OT/MISC Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Killed Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and Injured Director. New Charges Filed!

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
IF you are close enough to the end of the barrel a BLANK CAN seriously harm or even KILL you. Or if something (ANYTHING) gets into the barrel it becomes a projectile. Blank rounds are often overloaded with powder to give a realistic "BANG" on camera. Someone screwed up for sure!

I have a buddy working on a movie set right now as the firearm safety officer. He's constantly on some of the actors to NOT "F" around with the "prop" firearms. Just because a bullet is not in the round does not make it safe to play with!

Gunnery Sgt's NUMBER ONE RULE: ALL GUNS ARE LOADED ALL THE TIME and NEVER point a firearm at anything you don't want to DESTROY!!

Someone broke those two rules and someone died!
 

Repairman-Jack

Veteran Member
shades of Brandon Lee or something else? Inquiring minds want to know....
The Brandon Lee incident happened on the set of The Crow, the story was the had done close ups of the gun being pointed at his character before he was shot and they had inert rounds in the gun (revolver). They swapped them out with blanks but the round had fallen out of somehow got lodged in the barrel and when then the blank was fire it propelled the tip into his abdomen.

Afterwards if I recall with the long hours on set either the prop/weapons master was not on site of the had an inexperienced fill in, very sad to this day The Crow is one of my favorite movies.

The other incident I remember from my childhood was the lead male actor from a tv show called Cover Up discharged a weapon on the set while play Russian roulette
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
There are already wheels within wheels of plots and subplots; these people live in fantasyland and can't resist that. No such thing as bad publicity.

One thing for certain is that the great unwashed will never know the actual truth.

Prop gun accidentally misfired? Yeah right.... Brazenly cleaning up a soured relationship? Doubt it but that'll certainly make the rounds. Will Baldwin get chased back to Canada? Fat chance....

He was a good choice for Jack Ryan in Hunt for Red October, I have to admit.
 

end game

Veteran Member
I didn't read where Mr Baldwin had been arrested, when will that occur? First round was involuntary manslaughter, second round was 3rd degree murder. No walking back the pointing of the gun at people and the pulling of the trigger.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
How the hell did a live round get on the set?

My first thought too. Thought all those movie firearms were not live ammunition.

Plus, two apparently were hit. By the same round, or was he repeatedly firing?

And was it accidental?

Ask Brandon Lee...

 

mikeho78

Contributing Member
Wel THERE's the Problem. Jensen Ackles. Supernatural, and Soldier Boy in "the Boys"...


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In NYC, the prop guns get loaded by a separate prop person, who is overseen by an ON DUTY cop and who has the authority to stop ANYTHING he has a problem with.

there are other failsafe in there as well.

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In the late 90's there was a show which used the song "I need a hero" as a theme. ANYhow, the male lead in that show was horsing around with a prop auto that he put to his head and shot. At tneh TIME there were not a LOt of protections involved and well, what he shot WAS the blank, which was a wax pellet, which entered his head and proved fatal after a few days....
I think the show was called Cover Up, but it was earlier than 90's
 

Breeta

Veteran Member
I would think it would be someone in the prop or firearms department who loaded that gun, not Alec Baldwin. At least that’s how it’s usually handled.
 

zeker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I recall a show called "alias smith and jones'

1 of the stars did himself while showing off how blanks dont kill
 

Voortrekker

Veteran Member
Here's my theory. Baldwin is an actor and they tend to be creatively compulsive. He walked up to the pair before filming and performed a "gag" of shooting both people up close at point blank range. Oopsies, something isn't like the movies.

Blank cartridges are not harmless, they are dangerous within a few feet, rifle blanks are dangerous up to twenty feet. Movie prop guns are designed to not hold live ccartridges.
The blanks exert pressure and propel energy forward as the gasses expand.
 

West

Senior
If the scene required the 'shooter' to be facing the camera when discharging the weapon, I can see how the people 'behind' the camera might be hit with live ammo.

Right, and the real ammo that this POS actor most likely provided.

I think she had something on him.

The wounded was just for theatrical effect.

My WAG.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Blank rounds are often overloaded with powder to give a realistic "BANG" on camera.
That’s no longer the case, and hasn’t been for years. Most sound effects these days are dubbed-in. The on-stage guns just make a little pop.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Travis Fimmel as a bounty hunter in a Western..now THERE's some news!

Just kidddddding...

...of course Baldwin is an obnoxious idiot, but hard to believe even he would be extracurricularly messing around on set with a gun that carried loads capable of that sort of damage. Prop guy better have not screwed up, but people are human and stuff happens.

Waiting for more info.
 

Terrwyn

Veteran Member
I'm not buying the story. Maybe one person but 2? No way. At the very least sounds like he was screwing around with the gun and should be charged with manslaughter.
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
they even watch the blank firing guns >>> idiot actor back in the 1980s blew a chunk of skull into his brain - put a gun up to his head and BAM - dead on the spot ...
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
This happened on a set bCk in the lat3 eighties early nineties with another actor, initial reports it was a blank gone wrong. Final analysis it was an actual bullet. He was quite the upcoming actor, iiirc it was a gay guy who swapped out the loads, unrequited love and all of that stuff.

I never saw that - it was still a blank on WIKI >> blew a chunk of skull into his brain
 

ktrapper

Veteran Member
I hope he gets charged for murder. But he probly won’t. I hope at least this stupid somebitch is ran out of the entertainment industry for ever and dies homeless, pooping on the streets of LA.
 

Quiet Man

Nothing unreal exists
Why was he even aiming at the cinematographer on set? That alone is contrary to policy and could get him convicted.
 

et2

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Expect him in the near future be be “dramatically“ for gun control. Even though he has zero clue in handling firearms. We haven’t heard the last from this turd ball.

He’ll blame everyone but himself. He’s a short fused pathetic human being.
 

rafter

Since 1999
Here's my theory. Baldwin is an actor and they tend to be creatively compulsive. He walked up to the pair before filming and performed a "gag" of shooting both people up close at point blank range. Oopsies, something isn't like the movies.

Blank cartridges are not harmless, they are dangerous within a few feet, rifle blanks are dangerous up to twenty feet. Movie prop guns are designed to not hold live ccartridges.
The blanks exert pressure and propel energy forward as the gasses expand.

Not sure about the 'not hold live cartridge' part. I would thing they would use the same gun we use in cowboy mounted shooting which are period copies of a colt .45. You can put a live round in them if you wanted to. The ammo we use to simulates the same as a life round fired is loaded with black powder.

How close was he when he shot her and where? That is the question as far as why she died. I know people that have accidently shot their horses ear and it took the hair off and burned it's ear but it wasn't taking the full impact.

Was the ammo packed wrong by whoever does it for the studio? The bullets look nothing like a live round. The brass is a little longer and crimped at the end...not a bullet end.

My avatar shows what they look like when fired.
 

jward

passin' thru
Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shot and Killed a Woman Filming His New Movie...And There's an Ironic Twist
Matt Vespa

3-4 minutes


Alec Baldwin killed a woman. It was an accident. It’s a tragic on-set blunder that was an eerie throwback to the equally tragic incident involving the late Brandon Lee on the set of The Crow. Lee was also killed with a faulty prop gun. While filming his new movie Rust, Baldwin fired a prop gun that killed the cinematographer. The director, Joel Souza, was also injured (via Variety):
Alec Baldwin fired a prop gun on a set in New Mexico on Thursday, causing the death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounding director Joel Souza.
The incident occurred on the set of “Rust,” an independent feature that was filming at the Bonanza Creek Ranch, a popular production location south of Santa Fe.
Hutchins, 42, was transported by helicopter to University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque, where she died. Souza, 48, was taken by ambulance to Christus St. Vincent Regional Medical Center in Santa Fe, where he is undergoing treatment for his injuries, according to the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s office.
The Sheriff’s office said in a statement that Hutchins and Souza “were shot when a prop firearm was discharged by Alec Baldwin, 68, producer and actor.” The Santa Fe New Mexican reported that Baldwin was questioned by investigators, and was in tears.
The ironic twist in this whole story is that the film is centered around an accidental death (via NY Post):
“Rust” — a western feature that is also being produced by Baldwin — began filming this month.
Baldwin plays outlaw Harland Rust who helps his estranged 13-year-old grandson run from the law after the teen was sentenced to hanging for the accidental killing of a rancher in Kansas.
The real question is how this could have happened.
The death of Brandon Lee on the set of The Crow is the closest analogy to this. The leading theory is he was killed when a prop bullet was left in a prop gun and then a blank was fired. But, the details of that are still somewhat murky. Brandon Lee Apparently Killed by .44 Bullet : Movies: Even after autopsy finding, North Carolina police are still treating the actor's death as accidental.
— Stephen Gutowski (@StephenGutowski) October 22, 2021
This is the best rundown I've seen of prop gun accidents on sets. Prop guns and blanks can certainly be dangerous if not handled properly, just like regular guns. I haven't found examples of more than one person being hurt in an accident like this before. Movie Gun Deaths Blank Ammunition Deaths Blanks Can Kill
— Stephen Gutowski (@StephenGutowski) October 22, 2021
And some have noted if "prop gun" is an accurate term to use here initially because, well--there are questions:


Two people shot, one dead and one critical?
That doesn’t sound accidental, nor like the work of a “prop.”
There’s something off about this story. https://t.co/yVTt1WymXL
— Marina Medvin ???? (@MarinaMedvin) October 22, 2021
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
I hope he gets charged for murder. But he probly won’t. I hope at least this stupid somebitch is ran out of the entertainment industry for ever and dies homeless, pooping on the streets of LA.
He will be made a "hero" on the basis of "poor Alec" effect.

People will invite him to their parties. He'll be given scripts to "read for" (but not be selected) and lunch paid for by the studios. He'll be given the best "line of blow." Young women will "come on" to him.

Wined & dined and feted - but never again given a serious challenge or opportunity.

He'll henceforth be the "lap dog" of the Leftist Hollywood Progressives. (But laughed at behind his back - expect another SNL skit...) Two faced leftists.

"Poor Alec."

Dobbin
 
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