Another hugely insightful post

MrO

Senior Member
I'm a really great fan of blogs and am impressed by what they've turned out to be. Here's a new blogger who in his first post got an incredible amount of attention because he really nailed an issue in his very first entry.

I'll copy his post below, but I urge you to go visit his site and read the feedback from others. There's a lot of good will and great commentary on the comment in that feedback.

First, the link:

http://backseatphilosopher.blogspot.com/2004/11/to-my-fellow-democrats.html

Here's the article:

To My Fellow Democrats

We Democrats are supposedly the party of the therapists, the teachers, and the 'relationship experts.' If anybody would be proud of the title, 'active listener', it would be a Democrat. We're the soft ones who understand where the other side is coming from and negotiate.

Many Democrats think that our patience and understanding are our weakness. "We don't know how to fight like the Republicans," we all told ourselves after Florida 2000. "We have to be more like them: tougher, meaner." "We have to energize our base more."

Actually, no. Our error is that we Democrats are far less understanding than we think we are. Our version of understanding the other side is to look at them from a psychological point of view while being completely unwilling to take their arguments seriously. "Well, he can't help himself, he's a right-wing religious zealot, so of course he's going to think like that." "Republicans who never served in war are hypocrites to send young men to die. " "Republicans are homophobes, probably because they can't deal with their secret desires." Anything but actually listening and responding to the arguments being made.

And when I say 'responding,' I don't just mean 'coming up with the best counterargument and pushing it.' Sometimes responding to an argument means finding the merit in it and possibly changing one's position. That is part of growth, right?

Here are some arguments that are being made that the Democratic party has simply not responded to, in the larger sense of the word "response":

** Whatever the UN was, might have been, or should be, it now isn't. Genocidal tyrannies are on the Human Rights commision. Saddam Hussein funneled over 1.7 billion dollars to various decision makers and world leaders to weaken his sanctions program. One out of every three votes is about Israel. Until the UN is significantly reformed, you shouldn't take its decisions seriously.

** If we view 1000 or even 10,000 dead soldiers as unacceptable, we will never be able to fight a real war again.

** Proportional response with no preemption allows the other side to set the pace of the battle.

** Throughout history, governments have had a strong interest in promoting long-term child-rearing heterosexual relationships. That is why governments create a legal definition of Marriage and provide lots of benefits to heterosexual couples who enter into it. This has been true for States throughout history independent of the religious beliefs of the populace. Worrying about changing that definition, even to the point of deciding against a change, is not automatically sexism or bigotry.

** If you never are willing to draw a line where human life starts, there will be no line.

** Just because it says something in the Bible doesn't mean there are no ancillary arguments supporting it. And just because someone uses the Bible as a source of their morality doesn't mean that any particular view of theirs is wrong. Actually, stuff that's lasted for thousands of years is more likely to be useful than stuff that was dreamed up in a French philosophy book.

I am not saying that all these arguments should win. But I do not hear enough Democrats elucidating reasoned counterarguments to these positions. "Bush insulted our allies and the UN," "Bush lied, people died," "We have become the aggressor," "Homophobia," "Religious nut." These are not responses, these are dismissals. When Democrats start actively responding, we will succeed. Until then, we will be increasingly ignored as irrelevent.
 

SouthernGal

"Don't retreat...reload"
bigwavedave said:
just another GOP site masquerading as dems. psy-ops all the way.


You just couldn't resist, could you? Do you not see that THIS is exactly what is needed now?

How long can conservatives and liberals go on hating / despising each other and throwing out names that continually do nothing but divide us even further, before we come to blows in this country?

I am a moderate leaning conservative. And, yes, I am a Christian foremost. I do not want to impose Christianity on anyone. I am a conservative in that I feel that anyone who is ABLE to work SHOULD work. However, I also believe we should take care of our elderly and our children. I also want a clean environment and HATE the way developers down here (with the support of our gov't) are determined to wipe out every tree in my city.

We MUST stop the name calling and the bickering and come together as Americans. I'm not head over heels with Bush - I'm keeping two wary eyes on him. I had to vote the lesser of two evils (again) - I had no other choice. My biggest issue wasn't even "morality" based - my main issue was which candidate would strive more to preserve America's sovereignty. And, the answer was NOT Kerry.

The Democrats need to learn the lesson that is being given right now and come up with some moderates to put forward as candidates in '08. I said it before and I'll say it again - Hillary does not have a chance in hell of winning the Presidency and the Dem's had better recognize that.
 

bigwavedave

Deceased
You just couldn't resist, could you? Do you not see that THIS is exactly what is needed now?

bwahahahaha! just what we need - more strength for the current one-party system.

wake up people!
 

jlee

Inactive
What the blogger is posting is true. But since he or she agrees with the Republican point of view, that truth is by definition not worth paying attention to.


Denial of reality, anyone? Any group which is so resentful that they will ignore truth this way, a) will never make any worthwhile progress, and b) shows definite symptoms of mental illness.
 

notred

Inactive
Patient? Understanding? Listeners? The ones who stuff their fingers in their ears and yell BIGOT! HOMOPHOBE! WARMONGER! EVANGELICAL! HATER! and other politically correct dirty names at the least disagreement and slight? I know dozens of liberals up close and personal and 3/4 of them act as if they have rabies whenever any hotbotton issues come up.

So another problem they have is a warped sense of self. Listen to who? Michael Moore? Listen to what? NPR?
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
as a Republican, i support tax breaks for liberals who agree to have themselves treated for involuntary, irrational hate-mongering, and chronic bouts of self-righteous delusion. a bonus would be paid for those able to prove that they no longer are controlled by demons and/or paranoia.
 
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