SCI Ancient Roman Coins found in Japanese Excavation

[Melodi]

I think it is hilarious that the first reports of this were thought to be a hoax; I mean it is well known at this point that there was trade between China and the Ancient Roman Empire, and China traded with Japan- makes perfect sense; I mean after all two Chinese skeletons were buried in Roman London - People got around and Money got even further if it was made of real metal.

Ancient Roman coins found buried under ruins of Japanese castle leave archaeologists baffled

The rare coins are thought to date back to around 400AD

Gabriel Samuels

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The remarkable coins were found after years of excavating at the castle site Urama Board of Education

Archaeologists were left baffled by the "strange" discovery of ancient Roman coins buried in the ruins of a castle in Japan.

The four copper coins were retrieved from soil beneath Katsuren Castle on Okinawa Island, and were originally thought to be a hoax before their true provenance was revealed.

The designs on the coins are difficult to decifer as they have been eroded over time, but x-ray analysis revealed several of the relics bore the image of Emperor Constantine I.

Since excavation on the site began in 2013, researchers have also found a further six coins which may be dated back to the Ottoman Empire in the late 17th century.

The Roman coins appear to be much older, dating back to at least 400AD according to estimates.

The board of education in the Japanese city of Uruma announced the discovery, and said the story of how the coins came to arrive in Japan remained shrouded in doubt.
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Ottoman coins and other relics were also found among the ruins (Urama Board of Education)

Katsuren Castle was known to have been the focal point of trading partnerships with China and other Asian countries, but ties to Europe were not evident until the recovery of the coins.

Education spokesman Masaki Yokou told CNN: "It is a strange and interesting find. We don't think that there is a direct link between the Roman Empire and Katsuren Castle, but the discovery confirms how this region had trade relations with the rest of Asia."

The coins will be analysed further and displayed at Uruma City museum on Okinawa until the end of November.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...okinawa-buried-ancient-currency-a7332901.html

 

[Limner]

Now, THAT is KOOL!!!!!!

I've been saying for a long time that people got out and about FAR more than what the history books talk about. Or what the narrative wants us to believe.

 

[WalknTrot]

A 5th century coin stamped for Constantine I? Doesn't surprise me. No doubt a copper coin would be an easy to carry and impressive souvenir/trade good for a traveler. By then, many people were accomplished traders, explorers and travelers. Human beings are always pushing the boundaries of the map, and interesting, unique items get passed from hand to hand same as today. Marco Polo just got all "the press" by writing a book about his adventures many hundreds of years later. He was by no means the first westerner in the Orient.

 

[Melodi]

Since Chinese are buried in London and we know from both excavations and historical accounts that Imperial Rome had silk (then only produced in China) there were a lot more contacts that usually realized.

There is also a lot of material still be translated from the Roman period which occasionally brings up surprises like a possible visit of Chinese Diplomats to the Emperor (sadly no link, but if I see a mention of this I will try to post; and I'm not sure it has been confirmed but wouldn't be impossible).

Recent DNA has also suggested that the story of "Le Gin" the town in China supposedly founded by a lost Roman legion after a battle may be true after all (despite a documentary a few years ago trying to knock down the idea); it is still early days on this one and the kicker is the Chinese have no records of it (and they were keeping records at that point) but the DNA seems to point to the old traditions as being the correct one.

Perhaps it was only a few soldiers that made it, and they kept under the local radar or something? Hard to tell but history if full of these sorts of mysteries...

Personally, I would love to see the next thing be Japanese or Chinese Coinage showing up in probably a burial in Peru or a cave on the US West Coast....that isn't WOO even if some mainstream scientists act as if it were.

There's a current from Japan that goes directly to Peru with IDENTICAL pottery found in both places 7,000 years ago; and while the Pacific is a big place; the Chinese, Koreans, Japanese and even South Indians knew how to make strong ships and were not scared of long trading adventures on land and sea.

For that matter there is absolutely nothing that in theory stops a determined merchant family from making their way up the Coast of China/Russia and then over the short islands of Arctic sea hopping to get to Alaska either; except perhaps nothing really viewed as being valuable enough or unusual enough to bother such a hazardous trek.

There is some growing hints (mostly from a professor of plant biology from South India who wasn't aware she was opening a firestorm) of Maize Corn making to to very Southern India per-Columbus (like about three to five hundred years or so) but that is still being looked at.

Still speculation at this point but it really annoys me when some researchers put such things in the same category as Ancient Aliens; one is possible history the other is still at this point "woo."

 

[fredkc]

I think it is hilarious that the first reports of this were thought to be a hoax;

Something I've thought about doing:
Take some unconnected objects, like:
a key-chain Rubick's Cube,
AA battery,
Quarter,
TV remote,
Rabbit's foot,
and ... maybe a tie clip.
Put them in a box, seal it up, and bury it.

Then walk away smiling because...
500 years from now, some poor archeologist is going to find it, and spend 1/2 of his life trying to figure out
1. What they are.
2. What the combination means.

"Da Debil made me doo it!"

 

[packyderms_wife]

Something I've thought about doing:
Take some unconnected objects, like:
a key-chain Rubick's Cube,
AA battery,
Quarter,
TV remote,
Rabbit's foot,
and ... maybe a tie clip.
Put them in a box, seal it up, and bury it.

Then walk away smiling because...
500 years from now, some poor archeologist is going to find it, and spend 1/2 of his life trying to figure out
1. What they are.
2. What the combination means.

"Da Debil made me doo it!"

Think of all of those time capsules that have been long buried and forgotten.

 

[Meadowlark]

The ancient world was often far more sophisticated than we modern men are willing to admit.

 

[MinnesotaSmith]

Think of all of those time capsules that have been long buried and forgotten.

Yeah, like the vast majority of them.

 

[Dozdoats]

Still speculation at this point but it really annoys me when some researchers put such things in the same category as Ancient Aliens; one is possible history the other is still at this point "woo."

Archaeology in modern times is as much a conventional religion as it is a science. The orthodoxy in the FUSA is "NOTHING Pre-Clovis." The heresy of truth keeps trying to break past the orthodoxy but so far ...

 

[tanstaafl]

Something I've thought about doing:
Take some unconnected objects, like:
a key-chain Rubick's Cube,
AA battery,
Quarter,
TV remote,
Rabbit's foot,
and ... maybe a tie clip.
Put them in a box, seal it up, and bury it.

Then walk away smiling because...
500 years from now, some poor archeologist is going to find it, and spend 1/2 of his life trying to figure out
1. What they are.
2. What the combination means.

"Da Debil made me doo it!"

If you want to screw with future archeologists, then you need to mix ancient with modern and local with far away cultures. It wouldn't hurt to throw in the remains of a few mutated critters and some random nuts, bolts, and gears. Heck, they rebuild entire dinosaurs out of a bone or two, so imagine what kind of culture they'd come up with a mutant "buried" with really diverse grave goods and an "unidentifiable, purpose unknown" machine.

 

[Melodi]

Or you can do what we did, not exactly on purpose but I see its funny side...

Everyone probably has heard of sites that are "temples" because there are lots of animals buried there with "ritual grave goods" and the like; we I realized one day that no only did we have a horse buried in the back field with "grave goods" we have numerous cats buried in various lovely parts of our six acres including kittens that were still born and other "obviously" sacred ages or positions (with lots of grave goods like toy mice, amber beads and cat toys).

We also have several dogs including a huge Wolf-Dog (North American at that); oh and then there really is an outbuilding where we set up an altar and a hand carved fire place mantel; and some of the cats are buried behind it (because it was the garden area years ago and we planted a cat nip shrine of sorts over the grave).

I told Nightwolf a couple of years ago "we are going to so confuse some future archeologists; especially if it a bit further in the future and they are going to think they have found 'The Temple of the Cats' or something..."

 

[mzkitty]

Or you can do what we did, not exactly on purpose but I see its funny side...

Everyone probably has heard of sites that are "temples" because there are lots of animals buried there with "ritual grave goods" and the like; we I realized one day that no only did we have a horse buried in the back field with "grave goods" we have numerous cats buried in various lovely parts of our six acres including kittens that were still born and other "obviously" sacred ages or positions (with lots of grave goods like toy mice, amber beads and cat toys).

We also have several dogs including a huge Wolf-Dog (North American at that); oh and then there really is an outbuilding where we set up an altar and a hand carved fire place mantel; and some of the cats are buried behind it (because it was the garden area years ago and we planted a cat nip shrine of sorts over the grave).

I told Nightwolf a couple of years ago "we are going to so confuse some future archeologists; especially if it a bit further in the future and they are going to think they have found 'The Temple of the Cats' or something..."

"Catnip shrine" hahahahaha