INTL Another Political Crisis in the United Kindom, Liz Truss may be forced to resign. Update Post #8, LIZ TRUSS RESIGNS

Melodi

Melodi

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Just after I posted this in the European thread, saying I would wait to start a thread on the main things heated up even more. There is severe pressure on Liz Truss to step down as Prime Minister only six weeks after she was voted into the job by a small group of her party members (which is how it is done there). There are now calls for a no-confidence vote and there may already be enough signatures to have one, there was a huge and confusing mess last night over a vote on fracking, with the Prime Minister at first saying that any members of her party that didn't vote her way, would be kicked out of the party (this can be done, but isn't done often). Two extremely powerful and old-time party members refused to vote and were almost but not quite kicked out and this has started a firestorm in United Kingdom Politics. It won't surprise me if she goes within 24 to 48 hours, but it might take a bit longer, we shall see.

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Liz Truss latest updates: Truss has '12 hours to save her job' - amid claim some Tory MPs 'went to bed crying'​

Chaotic scenes in the House of Commons on Wednesday evening have left further questions over Liz Truss's ability to lead her own party.

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Sir Keir Starmer calls for general election 'now' [Leader of the Opposition Party]​

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has called for a general election "now".
He was speaking at the Trades Union Congress in Brighton.
Sir Keir said: "This cannot continue.
"Britain deserves better.
"Britain cannot afford the chaos of the Conservatives anymore.
"We need a general election now."
He added that this was "a crisis made in Downing Street.
"Without a democratic mandate, paid for by working people in higher bills, higher rents and higher mortgages."
Sir Keir also condemned the chaotic scenes in the House of Commons yesterday.
He said: "But congress, last night in Parliament even by their standards.
"A new chaotic low.
"All the failures of the past twelve years have now come to the boil."
Sir Keir added: "They lack the basic patriotic duty to keep the British people out of their own pathetic squabbles.
"And it's wrecked the finances of the country and millions of people."
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-'Becoming the biggest political crisis since WWII' - eminent political historian------
One of the UK's most eminent political historians has said the current situation is "becoming the biggest political crisis since WWII".

He implied it is starting to look worse than the Suez Crisis, in 1956, which led to Anthony Eden resigning as prime minister.

Harold Macmillan took over and tried to repair the UK's international reputation.

Writing on Twitter, Sir Anthony Seldon said: "This is becoming the biggest political crisis since WWII.

"Suez in 1956 was bad, but a credible PM speedily took over, and normality returned.

"In 1972–74, the PM had cabinet squarely behind him.

"Who now? Where now?"
 
Melodi

Melodi

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It isn't just people in the US who are wondering "so who is in charge, but in the UK they can change things a bit faster..."
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As chaos unfolds in No 10, the real question is who is now in charge?

After the turmoil of Wednesday the only thing that is clear is that the government is in chaos and no one quite knows how to resolve the crisis.
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As chaos unfolds in No 10, the real question is who is now in charge?
After the turmoil of Wednesday the only thing that is clear is that the government is in chaos and no one quite knows how to resolve the crisis.


Sam Coates
Deputy political editor @SamCoatesSky

Thursday 20 October 2022 08:27, UK


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After Wednesday, it's worth asking: who is in charge? The last 12 hours suggests it's very hard to say.

Few say Liz Truss, since her word is no longer her bond, her writ limited.

So what are the other possibilities?

Few think it is Mark Fullbrook, the embattled chief of staff, but few believe his power extends far in Whitehall: he hints to MPs he would have acted faster over the suspension of the senior Truss aide Jason Stein who admitted hostile briefings against MPs.

Number ten chief of staff Mark Fullbrook
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Number 10 Chief of Staff Mark Fullbrook
Perhaps some might think the power lies with David Canzini, the PM's phoenix-like political adviser, understood to be in the room during the lengthy Wednesday rows between Liz Truss and Suella Braverman - but this is the very wing he was expected to pacify so that doesn't appear to be working.

If power rested with the cabinet, Liz Truss would either be gone or solidly in power: whispering to MP colleagues "there is a plan" to oust her - as MPs tell me - isn't the same as having one and executing it.

Nobody thinks the Tory chief whip Wendy Morton has any authority after her un-resignation: tales of her inability to confidently tell MPs Liz Truss will get out of this hole have travelled far and wide amongst MPs.

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Wendy Morton, the Chief Whip, allegedly resigned, then unresigned! Pic: AP
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Wendy Morton, the Chief Whip, allegedly resigned, then un-resigned Pic: AP
One might think Jeremy Hunt holds all the cards, our "de facto PM", but it emerged on Wednesday he can be overruled by a coalition of Tory MPs and newspaper editors, taking options that could save billions off the table. That'll happen again.

Some might think Parliament is back in charge, but still the Tories won today's fracking vote so 2017-style coalitions of opposition and rebel MPs are no more fashionable on the biggest issues than they ever were.

Read more: Who could replace Liz Truss as prime minister if she is ousted as Tory leader?

One might think Brexiteer MPs who have Liz where they want her - they did on Tuesday - but then she failed to sign up to their Brexit protocol demands in the Commons at PMQs - to their surprise.

Labour MP Chris Bryant Twitter picture of the chaos during voting
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Labour MP Chris Bryant Twitter picture of the chaos during voting Credit:Chris Bryant
Some might think power lies in the hands of the backbenches, but Wednesday suggests they can only block while being unable to decide amongst themselves how to proceed.

It could be the markets, but they might not get what they want without spending cuts that might struggle to get past MPs.


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So some think power rests with Sir Graham Brady, seeing his role is to prevent division, another divisive leadership contest and implicitly a general election, but that requires unity beyond his reach.

Meanwhile the fabled deep state, which is getting its way in the Treasury once more and excising non-conventional elements in government, cannot deliver without the partnership of a functioning governing party in Parliament and may yet come back under the spotlight and get the blame if Boris Johnson becomes PM again and wants revenge.

Chairman of the 1922 Committee Graham Brady congratulates Liz Truss, as she is announced as Britain's next Prime Minister at The Queen Elizabeth II Centre in London, Britain September 5, 2022. REUTERS/Hannah McKay
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Chairman of the 1922 Committee Sir Graham Brady with Liz Truss after she was announced as PM
So who is in charge?

Maybe today we find out.
 
Melodi

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Disaster Cat
The first part of the usual very long, picture-filed, gossipy UK Daily Mail article, I'm just posting the first part because it is interesting and while sad, very likely true. Though the mail is a tabloid and they regularly get sued for implying things that just might have or haven't happened, this headline is hinted at in other news outlets, they just use a bit more "British Reserve" in stating it. The UK Daily Mail does not do "reserve" they are a Tabloid, like the National Enquirer only with a slightly better real news section. See full article at link.

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Inside the night of chaos in Commons that left Liz Truss on the brink

Ms Truss may soon be the shortest serving Prime Minister in history with some of her MPs calling on her to go this morning 'in order to stop the shambles'.
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'I had MPs crying on my shoulder': Inside the undignified scrum in the Commons that saw Truss's situation become 'terminal' on night of chaos, a three-hour battle to stop the chief whip resigning - all while ministers issued toe-curling denials of anarchy.

There were multiple reports of 'shouting', 'bullying' and 'manhandling' by MPs during Commons fracking vote
Chris Bryant said he saw Thérèse Coffey taking one MP through. Labur MP said Tories were left sobbing
The government defeated Labour's motion last night - but MPs reportedly barracked their own Prime Minister
There was also confusion over whether her chief whip Wendy Morton and her deputy Craig Whittaker quit
No 10 insisted that it was a confidence vote and rebels would be punished only for minister to undermine this
By MARTIN ROBINSON, CHIEF REPORTER FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 08:18, 20 October 2022 | UPDATED: 10:23, 20 October 2022

Liz Truss' premiership appears to be in its death throes today after an anarchic 12 hours that saw her Home Secretary resign, reports of tears and tear-ups in the Commons over fracking and the Tory leader apparently chasing the Tory chief whip while begging her not to resign as her own MPs yelled 'shambles' in her face.

Ms Truss may soon be the shortest serving Prime Minister in history with some of her MPs calling on her to go this morning 'in order to stop the shambles' and Tory backbencher Simon Hoare declared that she has just 12 hours to save her job.

But admitting her survival looks unlikely, Mr Hoare said: 'The unsettling thing is that there isn't a route plan - it is hand to hand fighting on a day to day basis'.

After just six weeks in the job, her power further drained away when Suella Braverman quit at 5pm last night, apparently after a 90-minute screaming match that was apparently heard reverberating through the office door and into No 10. And around two hours later it all kicked off in the Commons for a fracking vote billed by Downing Street as a confidence vote in the Prime Minister.

The Tory MPs who have publicly called for Liz Truss to resign
1) Crispin Blunt

2) Andrew Bridgen

3) Jamie Wallis

4) Angela Richardson

5) Charles Walker

6) Will Wragg

7) Gary Streeter

8) Steve Double

9) Sheryll Murray

Labour MP Chris Bryant said that some Conservatives were 'physically manhandled into another lobby and being bullied' and revealed that he had 'utterly desperate' Tory MPs 'crying on my shoulder'.

He added: 'There will be individual MPs who went to bed crying - I know because they've told me so'.

Chief Whip Wendy Morton and her deputy Craig Whittaker then appeared to quit after Truss reversed her plan to expel Tory MPs who voted against the Government on fracking. At 1.30am this morning Downing Street then insisted it was a confidence vote only for a minister to go on TV at 7.30am to say that it wasn't, as party discipline imploded as Tories were 'effing and blinding' at each other.

Transport Secretary Anne-Marie Trevelyan also repeatedly refused - including four times on the Today programme - to say if Liz Truss would lead the Tories into the next election.

Amid chaotic scenes in the Commons, Deputy Prime Minister Therese Coffey and Business Secretary Jacob Rees-Mogg were accused of 'manhandling' MPs through the voting lobbies – a claim both ministers denied. As Government discipline collapsed, Mr Whittaker was heard telling his colleagues: 'I am f***ing furious and I don't give a f*** any more.'

Tory MPs were seen shouting at an ashen-faced Miss Truss: 'It's a shambles.' The PM was apparently seen running after her chief whip begging her not to quit while she was barracked by her own backbenchers. Jacob Rees-Mogg later revealed he had no idea if the party still had a chief whip.

And today there is still confusion over whether Ms Morton and Mr Whittaker are in post. Anne-Marie Trevelyan said the chief whip did not resign after last night's Commons vote, to her knowledge. Asked if Wendy Morton quit on Wednesday evening, she said: 'Not that I'm aware of, no.' One MP who voted for fracking told the Mirror: 'F***ing c**ts! I should have rebelled. I am f***ed in my constituency now'.

Tory MP Gary Streeter said the party must ditch Liz Truss - the 8th backbencher to call for her resignation. 'Sadly, it seems we must change leader BUT even if the angel Gabriel now takes over, the parliamentary party has to urgently rediscover discipline, mutual respect and teamwork if we are to (i) govern the UK well and (ii) avoid slaughter at the next election,' he said on Twitter, adding the hashtag #lastchance. Cornwall MP Sheryll Murray said: 'I had high hopes for Liz Truss but after what happened last night her position has become untenable and I have submitted a letter to Sir Graham Brady'.

As Ms Truss's fate seems to be slipping out of her hands just 44 days into her premiership:

Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle said he has asked the Serjeant at Arms and other officials to investigate allegations made about incidents in the Commons on Wednesday night;

The 1922 Committee meets this morning with Sir Graham Brady being urged to step in and tell the Prime Minister her time is up. One member of the 1922 told ITV News that the 'odds are against' Liz Truss surviving the day;
Cabinet members are said to be eying November 1 for her departure - after Jeremy Hunt delivers his medium term fiscal plan. But backbenchers say she must be removed immediately to 'avoid slaughter at the next election';

Her supporters claim that she is 'determined to go on' and is working as normal in Downing Street with several calls with foreign leaders in the diary;
 
Melodi

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Disaster Cat
The first part of another long and picture-heavy UK Daily Mail Article, they are having a field day with this one, and honestly with the rumored reports of fisticuffs or near fisticuffs among the MPs and 2-hour shouting matches at the Prime Minster by a cabinet minster before they resigned, I don't blame them. This is a "scandal sheet's" dream come true.
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Even Cabinet loyalists warn Liz Truss 'can't recover' as PM

Liz Truss has been warned she only has 12 hours to stabilise her administration, with even loyalist Cabinet ministers said to believe the situation is 'terminal'.
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Floodgates open on calls for Truss to quit: Tories bombard 1922 Committee chief with no-confidence letters as Cabinet minister swipes that she is only PM 'at the moment' - and desperate No10 threatens to punish MPs who rebelled over fracking

Utter chaos was seen in the House of Commons division lobbies last night as Tories rowed over crunch vote
Suella Braverman quit as Home Secretary admitting protocol breach by sending email on immigration policy
Liz Truss told the Commons yesterday: 'I am a fighter not a quitter' as she faced Starmer in a fierce PMQs
A senior Cabinet member and ally to Liz Truss said last night 'she can't recover from this' amid party anger
Confusion reigned for three hours last night as it was unclear whether Chief Whip and Deputy had resigned
Inflation rose to 10.1 per cent in September from 9.9 per cent in August reaching the highest level for 40 years
By JAMES TAPSFIELD, POLITICAL EDITOR FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 08:12, 20 October 2022 | UPDATED: 10:41, 20 October 2022

Liz Truss is engaged in an increasingly desperate battle for survival today after 24 hours of carnage that saw the Home Secretary quit, confusion over whether the Chief Whip had followed her out of the door, and MPs wrestling in Commons voting lobbies.

The PM has been warned she only has 12 hours to save herself, with a series of previously-loyal MPs joining calls for her to go. Even supportive Cabinet ministers had been conceding the situation is 'terminal'.

Transport Secretary Anne-Marie Trevelyan was sent out to prop up the PM this morning, but would only say that 'at the moment' she believes Ms Truss will lead the Tories into the next election.

The growing clamour came as 1922 committee chief Graham Brady is expected to meet other officers to consider Ms Truss's future.

Yet another bout of madness at Westminster yesterday culminated in stories of tears and tantrums in Parliament, with Ms Truss allegedly engaging in a shouting match with her own enforcers.

Deputy PM Therese Coffey was accused of 'manhandling' Tory MPs to vote against a Labour motion that could have killed the government's plans to resume fracking - something she denies.

The premier tried to force the issue by declaring that it was a matter of confidence, meaning a defeat the would have collapsed the government. But at the end of the debate a minister declared that it was not in fact a confidence vote - triggering fury from Chief Whip Wendy Morton and her deputy Craig Whittaker.

Other whips told MPs they had resigned, but after three hours of silence and frantic wrangling behind the scenes Downing Street announced they were still in post. A 1.33am statement then made clear that it had been a confidence vote, warning that around 30 MPs who abstained will be disciplined.

However, in another twist this morning, Ms Trevelyan said that it had not been a confidence vote.

Ms Morton and Tory chair Jake Berry were seen going in and out of Downing Street today, although that in itself is not unusual.

The PM lost her second Cabinet heavyweight in five days after Suella Braverman resigned as Home Secretary after admitting using of her personal email to campaign against the government's own immigration policy - but also hit out at Ms Truss for ditching key policies, suggesting she should also quit for 'mistakes'.

The PM appointed Grants Shapps, a Rishi Sunak supporter who as late as Monday was telling media that her government was unsustainable.

Tory backbencher Gary Streeter said he believes that Ms Truss must go, but warned that even the 'Angel Gabriel' will struggle to lead the party because it lacks 'discipline, mutual respect and teamwork'.

Fellow Conservative Sheryl Murray said: 'I had high hopes for Liz Truss but after what happened last night her position has become untenable and I have submitted a letter to Sir Graham Brady.'

Senior MP Simon Hoare told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: 'I'm a glass half full sort of person. Can the ship be turned around? Yes. But I think there's about 12 hours to do it.

'I think today and tomorrow are crunch days. I have never known – OK, I've only been an MP for seven years – but a growing sense of pessimism in all wings of the Tory party.'

Crawley MP Henry Smith told Times Radio that the Conservatives 'cannot delay' getting rid of the premier.

In a rant during an interview that was retweeted by colleagues, veteran Conservative MP Charles Walker said: 'I think it's a shambles and a disgrace. I think it is utterly appalling. I am livid.'

As Ms Truss's fate seems to be slipping out of her hands just 44 days into her premiership:

Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle has launched an investigation into the claims of bullying during the votes last night;
New Home Secretary Grant Shapps has been summoned to answer an urgent question in the House of Commons today;
Trade Secretary Kemi Badenoch has denied that she is about to quit, with several senior figures rumoured to be on 'resignation watch';

The Pound has dropped to $1.119 against the US dollar, its lowest level for a week, as markets digest the political turmoil;
Tory MPs have warned Jeremy Hunt must be given space to complete the Halloween Budget planning while Ms Truss 'addresses' leadership issues in private;

Former Home Secretary Suella Braverman became the second senior Cabinet minister to go in one week;

Ms Truss announced a shock u-turn and said she would guarantee the pensions triple lock during PMQs;
The PM's senior aide Jason Stein was suspended pending an investigating into briefing, after sources told newspapers at the weekend that Ms Truss had not offered Sajid Javid the Chancellor job because he is 'sh**';

The Chief Whip and Deputy Chief Whip told their colleagues they had resigned - only for them to 'unresign' after three hours of cajoling by the PM.
 
Melodi

Melodi

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Marthanoir said:
I saw a poll of Conservatives there a couple of days ago where they wanted Boris Johnson back :lol:
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That was true of overall party members polled but sadly they don't get to vote on this one. I think the overall UK electorate is screaming mad that a full election has not been called yet and I suspect that it to get worse as this Made for TV Soap Opera continues.

I suspect in reality, the Opposition (Labour Party) doesn't really want an election right this moment, because they know whoever is in power right now is going to be in serious trouble over things totally out of control (for the most part) like the insane costs of energy right now.
 
Broken Arrow

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PM resigns after less than seven weeks in Downing Street - live​

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Liz Truss news – live: PM resigns after less than seven weeks in Downing Street​


Liz Truss has announced she is resigning as prime minister after just six weeks in the role.

There will be a leadership election within a week, Ms Truss said.


It comes after the chair of the 1922 Committee, Sir Graham Brady entered No 10 for a crisis meeting with the prime minister, followed by party chair Jake Berry.

Ms Truss’ brief stint as leader involved a mini-Budget that spooked the market, the sacking of her close ally and chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng, the resignation of home secretary Suella Braverman and chaos in Westminster around a confidence vote where there were allegations of senior Tories manhandling and bullying colleagues.

Just yesterday she told PMQs she is a “fighter not a quitter.”

Conservative MP Simon Hoare said Liz Truss only had 12 hours to save her premiership while Lord David Frost, a former Brexit minister who backed Truss for PM, called for her to go in addition to more than a dozen MPs.
 
Redleg

Redleg

Veteran Member
If true, that was quick. Who would want the job, its a mess over there. Of course we're not much better.
 
Blacknarwhal

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
...well that was something.

"Just gonna take a few minutes, move my stuff in, return some phone calls....

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Yep. My career is gone. Time to go!"
 
Red Baron

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Paleo-Conservative
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The third British Prime Minister in four months.

Sky News reporter "Absolutely astonishing."
 
Melodi

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Wow, that was fast, I go eat lunch and she's gone. It will be interesting to see if the Torry Party can pull off another selection or if there will be enough protests and issues in Parliament to call a new election.
 
Melodi

Melodi

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K99 said:
In a few words...why did she resign? Don't really understand UK politics
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Her appointed chancellor proposed a budget so heavy on tax cuts and borrowed spending that even the International Monetary Fund said it went too far. Within 24 hours the pound crashed to near parity with the dollar (the first time in decades) and UK/world stock markets started falling through the floor.

Then she fired him, with basically no warning and there were a number of other issues and unpopular decisions, it was, to put it bluntly, a mess.

It remains to be seen if anyone else can do any better, her second Chancellor wanted to end the energy payments top payments in April and neither the public nor business was taking that well.
 
Dollar Short

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Wow. She will be in the record books with just 44 days as Prime Minister. The previous record was 119 days by George Canning -- but he had a good excuse -- he had severe health issues and then died a few months later.
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The UK is a total cluster*$%&. I don't envy the next PM.
 
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Luddite

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Too many women are running Europe.

Margaret Thatcher was great but was surrounded by great men.

This country is no different.

Not looking to argue.
Not trying to change minds.

Just stating facts from my perspective.


FTR, I know little about the machinations of British goobermint. Not necessary for my above statement to be true.
 
Griz3752

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All (or most) of this would have been avoided if the voters had any input. Letting the Party in Power pick from the Old Boys & Girls Club always means someone is passed over/POed at not getting into the new cabinet etc.

Just an opinion but I'm pretty sure politicians of any stripe are way more vengeful over such things than regular folks and, will go to any lengths to improve their position. The position of the tax payer or the country at large seems to come a very distant and fading 2nd place.
 
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Melodi

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Griz3752 said:
All (or most) of this would have been avoided if the voters had any input. Letting the Party in Power pick from the Old Boys & Girls Club always means someone is passed over/POed at not getting into the new cabinet etc.

Just an opinion but I'm pretty sure politicians of any stripe are way more vengeful over such things than regular folks and, will go to any lengths to improve their position. The position ofthe tax payer or the country at large seems to come a very distant and fading 2nd place.
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Polls are showing that the majority of voters in the UK want another election, the problems are that by law there only has to be one every five years or something. They can be held at other times when the party in power decides to hold one (often when they are doing well, to try to increase their time in power) or when there is a vote of "No-confidence" in the party (complicated and I don't pretend to understand all of it).

There are actually a number of Torry MPs (Members of Parliament) who were talking openly about calling an election realizing they might lose their own jobs but with Labour 18 points ahead, they thought it might be better for the Conservative Party to have The Labour Party in Power during the economic train wreck and possible war period that is almost certain coming up in the near future.

It is also possible the Tories could simply screw things up badly enough that enough of their own members joined in a no-confidence vote and it forces an election.

A lot the UK Population is really unhappy with the current "selection" of Prime Ministers by a very small group of people.
 
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Melodi said:
Her appointed chancellor proposed a budget so heavy on tax cuts and borrowed spending that even the International Monetary Fund said it went too far. Within 24 hours the pound crashed to near parity with the dollar (the first time in decades) and UK/world stock markets started falling through the floor.

Then she fired him, with basically no warning and there were a number of other issues and unpopular decisions, it was, to put it bluntly, a mess.
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Thank you for the digest. I was having trouble figuring out what was going on.
 
db cooper

db cooper

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Considering the happenings in the world today, the Brits could use another Churchhill or Thatcher. Of course Trump would be a handy item for us. But none of this will ever happen, the Deep Staters are having too much fun playing war games, playing out their fantasies.
 
Melodi

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One problem is, there is not really anyone in the current Tory leadership who is popular enough and also probably talented enough to deal with what is coming. I'm not sure there is in Labour either - their current leader isn't a totally "terrifying" (to the average person) "Berdie Werdie" like their last socialist leader - who looked and sounded like a University student who never grew up, but he's basically a corporate drone sort like Tony Blair. People don't hate him, but no one seems very enthusiastic about him either, he has the charisma of a doorknob.

Larry the Downing Street Cat (Mouser at Prime Ministers Residence, employed and paid for by the government, not the Prime Minister) is a current favorite for the position but at age 14 or so, is too young to qualify. There was a whole campaign for Larry the last time, this time his Twitter (run by a human of course) was already posted, "help Larry Find a new Temporary Roommate."

But seriously, almost everyone in the upper levels of the Tory Problem is greatly disliked to one degree or another by a large chunk of the UK public. BoJo was popular among some groups, I personally think because at least he could be entertaining and he could give a speech when he thought about it. I'm sure I'm not the only one who was watching Liz give the "reading" at the Queen's Funeral thinking "BoJo" (or perhaps a damp squib) "could have done better."

He is, however, really past his sell-by date, and just breaks the rules far often to start over again, at least not right now. He acts as if his "moments" (of basic law-breaking) are "cute" and "teenage" but while he has a baby face in his 50s it is just no longer cute for him to party while telling everyone else they can't visit their grandmother.

Maybe in his 60s, he can make a comeback, as British politicians often do, but right now, I think he would just be a joke and a dangerous one at that.

They have the same problem as the Democrats in the USA, only not quite that bad (I don't think) their top three replacements are not all totally unsuitable, just not especially talented or interesting (in my opinion).
 
Griz3752

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Melodi said:
Polls are showing that the majority of voters in the UK want another election, the problems are that by law there only has to be one every five years or something. They can be held at other times when the party in power decides to hold one (often when they are doing well, to try to increase their time in power) or when there is a vote of "No-confidence" in the party (complicated and I don't pretend to understand all of it).

There are actually a number of Torry MPs (Members of Parliament) who were talking openly about calling an election realizing they might lose their own jobs but with Labour 18 points ahead, they thought it might be better for the Conservative Party to have The Labour Party in Power during the economic train wreck and possible war period that is almost certain coming up in the near future.

It is also possible the Tories could simply screw things up badly enough that enough of their own members joined in a no-confidence vote and it forces an election.

A lot the UK Population is really unhappy with the current "selection" of Prime Ministers by a very small group of people.
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Pretty much the same in Canuckistan but a Vote of No Confidence in the sitting govt. there usually revolves around actual money bills.

The five year thing is he same and, if the Party in power hits five years w/o calling an election, the GG pulls the trigger.

Your assessment of the current UK situation is exactly how I understand it. Nice to know The Brits are living up (or down) to their longstanding traditions . . .
 
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WTH.

Yup...Boris is looking pretty good again as designated goat. Heck....all he did was host a couple of private wine and cheese parties without masks, or whatever the big (stupid) beef was with him. :lkick:

Seriously, if the Brits held elections right now, they would overwhelmingly elect a bunch of Commie Labor-ites just for spite.
If you think they are circling the drain now, that would complete the flush into madness.
 
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