To clarify for those of us who use the 1.87% horse paste syringe that have the notches on the plunger, each of which represent 50 lbs., 110 lbs. would be approximately 2 notches at the original “prescribed” dosage once weekly?
BRKG AUG 11 2021 Dr Cory and the FLCCC Ivermectin Team Recommended Bigger Dose of Ivermectin for Covid19 Delta Variant.
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The first time you do it, it's sort of strange. It gets normal fast. Just make sure anything you use has been distilled. Don't put tap water into your sinuses.
paul bunyan
Frostbite Falls, Minnesota
Your choice follow Dr Cory and the FLCCC or follow Summer.
This drug is very safe. They only warn about not using in the 1st trimester of pregnancy in humans. Or in dogs with a very specific genetic mutation.
If your lungs fill up with blood and pus, due to a massive cytokine storm, there is no time for your liver to poop out. You are dead.
The only way to treat the massive cytokine storm, so far, per Dr. Pierre Cory, ICU MD, is by replacing the clear part of your blood ( plasma). This is done by a technique called Plasma Pheresis.. this washes out much of the offending antibodies and cytokines from your blood. This technique is very expensive, complicated and probably not available near your bug out location... It requires very large amounts of Albumin to be replaced and it is in short supply.
You roll the dice and you take your chances... Me, I see 7's with Ivermectin
Note: Dog types with problems, detected so far.
WARNING: Dogs of some breeds do not tolerate ivermectin, other macrocyclic lactones or other drugs (e.g. emodepside) that can cross the blood-brain barrier. They can suffer more or less serious adverse effects if treated at dose rates slightly higher than the recommended ones. Consequently dosing must be as accurate as possible. This is the case for Collies and related breeds, which have a mutation in the MDR-1 gene that affects the blood-brain barrier and makes it more permeable to such compounds than in dogs without this mutation. Besides Collies, other dog breeds have shown similar problems, although the MDR-1 mutation has not been confirmed in all of them. The breeds more affected by this mutation are (% frequency): Collie (70%), Long-haired Whippet (65%), Australian Shepherd (50%, also mini), McNab (30%), Silken Windhound (30%), English Shepherd (15%), Shetland Sheepdog (15%), English Shepherd (15%), German Shepherd (10%), Herding Breed Cross (10%). Other less affected breeds are: Old English Sheepdog, Border Collie, Berger Blanc Suisse, Bobtail, Wäller. The only way to be sure that a dog is affected or not is to test for it.
This drug is very safe. They only warn about not using in the 1st trimester of pregnancy in humans. Or in dogs with a very specific genetic mutation.
If your lungs fill up with blood and pus, due to a massive cytokine storm, there is no time for your liver to poop out. You are dead.
The only way to treat the massive cytokine storm, so far, per Dr. Pierre Cory, ICU MD, is by replacing the clear part of your blood ( plasma). This is done by a technique called Plasma Pheresis.. this washes out much of the offending antibodies and cytokines from your blood. This technique is very expensive, complicated and probably not available near your bug out location... It requires very large amounts of Albumin to be replaced and it is in short supply.
You roll the dice and you take your chances... Me, I see 7's with Ivermectin
Note: Dog types with problems, detected so far.
WARNING: Dogs of some breeds do not tolerate ivermectin, other macrocyclic lactones or other drugs (e.g. emodepside) that can cross the blood-brain barrier. They can suffer more or less serious adverse effects if treated at dose rates slightly higher than the recommended ones. Consequently dosing must be as accurate as possible. This is the case for Collies and related breeds, which have a mutation in the MDR-1 gene that affects the blood-brain barrier and makes it more permeable to such compounds than in dogs without this mutation. Besides Collies, other dog breeds have shown similar problems, although the MDR-1 mutation has not been confirmed in all of them. The breeds more affected by this mutation are (% frequency): Collie (70%), Long-haired Whippet (65%), Australian Shepherd (50%, also mini), McNab (30%), Silken Windhound (30%), English Shepherd (15%), Shetland Sheepdog (15%), English Shepherd (15%), German Shepherd (10%), Herding Breed Cross (10%). Other less affected breeds are: Old English Sheepdog, Border Collie, Berger Blanc Suisse, Bobtail, Wäller. The only way to be sure that a dog is affected or not is to test for it.
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HOT OFF THE PRESS: IVERMECTIN TOXICITIES in ANIMALS and DOSES that are Safe. In English, just the Title of the Journal is in Spanish??
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Acute Toxicity of Ivermectin (LD50 = lethal dose in 50% of the subjects/ animals)
Edited to add by OP: Are you a Dog with a genetic defect or are you a Pig
Yes Yes Yes..... be very careful giving Ivermectin to any dog that has a very specific genetic mutation, see below.
IVERMECTIN: SAFETY SUMMARY for VETERINARY use in Dogs, Cats, Cattle, Sheep, Goats, Swine, Horses &Poultry.
Poisoning, intoxication, overdose, antidote
WHO Acute Hazard classification: Not listed
Mechanism of Action of Ivermectin
As all macrocyclic lactones, ivermectin acts as agonist of the GABA (gamma-aminobutyric acid) neurotransmitter in nerve cells and also binds to glutamate-gated chloride channels in nerve and muscle cells of invertebrates. In both cases it blocks the transmission of neuronal signals of the parasites, which are paralyzed and expelled out of the body, or they starve. It also affects the reproduction of some parasites by diminishing oviposition or inducing an abnormal oogenesis.
In mammals the GABA receptors occur only in the central nervous system (CNS), i.e. in the brain and the spinal chord. But mammals have a so-called blood-brain barrier that prevents microscopic objects and large molecules to get into the brain. Consequently macrocyclic lactones are much less toxic to mammals than to parasites without such a barrier, which allows quite high safety margins for use on livestock and pets. A notable exception to this are dog breeds that carry the MDR-1 gene defect (see later).
Ivermectin Dosing
Dogs without MDR-1 gene defect
Toxic Symptoms caused by Ivermectin Poisoning
General symptoms
Ivermectin Side Effects, Adverse Drug Reactions (ADRs) and Warnings
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IVERMECTIN: SAFETY SUMMARY for VETERINARY use in Dogs, Cats, Cattle, Sheep, Goats, Swine, Horses &Poultry. Poisoning, intoxication, overdose, antidote
SAFETY SUMMARY of IVERMECTIN for VETERINARY use in DOGS, CATS, CATTLE, SHEEP, GOATS, SWINE, HORSES and POULTRY. Poisoning, intoxication, intolerance, overdose, symptoms, signs, toxicity, safety margin, antidote, contamination, pollution, side effects, adverse drug reactions, poison...
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Acute Toxicity of Ivermectin (LD50 = lethal dose in 50% of the subjects/ animals)
- LD50 acute, mice, p.o. 25 mg/kg WOW
- LD50 acute, rat, p.o. 50 mg/kg
- LD50 acute, rat: dermal >600 mg/kg WOW WOW
- LD50 acute, dog without MDR-1 gene defect: p.o. 80 mg/kg
- LD50 acute, dog with MDR-1 gene defect: p.o. 0.2 mg/kg (sad, but they are not humans)
Edited to add by OP: Are you a Dog with a genetic defect or are you a Pig
Yes Yes Yes..... be very careful giving Ivermectin to any dog that has a very specific genetic mutation, see below.
IVERMECTIN: SAFETY SUMMARY for VETERINARY use in Dogs, Cats, Cattle, Sheep, Goats, Swine, Horses &Poultry.
Poisoning, intoxication, overdose, antidote
WHO Acute Hazard classification: Not listed
Mechanism of Action of Ivermectin
As all macrocyclic lactones, ivermectin acts as agonist of the GABA (gamma-aminobutyric acid) neurotransmitter in nerve cells and also binds to glutamate-gated chloride channels in nerve and muscle cells of invertebrates. In both cases it blocks the transmission of neuronal signals of the parasites, which are paralyzed and expelled out of the body, or they starve. It also affects the reproduction of some parasites by diminishing oviposition or inducing an abnormal oogenesis.
In mammals the GABA receptors occur only in the central nervous system (CNS), i.e. in the brain and the spinal chord. But mammals have a so-called blood-brain barrier that prevents microscopic objects and large molecules to get into the brain. Consequently macrocyclic lactones are much less toxic to mammals than to parasites without such a barrier, which allows quite high safety margins for use on livestock and pets. A notable exception to this are dog breeds that carry the MDR-1 gene defect (see later).
Ivermectin Dosing
- Click here to view the article on Ivermectin dose for Dogs
- Click here to view the article on Ivermectin Dose for Cats
- Click here to view the article on Ivermectin dose for Horses, Cattle, Sheep, Goats, Swine, Poultry, etc.
- LD50 acute, mice, p.o. 25 mg/kg WOW
- LD50 acute, rat, p.o. 50 mg/kg
- LD50 acute, rat: dermal >600 mg/kg WOW WOW
- LD50 acute, dog without MDR-1 gene defect: p.o. 80 mg/kg
- LD50 acute, dog with MDR-1 gene defect: p.o. 0.2 mg/kg (sad, but they are not humans)
Dogs without MDR-1 gene defect
- Safety margin: ~4
- After single dose delivery, oral
- 2.0 mg/kg: usually without neurotoxic symptoms
- 2.5 mg/kg: mydriasis (dilatation of the pupils)
- 5.0 mg/kg: mydriasis, tremor (uncoordinated trembling or shaking movements)
- 10 mg/kg: mydriasis, serious tremor, ataxia (uncoordinated movements)
- 40 mg/kg: coma (persistence unconsciousness), death possible
- Daily oral administration during 14 days
- 0.5 mg/kg/day: usually without symptoms
- 1.0 mg/kg/day: mydriasis (dilatation of the pupils)
- Single subcutaneous injection
- 4.7 mg/kg: mydriasis (dilatation of the pupils), salivation
- 9.7 mg/kg: ataxia (uncoordinated movements), depression, death
- Lowest single oral dose without symptoms: 0.06 mg/kg (= 60 mcg/kg)
- Doses > 0.1 mg/kg (= 100 mcg/kg) cause massive neurological symptoms: mydriasis (dilatation of the pupils), tremor (uncoordinated trembling or shaking movements), ataxia (uncoordinated movements), vomit
- Doses > 0.15 mg/kg (= 150 mcg/kg) cause comatose state and possible death
- Cats, including exotic breeds (e.g. Siamese, Persian) usually tolerate well doses up to 1 mg/kg. But cat intoxications have also been reported.
- Oral pastes for horses are not recommended at > 0.5 mg/kg.
- Cattle tolerate ivermectin very well.
- The therapeutic margin or index is ~30.
- Well tolerated doses:
- Single subcutaneous injection: up to 6 mg/kg
- Single oral administration: up to 2 mg/kg
- Daily oral administration: up to 1.2 mg/kg x 3 days
- Doses that cause neurological symptoms:
- Single oral dose: 4 mg/kg
- Single subcutaneous injection: 8 mg/kg
- Sheep tolerate ivermectin very well.
- The safety margin is ~30.
- Doses of up to 4.0 mg/kg do not cause clinical symptoms.
- Swine tolerate ivermectin very well.
- Doses 10 a 50 times higher than the therapeutic dose of 0.3 mg/kg (single subcutaneous injection) caused no toxic symptoms.
- A single subcutaneous injection of 30 mg/kg (100 times the therapeutic dose) causes lethargy, ataxia (uncoordinated movements), mydriasis (dilatation of the pupils) and tremor (uncoordinated trembling or shaking movements).
- Horses tolerate ivermectin very well.
- The safety margin is ~10.
- Orals doses of 1.2 and 1.8 mg/kg were well tolerated.
- Oral doses of 2 mg/kg during 2 consecutive days causes slight ataxia (uncoordinated movements), depression and apparent blindness.
- Oral doses from 3 to 6 mg/kg (15 to 30 x the therapeutic dose of 0.2 mg/kg) caused mydriasis (dilatation of the pupils) and loss of ocular reflexes.
- Most poultry species tolerate ivermectin quite well.
- However, some birds (parakeets, parrots, canaries, finches, etc.) do not tolerate ivermectin. Ivermectin spot-ons are particularly dangerous.
Toxic Symptoms caused by Ivermectin Poisoning
General symptoms
- The symptoms of ivermectin poisoning are the consequence of an excessive concentration of the molecule in the CNS (Central Nervous System) and the subsequent increase of GABA activity. Ivermectin stimulates the release of the GABA neurotransmitter (gamma-Aminobutyric acid) in the presynaptic neurons and enhances its postsynaptic binding to its receptors. This increases the flow of chloride ions in the neurons, which causes hyperpolarization of the cell membranes. This on its turn disturbs normal nervous functions and causes a general blockage of the stimulus mechanisms in the CNS. The resulting cerebral and cortical deficits include mainly
- Ataxia (uncoordinated movements)
- Hypermetria (excessive or disproportionate movements)
- Disorientation
- Hyperesthesia (excessive reaction to tactile stimuli)
- Tremor (uncoordinated trembling or shaking movements)
- Mydriasis (dilatation of the pupils); in cattle and cats also myosis (contraction of the pupils)
- Recumbency (inability to rise)
- Depression
- Blindness
- Coma (persistence unconsciousness)
- As a general rule, young animals are more sensitive to overdosing, react stronger and prognosis is worse than for adult animals.
- Besides erroneous dosing, overdosing can occur due to excessive licking after pour-on delivery to livestock (usually licking of other animals in the same herd) or spot-on delivery to dogs and cats (particularly in cats due to intense grooming).
- Frequent administration errors in livestock include intramuscular or intravenous instead of subcutaneous injection. This results in excessive blood levels. Another frequent error is repeated unintended treatment in short intervals due to animal mistaking.
- A frequent administration error in dogs is partial administrating to small dogs of tablets or spot-ons approved for large animals.
- A frequent administration error in cats is partial administration to cats of tablets or spot-ons approved only for dogs.
- In dogs without the MDR-1 gene defect, the dominant poisoning symptom is extreme mydriasis (dilatation of the pupils) together with incomplete and deregulated pupillary reflex. Mydriasis in both eyes is the most sensitive indicator of ivermectin intoxication and the most frequent symptom in dogs.
- At higher doses and in dogs with the MDR-1 gene defect other symptoms have been observed as well: weakness, lethargy, hypothermia (too low body temperature), hypersalivation (drooling), vomit, difficult breathing, behavioral disturbances, confusion, seizure, death.
- Symptoms develop usually 5 to 24 hours after treatment and can last for several days until coma. As a general rule, poisoning is more serious and prognosis is worse if the symptoms develop faster.
- Poisoning symptoms in cats resemble those in dogs. Additional symptoms reported are diarrhea, anorexia (lack of appetite), posterior paralysis, disturbed or lacking reflexes.
- As a general rule neurological symptoms in cats tend to recede in the days following poisoning and most cats recover within 2 to 4 weeks.
- Most frequent symptoms in cattle are general depression of the CNS (Central Nervous System), including deafness and ataxia (uncoordinated movements).
- Calves can show poisoning symptoms at doses only 3 x the therapeutic dose. They include ataxia (uncoordinated movements), hypermetria (excessive or disproportionate movements) and tremor (uncoordinated trembling or shaking movements). Colics have also been reported. Deaths cannot be excluded.
- Those general symptoms previously described.
- In birds intoxicated with ivermectin lethargy and anorexia (lack of appetite) have been reported.
Ivermectin Side Effects, Adverse Drug Reactions (ADRs) and Warnings
- Due to lack of data and the higher susceptibility in young animals it is advisable not to administer cattle and horses younger than 4 months, as well as puppies and kittens younger than 6 weeks.
- Due to lack of date it is also advisable not to administer ivermectin to pregnant sows before the 40th day of gestation, and to pregnant mares before the 45th day of gestation.
- After ivermectin injection a painful and rather large swelling may develop at the injection site. It usually recedes in a few days.
- In horses, the risk of Chlostridium infection after injection is particularly high. If left untreated such infections are fatal. However it is not related to ivermectin, but to the use of contaminated needles. For this reason in most countries ivermectin for horses is usually available only as oral paste and not as an injectable.
- In dogs and cats administration of spot-ons can cause a reversible skin irritation. Alopecia (hair loss) and squamation (appearance of skin scales) have also been reported.
- Never use spot-ons or tablets for dogs on cats, and never use spot-ons or tablets for large dogs on small dogs. It happens that some users want to save money buying large tablets or spot-ons for treating smaller dogs (or even cats!) twice or more times. The risk of overdosing is considerable, either due to erroneous calculations or to unskilled manipulation. In addition, dog medicines may sometimes contain ingredients that are toxic to cats.
- . The breeds more affected by this mutation are (% frequency): Collie (70%), Long-haired Whippet (65%), Australian Shepherd (50%, also mini), McNab (30%), Silken Windhound (30%), English Shepherd (15%), Shetland Sheepdog (15%), English Shepherd (15%), German Shepherd (10%), Herding Breed Cross (10%). Other less affected breeds are: Old English Sheepdog, Border Collie, Berger Blanc Suisse, Bobtail, Wäller. The only way to be sure that a dog is affected or not is to test for it. As more dogs are tested it is likely that the mutation is discovered in other breeds, or that the frequencies change.
- Complications in dogs, cats and horses due to Dirofilariasis
- Most products with ivermectin and other macrocyclic lactones are effective against heartworm larvae in the blood. Heartworm infection (Dirofilaria spp) is a common disease in dogs in regions with hot or mild weather. The disease is called dirofilariasis and is transmitted by mosquitoes. It is less frequent in cold regions but can occur there as well. Cats and horses can be affected too. Heartworm preventatives hinder larvae (microfilariae) in the pet's blood to develop to adult worms. The sudden death of microfilariae releases enormous amounts of allergens that can cause an allergic shock. The following symptoms may develop about 5 hours after treatment: pale mucosae, tachypnea (rapid breathing), dispnea (difficult breathing), vomit, weak and accelerated pulse, weakness, fever and ataxia (uncoordinated movements). Therapy requires shock treatment, including administration of corticosteroids and fluid supply.
- Another possible complication is that treatment at the therapeutic dose against microfilariae can also kill some adult worms, if not all. Now, dead adult worms or their rests in the heart or in the pulmonary artery can physically obstruct the pulmonary blood vessels with the consequent damage to the lungs, which can be fatal. This means that any dog that is treated with a macrocyclic lactone should be checked for already existing heartworm infection. If the check is positive, the heartworm infection has to be treated with other specific heartworm products under strict supervision of a veterinary doctor.
- It has been reported that off-label administration of micellar formulations of ivermectin can cause anaphylactic reactions in dogs. Ivermectin is not the cause of such reactions but polysorbate 80 (= Tween 80) one of the formulation ingredients.
- In horses, allergic reactions with ventral midline pruritus (=itching) and edema (swelling) are often reported. They are mostly due to the sudden death of microfilariae of Onchocerca spp after treatment. Left untreated swelling recedes in 5 to 10 days and itching in about 3 weeks.
- Unless prescribed by a veterinary doctor, never use on dogs or cats products for livestock that are not explicitly approved for such use. There is a high risk of overdosing or of adverse drug reactions due to ingredients that are not tolerated by pets or are even toxic to them.
- There is no antidote for ivermectin poisoning.
- Treatment consists in supportive and symptomatic measures.
- Most patients recover in 7 to 10 days, but recovery of comatose patients usually needs longer.
- Administration of supplemental electrolytic solutions (intravenously if required)
- Keeping the animals warm
- Frequent turning of recumbent patients
- Corneal protection with adequate ocular ointment
- Artificial feeding (intravenous or with feeding tube)
- Mechanical respiration in case of severe breathing disturbance.
- If intoxication followed oral administration induce vomiting, gastric lavage, and charcoal administration are often indicated.
- In case of bradycardia (low resting heart rate) administration of glycopyrrolate (0,01 mg/kg s.c.). Glycopyrrolate is a muscarinic antagonist. It is preferred over atropine because it does not cross the blood-brain barrier.
- Physostigmine improves the condition of affected dogs very quickly, already 1 minute after injection of 1 mg. It is a reversible acetylcholinestrase inhibitor but is not an ivermectin antidote and must not be the only measure for treating ivermectin intoxication.
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paul bunyan
Frostbite Falls, Minnesota
The Snowball has formed and is starting to move down hill. Just need to Crush Fowchee, the FDA, CDC and the WHo on its way down the hill ( Snowball = Ivermectin )
Haruo Ozaki, Chairman of the Tokyo Metropolitan Medical Association
Chairman Ozaki "The whole country is hit by a disaster" and a sense of crisis
August 13, 2021 17:07
Haruo Ozaki, Chairman of the Tokyo Metropolitan Medical Association
Haruo Ozaki, chairman of the Tokyo Metropolitan Medical Association, held an emergency press conference on the 13th, saying that the number of people infected with the new coronavirus has increased rapidly. I can't say that. "
[Related article] Congested around the Olympic venue ... Governor Koike dismissed the expert's point "You mentioned in the impression theory" Since
18,000 new infected people are reported daily, "it will be ranked high in the world" It is also true that the number of deaths is small. I would like to deal with it again with a sense of crisis. "
The average number of newly infected people in Tokyo for 7 days was 3934 per day as of the 11th, which is about twice that of 2 weeks ago. "It's really normal people, and they're getting more and more infected. It's not the stage to think that it's a disease only for those who go out to play at night," he said.
He said the medical field was full and appealed to the government, "I want you to show a clear exit strategy." Based on the fact that the infection is spreading beyond the metropolitan areas, "The situation is that the whole country is suffering from disasters. No one will listen to me, so I will come up with a new policy. "
Regarding the antiparasitic drug "ivermectin", it shows the number of infections and deaths of the new corona in a country that is prophylactically administered for another disease in Africa. It is necessary to thoroughly study the clinical trial, but it seems that we are at the stage where it is okay to have the patient give an informed outlet and get permission to use it. "
Haruo Ozaki, Chairman of the Tokyo Metropolitan Medical Association
Chairman Ozaki "The whole country is hit by a disaster" and a sense of crisis
August 13, 2021 17:07
Haruo Ozaki, Chairman of the Tokyo Metropolitan Medical Association
Haruo Ozaki, chairman of the Tokyo Metropolitan Medical Association, held an emergency press conference on the 13th, saying that the number of people infected with the new coronavirus has increased rapidly. I can't say that. "
[Related article] Congested around the Olympic venue ... Governor Koike dismissed the expert's point "You mentioned in the impression theory" Since
18,000 new infected people are reported daily, "it will be ranked high in the world" It is also true that the number of deaths is small. I would like to deal with it again with a sense of crisis. "
The average number of newly infected people in Tokyo for 7 days was 3934 per day as of the 11th, which is about twice that of 2 weeks ago. "It's really normal people, and they're getting more and more infected. It's not the stage to think that it's a disease only for those who go out to play at night," he said.
He said the medical field was full and appealed to the government, "I want you to show a clear exit strategy." Based on the fact that the infection is spreading beyond the metropolitan areas, "The situation is that the whole country is suffering from disasters. No one will listen to me, so I will come up with a new policy. "
Regarding the antiparasitic drug "ivermectin", it shows the number of infections and deaths of the new corona in a country that is prophylactically administered for another disease in Africa. It is necessary to thoroughly study the clinical trial, but it seems that we are at the stage where it is okay to have the patient give an informed outlet and get permission to use it. "
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Frostbite Falls, Minnesota
Bump for the night crew
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Frostbite Falls, Minnesota
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Frostbite Falls, Minnesota
Sorry for bitchin... Will take something relaxing and take a nap
Let the thread live on.................................................................
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Tristan
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paul bunyan
Frostbite Falls, Minnesota
Thanks for asking and your positive support.
I strongly disagreed with Summerthyme about Ivermectin dosing.
Now this thread is dead.
I will gladly send the latest Ivermectin dosing to anyones PM if you like.. I am very tired, been at this for 18 months.
tristan, you are one of the few that even remembers My efforts. Most think its all BS. Peace and Out
After a brief chat with a kind person, I will not ask for the thread to be locked ( heh cannot be deleted anyway)
Come on you silent chatters... Atleast give me some good flames !!!!! or not........meds kicking in, I will sleeeeeeeee
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I use the NeilMed squeeze bottle nose rinse, you can get a little pressure with it to push past blocks.
It can be hours later.. and I'll get a sudden gush of water run out out my nose, all down the front of my shirt, that bottle is pushing rinse half way around the backside of my brain!
Its awesome!
You could put whatever you want into that bottle, iodine, bourbon....
It can be hours later.. and I'll get a sudden gush of water run out out my nose, all down the front of my shirt, that bottle is pushing rinse half way around the backside of my brain!
Its awesome!
You could put whatever you want into that bottle, iodine, bourbon....
PB has dug up a lot of good reference material.
He agreed to not lock it yet.
Summerthyme's recommendations are conservative and cautious. Not a bad thing, IMO.
Everybody here should be digesting all the available info before making decisions.
My vet, who is an older and very pragmatic type, said of using ivermec for canine heartworm preventative..."Meh, you should be OK. It's hard to overdose with it". He said that knowing that I would apply a modicum of common sense.
He agreed to not lock it yet.
Summerthyme's recommendations are conservative and cautious. Not a bad thing, IMO.
Everybody here should be digesting all the available info before making decisions.
My vet, who is an older and very pragmatic type, said of using ivermec for canine heartworm preventative..."Meh, you should be OK. It's hard to overdose with it". He said that knowing that I would apply a modicum of common sense.
Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
I use the NeilMed squeeze bottle nose rinse, you can get a little pressure with it to push past blocks.
It can be hours later.. and I'll get a sudden gush of water run out out my nose, all down the front of my shirt, that bottle is pushing rinse half way around the backside of my brain!
Its awesome!
You could put whatever you want into that bottle, iodine, bourbon....
Those things work wonders.
I use the saline packs and warm in the microwave.
Until your nostrils get used to it, don't make it too warm but warmer as you do it more often
blindhog
Flats Captain
I just got the 1% sterile solution bottle. My buddy, the county coroner, was told to take the first 2 doses then no more for 6 months, by a Dr. I looked on a chart I found in the covid room and it says every 2 weeks, when exposed, I think I understood that. So my question is for a prevention mode dose, how often?
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Summerthyme certainly isn't wrong to bring a note of caution when it comes to playing doctor with yourself and self administering a prescription medicine. IVM is generally safe and effective but you still have to read up on all the contraindications, understand the dosing and how to measure it out, ect. I know she certainly isn't against using Ivermectin.
There is a lot of press using examples of people that overdosed themselves with supplements or prescription medicines and use that to bash those of us over the head who are careful and cautious. If your going to be your own doctor then you have to do the doctor's legwork to make sure that what you are doing isn't going to cause you problems down the road or interfere with any other meds your taking. There are people that will squeeze a whole tube of this stuff in their mouth when it's meant for a 1200 lb horse so you have to be careful.
And certainly thanks to all that contribute valuable information to these threads.
intothatgoodnight
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All good points, Hfcomms - Summerthyme's comments, too.
It APPEARS that Ivermectin is one of those pharmaceuticals that does not overdose, easily.
One can take a dose that is 20%+ higher than what may be recommended, with little to no side-effect, according to what I have been reading - assuming all other things are equal, and there are no other pre-existing health/medication issues to consider.
Repeated dosing is a bit dicier, per se, because of how Ivermectin will build up in one's system after repeated daily dosing (for example), but take one's body a couple weeks+ to reduce down/eliminate - Ivermectin hangs around the body for a while. Pay attention to the number and dose amount of back-to-back daily dosing when using Ivermectin - like any drug, let caution be your guide as we ALL read about other user's particular dosing sched/amount versus how their body tolerated such.
No chowing down on a whole tube of Ivermectin horse paste in one sitting.
intothegoodnight
intothatgoodnight
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A "whole tube" of Ivermectin paste might be better served in a guacamole dipping sauce . . .
Just sayin' . . .
intothegoodnight
Paul Bunyan thanks for this post, follow the FLCCC and knew they were changing the protocol but I hadn't seen it yet until you posted.
I appreciate the thread.
intothatgoodnight
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Sorta like those clearly suspect brownies that the same questionable folks would ALWAYS scarf down - batch, after batch.
intothegoodnight
paul bunyan
Frostbite Falls, Minnesota
The Political Pill for COVID – InsideSources
During a conversation hosted by the Center for Strategic and International Studies, Dr. Anthony Fauci spoke longingly of a pill that could beat COVID-19.
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The Political Pill for COVID
Posted to Politics August 18, 2021 by Pierre Kory, MD
During a conversation hosted by the Center for Strategic and International Studies, Dr. Anthony Fauci spoke longingly of a pill that could beat COVID-19. “Give me that and I’ll be really happy,” he said.
Good news, Dr. Fauci: one already exists. It’s called ivermectin. Now if only health organizations would let doctors use it and the media would stop censoring those arguing its promise.
In clinical trials, this orally administered drug reduced transmission of the virus and prevented deaths among those infected with it. Ivermectin quickened their recovery time too. These results are drawn from numerous studies conducted across the world. I’ve carefully analyzed them with a team of physician-scientists and published meta-analyses. Digging into those numbers, our research shows a striking 65-75 percent reduction in mortality among COVID-19 patients treated with the drug.
It’s not only effective. Ivermectin, originally approved to fight parasitic infections in the early 1980s, has since gone off-patent. Generics are readily available. So it’s both safe and inexpensive.
And it’s already being put to use against COVID-19. Ivermectin is approved in Bulgaria and Slovakia. It’s also reducing deaths in parts of India, Mexico, Peru, and Bolivia among other nations.
Pharmaceutical companies like Merck have downplayed ivermectin’s potential. They, along with Pfizer, are developing their own COVID pills. Former government officials such as Dr. Scott Gottlieb are cheering them on in the search for a new patented oral therapy
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What’s clear though 20 months into this pandemic that we must use every weapon at our disposal to stop the virus. Yes, we must follow the science. But that means actually reassessing and reconsidering treatment options as our understanding of COVID-19 continues to grow.
Early in the pandemic, the World Health Organization and the Food and Drug Administration warned against using steroids to treat those stricken with COVD-19. But those of us who were working with patients on the frontlines saw how effective they were in turning back the virus. Today, both agencies recommend using steroids.
The point here is not to chide those organizations but to stress that the discovery of new answers hinges on our willingness to have our previous assumptions proven wrong, to welcome open dialogue about what works and what doesn’t.
That’s not happening now. In fact, the opposite is.
Frontiers in Pharmacology accepted our peer-reviewed paper on the drug only to later reject it because of an anonymous claim that our research was unsupported.
A video of my Senate testimony supporting the use of ivermectin, which had over 8 million views, was yanked by YouTube. The platform has flagged any talk highlighting the evidence-based effectiveness of the drug as “medical misinformation.”
Evolutionary biologist Bret Weinstein, on whose Darkhouse podcast I have appeared, was demonetized for discussing ivermectin.
We have reached the point where institutions are shutting down evidence-informed conversations about how to address rapidly evolving medical emergencies. This censorship isn’t fitting of a democracy, and it should outrage those who claim to support for science.
Tremendous progress has been made in our understanding of and ability to stop COVID-19. But many people are still resisting vaccination. The delta variant has spiked infection and hospitalization rates. Governments can resort to vaccine mandates or passports or even reinstate lockdowns. These, though, are deeply divisive measures that will require great resources and come with economic and social consequences.
Given this, why are we not giving doctors and patients access to a drug that has the documented ability to treat and stop COVID-19? And one that can also help relieve the stress our supply chain will feel as it eventually distributes booster shots for existing vaccines?
The National Institutes of Health should recommend ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 and do its part to raise awareness of the drug as an option for patients. If Dr. Fauci is true to his word, that will make him very happy. And, more importantly, it will save lives and help us end this pandemic.
About the Author
Pierre Kory, MD
Pierre Kory, MD, is president and chief medical officer of the Front-Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance. He wrote this for InsideSources.
Dh's doctor, who had him taking the original every two weeks FLCCC protocol, e-mailed him the revised paper a while back and said to go to once a week. However, last week he told dh *not* to go to twice a week, that it can cause problems with __________. (Dh doesn't quite remember that part...LOL! I will have him ask at his next appointment.)
Mary Contrary
Inactive
I didn't know that!!
Mary Contrary
Inactive
Yes. I weigh 130 and do 2 notches, but which one is the "notch"? Is it the raised bump or the indented bump???
Mary Contrary
Inactive
Mary Contrary
Inactive
Once a wk? Or once a month??? Are we to up it to once a wk?
bw
Fringe Ranger
You tilt your head back and pour into your nose, or you use a squeeze bottle with a wide tapering nozzle that makes a nice seal with your nose. I recommend the squeeze bottle, but many people use a ceramic pot. If you use the squeeze bottle you can lean over a sink, put it on one nostril, and the water flows through and out the other nostril. Works great.
The reason for distilling everything is that there are bacteria that can infect your brain from your nose. Major danger in some river systems. Could be in your well or tap water, depending on where you are.
nomifyle
TB Fanatic
So in the next day or so I'll be driving 50 miles to a TSC that has ivernectin horse paste in stock. We have not been taking any and when I get it I will be very very careful about taking it. We are not sick, have not been sick but want to err on the side of caution. It was 6.41 a tube and I ordered four. Amazon had them starting at $31 a tube. I can't pay that kind of money.
God is good all the time
Judy
God is good all the time
Judy
bw
Fringe Ranger
Good price. Get twice as much.
I use the NeilMed squeeze bottle nose rinse, you can get a little pressure with it to push past blocks.
It can be hours later.. and I'll get a sudden gush of water run out out my nose, all down the front of my shirt, that bottle is pushing rinse half way around the backside of my brain!
Its awesome!
You could put whatever you want into that bottle, iodine, bourbon....
I was going to say a beer.
Shake a can of beer (Min. 4% alcohol)
Pop tab, hold up to one nostril, while closing the other. Wowie
that would be something to see!
And the carbonation would get it all way the hell up.
LOL
OMG
That got so far up, his eyes would be floating! .... oh hey wait, you don't suppose that's where the phrase came from do ya?
paul bunyan
Frostbite Falls, Minnesota
Hey double A, Kfhunter and intothat good night.
You are some kind of jackasses..
And of course, Go F your selves.
You are some kind of jackasses..
And of course, Go F your selves.
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paul bunyan
Frostbite Falls, Minnesota
Smiles and winks added Dear Lady. Sorry for the oversight.