USA Charlie Daniels..."The Real Problem"

[Adino]

dberzerker and Boat Guy, thanks for satiating my curiosity, and I made no assumptions about either of you. Simply wondered aloud. But I do note you are the only two that provided clarity.

FL you show an adept understanding of revisionist history but unfortunately not the true history of Divine influence, prayer, and education on the Republic.

If you truly desire an understanding of the Founding Father's views on these subjects I would suggest you read a book titled "Original Intent" by David Barton.

In addition, he posted a graph in the book that shows the rise in crime and the statistics on broken families before prayer and God were shown the door in the public school system and after. It visually prooves Charlie's assertions.

It should come as no surprise to anyone that once God was shown the door and there is no accountability to Him, combined with teaching children they "evolved" from apes would result in an erosion of the morals and ethics that were the foundation of the Republic. We live in the results of this folly.

And no one has any right whatsoever to tell me where and when I pray. Its freedom of religion not freedom from religion.

 

[MikeD]

Christian for Israel :charlie doesn't get it. what we need is LESS government, not more. points i disagree with:

Thanks for saying that. I said I was't going to disect the article but I knew someone would. Won't say I agree with you completly but you hit awful close.

 

[fruit loop]

Adino, that's false. This "freedom of religion, not freedom from religion" crap started with Ronald Reagan (who first said it) when he was ass-kissing Jerry Fartwell back in the 80s.

It most certainly DOES mean freedom from religion. Our founding fathers had seen the results of a state-sponsored religion, and, whatever their private beliefs, understood that it shouldn't be enforced on everyone.

Keep your church to yourself. I've got my own, and am not about to tailor my life to fit someone else's.

 

[Chair Warmer]

Adino, that's false. This "freedom of religion, not freedom from religion" crap started with Ronald Reagan (who first said it) when he was ass-kissing Jerry Fartwell back in the 80s.

It most certainly DOES mean freedom from religion. Our founding fathers had seen the results of a state-sponsored religion, and, whatever their private beliefs, understood that it shouldn't be enforced on everyone.

Keep your church to yourself. I've got my own, and am not about to tailor my life to fit someone else's.

My daughter realized your dream had come true back in 1996, when she was only 6 years old and she lost her recess at school because she blessed her food at lunchtime.

I never even knew she blessed her food at lunch until she came home from school and told me what happened.

Then she was freed from religion again when she was 9 and came home from school confused that she may be gay after a teacher lead discussion, because she loves girls (her best friends, sister, mother, grandmother, etc.,)

School tried to free her from her religion, with "don't pray and be gay".

Perhaps someday, someone will catch you practicing or discussing your religion and then they will call the police on you so that you can be freed from your religion too! So then we can all be equally freed from all religions. Afterall, I do believe in equal rights for all. Something to look forward to eh?

~Mrs. Chair Warmer

 

[BoatGuy]

Fruit Loop, the Constitution is written in plain language for those that will simply read it.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

How does that jive with what you said? Many people remember the first part of the sentence, but conveniently forget the second.

 

[Chair Warmer]

Nowadays Constitutional rights are only for people who can afford the best lawyers and present the most proof.

~Mrs. Chair Warmer

 

[AnniePutin]

I'm curious if the folks that are saying Charlie should shut up and sing have said the same about performers and entertainers that parrot their views? Or like the rest of the libtards only say celeb soap boxes are acceptable when someone with fame makes statements that agree with their views and beliefs?

As far as telling Charlie to shut up and do something about it -- he does. I have seen him 3 times. 2 of those were benefit concerts where he was helping to raise money for a worthy cost. The last time I saw him he and a dozen other artists here in Nashville put on a benefit concert for one of local boys who was a Sgt in the Marines. On patrol his humvee was taken out with an ied. All 4 Marines were from around here. 3 died. The 4th lost both legs and most of one arm and a good portion of the remaining hand.

Some of the locals started a drive to raise money to build this Marine a house that could be set up to help him deal with living in his shattered body. Charlie found out about it and he volunteered and brought the show lots of publicity. I drive by the house everyday.

That's just one story. Charlie puts his time, face, and money where his mouth is and that's a fact jack.

In my opinion what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If its ok for libtard celebs to use their soap box it outta be ok for conservative celebs to feel free to use theirs.

Oh, and by the way I think he hit it out of the park.

ditto

 

[Adino]

Adino, that's false. This "freedom of religion, not freedom from religion" crap started with Ronald Reagan (who first said it) when he was ass-kissing Jerry Fartwell back in the 80s.

It most certainly DOES mean freedom from religion. Our founding fathers had seen the results of a state-sponsored religion, and, whatever their private beliefs, understood that it shouldn't be enforced on everyone.

Keep your church to yourself. I've got my own, and am not about to tailor my life to fit someone else's.

I know what church you belong to FL, it isn't based on the Word and Jesus calls it the synagogue of satan. It isn't the Church Jesus is in charge of. You can keep your "church". I'll be happy to stand before the Master at the end and let Him judge between you and your church and me and the true Church.

And in light of the disrespect you show all true followers of the Master I could care less about Dennis' request to treat you with respect when you refuse to respect the people of the Book. Respect is a two way street and you'll get the same respect from me you give out.

If I get banned so be it. That will be between Dennis, the mods, and God not me and them or me and you.

You and king bobo can have your church, I'll stick to the real one.

And I'm sure your smug opinion based on secular humanistic and luciferian teaching won't be moved by the truth that is given in the book I recommended allows you. But until you and your Hitleresque messiah totally ban free speech and truth I felt compelled to make you responsible for it.

 

[fruit loop]

It gets better, Adino. I'm married to a Unitarian Universalist minister.

 

[Chair Warmer]

Boatguy pointed out the Constitution clearly says;

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Fruit Loop, you've helped spread false ideas that caused my child's Constitutional rights to be trampled on. Yet you still stick to your imaginary theory, twisting the Constitution, and redefining it to suit your own selfish purposes. After seeing that an innocent child was punished for worshiping the way she believed in her own heart to be right, you seem to find it amusing and entertaining with your popcorn eating responses. This shows that you have a very dark heart.

You are helping to create a society that makes up it's own rules as it goes along, not sticking to any set laws or principles, and someday you will be subject to the results of that, where you no longer have any rights left either.

~Mrs. Chair Warmer

 

[dogmanan]

Christan for Israel
I agree with you on your post.
O by the way i have read stores you have wrote and they are great, you be good story writer.
Thanks for all of them .
TIM

LATER

 

[fruit loop]

Move to Afghanistan. Religious infliction is standard practice there.

And why am I not surprised that Adino's avatar bears suspicious resemblance to a hangman's noose?

::guzzles heathen pagan sacred libation, swirls black cloak, and vanishes into dark shadows::

 

[LMonty911]

I do not recite oaths to flags because I consider it idol worship.

Main Entry: al·le·giance
Pronunciation: \ə-ˈlē-jən(t)s\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English aligeaunce, from Anglo-French allegeance, alteration of ligeance, from lige liege
Date: 14th century
1 a: the obligation of a feudal vassal to his liege lord b (1): the fidelity owed by a subject or citizen to a sovereign or government (2): the obligation of an alien to the government under which the alien resides
2: devotion or loyalty to a person, group, or cause

 

[MikeD]

You are helping to create a society that makes up it's own rules as it goes along, not sticking to any set laws or principles, and someday you will be subject to the results of that, where you no longer have any rights left either.

~Mrs. Chair Warmer

Hope you don't mind me stepping in here since your comment was directed at FL.

1st every society in the history of the world has made up the rules as it goes along. I personally believe that there are only 3 real laws; don't kill, don't steal, and don't rape. Everything after that is fluff that is just to enhance these three basics. Anything that is law that does not pertain to these three should be struck down as illogical in my opinion. That includes drug laws, cohabitation laws, the FCC regs, Sunday alcohol sales, anything consenting adults do in their bedrooms, and many more.

2nd there is a part of the bible I do believe in, eye for an eye. You kill someone you die, you steal something you repay it (I like x2 myself but that's just me), and I won't go into what to do to rapist as this is a rated pg forum.

Think if we punished people this way. Think there would be any speeding on the roads? Drunk driving? Robbery? Murder? Sure, there would be some, but it would be very minimal. I know there would be some logistical issues but that’s another discussion.

3rd, I personally don't want anything to do with the churches principles. Yes there are some great principles that come out of that book, don't kill, don't steal are two of them. There are also so very ridiculous ones. Don't covet neighbors goods is one that is crazy, honoring parents is another as more than just a few deserve none, condoning of war and slavery is another I find reprehensible.

There are many laws on the books today actively being enforced based on your religion and I would rather them not be. I believe in freedom for all people to do anything that does not harm anyone else directly. For the record, I am not against public prayer, done quietly and for the benefit of those that would like to be included.

BTW, Dennis and I had a discussion not too long ago about laws and religion. It can be found here if such interest you. http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=331782

All in all, while I recognize there is a minimal role for government in the world I am about as anarchistic as can be and an atheist too, so our views are bound to differ.

ETA also, I guess it could be said I believe in a 4th law being not to do damage to others propety, but that could be boiled down to stealing its' value.

 

[Flippper]

Prayer never belonged IN the schools. The school's job is to educated, not proselytize.

I don't want anyone leading me, or my kids, in prayer except our pastor.

I have a 5th grade elocution book, published in 1858. God and entire Bible passages are mentioned throughout it, and were required memorization for class speech assignments. This book was meant for public school use, and is what we consider today to be college level reading.

There were people still alive in 1858 who witnessed the formation of our nation, who likely knew the founding fathers, alive when this book was common fare and accepted in public schools. Going on what was used in the days close to the inception of the nation, I would say God was absolutely meant to be revered and in included in school curriculum.

A retired 5th grade teacher from So.Cal. saw what the book contained and said "THEY CAN'T PUT THAT IN A SCHOOL BOOK!!!" She was incensed, being the good little brainwashed athiest she was, and I had to sit her down and explain it is US not them who perverted the meaning of what freedom of religion and a government founded on Christian principles truly means.

 

[BoatGuy]

I have a 5th grade elocution book, published in 1858. God and entire Bible passages are mentioned throughout it, and were required memorization for class speech assignments. This book was meant for public school use, and is what we consider today to be college level reading.

There were people still alive in 1858 who witnessed the formation of our nation, who likely knew the founding fathers, alive when this book was common fare and accepted in public schools. Going on what was used in the days close to the inception of the nation, I would say God was absolutely meant to be revered and in included in school curriculum.

A retired 5th grade teacher from So.Cal. saw what the book contained and said "THEY CAN'T PUT THAT IN A SCHOOL BOOK!!!" She was incensed, being the good little brainwashed athiest she was, and I had to sit her down and explain it is US not them who perverted the meaning of what freedom of religion and a government founded on Christian principles truly means.

Boy, it only seems as though it were yesterday that I was attending an elementary school in Kansas. Every morning, we would say the Pledge of Allegiance and be led in prayer (I think it was over the intercom, but that part of the memory is fuzzy). At 45, I'm really not that old, and the times have changed, decidedly for the worse, in such a short time. This was a public school, by the way. Interestingly, prayer was removed in 1962, and the school I am thinking of, was around 1970... So, there were still people, 8 years after the decision, that kept the prayers going. Good for them.

 

[fruit loop]

The Pledge was written by a guy was actually a socialist.

The phrase "one nation indivisible" was added after the War Between the States, and recitation made mandatory, in order to indoctrinate southern children.

Ever heard kids recite the pledge? Most of them can't even pronounce the words properly. These little tykes stand with their little hands over their little hearts and recite those words like parrots. They have no idea what the words mean, or why they have to do this, except that the teacher says so.

Videos of kids mangling the pledge make it onto tv, where adults say how cute it is. They miss the point: IT IS NOT FUNNY.

No child should be forced to recite an oath until they are old enough to understand what it means, and decide if they want to.

My allegiance is to God. I do not "owe" allegiance to a country....that is one of the most Gestapo-like comments I've heard here.

I'm not the only Christian who refuses to recite the pledge, by the way. Quakers and Jehovah's Witnesses don't, and many fundies, for the same reasons I gave.

Don't like it? I imagine I can still manage to sleep at night.

 

[Adino]

It gets better, Adino. I'm married to a Unitarian Universalist minister.

Thank you so much for making my argument for me Jezebel. Married to a pastor of an apostate church. That truly explains it all.


Matt 7:12-29
12 "Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
14 "Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
16 "You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
17 "Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 "Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
24 "Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock:
25 "and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
26 "Now everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand:
27 "and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall."
28 And so it was, when Jesus had ended these sayings, that the people were astonished at His teaching,
29 for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
(NKJ)

John 10:9-15
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
10 "The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.
11 "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.
12 "But a hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them.
13 "The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep.
14 "I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own.
15 "As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
(NKJ)

All Christians are supposed to be fruit inspectors. Those that belong to Jesus will bear good fruit. Fruit that halps bring an abundant life, the God kind of life.

Those that do not belong to Jesus will bear bad fruit. Their fruit is death, theft, and destruction.

I invite all to examine all to examine the fruit of FL, and the dictator she follows to and see if they are bringing God and His Kingdom and the life He desires all to have, or if the fruit they exhibit more closely resembles the thiefs.

And the avatar is the seal of the early Church, and was used until the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD. The Church then changed its seal to just the fish. It represents the fact that the House of Jacob and the Body of Christ have the same roots and foundation.

I can see how you would see a noose in there though.

 

[dberszerker]

I know what church you belong to FL, it isn't based on the Word and Jesus calls it the synagogue of satan. It isn't the Church Jesus is in charge of. You can keep your "church". I'll be happy to stand before the Master at the end and let Him judge between you and your church and me and the true Church.

And in light of the disrespect you show all true followers of the Master I could care less about Dennis' request to treat you with respect when you refuse to respect the people of the Book. Respect is a two way street and you'll get the same respect from me you give out.

If I get banned so be it. That will be between Dennis, the mods, and God not me and them or me and you.

You and king bobo can have your church, I'll stick to the real one.

And I'm sure your smug opinion based on secular humanistic and luciferian teaching won't be moved by the truth that is given in the book I recommended allows you. But until you and your Hitleresque messiah totally ban free speech and truth I felt compelled to make you responsible for it.

I Agree, and they shall be taken, and we will stay in the field to do the Lords work, till he returns to destroy the seed of the serpent. Be ready to be a witness just as today, only our words will be from the Lord, Im sure we will meet one day.

 

[fruit loop]

Thank you so much for making my argument for me Jezebel. Married to a pastor of an apostate church. That truly explains it all.

Jezebel??? Ooooh, cool. Does that make me a fallen woman?
::runs off to put on red ruffled panties::

People like you are a big reason why the UU fellowship is so large. You claim to welcome worshippers, but your venom drives them away. I bet if Jesus walked into your church, you'd yell at him to "get out of a dress, act like a man, and cut your hair, you long-haired, sandaled hippie."

dberz, I really doubt that what you'd do is the work of The Lord.

 

[dberszerker]

Thank you so much for making my argument for me Jezebel. Married to a pastor of an apostate church. That truly explains it all.

Jezebel??? Ooooh, cool. Does that make me a fallen woman?
::runs off to put on red ruffled panties::

People like you are a big reason why the UU fellowship is so large. You claim to welcome worshippers, but your venom drives them away. I bet if Jesus walked into your church, you'd yell at him to "get out of a dress, act like a man, and cut your hair, you long-haired, sandaled hippie."

dberz, I really doubt that what you'd do is the work of The Lord.

Now now, dont go, and be ugly. Just learn the fate ok the cainites, if you dont like what you see, then turn from your apostacy. Doubt nothing written in the scriptures. The thing is, you should start taking God at his word, not make up your own version according to your chosen lifestyle. Be well.