POL Canada warns world, it will defend Israel to death.

American Rage

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Israel is not our business. We have our own house that is crumbling around us and we continue to piss away billions in the ME and treat Israel like a lap dog, rather than as a sovereign nation. Israel has been a spoiled child and needs to stand on its own and make its own decisions according to its own constitution instead of having nations like US or anyone else pampering it and telling it how to conduct its business and affairs.

Whatever those decisions are concerning war or peace they should not affect nor involve us. I support Israel's right to act as a sovereign nation, but that's as far as my love for that God forsaken place goes.

I disagree!

Israel is our canary in the coal mine.

Whatever happens to Israel can and most likely will happen to us.

Don't believe me? Fact is that La Raza and Aztlan base their argument for "reconquista" on the Palestinian argument for a "right of return." That's why so many Mexicans beleive they have a right to return to the US.

It's also why the Mexicans so strongly support Palestinians in thier battle agaisnt Israel. So yes, whatever occurs to Israel will occur to us.


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D_el

Veteran Member
While I do not think it is our job to police her and provide for her, it is our job as an ally to help her defend herself.

I do not think we should be dictating their reactions or non reactions to their own politics and internal problems. But when it comes to helping her help herself, that is a different story.


Study the words of Romans 15:27 and see what we are advised to do and why.
 

Harbinger

Veteran Member
Israel is not our business. We have our own house that is crumbling around us and we continue to piss away billions in the ME and treat Israel like a lap dog, rather than as a sovereign nation. Israel has been a spoiled child and needs to stand on its own and make its own decisions according to its own constitution instead of having nations like US or anyone else pampering it and telling it how to conduct its business and affairs.

Whatever those decisions are concerning war or peace they should not affect nor involve us. I support Israel's right to act as a sovereign nation, but that's as far as my love for that God forsaken place goes.

I know a lot people have replied to this post but I think it must be understood.....History is not simply a page in book nor can one avoid/ignore the M.E. specifically Israel and still understand what is going on today. That little nation and the surrounding area defined history and is continually defining history. While to assume authority over Israel is definitely over stepping our boundaries of liberties and self right to rule but nor should we ignore its impact on the world throughout history. Every nation that failed to defend it and even the Israelite themselves who have failed to listen have been punished through out history. And I believe that as long as we don't stand by that little nation and defend it; we will never be able to get our house in order and instead a lesson we will be given.
 
Israel has been an non-entity for almost all of history. EVERYONE conquered them except for a few chapters in a long long book.


Don't believe me? Fact is that La Raza and Aztlan base their argument for "reconquista" on the Palestinian argument for a "right of return." That's why so many Mexicans beleive they have a right to return to the US.



No, sorry, I don't. The Mexican's want the land back they took from the indigenous peoples. We took it from them. And they might get it back unless you start to actually do something about what is going on in your own Country.

It has nothing to do with Palestine except some extrapolations and alliances that all weak people use when they are weak. Talk about history.
 

American Rage

Inactive
Israel has been an non-entity for almost all of history. EVERYONE conquered them except for a few chapters in a long long book.


Don't believe me? Fact is that La Raza and Aztlan base their argument for "reconquista" on the Palestinian argument for a "right of return." That's why so many Mexicans beleive they have a right to return to the US.



No, sorry, I don't. The Mexican's want the land back they took from the indigenous peoples. We took it from them. And they might get it back unless you start to actually do something about what is going on in your own Country.

It has nothing to do with Palestine except some extrapolations and alliances that all weak people use when they are weak. Talk about history.

La Raza and Aztlan disagree with you too, that's why they are using the Palestinian argument.


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Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Remember the dancing Israeli's. They knew exactly when and where 911 was going to happen and they positioned themselves to film it. They lost my support there and then.

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I remember dancing MUSLIMS--------I remember the Israelis mourning with us.

What were YOU watching, Al-jazeera?

I most DEFINITELY remember it was the MUSLIMS celebrating (ESPECIALLY THE PALIS)--NOT Israel.
 

Ender

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La Raza and Aztlan disagree with you too, that's why they are using the Palestinian argument.


RAge

Wait.

Just a couple of years ago, the right of return was the Israel argument; everyone was then saying Israel had that right. Others were saying: "If Israel has that right, don't the Cherokees, etc?"

Now, its a Palestinian argument?

Make up your minds.
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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Remember the dancing Israeli's. They knew exactly when and where 911 was going to happen and they positioned themselves to film it. They lost my support there and then.

I don't remember that. Got a link?

Not an arguement just curious.

I remember dancing Palis and also remember several ME countries including Iran holding moments of silence and vigils.

9/11 for the bad it was, could have become a rallying point for more peace and properity on this planet but from then to now we have lost the support and lost our way in fear.

I would support Israel as an ally and fight with them if needed but Aard is correct,,,it is not our place to police them or demand what they do or do not do.

Truth is-they really do not want our help in their dealings. $$ and such? Certainly-take it where you get it but being told what to do?



Bout as much as most of *us* appreciate the gubermint telling us what to do with our own property.
 

Kronos

Veteran Member
I remember the dancing Israelis.

They were filming the burning towers from a rooftop and seemingly celebrating.

I believe they were apprehended, and then quietly released.

I remember hearing about this at the time.

Here is a quick link: http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/mossad-agents-911.htm

Just a link among many which came up when searching 911 and dancing Israelis.

some excerpts:

Two of the "Five Dancing Israelies"
According to ABCNEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials worked out a deal — and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken out of jail, put on a plane, and deported back home.
While the former detainees refused to answer ABCNEWS' questions about their detention and what they were doing on Sept. 11, several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home.

Said one of the men, "Our purpose was to document the event."
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From there, the story gets becomes even more suspicious. The Israelis worked for a Weehawken moving company known as Urban Moving Systems.
An American employee of Urban Moving Systems told the The Record of New Jersey that a majority of his co-workers were Israelis and they were joking about the attacks.

The employee, who declined to give his name said: "I was in tears. These guys were joking and that bothered me."
These guys were like, "Now America knows what we go through."
(The Mercury Philadelphia, PA 10/17/01 )

A few days after the attacks, Urban Moving System's Israeli owner, Dominick Suter, dropped his business and fled the country for Israel.
He was in such a hurry to flee America that some of Urban Moving System's customers were left with their furniture stranded in storage facilities (21).

It was later confirmed that the five detained Israelis were in fact Mossad agents. (Forward Magazine). They were held in custody for 71 days before being quietly released. Some of the movers had been kept in solitary confinement for 40 days.
 

The Cub

Behold, I am coming soon.
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Go right ahead Canada!

While I hate to see the Holy Land where Jesus walked the Earth destroyed.....you can count me out of defending the modern State of Israel. I know that the meaning of the word "Israel" is "the people of God".....and that would be those who accepted "the New and Everlasting Covenant".

The New Israel of God

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-peace/message/396
 

White970

Inactive
I'm very proud of Canada right now.

At least our economy isn't completely shot and every little bit we do to help them wont break our bank.

We even turned down "unnecessary" things like the World's Fair in Korea just to save some money. Financially we aren't badly hurting, but we wont make it worse. Turning around and spending it on the defense of an ally is definitely a worthwhile use of the money.
 

Fred's Horseradish

Membership Revoked
I just finished reading Arthur Koestler's book, the 13th Tribe. He's one of them and claims 90% are of the "white Jew" including himself. They went north & to Europe and on. The rest are Shepardics, very few of those. They west south more to Spain and on. I'm going to have to reread a lot of it. He, Koestler calls the Shepardics the true Jew. (He said it not me. I would never take the Jewish name in vain, believe me!) What distresses me is he says the long narrow face is the true Jew. The roundish fuller face is the replacement Jew. It distresses me because I have friends over in Israel with the round face. I had hoped they were the true Jew.
I am just about one the verge of getting one of these ladies over here with me, thanks to the family. If that happens, will put these books away!

PS. He also makes a very, very important point: To be a Jew is a religious matter. He says, Jews have the SAME genetic make-up of the rest in any given area. Interbredding etc., so the face doesn't matter, it is what one believes. Interesting.
 
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