As a Life Long Republican, I Will Not Vote For Romney

[Tollwatch]

For this election cycle I am voting for Romney...


So nothing substantive. You'll talk and you'll talk, but you don't have the stones to make your mark in a meaningful way.

Fine. So be it. You're part of the problem then, by your own admission.

You got me there.. gosh. I'm impressed!

 

[Ender]

Bottom line Ender is that I am not going to argue the past with you and I don't care about labels.

I do know that "O" is a clear and present danger to the republic and needs to be removed from office. Everybody needs to quit quibbling about labels and get behind a movement to return the US to a constitutional republic. That's really the essence of the matter, to return us to a lawful constitutional form of government.

We can bicker about this nit-node crap till the cows come home and all awhile those rat bastards will advance their agenda!

Its clear to me what I gotta do and I'm going to replace "O" with Romney. Is Romney the answer? no! but at least it gives the liberty movement more time to educate the apathetic/ignorant electorate.

Name me any of O's clear agenda that Bush didn't do? Or that Romney won't do? Do you have any idea of the illegal shenanigans that his people pulled during the RNC?

As for voting- I'm thinking that George Carlin had it right:

"I have solved this political dilemma in a very direct way: I don't vote. On Election Day, I stay home. I firmly believe that if you vote, you have no right to complain. Now, some people like to twist that around. They say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain,' but where's the logic in that? If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they get into office and screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote — who did not even leave the house on Election Day — am in no way responsible for what these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess that you created."

— George Carlin

 

[Thomas Paine]

Name me any of O's clear agenda that Bush didn't do? Or that Romney won't do? Do you have any idea of the illegal shenanigans that his people pulled during the RNC?

As for voting- I'm thinking that George Carlin had it right:

"I have solved this political dilemma in a very direct way: I don't vote. On Election Day, I stay home. I firmly believe that if you vote, you have no right to complain. Now, some people like to twist that around. They say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain,' but where's the logic in that? If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they get into office and screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote — who did not even leave the house on Election Day — am in no way responsible for what these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess that you created."

— George Carlin

George Carlin was funny but he was an liberal doped up ass. People have spilled thier blood in war, in the streets of this nation during the civil rights era for the franchise, and you in your infinite wisdom like a spoiled child have decided that we have it all wrong to participate in the system.No the real way is to stand back and not participate not try and do what little you can. You like to talk a good game but when it comes down to it Ender you are no different than an other child who doesn't get their way.The rest of the world is wrong and they are right not being given their due. Why don't you put a Guy Fawkes mask on and go play in the streets with the rest of the children.

 

[Dennis Olson]

for Tollwatch:

If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they get into office and screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You voted them in. You caused the problem.

You already stated that this is exactly what you intend to do.

 

[Ender]

George Carlin was funny but he was an liberal doped up ass. People have spilled thier blood in war, in the streets of this nation during the civil rights era for the franchise, and you in your infinite wisdom like a spoiled child have decided that we have it all wrong to participate in the system.No the real way is to stand back and not participate not try and do what little you can. You like to talk a good game but when it comes down to it Ender you are no different than an other child who doesn't get their way.The rest of the world is wrong and they are right not being given their due. Why don't you put a Guy Fawkes mask on and go play in the streets with the rest of the children.

You want to call names? You are a blind washed-out neocon who worships the system and thinks America should be the Empire. Why don't you wake up to the fact that all you think is true is really nothing but pure bullshit.

And a Guy Fawkes mask might be good for you- teach you to look at things differently- maybe even see some truth.

 

[Laurane]

Gee seems like there are a few more trollies still working on this thread - saying the same thing over and over and still calling names. Don't they get hammered too?

 

[Thomas Paine]

You want to call names? You are a blind washed-out neocon who worships the system and thinks America should be the Empire. Why don't you wake up to the fact that all you think is true is really nothing but pure bullshit.

And a Guy Fawkes mask might be good for you- teach you to look at things differently- maybe even see some truth.

Kid I've seen more truth in one day of my life than you could handle in ten years. You really need to wipe the glow and shine from your eyes, focus on the doable , and move out smartly. And please get it right I was and still am a paleo con not a neo con. Jeeze can we get a better class of bright eyed bushy tailed gonna change the world types around here.

 

[Ranger]

All: if you will? Post #239 page 6. This one's got me stirred
a bit. But saying that, given the context of what I and
others are dealing with in WA State; need some feedback
please. This is difficult at best. Thanks in advance.

Ranger

 

[Thomas Paine]

All: if you will? Post #239 page 6. This one's got me stirred
a bit. But saying that, given the context of what I and
others are dealing with in WA State; need some feedback
please. This is difficult at best. Thanks in advance.

Ranger

It is a possibility.

 

[Gercarson]

Kid I've seen more truth in one day of my life than you could handle in ten years. You really need to wipe the glow and shine from your eyes, focus on the doable , and move out smartly. And please get it right I was and still am a paleo con not a neo con. Jeeze can we get a better class of bright eyed bushy tailed gonna change the world types around here.

It does seem to be a real problem here - but notice the cheerleading squad.

 

[Ranger]

TP, thanks. Wouldn't put it past this Administration.
Maximum cognitive dissonance comes to mind. All the more
that Senate races are where it's at. As an understatement,
our nation is in the "fight of our lives" or maybe just maybe
this is all theatrics?

Ranger
* I shutter to think of this potentiality.

 

[Tollwatch]

Name me any of O's clear agenda that Bush didn't do? Or that Romney won't do? Do you have any idea of the illegal shenanigans that his people pulled during the RNC?

Of course I know what went on to torpedo Paul but you know, a person needs to step back and evaluate options on the table. With Paul out and the train in full motion Romney is all you have. Its either “O” or Romney. If you cannot wrap your head around the threat that “O” represent to this nation then there is no point in reading further.

To restate my position, I believe “O” hates America and is a clear and present danger to the security of this country and wants to reduce us to 2nd world status. Romney and his corporate buddies including the military industrial complex is a recognizable threat as well but…BUT at the end of the day they want it left standing as a 1st world nation to extract more profits tomorrow.

A viable liberty movement can exist and advance under a Romney president but with “O” at the helm and the US reduced to a 2nd world nation any liberty movement will be lost.

Some will say we have 85 million guns and billions and billions of bullets! I don’t think anyone wants to repeat the revolutionary war especially if the red coats have black hawks, hell fires, night vision and bunker busters. There is only one way to win this battle and that is thru the ballot box.

The goal is not to have a President Romney but to have breathing room to advance the Liberty Movement to affect changes in out years. This movement has changed the political landscape at all levels so far and the RNC/DNC recognizes it as a threat and act accordingly

A vote for Romney (my vote) is nothing more than a vote to rid this country of “O” nothing else. I believe this is why Rand Paul came out for Romney as well... "O" is bad Romney is less bad!!

I know what Romney is and I know who he serves.

 

[Tollwatch]

for Tollwatch:

If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they get into office and screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You voted them in. You caused the problem.

You already stated that this is exactly what you intend to do.

Whats your point? am I missing something?

 

[CELLO]

I'm voting for Mitt simply to be opposite the Ron Paul zombies . By the way I get it but allowing the communist in chief to be in charge during the fall of the nation ( if that happens) isn't my idea of smart. If Romney goes in we may get both houses on his coat tails and some good wil come of it. I have to try everything I can before we go to guns simply because that's what we should do even though I have no illusions were this is going.

What he said is what I think also

 

[Ranger]

Tollwatch, I think Dennis is saying that we'd best NOT sully
our own names by voting for the so called lesser of two evils
that are really the same; inseparable at birth by two different
mothers. It's called in zoological terms, homologous. Same function,
different origins.

Ranger

 

[Tollwatch]

Tollwatch, I think Dennis is saying that we'd best NOT sully
our own names by voting for the so called lesser of two evils
that are really the same; inseparable at birth by two different
mothers. It's called in zoological terms, homologous. Same function,
different origins.

Ranger

Let me put restate this to make it easy to comprehend.

You're in a prison with only two doors for escape.
Each door is guarded by a hot looking transvestite. One will steal your scones and the other will steal your wallet. They both make your skin crawl but you want your freedom. Which door will you choose?

I would choose the door with the thief. Oh what a minute.. according to Dennis I have no scones therefore I could use either door. But for those that have scones I venture to say they would pick the thief.

Regardless how you get out, you will be seen with a transvestite but only you will know if you have your scones.

TW

 

[Ender]

Kid I've seen more truth in one day of my life than you could handle in ten years. You really need to wipe the glow and shine from your eyes, focus on the doable , and move out smartly. And please get it right I was and still am a paleo con not a neo con. Jeeze can we get a better class of bright eyed bushy tailed gonna change the world types around here.

You know, if one Romney person could actually have some clear and interesting dialog with no name calling, insults, and innuendos, it would be quite refreshing. I have been called every name in the book on this forum, simply because I am a RP supporter and it has been so since 2008- and even in threads where there has been no mention of RP and certainly not by me.

So- I am tired of the insults; if you want to have some great dialog, I would love it- otherwise stop. And because I am younger than you does not mean that I am stupid and live in lala land. You don't know me.

 

[Dare7]

Ranger, not sure what kind of feedback you need. Hope this helps.

Originally posted by Ranger:

1. Justice Scalia just turned 78
Very conservative, describes himself as a constitutionalist. Appointed by Reagan.
2. Justice Kennedy will turn 78 later this year
Centrist - which also frequently makes him an unknown swing vote. Also appointed by Reagan.
3. Justice Breyer will be 76 in August
Liberal. Assisted in the Watergate prosecution before his placement. Appointed by Clinton.
4. Justice Ginsburg turned 81 about a week ago.
Extreme liberal. She's 79, not 81, has fought cancer twice (MDs said she was cancer free as of last fall) and has stated for the record that she hopes to remain a member of the SCOTUS until she's at least 82 (March 2015) Also appointed by Clinton.

Not only is it possible that the next president will select a one or more new SCOTUS member, it is probable. Since 1790, the majority of Supremes have left their position while in their early to mid 70's. Out of the 112 justices we have had so far, only thirteen served until age 80 and beyond with Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes being the oldest when he left the bench - he retired at age 90.

The current White House occupier has already seated two of the members (Kagan, who had no previous judicial experience & Sotomayor). If giving consideration as to who might be appointing the next round of replacements, remember these are lifetime positions - once seated, we're stuck with the selections unless they retire or die because a SCOTUS justice can't be "fired" except due to an act of treason (requires impeachment).

 

[Ragnarok]

Let me put restate this to make it easy to comprehend.

You're in a prison with only two doors for escape.
Each door is guarded by a hot looking transvestite. One will steal your scones and the other will steal your wallet. They both make your skin crawl but you want your freedom. Which door will you choose?

I would choose the door with the thief. Oh what a minute.. according to Dennis I have no scones therefore I could use either door. But for those that have scones I venture to say they would pick the thief.

Regardless how you get out, you will be seen with a transvestite but only you will know if you have your scones.

TW

...Interesting...Analogy.

Problem is, with the transvestites you are voting for... Neither one is offering freedom.

 

[Dennis Olson]

I know what Romney is and I know who he serves.


No, you don't. You want to THINK you do so you can sleep at night after you vote for him. You're every bit a part of the problem, despite your high-sounding mouthings. You're just another scared sheep, brainwashed by the "two-party machine". You have no ideals or ideas to really effect change. You just sit there and yap about it.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Ragnarok, Tollwatch is just another of the idiots that we used to call "big brains." Trouble is, he's just another small-brained sheep, bleating about how great Romney is, and how we simply MUST vote for the scum-sucking globalist. That's because he's OUR scum-sucking globalist, and we need to put him in to kick out the OTHER SIDE'S scum-sucking globalist.

Idiots, one and all...

 

[Ragnarok]

Ragnarok, Tollwatch is just another of the idiots that we used to call "big brains." Trouble is, he's just another small-brained sheep, bleating about how great Romney is, and how we simply MUST vote for the scum-sucking globalist. That's because he's OUR scum-sucking globalist, and we need to put him in to kick out the OTHER SIDE'S scum-sucking globalist.

Idiots, one and all...

Watch this video:

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?412006-The-Obama-Deception-HQ-Full-length-version

Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush, Obama, Romney... All puppets controlled by bankers interests.

Anyone that actually believes there is a difference should take the time to educate themselves before voting...

 

[Dennis Olson]

Dude, these people will never educate themselves. Like so many others, they don't THINK, they EMOTE. You can't tell them anything and you can't show them anything. All they know is their fear, which is far stronger than any sense of patriotism or love-of-country they think they feel. In the end, they're useless eaters (politically speaking). They're the ones who sat-out the American Revolution on the sidelines, too afraid to "get involved"....

 

[alfa1]

Dude, these people will never educate themselves. Like so many others, they don't THINK, they EMOTE. You can't tell them anything and you can't show them anything. All they know is their fear, which is far stronger than any sense of patriotism or love-of-country they think they feel. In the end, they're useless eaters (politically speaking). They're the ones who sat-out the American Revolution on the sidelines, to afraid to "get involved"....

After reading the above...All I can say is WOW!

 

[Tollwatch]

...Interesting...Analogy.

Problem is, with the transvestites you are voting for... Neither one is offering freedom.

This is about creating an environment that a Liberty Movement can operate within and gain traction to actually win and be affective as a third party. The two-party system with the media in their back pocket will not lie down without a fight, even an illegal dirty fight! I don't think anyone will argue the Liberty Movement has not been successful. Paul has gone from being totally marginalized in 2008 to a contender in 2012. It will take another cycle or two to push his replacement over the top.

The entire political structure in the country is corrupt and it will take more that a single man (Paul) to turn it around. You have to chisel away at it one representative at a time. If Paul were to win today the seating rat bastards would make him a lame duck. They are entrenched and the only way for them to be removed is with grass roots efforts to vote them out one at a time. This is happening as we speak and will continue God willing, if we can only keep this country afloat long enough.

“O” is the fly in the ointment here. He is hell bent on destroying this country. You really need to watch 2016 to understand what “O” is about. He is not your typical democrat! He is fueled by vengeance to right the sins of colonialism and down size America. He is a product of a third world that’s been exploited by the “globalist” and he will avenge his father.

This country cannot have a man with his motives at the helm…. Period.

- If I have to vote for Romney to make that happen so be it.
- If Paul were on the ticket I would be dancing in the streets but he is not.
- I would rather have a lame duck Paul then a vengeful “O” in the Whitehouse.
- The RNC out maneuvered us this time get over it!
- You can sit on the sidelines and help “O” or you and help the cause of liberty. It’s really that simple.

We don’t have the luxury to hold to our ideals at this particular point in time. We have to survive so we can fight another day!

Pick your battles wisely!

Enough said!

 

[Thomas Paine]

You know, if one Romney person could actually have some clear and interesting dialog with no name calling, insults, and innuendos, it would be quite refreshing. I have been called every name in the book on this forum, simply because I am a RP supporter and it has been so since 2008- and even in threads where there has been no mention of RP and certainly not by me.

So- I am tired of the insults; if you want to have some great dialog, I would love it- otherwise stop. And because I am younger than you does not mean that I am stupid and live in lala land. You don't know me.

There can be no dialog with a Paul zealot it's your way or the highway, Ron Paul is the Jesus figure, all else are the spawn of satan, only Paul can lead us Moses like out of the wilderness, all else build graven images for use to follow. Most of us here have tried to talk to the Ron Paul cult of personality and we would have better luck getting interesting conversation out of a Borg. You guys have hammered everyone , and I mean everyone, who holds a different view , like a drunk who has been off the bottle six months does folks about sobriety, so we have very little respect for you or your positions.You brought it on yourself.

 

[Thomas Paine]

Dude, these people will never educate themselves. Like so many others, they don't THINK, they EMOTE. You can't tell them anything and you can't show them anything. All they know is their fear, which is far stronger than any sense of patriotism or love-of-country they think they feel. In the end, they're useless eaters (politically speaking). They're the ones who sat-out the American Revolution on the sidelines, too afraid to "get involved"....

Actually Dennis you are too afraid to do something.You've ruled out voting which means it must be the time for the third box but I don't' see hauling out the Ye Ole' EAG carbine and going to do the we. Because deep down once all the bluster is settled you know, there ain't the people there for it yet, voting , like it
or not is the only thing we have right now, We aren't voting for to stop anything, most of us realize it but we are voting to buy time.Like I said we have a duty to do so. But the Ron Paul Zealots are too damn proud to back down and step away from their perfect man for office to do something as simple as buy more time. An the funny thing is you have even admitted that if elected Ron Paul would have been toast and unable to do anything. So I can't figure out what sort of high horse you are on. Idon't really take much of this personal I just get tired of the holier than thou attitude of the Paulies.

 

[Hfcomms]

There can be no dialog with a Paul zealot.

Interesting that Paul isn't the nominee of the party and not even in the race anymore but you keep coming back to the same thing time after time like a one trick pony. This has nothing to do with Paul. It has everything to do with freedom and liberty. Neither of the candidates of the two major political parties know the meaning of those two words.

It's even more interesting that the blowback comes from a man who uses Thomas Paine as a handle. You probably don't have as much in common with him as you would like to imagine.


If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.
Thomas Paine



A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice.
Thomas Paine




An army of principles can penetrate where an army of soldiers cannot.
Thomas Paine

 

[Dennis Olson]

.You've ruled out voting which means


I have? Since I clearly indicated otherwise on multiple threads, you either have a significant reading comprehension problem, or you only stop by the forum about once a month. Which is it...?

 

[raven]

If I vote for Romney AND he is elected

THEN

Who will I vote for in four years?

 

[Thomas Paine]

Interesting that Paul isn't the nominee of the party and not even in the race anymore but you keep coming back to the same thing time after time like a one trick pony. This has nothing to do with Paul. It has everything to do with freedom and liberty. Neither of the candidates of the two major political parties know the meaning of those two words.

It's even more interesting that the blowback comes from a man who uses Thomas Paine as a handle. You probably don't have as much in common with him as you would like to imagine.


If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.
Thomas Paine



A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice.
Thomas Paine




An army of principles can penetrate where an army of soldiers cannot.
Thomas Paine

Alright Lets kick this thing off show me our leaders I haven't seen anyone or any group taking action to fall in with.

A single patriot taking offensive action is a lone nut, a hand full is a criminal gang, 20-100 is a terrorist organization, 100 to 1000 is a budding resistance, 5-10k plus is a movement .

Setting on our thumbs like spoiled children and not voting, letting a marxist go into the white house a second time, isn't the answer. Romney has money, he was a successful businessman who did what he could and what was necessary under the system to make his money. I haven't seen where he broke any laws. The thing is until the very moment the shooting goes full tilt I feel I must continue to use the system. People who honestly feel this way have been derided by the Paulies constantly that's why they are my focus. I'm not against going to war, somebody pull the phocing trigger and let's get it on . But remember when you pull the trigger , you own it, you own the deaths, the suffering , that will be caused, the destruction of our our infrastructure and ability to produce.That's why it's important for them to start it , that's why it's important for us to work the system as long as we can. The moment will come just like it did at Lexington and concord, the shots will be fired and it will be on. When it starts we must have made every effort, used every election , to try to find our answer within the system even though almost all of us know we won't.

That's where we are we can work inside the system to buy time or we can go to war.I'm gonna vote if someone else with a bigger ego or more vision , with an army wants to start the shooting feel free I'll be down shortly to join up.BUT TILL THEN I'M GOING TO WORK THE BLOODY SYSTEM AND I'M SICK AND GOD DAMN TIRED OF PEOPLE TELLING ME IT'S WASTE WHEN THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE THEY OFFER IS SULLING UP LIKE 3 YEAR OLD WHO HAS BEEN TAKEN OFF THE PACIFIER BECAUSE THEIR "MAN" TRIED FOR THE HARD SIX AND CAME UP CRAPS.

 

[Ender]

Alright Lets kick this thing off show me our leaders I haven't seen anyone or any group taking action to fall in with.

A single patriot taking offensive action is a lone nut, a hand full is a criminal gang, 20-100 is a terrorist organization, 100 to 1000 is a budding resistance, 5-10k plus is a movement .

Setting on our thumbs like spoiled children and not voting, letting a marxist go into the white house a second time, isn't the answer. Romney has money, he was a successful businessman who did what he could and what was necessary under the system to make his money. I haven't seen where he broke any laws. The thing is until the very moment the shooting goes full tilt I feel I must continue to use the system. People who honestly feel this way have been derided by the Paulies constantly that's why they are my focus. I'm not against going to war, somebody pull the phocing trigger and let's get it on . But remember when you pull the trigger , you own it, you own the deaths, the suffering , that will be caused, the destruction of our our infrastructure and ability to produce.That's why it's important for them to start it , that's why it's important for us to work the system as long as we can. The moment will come just like it did at Lexington and concord, the shots will be fired and it will be on. When it starts we must have made every effort, used every election , to try to find our answer within the system even though almost all of us know we won't.

That's where we are we can work inside the system to buy time or we can go to war.I'm gonna vote if someone else with a bigger ego or more vision , with an army wants to start the shooting feel free I'll be down shortly to join up.BUT TILL THEN I'M GOING TO WORK THE BLOODY SYSTEM AND I'M SICK AND GOD DAMN TIRED OF PEOPLE TELLING ME IT'S WASTE WHEN THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE THEY OFFER IS SULLING UP LIKE 3 YEAR OLD WHO HAS BEEN TAKEN OFF THE PACIFIER BECAUSE THEIR "MAN" TRIED FOR THE HARD SIX AND CAME UP CRAPS.

Oh, temper tantrum time.

Lessee, we all agree that everything is a mess- but your course of action is to keep following Einstein's Theory of Insanity. Your plan sure has worked in the past, right?

But I forget, it's us young punks- who did not contribute to the American mess we are in- who are stupid, while the "ol' guys just keep on keepin' on while preaching that THIS time the results will be different.

Better listen to Carlin again.