and LOVE IT!!! Have learned years ago with living without a phone ... don't need one and don't want one. It is still NOT a crime to go without a phone and encourage everyone to just live without. Life is Great and offers so my much!
JF&P
Deceased
If I can't delete it....F Em. Like I said I go grocery shopping and to the Doctor,,,,and if i were going to do something nefarious,,,I'd just leave the phone at home.
sunflowerstation
Veteran Member
LoupGarou
Ancient Fuzzball
And to give you all an idea of how easy it is to get at this data, including your IMSI, IMEI, GSM, and other identifiers, just look here: TMSI Catcher & Decoder - SigintOS
Notice that they have a download button, and it is in both an installable form, as well as a Live ISO DVD so you can run it on any laptop. All you need is a SDR radio (RTL-SDR stick for less than $40 will do fine) and the laptop. Yes, it is that easy to get all sorts of info on who is in the area. The networks themselves have access to EVERYTHING. SigintOS is a good start for learning, as well as keeping a watch on who is in YOUR area at any given time (Think of the ways that you could use this for your own security, along with your own LPRS, and TPMS scanners if you want). There is no reason that you can't use their technology for YOUR benefit as well...
Loup
Notice that they have a download button, and it is in both an installable form, as well as a Live ISO DVD so you can run it on any laptop. All you need is a SDR radio (RTL-SDR stick for less than $40 will do fine) and the laptop. Yes, it is that easy to get all sorts of info on who is in the area. The networks themselves have access to EVERYTHING. SigintOS is a good start for learning, as well as keeping a watch on who is in YOUR area at any given time (Think of the ways that you could use this for your own security, along with your own LPRS, and TPMS scanners if you want). There is no reason that you can't use their technology for YOUR benefit as well...
Loup
LoupGarou
Ancient Fuzzball
Do you own a car that has Onstar or similar systems? Those are being tracked just the same...
Same thing with MIFIs and other cellular devices. Have a cellphone connected security system on your house? Yep, same issues...
Loup
Lone Eagle Woman
Veteran Member
Hi Loup. No I do Not own a car either but I live without. I live here in wonderful Jackson Hole, Wy. and I bike, walk, or take the local bus everywhere I go. Do personally live a very simple life and live without the things many people consider essential. My joy in life is getting back in the deep wilderness which is abundance here locally and live in the wilds in the old ways. Also do not own a home but rent. Big times of the year live in the wilderness say .... Learn to Live Without!
LoupGarou
Ancient Fuzzball
Visited Jackson Hole twice when I was "stationed" out in NM (Cloudcroft area, for work in certain labs just west of there). It was worth the drive north to get up in that area of the country. Incredible part of the world you live in. I remember seeing the Tetons off in the distance and not realizing how much of a distance it was from where I was (I was used to seeing the mole hills of VA that you can see from 30-40 miles away at best and be there in less than an hour). I got to watch people trying to get pre-cellphone-selfies with the bison out there and almost become doormats for the bison.
I could see living with no cell phone out there. Easily. Maybe not without an Amateur radio or two (did find out what you all mean by "snow STORM" is not what Virginia calls a snow storm (spent an extra few days in the motel waiting for the snow to clear enough to go back to NM).
Would definitely go back again.
Loup
A friend just sent me this. Pretty much everything Loup just said.
Edward Snowden: How Your Cell Phone Spies on You
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
You have to download the app from your local health authority. You have to turn it on. You have to confirm it is set to use your location using blue tooth.
I have done none of that, so it is off. You also have to set the bell notification or you won't know if an infected person is near you.
I have done none of that, so it is off. You also have to set the bell notification or you won't know if an infected person is near you.
my landline number was ported (stolen) cpl weeks ago
dont feel too secure about your landline
aside from wiping all my pwords
they hit my bank for $800
eventually got the 800 recinded
but now i have to fite to recind $45 nsf charge
I envy you a very great deal.
Loup is entirely correct on this thread. If you have a cell phone, ANY cell phone, on you, you’re traceable.
intothatgoodnight
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TammyWI - as Loup (also Donald Shimoda) pointed out in comment #23 , ANY phone user is/has been tracked for years, and in a multitude of silent ways that cannot be turned off, per se - this recently added COVID-19 tracking "feature" can be mitigated to some degree, but in doing so, does NOT STOP OTHER ongoing tracking methods currently being employed, and that CANNOT be turned off.
You ARE being real-time tracked and recorded - with, or without, the COVID-19 tracker "upgrade" being installed.
intothegoodnight
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intothatgoodnight
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As Loup noted in #56 , it is all completely automated - no human sifting required - data-mining systems do the near real-time heavy sifting-lifting, quickly winnowing down to few specifics of potential interest that MAY BE checked by humans.
Works very well, and is quite thorough.
intothegoodnight
LoupGarou
Ancient Fuzzball
Actually, if you have the tracker APP on along with the API that both Google and Apple have forced down on everyone, then the Bluetooth is only used for second level verification for any one cluster of cellphone devices in one area. The BLE of each phone forms an ad-hoc network and tosses a supposedly random "identifier" back and forth with the other cell phones and devices in the local area (about 30 feet radius around each device). Every cellphone ends up re-randomizing each identifier and then keep going as far as sharing the IDs around the group as they go. All this time the BLE random IDs are handed upstream through the cellular towers to their servers in the cloud. All this does is give them a guaranteed second level verification that any specific device was in an area with the other devices that it shared IDs with. If you turn off Bluetooth (and it stays off with no programs turning it back on in the background), then that second level of authentication is stopped but it does not stop the main method of cellular triangulation and all of the data capturing that is going on. THAT is completely done in the phone's OS, and with the cell towers, and has been for over two decades. If they want to watch any one person, or any group of people, they have been collecting this data through both of the major cellular service providers since 1996, and most of the other for at least a decade. This means that no matter what the Bluetooth state is (on or off), they have all the data on you to follow you for at least a decade back. And the servers that mine this data will easily allow anyone with the $$$$ to go following people at their whim.
One of the good things about a rooted phone is you can do image backups of the full android directory by date with each in it's own subdirectory so that you can run a diff on the before and after update directories and see not only what files they changed, but what parts in the files they have changed. Once you have that info, a bit of reverse engineering and you can have a better idea of what is going on in the phone's OS and additional programs and APIs. As far as they are concerned, the phone is just an active RFID with a pile of sensors that you are paying for so that you can make calls, send texts, hit the internet, and play with. THEY, on the other hand, are making millions on your personal data, as well as keeping a LOAD of information on you including rather precise location data. Any reason that they can find to collect MORE data, or to add an extra level of verification (checking WiFi against known Access Points and locations, checking Bluetooth against known Bluetooth systems "in the wild", and many of the other sensors in the phones can be used remotely). What we used to get in trouble for two or three decades ago when "War Driving" to find and map Access Points, they do "legally" with billions of devices. Several of the APPs that both iOS and Android have been caught turning on either the WiFi or Bluetooth and mapping areas when they can. Straighttalk just got caught with their APP doing it last year, with both WiFi and Bluetooth.
They aren't going to stop collecting and mining the data, they are getting paid from all directions to do so, and TPTB designed this whole "relationship" between them, the cellular providers, and the Internet groups like Google and Faceborg so that the datamining of civilians and others can be done outside off the law, without need of ANY warrants, whenever they want. I'm not expecting them to get rid of that loophole ANYTIME soon.
Loup
intothatgoodnight
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Well said, Loup - thanks for chiming in - the reliable tracking and data mining of cell phones/smartphones/pads usage has been going on for a lot longer than most folks realize - while such tracking was also occurring during the copper land-line days (pre-cell phone), it was a very manual and tedious process, and certainly not real time, per se, nor as richly capable as today's all digital real-time deep data mining/profiting/snooping/tracking/instant dossier creating/building/dossier upgrading and updating, and sharing.
BILLIONS, if not low TRILLIONS of outright profit opportunity being driven with all of this, not to mention the ability of not ONLY TPTB to be able to real-time reach out/look for an individual/group "of interest," 24/7/365, from ANYWHERE in the world - but this tattletale function is also AVAILABLE/accessible to wealthy individuals, groups, criminal organizations and drug cartels, sovereign intel agencies, and deep-pocketed nefarious folks worldwide (insert your favorite "bad guys," here).
FACT.
YOU are the PRODUCT.
Pay continuous attention to this reality, folks.
Your cell phone/smartphone/pad/laptop computer/home computer are THEIR very own real-time TATTLETALE devices that YOU (willingly) pay to have installed and operational in your personal lives. Today's cell phone/smartphone/pad/laptop computer/home computers do NOT respect an individual's 4th amendment RIGHT of personal privacy, and are your own worst enemy in the larger scheme of things.
Yet, BILLIONS, worldwide, simply MUST have such devices involved in their daily lives despite above expressed tech-enable realities of this whole situation.
The Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves over this whole matter.
intothegoodnight
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TammyinWI
Talk is cheap
Thank you, intothatgoodnight, Loup, and Donald Shimoda. I will go back up and read those posts, and probably the whole thread.
Yes, we have always been tracked, but now the Karens of the world who have been hired by the goob, including the deep state, can see who was clustered together, in terms of 6 feet or less, for "15 minutes" or more. That way they can see who was all around anyone around anyone who "tests positive." They probably don't even care about the "15 minutes of interaction," because that never made sense, not to me anyway. None of it does.
And they knew for a long time that they would install without permission this type of app on the masses phones. So draconian, and it was before. So big brother, and it was before. So fascist, and it was before. So commie, and it was before. Yeah.
Its called incrementalism. Like the frog in the hot pot that gets turned up one degree gradually, until the pot is boiling and the frog is dead. It is also divide and conquer.
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Donald Shimoda
In Absentia
Howdy, Folks!
Quite correct - as long as it has a functional power source.
Why do you think the industry moved from removable batteries to sealed batteries?
Why do you think the sheeple have been led down the primrose path to do everything on their phones, and to have them on their persons at all times?
Most people carrying smartphones have been suckered into the "convenience" of having one device that does it all, Swiss Army Knife-style.
In reality, they've been conditioned to carry a device that spies on them that's always on.
Now is a great time to get rid of it...
Peace and Love,
Donald Shimoda
PS: There are some good alternatives out there, but in many instances either one won't get all the features one craves in a single handheld device, or the price will take your breath away: Librem 5USA – Purism
Quite correct - as long as it has a functional power source.
Why do you think the industry moved from removable batteries to sealed batteries?
Why do you think the sheeple have been led down the primrose path to do everything on their phones, and to have them on their persons at all times?
Most people carrying smartphones have been suckered into the "convenience" of having one device that does it all, Swiss Army Knife-style.
In reality, they've been conditioned to carry a device that spies on them that's always on.
Now is a great time to get rid of it...
Peace and Love,
Donald Shimoda
PS: There are some good alternatives out there, but in many instances either one won't get all the features one craves in a single handheld device, or the price will take your breath away: Librem 5USA – Purism
Great secondary analysis goodnight. As I’ve said, if I were to ever engage in, um, “non-government-approved” activity, the phone would stay home. And you should do the same.
And a burner phone won’t save you if you don’t keep the battery out of it when within about 5 miles of your house. If the ESNs of your phone and a burner are found to be “together” a few times, that burner is compromised.
And a burner phone won’t save you if you don’t keep the battery out of it when within about 5 miles of your house. If the ESNs of your phone and a burner are found to be “together” a few times, that burner is compromised.
intothatgoodnight
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Donald Shimoda - from your Librem website URL:
"Peace of mind with a phone that does not track you"
Untrue. Once that baseband radio/chip locks into a cell tower (all conveniently standardized so that every phone that accesses the nearby cell tower will be able to nail-up/route the call/message/data across the entire wireless system, world-wide) TPTB will know EXACTLY where you are, and when/how long. As far as using HTTPS and VPNs, TPTB also control the entire certificate/authentication system - one end to the other - to include third-party VPN service offerings.
"They've" got you coming, and "they've" got you going.
Comment?
intothegoodnight
TammyinWI
Talk is cheap
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A very good idea, yes. Thank you.
Donald Shimoda
In Absentia
Comment? Sure.
First off, It's not "my" Librem website. I don't own it, nor do I endorse it.
As I wrote:
"There are some good alternatives out there, but in many instances either one won't get all the features one craves in a single handheld device..."
Notice I said "good," not "perfect" or "totally secure."
Also, notice I wrote, "one won't get all the features one craves" - which in this instance, one certainly doesn't.
The folks at Librem appear to be trying to steer individual privacy and security in the appropriate direction, providing a good alternative and some of the features one might desire.
As always, best for one to do one's pre-purchase research on everything before buying (and in this instance, using).
Got an issue with Librem? I'm sure they'd love to read your input on to how to make their product even better. Here ya go: Contact – Purism
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