Old Gray Mare
TB Fanatic
This is the same socialist healthcare system that in recent years has let two infants die rather than allow their families to take them to potentially life saving treatment outside their control in other countries.
CORONA Boris Johnson now in ICU - perhaps in critical condition
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night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
AS I UNDERSTAND THIS:
{Melodi or another Brit can correct me in any errors)
The leader of the party that gains the most seats in Parliament becomes the Prime Minister (if his party gains a MAJORITY of the Parliamentary seats.)
If only a PLURALITY (easily done with as many parties as England has) then he has to get enough other seats (held by other parties) to join a government by enlisting the parties as support parties, garnering a MAJORITY of Parliament seats.
SO a new Prime Minister would (as I understand it) require a snap election while a caretaker government holds the powers and authorities.
{Melodi or another Brit can correct me in any errors)
The leader of the party that gains the most seats in Parliament becomes the Prime Minister (if his party gains a MAJORITY of the Parliamentary seats.)
If only a PLURALITY (easily done with as many parties as England has) then he has to get enough other seats (held by other parties) to join a government by enlisting the parties as support parties, garnering a MAJORITY of Parliament seats.
SO a new Prime Minister would (as I understand it) require a snap election while a caretaker government holds the powers and authorities.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
BTW, Donald sent 4 docs with "EVERYTHING THEY MIGHT NEED" to London to assist in BoJo's care.
They had arrived before the 5 o'clock Follies had finished today.
They had arrived before the 5 o'clock Follies had finished today.
jward
passin' thru
UK's Johnson fights worsening coronavirus symptoms in intensive care
Paul Sandle, Costas Pitas
5 Min Read
LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson was being treated for worsening coronavirus symptoms in an intensive care unit on Tuesday, with his foreign minister deputizing for him as the nation tackles the COVID-19 crisis.
Johnson, 55, was admitted to St Thomas’ Hospital in central London late on Sunday after suffering persistent coronavirus symptoms, including a high temperature, for more than 10 days.
His condition rapidly deteriorated over the next 24 hours, and he was moved to an intensive care unit - where the most serious cases are treated. Although he had received oxygen, his office said he was still conscious.
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Downing Street said the move to intensive care was “a precaution should he require ventilation to aid his recovery”.
Britain has no formal succession plan should a prime minister become incapacitated.
“The PM has asked Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab, who is the First Secretary of State, to deputise for him where necessary,” Downing Street said.
Just hours earlier, Johnson’s office said he was in good spirits and Raab had told a news conference that the prime minister was still running the government.
The pound edged lower against the dollar and the euro in Asia on Tuesday, trading at $1.2234 following a 0.3% decline on Monday.
BUSINESS WILL CONTINUE
“The government’s business will continue,” a somber Raab, 46, told reporters, saying Johnson was in the safe hands of a brilliant medical team.
FILE PHOTO: British Prime Minister Boris Johnson delivers a joint statement with French President Emmanuel Macron (not seen) before a meeting on Brexit at the Elysee Palace in Paris, France, August 22, 2019. REUTERS/Gonzalo Fuentes/File Photo
“The focus of the government will continue to be on making sure that the prime minister’s direction, all the plans for making sure that we can defeat coronavirus and can pull the country through this challenge, will be taken forward.”
Britain has some important decisions to make in its fight against the coronavirus outbreak. The official death toll in the United Kingdom currently stands at 5,373, and last week the health minister said the deadliest peak for deaths was projected to be Easter Sunday, April 12.
The country is in a state of virtual lockdown, a situation due to be reviewed early next week, and some ministers have suggested it might need to be extended because some people were flouting the strict rules.
There have also been calls for ministers to detail what the exit plans were from the shutdown, which has hammered the world’s fifth-biggest economy after the government ordered restaurants, bars, and nearly all shops to close and told people to stay at home to curb the spread of the virus.
“EXTREMELY SICK”
Johnson tested positive for the virus on March 26, the first leader of a major power to announce that he had tested positive for COVID-19.
After 10 days of isolation in an apartment at Downing Street, he was still fighting the virus on Sunday evening with a high temperature and persistent cough, prompting his admission to hospital. He was last seen in a video message posted on Twitter on Friday when he looked weary.
“There is no doubt this turn of events means Boris Johnson is extremely sick,” said Derek Hill, a professor of medical imaging at University College London (UCL).
Slideshow (9 Images)
Buckingham Palace said Queen Elizabeth had been kept informed by Downing Street and U.S. President Donald Trump said all Americans were praying for his recovery.
“He’s been really something very special - strong, resolute, doesn’t quit, doesn’t give up,” Trump told a news briefing, adding he had asked two pharmaceutical firms developing potential COVID-19 therapies to get in touch with the British government to offer their services.
“We’ve contacted all of Boris’ doctors and we’ll see what is going to take place,” he said. “But they are ready to go.”
Johnson, who is not a smoker, said recently that he wanted to lose weight. He plays tennis and while mayor of London used to cycle around the capital.
The face of the 2016 Brexit campaign, he won a resounding election victory in December before leading the United Kingdom out of the European Union on Jan. 31.
He faced criticism for initially approving a much more modest response to the new coronavirus outbreak than other European leaders, saying on March 3 that he had been shaking hands with coronavirus patients.
He changed tack when scientific projections showed a quarter of a million people could die in the United Kingdom and in the last few weeks the virus has penetrated the British government.
Johnson and his health minister tested positive last month and chief medical adviser Chris Whitty self-isolated. Johnson’s pregnant 32-year-old fiancée, Carrie Symonds, also had symptoms but said on Saturday she was feeling better.
www.reuters.com
Paul Sandle, Costas Pitas
5 Min Read
LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson was being treated for worsening coronavirus symptoms in an intensive care unit on Tuesday, with his foreign minister deputizing for him as the nation tackles the COVID-19 crisis.
Johnson, 55, was admitted to St Thomas’ Hospital in central London late on Sunday after suffering persistent coronavirus symptoms, including a high temperature, for more than 10 days.
His condition rapidly deteriorated over the next 24 hours, and he was moved to an intensive care unit - where the most serious cases are treated. Although he had received oxygen, his office said he was still conscious.
Related Coverage
Who is Dominic Raab, Britain's standby leader?
Factbox: Reaction as UK PM Johnson moved to intensive care
Downing Street said the move to intensive care was “a precaution should he require ventilation to aid his recovery”.
Britain has no formal succession plan should a prime minister become incapacitated.
“The PM has asked Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab, who is the First Secretary of State, to deputise for him where necessary,” Downing Street said.
Just hours earlier, Johnson’s office said he was in good spirits and Raab had told a news conference that the prime minister was still running the government.
The pound edged lower against the dollar and the euro in Asia on Tuesday, trading at $1.2234 following a 0.3% decline on Monday.
BUSINESS WILL CONTINUE
“The government’s business will continue,” a somber Raab, 46, told reporters, saying Johnson was in the safe hands of a brilliant medical team.
FILE PHOTO: British Prime Minister Boris Johnson delivers a joint statement with French President Emmanuel Macron (not seen) before a meeting on Brexit at the Elysee Palace in Paris, France, August 22, 2019. REUTERS/Gonzalo Fuentes/File Photo
“The focus of the government will continue to be on making sure that the prime minister’s direction, all the plans for making sure that we can defeat coronavirus and can pull the country through this challenge, will be taken forward.”
Britain has some important decisions to make in its fight against the coronavirus outbreak. The official death toll in the United Kingdom currently stands at 5,373, and last week the health minister said the deadliest peak for deaths was projected to be Easter Sunday, April 12.
The country is in a state of virtual lockdown, a situation due to be reviewed early next week, and some ministers have suggested it might need to be extended because some people were flouting the strict rules.
There have also been calls for ministers to detail what the exit plans were from the shutdown, which has hammered the world’s fifth-biggest economy after the government ordered restaurants, bars, and nearly all shops to close and told people to stay at home to curb the spread of the virus.
“EXTREMELY SICK”
Johnson tested positive for the virus on March 26, the first leader of a major power to announce that he had tested positive for COVID-19.
After 10 days of isolation in an apartment at Downing Street, he was still fighting the virus on Sunday evening with a high temperature and persistent cough, prompting his admission to hospital. He was last seen in a video message posted on Twitter on Friday when he looked weary.
“There is no doubt this turn of events means Boris Johnson is extremely sick,” said Derek Hill, a professor of medical imaging at University College London (UCL).
Slideshow (9 Images)
Buckingham Palace said Queen Elizabeth had been kept informed by Downing Street and U.S. President Donald Trump said all Americans were praying for his recovery.
“He’s been really something very special - strong, resolute, doesn’t quit, doesn’t give up,” Trump told a news briefing, adding he had asked two pharmaceutical firms developing potential COVID-19 therapies to get in touch with the British government to offer their services.
“We’ve contacted all of Boris’ doctors and we’ll see what is going to take place,” he said. “But they are ready to go.”
Johnson, who is not a smoker, said recently that he wanted to lose weight. He plays tennis and while mayor of London used to cycle around the capital.
The face of the 2016 Brexit campaign, he won a resounding election victory in December before leading the United Kingdom out of the European Union on Jan. 31.
He faced criticism for initially approving a much more modest response to the new coronavirus outbreak than other European leaders, saying on March 3 that he had been shaking hands with coronavirus patients.
He changed tack when scientific projections showed a quarter of a million people could die in the United Kingdom and in the last few weeks the virus has penetrated the British government.
Johnson and his health minister tested positive last month and chief medical adviser Chris Whitty self-isolated. Johnson’s pregnant 32-year-old fiancée, Carrie Symonds, also had symptoms but said on Saturday she was feeling better.
UK PM Johnson, battling coronavirus, set for second night in intensive care
British Prime Minister Boris Johnson was set to spend a second night in intensive care on Tuesday to help his fight against a coronavirus infection, as his designated deputy said he would pull through because "he's a fighter".
www.reuters.com
bw
Fringe Ranger
Uhh, no.
intothatgoodnight
. . .
Makes one begin to look for patterns regarding iron levels in high-profile individuals.
Shifting to a different perspective - also wonder what are Boris' zinc levels?
In Mon 06 Apr 2020 presser, Trump mentioned that the U.S. has sent over a medical team skilled in some undescribed therapeutic way, to work with Boris' doctors, and that the treatment is "complicated." When pressed by a journalist at the Q&A to describe the treatment, Trump side-stepped the question - perhaps it is something that the FDA has yet to approve for fighting COVID-19 positive individuals and TPTB are not ready to reveal to the world, yet - just speculating.
intothegoodnight
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
LIKELY a team that holds to the "Concepts not cookbook" theory of medicine. (With a LOT better tools than I ever had as a Medic)
Meadowlark
Has No Life - Lives on TB
For the record I wish him well. He got the Brexit thing done essentially. Really the best since Thatchet. Hate to see him go in his prime. Hope he recovers.
The Traveler
Veteran Member
I am not going to be as nice as BW, you have lost your ever loving ****ing mind.
There are several TBers who live in what I can only think of as an “alternate reality.”
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Ractivist
Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
But we all thought it. Does that count? We are unified intelligence. Those who have spent the years here have seen about everything under the sun debated to the truth. We have common understanding, common knowledge, and share quite a bit of wisdom. It's as if we do know what we are each thinking. Now what I mean? Of course you do....unified intelligence, you heard it here first, but I'm sure you thought of it as well....
Intestinal Fortitude
Have Faith
brains -
Melodi
Disaster Cat
There would need to be a snap election among the TORRY party for a new leader while the current "acting" Prime Minister (and that is what he was called in the press this morning) ran a caretaker government.
There would need to be a snap election (for the public) if The Conservatives were in a "minority" or "coalition" government as is being proposed for Ireland (if the parties can agree) because then the party of the Prime Minister doesn't have a majority but I'm pretty sure the Torry Party does have a majority right now (and if not, they only need a few extra votes from minor parties which they probably have).
I know this is confusing, these systems can be; just like Americans often have trouble understanding that the only people who vote in say Tony Blair or the Irish Taoiseach (Prime Minister) is their local constituents/voters (think senators).
They are the head of government either because their Party WON the election or because the other parties in a coalition government agreed to them being the Head of Government.
NOT because everyone in the country voted for them as individuals the way Americans vote for a President and Vice President.
Clear as mud? I'm doing my best...lol (and it only took me about 20 years to sort of figure this out ....
Does that have to mean that I understand what they are thinking?
So far this morning, what I hear is - on oxygen, off vent.
GO Boris!
And my understanding is along the lines of what Melodi said. Raab will continue until Parliament intervenes or BoJo is better. If the worst happens, a new party leader (PM) will be selected. The Tories are in power. They would pick a Tory. Probably(WAG?) Raab...as he was BoJo's choice. But nothing will happen quick. Do ya think Parliament wants to meet in the teeth of this virus? No.
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Remember back in December when Trump was in London to speak at Buckingham Palace and afterward, some of the world leaders were mocking Trump including Boris Johnson, (https://www.thedailybeast.com/justi...macron-appear-to-mock-trump-in-candid-video)? Bet Johnson is not mocking him now and pooh on him if he does.
NoMoreLibs
Kill Commie's, Every Single One Of Them!
How quickly we forget. Nice catch.
Your link is bad. And I seriously doubt that Johnson would disrespect Trump any more than Trump would ever disrespect Johnson.
I thought that was someone other than Bojo?
skoaldiak
WWG1WGA
Fixed link...
World Leaders Appear to Mock Trump in Candid Video
“You just watched his team’s jaws drop to the floor,” Trudeau is seen telling Macron and Johnson.
www.thedailybeast.com
View: https://twitter.com/PnPCBC/status/1202008162997538817
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Technically yes she does, but 99 percent of the time she agrees with whomever Parliament picks, usually the Leader of the ruling party.
However, there have been very few cases, in Australia actually, where the Queen is still Head of State where she can depose a Prime Minister and appoint or ask for a new candidate to be recommended to her.
One thing about Queen Elizabeth is she has vast powers if she chooses to use them but almost never does, no one is sure if Charles will do the same thing or not when/if he becomes King.
I agree. This might be the left's attempt to regain the foothold they lost with Johnson and Trump.
skoaldiak
WWG1WGA
This fits nicely with article/link from yesterday...
Boris Johnson is 'breathing unassisted' and does NOT have pneumonia: Downing Street say PM is 'stable' and in 'good spirits' in intensive care as he battles coronavirus
Forced to issue a statement to quash rampant speculation, the PM's spokesman said he was 'stable overnight and remains in good spirits', having received 'standard oxygen treatment'.
Mr Johnson has also not needed a mechanical ventilator despite mounting concerns over his health.
The more positive news came after Michael Gove said the premier's plight is 'truly frightening' and ministers are 'praying' for his swift recovery. Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab has been 'deputised' to take charge while he is out of action..
But there are growing concerns about the effectiveness of the government machine while the incumbent of No10 is unable to lead the crisis response.
Mr Johnson was moved to ICU at St Thomas' Hospital in central London and given oxygen last night after his health deteriorated sharply over just two hours, leaving doctors fearing he will end up needing a ventilator.
But the 55-year-old's spokesman said today: 'The Prime Minister has been stable overnight and remains in good spirits.
'He is receiving standard oxygen treatment and breathing without any other assistance. He has not required mechanical ventilation or non-invasive respiratory support.'
In a round of broadcast interviews this morning, Mr Gove played down concerns that the government will be paralysed with the leader out of action, insisting that Mr Johnson had already been on a 'stripped back diary' for days and 'Cabinet is the supreme decision making body',
However, within hours it had emerged that Mr Gove himself had also been impacted by coronavirus, as he has gone into self-isolation following a family member displaying symptoms.
New Prime Ministers usually write 'letters of last resort' to nuclear submarine captains, setting out instructions if government is wiped out by an enemy strike. But No10 said Mr Johnson's existing letters will continue to apply, rather than Mr Raab writing new ones.
MPs have raised alarm that hostile states such as Russia - which has already been accused of spreading disinformation about Mr Johnson's condition - could try to exploit Britain's 'weakness'.
General Sir Nick Carter, chief of the defence staff, said the armed forces 'work straight through to the Prime Minister', although he suggested the National Security Council (NSC) will now fill the gap.
Asked who will be in control of the nuclear deterrent and armed forces, the PM's spokesman said: 'In relation to national security matters the First Secretary of State and the Cabinet have the authority and the ability to respond in the Prime Minister's absence.'
The Queen is being kept informed about Mr Johnson's condition and has send a message of support to Mr Johnson's pregnant partner Carrie Symond and the PM's family.
But she will not grant audiences to Mr Raab while he is standing in for the premier. The monarch appoints the PM, choosing the individual who is best placed to carry a majority in the Commons.
Meanwhile, Donald Trump revealed he has offered to send Mr Johnson experimental drugs to treat his coronavirus.
As the Prime Minister was treated in hospital:
www.dailymail.co.uk
Boris Johnson is 'breathing unassisted' and does NOT have pneumonia: Downing Street say PM is 'stable' and in 'good spirits' in intensive care as he battles coronavirus
- The Prime Minister was transferred to the ICU at St Thomas' Hospital in London at 7pm yesterday evening
- He remains conscious and Number 10 sources stressed he had been moved to intensive care as a precaution
- Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab has chaired a coronavirus crisis meeting after PM ordered him to deputise
- Concerns over a power vacuum at the heart of government as the PM faces weeks out of action at least
- Questions over who has control of the nuclear deterrent and whether Mr Raab can hire and fire ministers
Forced to issue a statement to quash rampant speculation, the PM's spokesman said he was 'stable overnight and remains in good spirits', having received 'standard oxygen treatment'.
Mr Johnson has also not needed a mechanical ventilator despite mounting concerns over his health.
The more positive news came after Michael Gove said the premier's plight is 'truly frightening' and ministers are 'praying' for his swift recovery. Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab has been 'deputised' to take charge while he is out of action..
But there are growing concerns about the effectiveness of the government machine while the incumbent of No10 is unable to lead the crisis response.
Mr Johnson was moved to ICU at St Thomas' Hospital in central London and given oxygen last night after his health deteriorated sharply over just two hours, leaving doctors fearing he will end up needing a ventilator.
But the 55-year-old's spokesman said today: 'The Prime Minister has been stable overnight and remains in good spirits.
'He is receiving standard oxygen treatment and breathing without any other assistance. He has not required mechanical ventilation or non-invasive respiratory support.'
In a round of broadcast interviews this morning, Mr Gove played down concerns that the government will be paralysed with the leader out of action, insisting that Mr Johnson had already been on a 'stripped back diary' for days and 'Cabinet is the supreme decision making body',
However, within hours it had emerged that Mr Gove himself had also been impacted by coronavirus, as he has gone into self-isolation following a family member displaying symptoms.
New Prime Ministers usually write 'letters of last resort' to nuclear submarine captains, setting out instructions if government is wiped out by an enemy strike. But No10 said Mr Johnson's existing letters will continue to apply, rather than Mr Raab writing new ones.
MPs have raised alarm that hostile states such as Russia - which has already been accused of spreading disinformation about Mr Johnson's condition - could try to exploit Britain's 'weakness'.
General Sir Nick Carter, chief of the defence staff, said the armed forces 'work straight through to the Prime Minister', although he suggested the National Security Council (NSC) will now fill the gap.
Asked who will be in control of the nuclear deterrent and armed forces, the PM's spokesman said: 'In relation to national security matters the First Secretary of State and the Cabinet have the authority and the ability to respond in the Prime Minister's absence.'
The Queen is being kept informed about Mr Johnson's condition and has send a message of support to Mr Johnson's pregnant partner Carrie Symond and the PM's family.
But she will not grant audiences to Mr Raab while he is standing in for the premier. The monarch appoints the PM, choosing the individual who is best placed to carry a majority in the Commons.
Meanwhile, Donald Trump revealed he has offered to send Mr Johnson experimental drugs to treat his coronavirus.
As the Prime Minister was treated in hospital:
- A record high 854 coronavirus deaths have been announced in the UK today, taking the total to 6,227, and dashing faint hopes that the peak might have been reached;
- The Queen has sent a message to Ms Symonds and the Johnson family saying they were in her thoughts and that she wished the Prime Minister a 'full and speedy recovery';
- Aides to Mr Gove said he was following the official guidance by going into quarantine for 14 days, but was not himself feeling ill and would continue working;
- No10 chief adviser Dominic Cummings is still working from home after self-isolating just after Mr Johnson;
- The Queen has issued a message to NHS workers praising their 'selfless coommitment and diligence' as she marked World Health Day amid the coronavirus crisis;
- World leaders and politicians around the globe rallied around Mr Johnson, who received well wishers from David Cameron, Emmanuel Macron and Donald Trump;
- Health experts have warned that the PM's admission to intensive care means he is 'extremely sick' and he is 'likely' to end up needing a ventilator;
Michael Gove says Boris Johnson's intensive care battle 'frightening'
Boris Johnson was moved to ICU at St Thomas' Hospital in central London and given oxygen after his health deteriorated sharply over just two hours, leaving doctors fearing he will need a ventilator.
Blacknarwhal
Let's Go Brandon!
Boris Johnson's pregnant fiancee, children not allowed to see him during coronavirus treatment: report
British Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s pregnant fiancee and his children reportedly have been banned from seeing him as he remains in intensive care following his positive test for the coronavirus.
www.foxnews.com
Boris Johnson's pregnant fiancee, children not allowed to see him during coronavirus treatment: report
British Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s pregnant fiancee and his children reportedly have been banned from seeing him as he remains in intensive care following his positive test for the coronavirus.
Johnson was first sent to London’s St Thomas’ Hospital on Sunday and moved into its ICU the following day. As of Tuesday morning, the 55-year-old was given oxygen overnight but did not require a ventilator, Michael Gove, a senior cabinet minister said.
Johnson has been “receiving the very, very best care from the team at St Thomas’ and our hopes and prayers are with him and with his family," Gove added.
“I’m in good spirits and keeping in touch with my team, as we work together to fight this virus and keep everyone safe,” Johnson tweeted Monday in the hours before he was moved into the ICU. He has not spoken publicly since.
But while Johnson is going through this ordeal, his pregnant fiancee Carrie Symonds and the five children he has from previous relationships will not be allowed to visit per hospital policy, The Daily Mail reports.
The newspaper added that if Johnson’s health worsens and he has to be sedated and put on a ventilator, Symonds – if he chose her as his next of kin – could be asked by doctors to make decisions on his behalf.
Symonds, 32, is said to be self-isolating in London herself after becoming ill.
“I’ve spent the past week in bed with the main symptoms of Coronavirus. I haven’t needed to be tested and, after seven days of rest, I feel stronger and I’m on the mend,” she tweeted Saturday.
Waitaminnit! You're telling me the live-in partner of the Prime Minister has shown symptoms of a potentially deadly disease (while pregnant, no less!) And *they found no need to test her*!?!
Summerthyme
zookeeper9
Veteran Member
Since he tested positive they probably just presumed she had it to save the test. Do I agree, no, but consider where they are.
Here it is and look at the picture President Trump does not look happy.
Footage appears to show world leaders joking about Trump at Nato summit
Group including Macron and Johnson appear to be discussing US president
www.theguardian.com
The footage shows leaders including Boris Johnson, Justin Trudeau and Emmanuel Macron at a function at Buckingham Palace on Tuesday evening. Johnson asks Macron: “Is that why he was late?” before Trudeau interjects: “He was late because he takes a 40-minute press conference off the top”.
Trudeau adds: “Oh, yeah, yeah yeah. He announced … ” before he is cut off by Macron, who speaks animatedly to the group. Macron’s back is to the camera and his words are inaudible.
It is never said whom the group are talking about, but the exchange appears to refer to the US president, who is known for his long, rambling press conferences and who had an unscripted 50-minute back and forth with reporters on Tuesday.
As he did at last year’s Nato meeting, Trump has thrown out normal summit protocol and used his appearances with allied leaders to field dozens of questions from the world’s media.
Top of the agenda on Wednesday is Turkey’s threat to block a Nato plan for the defence of the Baltics and Poland unless Nato denounces the Syrian Kurds, and by extension endorses the Turkish incursion in October into north-east Syria.
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Leaders including Boris Johnson, Donald Trump and Recep Tayyip Erdoğan gather for the family photo at the Nato summit in London on Wednesday. Photograph: WPA Pool/Getty Images
The Queen hosted world leaders at a reception at Buckingham Palace on Tuesday night to mark 70 years of Nato cooperation, as protesters gathered outside, rallying against Trump and his perceived interest in the NHS in a US-UK trade deal and Nato.
hunybee
Veteran Member
Abe Froman
Senior Member
Does anyone on this board actually think we would be told the truth about Boris' condition in real time?
Good point
Of course not... which is why many of us are questioning the move to the ICU... I'm sipure the rules are different for heads of state, but I don't believe I've heard of that being used "just in case" before.
And if you read more closely, it sounds like he started crashing yesterday... hence the move. From various reports from doctors on the front lines for this, most who start to crash quickly don't just stabilize on their own... they end up needing a vent. Hopefully Mr Johnson is an exception.
Summerthyme
BornFree
Came This Far
They probably put him on Hydroxychloroquine imediately after he went into the hospital. But they will never tell anyone that if they are not providing it for the lowly citizens. Same deal in NYS. Could you imagine if it were announced that Cuomo's brother was given that drug while Cuomo prevents most people in the state from being able to take it. We are only told what they want us to hear.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
I didn't realize taking the HCQ/Z cure depended on one's iron levels. Can you explain?
Also, does anyone know if the socialism-based health system in GB is as opposed to this treatment (which many doctors have reported amazing results with) as the American media and left?
You know, we used to JOKE that if Trump touted a cure for cancer, the left would be angry and DEMAND their RIGHT to cancer and denounce him for it.
Well--now they ARE doing that---but in relation to CV-19, not cancer.........
CM, your answers:
Trump Offers Boris Coronavirus Drugs Not Available on NHS
James Delingpole
President Trump is so worried about the health of Prime Minister Boris Johnson — currently in intensive care with Chinese Coronavirus — that he has offered U.S. medical support.
Anyone who considers this to be overreach by Trump — doesn’t the UK have a perfectly good National Health Service already? Isn’t it known domestically as ‘the Envy of the World’? — might consider a letter that appeared over the weekend in the Sunday Telegraph, written by Dr Steven R Hopkins of Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire.
It says:
The chief medical officer, Professor Chris Whitty, has banned doctors from treating Covid-19 with anything other than paracetamol and in severe cases, oxygen.
Colleagues have rightly condemned this response, which ignores the experience of doctors overseas. Professor Whitty’s position is that British doctors may not use therapies that have not undergone double blind controlled trials here. This could condemn many thousands to avoidable death through a failure to recognise that different rules should apply when patients are dying at such a rate.
The drug hydroxychloroquine is well-known, with a well-understood side-effect profile. It is safe. It also has a recognised mode of action in preventing replication of the virus. Comparison of the death rates in South Korea and Italy strongly suggests that it works to dramatically reduce the death rate. Evidence from India is similarly encouraging.
What the letter appears to indicate is that the hidebound, overcautious, unimaginative approach of the NHS bureaucracy to the coronavirus may actually be jeopardising lives.
Though President Trump didn’t mention any specific drugs when he offered support from the U.S. it seems likely that one of the ones he had in mind was the anti-malarial drug chloroquine.
According to the Guardian, President Trump said shortly after PM Johnson was moved to intensive care:
“I’ve asked two of the leading companies … They’ve come with the solutions and just have done incredible jobs – and I’ve asked him to contact London immediately,” Trump said. “They’ve really advanced therapeutics … and they have arrived in London already. The London office has whatever they need. We’ll see if we can be of help. We’ve contacted all of Boris’s doctors, and we’ll see what is going to take place, but they are ready to go.”
“They’ve had meetings with the doctors, and we’ll see whether or not they want to go that route,” Trump added. “But when you’re in intensive care it’s a big deal. So they’re there and they’re ready.”
It’s true that the jury is still out on hydroxychloroquine’s efficacy in treating Covid-19. But it appears to have fared well in a number of small scale studies and an increasing number of doctors around the world have made it a key part of their treatment protocols.
Hydroxychloroquine — originally designed as an anti-malarial treatment – is often used in conjunction with zinc.
This is because chloroquine is a zinc ionophore – see this 2014 study by Jing Xue et al – which means it enables the body’s cells to absorb zinc. Zinc — as well as being effective in boosting the immune system — is thought to disrupt the most deadly phase of coronavirus, the cytokine storm, when the body’s immune system attacks its own healthy tissue.
Hydroxychloroquine rated 'most effective therapy' by doctors for coronavirus: Global survey – Washington Times Hydroxychloroquine rated ‘most effective therapy’ by doctors for coronavirus: Global survey @SebGorka @JamesDelingpole
— Dr Sam Pappas (@DrSamPappas) April 4, 2020
I asked a senior NHS consultant if it were really true that only paracetamol and oxygen had been permitted for use in Coronavirus treatment in the UK.
He told me: “No one I know is using chloroquine but at this rate it seems likely that we’ll be trying it on spec, without the trials. Whitty is a good doctor, for sure, and if the anecdotal/cohort study evidence mounts from elsewhere, then it will come on. The Boris situation is a test, if he does deteriorate…”
This isn’t exactly reassuring, is it? In the U.S., when President Trump heard about the potential of chloroquine as a treatment for coronavirus, he successfully called for the drug to be fast-tracked through the regulatory system. (It has been permitted as a treatment for malaria — and other conditions such as lupus — for 75 years, but obviously not for Covid-19, which didn’t exist till last year).
Britain, on the other hand, remains in thrall to its stolid, sclerotic, overcautious, unimaginative, rules-bound public health bureaucracy. In normal times, this bureaucracy was merely inefficient, wasteful, and a massive drain on the taxpayer. But in extraordinary times like these, this public health bureaucracy has become a positive menace.
When all this is over, a serious investigation needs to be conducted into the performance of the National Health Service, Public Health England, and the rest of the public health bureaucracy in this crisis. If it turns out that because of its dogged obsession with procedure and correct form it denied to dying patients basic medicine that could have saved their lives, then I hope that heads will roll and that root and branch form will be instituted.
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— Breitbart London (@BreitbartLondon) April 5, 2020
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Trump Offers Boris Coronavirus Drugs Not Available on NHS
James Delingpole
President Trump is so worried about the health of Prime Minister Boris Johnson — currently in intensive care with Chinese Coronavirus — that he has offered U.S. medical support.
Anyone who considers this to be overreach by Trump — doesn’t the UK have a perfectly good National Health Service already? Isn’t it known domestically as ‘the Envy of the World’? — might consider a letter that appeared over the weekend in the Sunday Telegraph, written by Dr Steven R Hopkins of Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire.
It says:
The chief medical officer, Professor Chris Whitty, has banned doctors from treating Covid-19 with anything other than paracetamol and in severe cases, oxygen.
Colleagues have rightly condemned this response, which ignores the experience of doctors overseas. Professor Whitty’s position is that British doctors may not use therapies that have not undergone double blind controlled trials here. This could condemn many thousands to avoidable death through a failure to recognise that different rules should apply when patients are dying at such a rate.
The drug hydroxychloroquine is well-known, with a well-understood side-effect profile. It is safe. It also has a recognised mode of action in preventing replication of the virus. Comparison of the death rates in South Korea and Italy strongly suggests that it works to dramatically reduce the death rate. Evidence from India is similarly encouraging.
What the letter appears to indicate is that the hidebound, overcautious, unimaginative approach of the NHS bureaucracy to the coronavirus may actually be jeopardising lives.
Though President Trump didn’t mention any specific drugs when he offered support from the U.S. it seems likely that one of the ones he had in mind was the anti-malarial drug chloroquine.
According to the Guardian, President Trump said shortly after PM Johnson was moved to intensive care:
“I’ve asked two of the leading companies … They’ve come with the solutions and just have done incredible jobs – and I’ve asked him to contact London immediately,” Trump said. “They’ve really advanced therapeutics … and they have arrived in London already. The London office has whatever they need. We’ll see if we can be of help. We’ve contacted all of Boris’s doctors, and we’ll see what is going to take place, but they are ready to go.”
“They’ve had meetings with the doctors, and we’ll see whether or not they want to go that route,” Trump added. “But when you’re in intensive care it’s a big deal. So they’re there and they’re ready.”
It’s true that the jury is still out on hydroxychloroquine’s efficacy in treating Covid-19. But it appears to have fared well in a number of small scale studies and an increasing number of doctors around the world have made it a key part of their treatment protocols.
Hydroxychloroquine — originally designed as an anti-malarial treatment – is often used in conjunction with zinc.
This is because chloroquine is a zinc ionophore – see this 2014 study by Jing Xue et al – which means it enables the body’s cells to absorb zinc. Zinc — as well as being effective in boosting the immune system — is thought to disrupt the most deadly phase of coronavirus, the cytokine storm, when the body’s immune system attacks its own healthy tissue.
Hydroxychloroquine rated 'most effective therapy' by doctors for coronavirus: Global survey – Washington Times Hydroxychloroquine rated ‘most effective therapy’ by doctors for coronavirus: Global survey @SebGorka @JamesDelingpole
— Dr Sam Pappas (@DrSamPappas) April 4, 2020
I asked a senior NHS consultant if it were really true that only paracetamol and oxygen had been permitted for use in Coronavirus treatment in the UK.
He told me: “No one I know is using chloroquine but at this rate it seems likely that we’ll be trying it on spec, without the trials. Whitty is a good doctor, for sure, and if the anecdotal/cohort study evidence mounts from elsewhere, then it will come on. The Boris situation is a test, if he does deteriorate…”
This isn’t exactly reassuring, is it? In the U.S., when President Trump heard about the potential of chloroquine as a treatment for coronavirus, he successfully called for the drug to be fast-tracked through the regulatory system. (It has been permitted as a treatment for malaria — and other conditions such as lupus — for 75 years, but obviously not for Covid-19, which didn’t exist till last year).
Britain, on the other hand, remains in thrall to its stolid, sclerotic, overcautious, unimaginative, rules-bound public health bureaucracy. In normal times, this bureaucracy was merely inefficient, wasteful, and a massive drain on the taxpayer. But in extraordinary times like these, this public health bureaucracy has become a positive menace.
When all this is over, a serious investigation needs to be conducted into the performance of the National Health Service, Public Health England, and the rest of the public health bureaucracy in this crisis. If it turns out that because of its dogged obsession with procedure and correct form it denied to dying patients basic medicine that could have saved their lives, then I hope that heads will roll and that root and branch form will be instituted.
Delingpole: Britain’s Bloated Health Bureaucracy Is Making a Pig’s Ear of This Crisis Britain's Health Bureaucracy is Turning Coronavirus Crisis Into Cock-Up
— Breitbart London (@BreitbartLondon) April 5, 2020
Delingpole: Trump Offers Boris Coronavirus Drugs Not Available on NHS
I wish I could say Boris Johnson was getting the best available treatment. But given that the NHS is involved, I somehow doubt it.
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CM, your answers:
Trump Offers Boris Coronavirus Drugs Not Available on NHS
James Delingpole
President Trump is so worried about the health of Prime Minister Boris Johnson — currently in intensive care with Chinese Coronavirus — that he has offered U.S. medical support.
Anyone who considers this to be overreach by Trump — doesn’t the UK have a perfectly good National Health Service already? Isn’t it known domestically as ‘the Envy of the World’? — might consider a letter that appeared over the weekend in the Sunday Telegraph, written by Dr Steven R Hopkins of Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire.
It says:
The chief medical officer, Professor Chris Whitty, has banned doctors from treating Covid-19 with anything other than paracetamol and in severe cases, oxygen.
Colleagues have rightly condemned this response, which ignores the experience of doctors overseas. Professor Whitty’s position is that British doctors may not use therapies that have not undergone double blind controlled trials here. This could condemn many thousands to avoidable death through a failure to recognise that different rules should apply when patients are dying at such a rate.
The drug hydroxychloroquine is well-known, with a well-understood side-effect profile. It is safe. It also has a recognised mode of action in preventing replication of the virus. Comparison of the death rates in South Korea and Italy strongly suggests that it works to dramatically reduce the death rate. Evidence from India is similarly encouraging.
What the letter appears to indicate is that the hidebound, overcautious, unimaginative approach of the NHS bureaucracy to the coronavirus may actually be jeopardising lives.
Though President Trump didn’t mention any specific drugs when he offered support from the U.S. it seems likely that one of the ones he had in mind was the anti-malarial drug chloroquine.
According to the Guardian, President Trump said shortly after PM Johnson was moved to intensive care:
“I’ve asked two of the leading companies … They’ve come with the solutions and just have done incredible jobs – and I’ve asked him to contact London immediately,” Trump said. “They’ve really advanced therapeutics … and they have arrived in London already. The London office has whatever they need. We’ll see if we can be of help. We’ve contacted all of Boris’s doctors, and we’ll see what is going to take place, but they are ready to go.”
“They’ve had meetings with the doctors, and we’ll see whether or not they want to go that route,” Trump added. “But when you’re in intensive care it’s a big deal. So they’re there and they’re ready.”
It’s true that the jury is still out on hydroxychloroquine’s efficacy in treating Covid-19. But it appears to have fared well in a number of small scale studies and an increasing number of doctors around the world have made it a key part of their treatment protocols.
Hydroxychloroquine — originally designed as an anti-malarial treatment – is often used in conjunction with zinc.
This is because chloroquine is a zinc ionophore – see this 2014 study by Jing Xue et al – which means it enables the body’s cells to absorb zinc. Zinc — as well as being effective in boosting the immune system — is thought to disrupt the most deadly phase of coronavirus, the cytokine storm, when the body’s immune system attacks its own healthy tissue.
Hydroxychloroquine rated 'most effective therapy' by doctors for coronavirus: Global survey – Washington Times Hydroxychloroquine rated ‘most effective therapy’ by doctors for coronavirus: Global survey @SebGorka @JamesDelingpole
— Dr Sam Pappas (@DrSamPappas) April 4, 2020
I asked a senior NHS consultant if it were really true that only paracetamol and oxygen had been permitted for use in Coronavirus treatment in the UK.
He told me: “No one I know is using chloroquine but at this rate it seems likely that we’ll be trying it on spec, without the trials. Whitty is a good doctor, for sure, and if the anecdotal/cohort study evidence mounts from elsewhere, then it will come on. The Boris situation is a test, if he does deteriorate…”
This isn’t exactly reassuring, is it? In the U.S., when President Trump heard about the potential of chloroquine as a treatment for coronavirus, he successfully called for the drug to be fast-tracked through the regulatory system. (It has been permitted as a treatment for malaria — and other conditions such as lupus — for 75 years, but obviously not for Covid-19, which didn’t exist till last year).
Britain, on the other hand, remains in thrall to its stolid, sclerotic, overcautious, unimaginative, rules-bound public health bureaucracy. In normal times, this bureaucracy was merely inefficient, wasteful, and a massive drain on the taxpayer. But in extraordinary times like these, this public health bureaucracy has become a positive menace.
When all this is over, a serious investigation needs to be conducted into the performance of the National Health Service, Public Health England, and the rest of the public health bureaucracy in this crisis. If it turns out that because of its dogged obsession with procedure and correct form it denied to dying patients basic medicine that could have saved their lives, then I hope that heads will roll and that root and branch form will be instituted.
Delingpole: Britain’s Bloated Health Bureaucracy Is Making a Pig’s Ear of This Crisis Britain's Health Bureaucracy is Turning Coronavirus Crisis Into Cock-Up
— Breitbart London (@BreitbartLondon) April 5, 2020
Delingpole: Trump Offers Boris Coronavirus Drugs Not Available on NHS
I wish I could say Boris Johnson was getting the best available treatment. But given that the NHS is involved, I somehow doubt it.
Thanks SO much!
I am especially interested in THIS part:
Hydroxychloroquine — originally designed as an anti-malarial treatment – is often used in conjunction with zinc.
This is because chloroquine is a zinc ionophore – see this 2014 study by Jing Xue et al – which means it enables the body’s cells to absorb zinc. Zinc — as well as being effective in boosting the immune system — is thought to disrupt the most deadly phase of coronavirus, the cytokine storm, when the body’s immune system attacks its own healthy tissue.
Hydroxychloroquine rated 'most effective therapy' by doctors for coronavirus: Global survey – Washington Times Hydroxychloroquine rated ‘most effective therapy’ by doctors for coronavirus: Global survey @SebGorka @JamesDelingpole
So does this mean that this drug is a DERIVATIVE of zinc, or just that it make it easier for our bodies to ABSORB zinc?
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Can't say for sure, I'm no Dr., but I have seen it mentioned and found this from the article linked below...
PCT patients with hemochromatosis are reportedly resistant to chloroquine, and are more appropriately treated by phlebotomy, considering other adverse effects of iron overload.
Low-Dose Hydroxychloroquine is as Effective as Phlebotomy in Treatment of Patients with Porphyria Cutanea Tarda
Porphyria cutanea tarda (PCT) is an iron-related disorder caused by reduced activity of hepatic uroporphyrinogen decarboxylase (UROD); it can be treated by phlebotomy or low doses of hydroxychloroquine. We performed a prospective pilot study to compare ...
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