A Straussian Mandate for Total War

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Bush Win: A Straussian Mandate for Total War
Kurt Nimmo
November 04, 2004


Carol Giacomo of Reuters writes:

Armed with a clearer mandate than the disputed 2000 election,
President Bush may well use a second term to advance the robust
conservative foreign policy "revolution" he launched four years ago—a
move some say would be a huge mistake.

Most Americans do not understand the dynamics of the Bush
administration. It is ruled by a camarilla of lunatic warmongers,
Straussian neocons who believe America's military power should be used
to "reshape" the Middle East in the name of Greater Israel.

Bush's Straussian advisors are fixated on killing Arabs and Muslims, the same
way Israel's Sharon is fixated on killing Palestinians. Bush's evil
genius mastermind is Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, "now
widely known as 'Wolfowitz of Arabia' for his obsession with ousting
Iraq's Saddam Hussein as the first step in transforming the entire
Arab Middle East," writes Jim Lobe, one of a few journalists who
speaks the truth about the Straussian neocons. "Wolfowitz is also seen
as the chief architect of Washington's post-9/11 global strategy,
including its controversial pre-emption policy."

In addition to Wolfowitz, Lobe mentions two "other very influential Straussians
[including] Weekly Standard Chief Editor William Kristol and Gary
Schmitt, founder, chairman, and director of the Project for the New
American Century (PNAC), a six-year-old neoconservative group whose
alumni include Vice President Dick Cheney and Pentagon chief Donald
Rumsfeld, as well as a number of other senior foreign policy
officials."

As Schmitt told Giacomo, Bush "has made it clear over the past year
that he's not changing the overall direction of his policy. … [Bush]
may well change personnel (in his government) and tactical decisions,
but his overall vision is going to remain the same." In other words,
the White House will remain an appendage of PNAC and the Straussian
neocons.

Giacomo writes:

This includes doggedly pushing plans to try to transform Iraq into a
democracy and making good on a pledge that Iran should never be
allowed to acquire nuclear weapons. Schmitt said the Iran pledge may
ultimately require using force. For the moment, Bush is geared toward
a Nov. 25 deadline for persuading the U.N. nuclear agency to send the
issue to the U.N. Security Council for possible sanctions.

Of course, the Bushcons don't care about transforming "Iraq into a
democracy," in fact democracy is antithetical to all things
Straussian. As Lobe writes elsewhere (
http://www.alternet.org/story/15935 ), quoting Shadia Drury, who
teaches politics at the University of Calgary and is an expert on the
philosophy of Leo Strauss, the Bushcons "really have no use for
liberalism and democracy, but they're conquering the world in the name
of liberalism and democracy."

Strauss had a "huge contempt" for secular democracy. Nazism, he
believed, was a nihilistic reaction to the irreligious and liberal
nature of the Weimar Republic. Among other neoconservatives, Irving
Kristol has long argued for a much greater role for religion in the
public sphere, even suggesting that the Founding Fathers of the
American Republic made a major mistake by insisting on the separation
of church and state. And why? Because Strauss viewed religion as
absolutely essential in order to impose moral law on the masses who
otherwise would be out of control. … While professing deep respect for
American democracy, Strauss believed that societies should be
hierarchical—divided between elite who should lead, and the masses who
should follow.


On November 2, 59,054,087 Americans (if we can believe the election
results) gave Bush and his Straussian managers, Strauss' platoian
elite, a mandate to lead, while the rest of us will be expected to
follow. "I think it's still possible Bush will hew to the
neo-conservative line … If that happens, I predict disaster," Patrick
Cronin of the Center for Strategic and International Studies told
Reuters.

Not a disaster for the Straussian neocons, who will retreat to the
sanctuary of their think tanks and foundations, but a disaster for the
American people. And that disaster will be Iran. "Of course, you do
know that now the Bush administration and the neocons are setting
America up for a war with Iran,
" writes Mike Rogers for Lew Rockwell,
quoting a Persian friend, Faramarz (
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rogers/rogers74.html ).

With George W. Bush as your next president, go ahead, America, attack
Iran. But, as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, you will be forced
to pay the piper. And it will, most certainly, be a catastrophically
heavy price. … Did you know that Iran has more than three times the
population of Iraq, and 63% of that population is under 31 years old?
Did you also know that, geographically speaking, Iran is four times
larger than Iraq? … Did you also know that, although no one is sure of
the total casualties during the Iran-Iraq war of 1979 to 1988,
estimates range from 800,000 to 1 million dead, at least 2 million
wounded, and more than 80,000 taken prisoner? That there were
approximately 2.5 million who became refugees and whose cities were
destroyed? That the financial cost is estimated at a minimum of $200
billion? And even though, according to some estimates, Iran lost about
one million soldiers, it was still not defeated?

"The United States says that we have endangered their interests,"
Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei told a crowd of thousands on a visit to
the city of Hamedan in western Iran in July of this year. "If anyone
invades our nation, we will jeopardize their interests around the
world," the Associated Press quotes Khamenei as warning. In other
words, if the Straussian warmongers manage to get the United States to
invade, Iran will attack the United States not simply in the Gulf, but
around the world. This is an ominous warning, to say the least.


As Mark Gaffney writes ( http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article71
47.htm ), Russia has developed an advanced anti-ship cruise missile,
known as the Moskit or "Sunburn," and this fearsome missile (for which
the United States military has no defense) is "a growth industry
generating much-needed cash for Russia, with many billions in combined
sales to India, China, Viet Nam, Cuba, and also Iran." Gaffney
explains what Iran's possession of this missile means:

The US Navy has never faced anything in combat as formidable as the
Sunburn missile. But this will surely change if the US and Israel
decide to wage a so-called preventive war against Iran to destroy its
nuclear infrastructure. Storm clouds have been darkening over the Gulf
for many months. In recent years Israel upgraded its air force with a
new fleet of long-range F-15 fighter-bombers, and even more recently
took delivery of 5,000 bunker-buster bombs from the US—weapons that
many observers think are intended for use against Iran.

The arming for war has been matched by threats. Israeli officials have
declared repeatedly that they will not allow the Mullahs to develop
nuclear power, not even reactors to generate electricity for peaceful
use. Their threats are particularly worrisome, because Israel has a
long history of pre-emptive war.

(…)

The US Navy will come under fire even if the US does not participate
in the first so-called surgical raids on Iran’s nuclear sites, that
is, even if Israel goes it alone. Israel’s brand-new fleet of 25
F-15s (paid for by American taxpayers) has sufficient range to target
Iran, but the Israelis cannot mount an attack without crossing
US-occupied Iraqi air space. It will hardly matter if Washington gives
the green light, or is dragged into the conflict by a recalcitrant
Israel. Either way, the result will be the same. The Iranians will
interpret US acquiescence as complicity, and, in any event, they will
understand that the real fight is with the Americans.

The Iranians will be entirely within their rights to counter-attack in
self-defense. Most of the world will see it this way, and will support
them, not America. The US and Israel will be viewed as the aggressors,
even as the unfortunate US sailors in harm’s way become cannon
fodder [attacked with Russian Sunburn missiles by Iran]. In the
Gulf’s shallow and confined waters evasive maneuvers will be
difficult, at best, and escape impossible. Even if US planes control
of the skies over the battlefield, the sailors caught in the net below
will be hard-pressed to survive. The Gulf will run red with American
blood…

Idle speculation? Maybe. Even so, Iran believes the threat from Israel
is so great it distributed "antiradiation pills to civilians in
townships surrounding" its nuclear reactors, according Martin van
Creveld, reporting for IHT in August.
"In a country that has always
sought to keep its nuclear activities out of the spotlight, that is a
highly unusual step." Iran knows more about Israel and the United
States' intentions than do most of the 59,054,087 "values-based"
Americans who gave the Straussian neocons a green light on November 2
to invade Iran (and Syria, Lebanon, maybe even Saudi Arabia, North
Korea, and Cuba—the list remains open for addition).

Of course, such ambitions will require plenty of bullet-stoppers—and
the Great Unwashed (and ill-educated) masses will be told by the
Straussian elite to pony up the lives of their kids, or their own
lives, not only in the name of Greater Israel, but also in the name of
mindless nationalism at home, a powerful force for societal control.
Leo Strauss believed aggressive nationalism and war are the glue that
binds society. "Strauss thinks that a political order can be stable
only if it is united by an external threat,"
Drury writes. "Following
Machiavelli, he maintained that if no external threat exists then one
has to be manufactured [emphases added]." Is it possible 9/11 was that
manufactured threat, the "new Pearl Harbor" that is so prominent in
Straussian neocon thinking, an excuse to initiate wars against Muslim
nations (for many Straussians are unabashed Zionists), beginning with
Afghanistan and Iraq and soon moving on to Iran, Syria, and elsewhere?

Obviously, invading large countries such as Iran will require
thousands, if not millions, of soldiers, so conscription (slavery)
will be on the front burner next year. Unfortunately, large numbers of
Americans are so ignorant of the Straussian philosophy and agenda,
preferring to see Bush as one of them—in other words, "values-based"
Christian evangelical simpletons—they will not catch on until it is
far too late, that is if they catch on at all.


59,054,087 Americans have decided America's fate—and it is a fate of
total war, not excluding nuclear confrontation (a distinct possibility
if Mark Gaffney's scenario comes to pass), and ultimately fascism
because, as history instructs, fascism and totalitarianism (with
attendant authoritarian control of society) is the ultimate result of
total war and the militarization of society, a process well under way
and now encouraged by stupid Americans who can't find Iran on a map.
 

snuffy

Inactive
If we go after Iran ,after the deals they have made with russia and china,the usa will be cutting Its own throat. If Israili bombs drop on Tehran,same thing,escalation that frankly scares hell outa me.The utter breathtakeing hubris shown sofar, tells me that the ones running this administration really dont have a friggin clue what they are about to unleash. God have mercy.....snuffy
 

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J'accuse: War Crimes & Iraq
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By Conn Hallinan

Submitted to Portside


"...The Parties to the conflict shall at all times
distinguish between the civilian population and
combatants and between civilian objects and
military objectives and accordingly shall direct
their operations only against military objectives"
Article 48, 1977 addition to the Geneva
Conventions, Part IV

The above "Basic Rule" is at the heart of the Geneva
Conventions, the international treaty that tries to be
the thin line that separates civilization from
savagery. It is not something the Bush Administration
has paid much attention to as it goes about the
"pacification" of Iraqi cities where local insurgents
are resisting the American occupation.

Consider the following.

On Oct. 8, U.S. fighter bombers carried out what the
Pentagon called a "precision strike" against "terrorist
leaders" in Falluja, a sprawling city of 300,000 west
of Baghdad. For the past two months Falluja has been
the target of a bombing campaign. According to the New
York Times, the attack wounded 17 people, nine of whom
were women and children. The victims were apparently
from a wedding party that had just dispersed.

The Times went on to quote a "senior Pentagon official"
who said, "We know what the strike was supposed to hit
and we hit it. If a wedding party was going on, well,
it was in concert with a meeting of a top Zarqawi
lieutenant." Zarqawi is a Jordanian who has claimed
credit for numerous roadside bombings and
assassinations in Iraq.

But according to Article 50 of the Conventions, "The
presence within the civilian population of individuals
who do not come within the definition of civilians does
not deprive the population of its civilian character."

In short, the attack violated the Conventions, and the
"Pentagon official"---most likely Assistant Secretary
of Defense, Paul Wolfowitz--- should be arrested and
tried for violating international law. Since the attack
constituted a "grave breach" of the Conventions, the
official could also be charged under the 1996 U.S. War
Crimes Act.

In the same article, the Times also quoted a "senior
Bush Administration official" as saying that the
bombing was helpful for exploiting "fault lines" in
Falluja, and that it would push the "citizenry" of
Falluja to deny sanctuary and assistance to the
insurgents, "adding "that's a good thing."

The "official" might, indeed, think it was "a good
thing," but it also violated Article 51, which states:
"The civilian population as such, as well as individual
civilians, shall not be the object of attack."

A "Pentagon official" also told the Times: "If there
are civilians dying in connection with these attacks,
and with the destruction, the locals at some point have
to make a decision. Do they want to harbor the
insurgents and suffer the consequences that come with
that?"

In other words, terrify the civilian population into
cooperating, a strategy that Article 51 explicitly
forbids: "Acts or threats of violence, the primary
purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian
population, are prohibited."

The violations of the Convention are not limited to the
bombing campaigns. The Washington Post recently
revealed that the Bush Administration allowed the CIA
to transfer Iraqi combatants out of the country (a
violation of Article 49) and to hide them from the Red
Cross (a violation of Article 63).

According to an FBI report, FBI agents visiting Abu
Ghraib Prison, witnessed hooded and chained Iraqi
prisoners being slapped by U.S. soldiers, who told the
agents it was a sleep depravation technique. The agents
also saw prisoners held naked in tiny isolation cells.
The Defense Department readily admits it uses loud
music, painful restraints, and a semi-drowning
technique called "water boarding," to "soften up"
prisoners for interrogation.

All of the above behavior breaks numerous parts of the
Convention. Article 85, for instance, says that,
"Sleeping quarters shall be sufficiently spacious and
well ventilated." Article 90 instructs that, "The
clothing supplied by the Detaining Power to internees
and the outward marking placed on their clothing shall
not be ignominious or expose them to ridicule." Article
117 says, "Imprisonment in premises without daylight,
and in general, all forms of cruelty without exception
are prohibited"

Besides transgressions of Geneva, the agents also
witnessed violations of several other international
treaties the U.S. is a signatory to.

Article 5 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
states: "No one shall be subjected to torture or to
cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment."

The UN Convention Against Torture prohibits, "any act
by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or
mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such
purposes as obtaining from him or a third person
information or a confession," adding "no exceptional
circumstances whatsoever may be invoked as a
justification for torture."

On Oct. 27, Theo van Boven, UN director of reports on
torture, expressed "serious concern" over "allegations
of attempts to circumvent the absolute nature of the
prohibition of torture and other forms of ill treatment
in the name of countering terrorism, particularly in
relationship to interrogation and conditions of
detention of prisoners." While he did not charge the
U.S. by name, there is no argument about to whom he was
referring to.

The Bush Administration likes to invoke the so-called
changed nature of the post-9/11 world as the attacks
created new conditions that the Conventions no longer
apply to, somehow trumping U.S. adherence to
international law. White House counsel Alberto Gonzales
dismisses the Geneva Conventions as "quaint," and the
U.S. Justice Department wrote up memos giving the CIA
the right to violate both international laws and the
U.S. War Crimes Act.

But systematic violations of the Geneva Conventions by
the U.S. hardly started with 9/11. Indeed, they are
characteristic of virtually every conflict the U.S. has
been involved in since the end of World War II. The
following are just a few examples:

• According to a 1999 Pulitzer Prize winning series
by Associated Press, it was the official policy of the
U.S. military to fire on South Korean civilians during
the Korean War. U.S. bombing also obliterated virtually
every civilian target in North Korea.

• In Vietnam, civilians living in "free fire
zones"---most of the country---were considered valid
targets, and civilians were overwhelmingly the victims
of bombing during the Indochina war. Then National
Security Advisor Henry Kissinger instructed the U.S.
Air Force to bomb "anything that moved" in Cambodia. >
>From 1967 to 1970, the "Phoenix Program" assassinated
some 60,000 to 70,000 civilians in South Vietnam. A
U.S. Congressional study found that the Program
"appears to have violated the 1948 Geneva Conventions
for the protection of civilians."

• Bombing attacks in the first Gulf War and the
Kosovo War, systematically targeted power plants and
grids, railway stations, refineries, communication
networks, sewerage treatment facilities, and water
purification plants, in spite of Article 54 of the
Geneva Conventions which prohibits attacking any
objectives "indispensable to the survival of the
civilian population."

One could even make a case that the use of hundreds of
tons of Depleted Uranium Ammunition (DUA) in Kosovo and
the two Gulf wars constitutes a war crime. The
Conventions clearly require the victorious party to
assume responsibility for the conquered civilian
population and to clean up the chaos of war. DUA has
poisoned water supplies in Iraq, parts of Kuwait, and
Yugoslavia, and birth defectsand cancer incidences are
far higher in areas where DUA was used. The U.S.,
however, claims that DUA poses no potential health
risks,therefore it doesn't have to remove the low-
level radioactive debris.

It is not only a record Americans should be ashamed of,
it is one that should make us afraid. The Geneva
Conventions and other international laws were not drawn
up by bleeding heart liberals, nor were they designed
to protect weaker nations. They were a response to the
enormous numbers of civilian casualties inflicted by
World War II, and as a practical way to shield
everyone's armed forces from humiliation, torture and
death at the hands of an adversary.

If we are cavalier or dismissive about international
law, it will encourage others to be so as well. The
most likely victims of that policy will be we
civilians, as well as our own uniformed forces. If we
torture prisoners and hide them from the eyes of
organizations like the Red Cross, why shouldn't others
do the same to our soldiers and civilians?

In a recent commentary in the Financial Times, Jakob
Kellenberger, president of the International Committee
of the Red Cross, wrote: "The struggle against
terrorism cannot be legitimate if it undermines basic
values shared by humanity. The right to life and
protection against murder, torture and degrading
treatment must be at the heart of the actions of those
engaged in this struggle. The struggle will lose
credibility if it is used to justify acts otherwise
considered unacceptable, such as the killing of people
not participating in hostilities."

Apart from the inhumanity our actions engender, as an
entirely practical matter, to do anything less than
Kellenberger suggests is to place our own people in
harm's way.
 

USDA

Veteran Member
If we go after Iran ,after the deals they have made with russia and china,the usa will be cutting Its own throat. If Israili bombs drop on Tehran,same thing,escalation that frankly scares hell outa me.The utter breathtakeing hubris shown sofar, tells me that the ones running this administration really dont have a friggin clue what they are about to unleash.
Snuffy.

I think the administration does know what their doing....maybe not Dubya...he may never have had a clue...they intend to push for gobal hegemony...and doing it on the 'dime'. And they will probably push too far and provoke the other 'powers' of this world who will defend their turff just as we would ours.

The end will be devestation, probably world wide. The game plan as I see it...is to hit us where it hurts the most...for the time being...in the pocket book. If the dollar is under cut and loses it's 'reserve currancy' status...then we will be on a pay as you go basis...all credit denied....and since we are really flat broke will mean we have to use force to aquire what we need.

In other words...we will have become for sure...the worlds..."Bonnie and Clyde"....and increasingly unable to pay for the fight. It's such a shame...we could have done so much good and really been leaders of the world rather than the Jackbootedthugs we have become.

In the mean time...watch for the draft by June...gas rationing when it gets too expensive for even nurses to drive to work. Food shortages and ammo disappearing. Health care...only if you can hold a gun on the man doing the surgury.
 

Woolly

Veteran Member
Now I ask you, "What could possibly be worse than bringing democracy to a people"?

After all, these down trodden masses of the Middle East are stuck in the Middle Ages, and are not competent to govern themselves. 'Everybody' knows that, right?

To bring them democracy is pure folly! Let them drown in their own corruption. Let their children wallow in squalor, and die early of disease. What is the value of human life anyway?

One caveat, however: "To whom much is given, much is required.".

Just a thought,

Woolly
 

bigwavedave

Deceased
you are partially right, Woolly. they should be left alone but they need not live in squalor. they have a different culture than we do, that's all. they have developed that culture over thousands of years. we, on the other hand, are a mishmash who have developed little culture in a couple hundred years.

yes, i know, you think we are better. :sheep:
 

Samson

Senior Member
I do not think it is a question of who is better. It is a question of who can live and function in a civilized way in todays world?
 

bigwavedave

Deceased
Samson said:
I do not think it is a question of who is better. It is a question of who can live and function in a civilized way in todays world?

yep, and we're doing a really shitty job of it so far. you should do some investigation of the word, "civilized."
 

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Who Is Strauss?

Questions: Who is the Strauss named below? I have heard of him before but
do not know much about him. Is he a Jew? A Zionist? What is his relationship to the neocons?

"Strauss had a "huge contempt" for secular democracy. Nazism, he
believed, was a nihilistic reaction to the irreligious and liberal
nature of the Weimar Republic."

Flavius Aetius
 

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Sunburn missile

I posted this on another thread and am copying it here because of the threat that Iran may have or use this cruise missle.

Flavius Aetius

P.S. Bummer! the links got messed out again.

Some links on the sunburn missle originally posted on Downstreamer's forum (I had to repair the links). There are photos and specs on the Sunburn misslie in these articles.

http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/forump...html?pid=122358

http://taiwansecurity.org/WP/WP-021...ssians-Help.htm

www.softwar.net/3m82.html

www.softwar.net/ssn22.html

http://www.newsmax.com/scripts/prin...22/190620.shtml

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/.../row/moskit.htm

http://www.taiwandc.org/washt2001-03.htm
 
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