OP-ED A Separation is Coming for Our Nation – Will it be Peaceful?

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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This is a good morning to just ruminate on the state of the nation.
Way back in 1994, when I was writing for a local newspaper in Texas, I wrote a piece about how dangerous it was for the future of our country that those on the political left, led by Saul Alinsky disciples Bill and Hillary Clinton, were in the process of destroying the entire nature of the Democrat Party.

Prior to the elevation of the Clintons, the Democrat Party had been a party that was basically a hybrid of a true “liberal” philosophy on national security and international policy matters (i.e., fairly strong on defense with an aggressive promotion of American priorities in international dealings) and a “socialist” party focused on redistribution of the wealth on the margins, designed mainly to provide what they called a “safety net” to provide for those incapable of providing for themselves.

But, with the elevation of the flower children of the 1960s into leadership positions in our nation’s academia establishment in the 1980s, this all began to change. As our country’s education establishment radicalized and went about filling millions of minds full of mush with their radical notions, the Clintons saw this as an opportunity to move the country to a more pure form of socialism, and to deploy the Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals tactics in support of that effort.

This all gave birth to Hillary Clinton’s failed, almost comical effort to nationalize the nation’s healthcare industry, and to the beginnings of the death actual political debate in our nation. As the Pantsuit Princess pursued her radical plan, those opposed to her became not just political opponents to be debated in the arena of ideas, but outright enemies to be portrayed as literal evil figures who want to kill fellow Americans.
Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals consists of 13 rules for the destruction of an enemy, not the conduct of political debate, and the last of them reads as follows:
“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”
This is how the nation’s children had already by and large been taught to think about “big business”, “Republicans” and “conservatives” in general since the 1970s, and it is the main principle the Clintons and their spokespeople like James Carville, Paul Begala and Ann Lewis brought into the public arena as their main tactic. Republicans like Bob Dole and Newt Gingrich were no longer described as simply being wrong in a public policy sense, they were literally to be demonized and castigated on the Sunday morning talk shows as being the incarnations of Lucifer and Beelzebub in modern times.


Dirt from their backgrounds was collected and leaked to the rising numbers of mainstream media journalists who had come out of communications schools over the previous 15-20 years and who were willing to go to print or on-air with that dirt at times of the Democrat Party’s choosing. This effort to collect dirt on enemies was what generated the scandal about Hillary illegally obtaining the “raw FBI files” on more than 1,000 political opponents, a scandal strategically dealt with by the utterly corrupt Justice Department led by Janet Reno.


Of course, once it embarked on this course and allowed it to fully take hold, the Democrat Party could never go back, which is what I wrote in that 1994 piece. The deployment of Alyinskyism is like a cancer that metastasizes within an organism – if not cut out early enough, its spread ultimately becomes irreversible and kills the host.
Had the 1996 presidential election gone the other way, the Democrat Party might have been saved – there were still enough leaders in the party at that time who truly believed in America and might have been able to retake the party and steer it away from its destructive course.


But, just as they nominated the milquetoast and ineffectual Mitt Romney in 2012, Republicans in 1996 nominated the milquetoast and ineffectual Bob Dole, thus sealing the Democrat Party’s – and the nation’s – fate.
The increasingly-radicalized news media cheered.


And so it is that here we sit today, in early 2019, and the news media and Democrat Party have become completely indistinguishable from one another. Not only has the notion of actual political “debate” disappeared from the public arena, the entire notion of real, actual “news” has vanished from our nation’s airwaves and steadily disappearing newsprint.


As noted in yesterday’s Campaign Update, the jointly-determined Democrat/fake news media narrative is all we have left. That narrative dictates that Republicans and conservatives in general are evil, non-human beasts who are to be, in the words of Alinsky, “chosen, frozen, personalized and polarized.”


But, as we have seen over the past few years, this principle is not limited to the politicians, but to anyone who supports them, and now has even been extended to the children of parents who allow them to wear caps and t-shirts that contain a simple campaign slogan that talks about wanting to make their country great again. Indeed, the Democrats and their media agents have since 2016 consciously made an effort to demonize the 80 percent of mainland America that lies between the two coasts. The presence of Twitter, Facebook and other social media to serve as echo chambers for all of this divisiveness has only served as accelerants.


This is where the Clintons and their disciples have brought us. Electing the even more-radical Barack Obama to the presidency was seen as “progress” for our society’s destructors, and now the Democrat Party presents us with an array of choices for 2020 who make Obama and his unending efforts to divide the nation along racial-, gender- and any other lines he could think of on a daily basis look tame by comparison.


One of those 2020 hopefuls, Irish Bob O’Rourke – who the fake media wants you to believe is just like John F. Kennedy – openly questioned whether the U.S. Constitution is still relevant a few days ago, and no one in our fake media even blinked. I’m pretty sure JFK never questioned the applicability of the Constitution.


How do we come back from this? How does our nation absorb more than a quarter century of one major political party willingly converting itself into a degradation mob, a conversion that has now absorbed virtually our entire media establishment?


The answer probably is, we can’t. If you think these people can be reasoned with to see the error of their ways, well, there are no words for you. How could anyone watch what they all conspired to do to Brett Kavanaugh, and still harbor such hopes? How can anyone observe what they’ve been doing to a bunch of innocent high school kids the past 3 days, and still believe they are somehow redeemable?


The answer, pretty clearly now to anyone who is paying attention, must be that they aren’t. They aren’t redeemable, they refuse to be reasoned with, and that means that this is not salvageable.
Ordinary Americans see all of this happening – it has become impossible not to see it in recent years – and wonder what to do about it? The election of Donald Trump was largely a reaction to this phenomenon. But that outcome has only created focused and increasingly violent reaction from the radicals.


It make take another quarter century – by which time this writer will probably be long gone – but at some point the non-radicals who occupy the 80% of this nation out in “flyover country” will be left by the radicals with no choice but to either submit the will of hopeless ignoramuses like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or find a way to separate from them.


At that point, the question will become whether or not the Alinskyites in the Democrat/fake media establishment will allow the separation to happen peaceably. Given their history, how can anyone believe the answer to that question will be anything other than a very hostile “no”?
That is all.
 

dawnbringr

Veteran Member
It make take another quarter century – by which time this writer will probably be long gone – but at some point the non-radicals who occupy the 80% of this nation out in “flyover country” will be left by the radicals with no choice but to either submit the will of hopeless ignoramuses like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or find a way to separate from them.



I seriously doubt it will take anywhere near that long.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
25 years is a Conservative (and conservative) Optimist Approach.

The Left isn't that patient. They want it NOW!! And they are going to push it as hard as they possibly can to get it done in less than 5. likely trying for 2.

And "NOPE" is the answer as to peaceful.
 

Bogey

“Where liberty dwells, there is my country.”
Nope. The only question is, when does the balloon go up?
 

hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I look at Venezuela and how long that country has been basically in ruins. It has been years and yet there has not been any rise of the people there. Yes, the USA is a way different place. And I could agree that sometime in our future people could rise up here. But if so I certainly believe we are years away from that happening.
When the TV news shows shootouts between the police/military and citizens because those in power are confiscating guns door-to-door then it will be an armed rebellion.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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My thoughts on this:

Even if the communists could remove us from their sight without killing us, they would rather kill us. Why? Because we’re literally Nazis, and Nazis must be killed. In their psychosis, they’d not only be doing something highly pleasurable, but also would be “doing the world a service.”

That’s why there will be massive bloodshed when it finally cracks open. There is no stopping it.
 

dstraito

TB Fanatic
No, there will be violence.

If there was to be a separation, the current liberals would all be bunched up into dense urban areas of entitlement populations. The gibmedats would be expecting the handouts but the people with the work ethic would have left.

It is past time to go Galt and let them either learn a work which or perish.
 

rlm1966

Veteran Member
The real question is that when the balloon goes up do those NOT on the left have the stomach for what it is going to take to win. There will be no rules for their side and if you try to fight with civilized rules on the other side you might as well report to the reeducation camp. As a southerner it pains me to say it but in order to win the coming battle one must be willing to use the Sherman tactics of burning everything you can't use to the ground. Many will call that cruel or barbaric but it will be the only way to secure a victory or even a draw as you can bet they will be doing that and more.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
I look at Venezuela and how long that country has been basically in ruins. It has been years and yet there has not been any rise of the people there.

They are a homogeneous society pretty much. They all pretty much have the same social customs and mores and same background so it's easier for them to understand each other. The U.S. today is one big melting pot. In the past people living here and new immigrants were able to leave behind the past and forge a new identity as Americans. They still had their heritage but it didn't define them. Today you have African Americans, Asian Americans, Mexican Americans and the gays, lesbians and trannies all now have their own identity and demand that you kowtow to their new 'truths'. A big melting pot where people no longer are willing to assimilate and an entitlement society where few can do for themselves along with an increasingly Marxist government doesn't bode well for a peaceful separation in the land. A separation is coming but I don't see it being a peaceful one unfortunately.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
It looks like we are splitting into 3 - the commie socialists, the neocon old school socialists (progressives) and the Trump/conservatives.
 

hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I think an economic collapse will happen before any civil war. If that collapse/2nd great depression does happen, then it will be civil war only with many more than just two sides. It will be more like every man for himself.
 

rhughe13

Heart of Dixie
The real question is that when the balloon goes up do those NOT on the left have the stomach for what it is going to take to win. There will be no rules for their side and if you try to fight with civilized rules on the other side you might as well report to the reeducation camp. As a southerner it pains me to say it but in order to win the coming battle one must be willing to use the Sherman tactics of burning everything you can't use to the ground. Many will call that cruel or barbaric but it will be the only way to secure a victory or even a draw as you can bet they will be doing that and more.

The official Geneva Convention didn't come into place until after the Civil War. But it's pre concept moral principals were held dear throughout the world. It wasn't until Lincoln, Sherman, Sheridan, Grant, et, al had to revert to total war to win, did it become necessary to put it on paper.

If it comes down to fighting for the same principals again, then you are correct, there wont be civilized rules recognized on my behalf. The reason is because they have already violated all moral concepts to living, politics, fighting, etc. They are all thugs and will treated as such.
 

33dInd

Veteran Member
"they" do not want a separation
Nope
what "they" want is us disarmed and dead in no particular order
I do not believe it will be 25 down the road.
sooner
much much sooner
 
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Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
By definition, they are radical violent marxist revolutionary's. Violence is key to their march toward world government. They want the world culled to 500 million according to the Georgia Guidestones, something that must be understood. THe BIble makes it clear, they darn near get there.....butt ugly is coming folks, and it is much later than most realize. Ragnarok's thread is imperative to read and understand in regards to the end times.....it's accurate, it's on folks.
 

Bean Pole

Senior Member
By definition, they are radical violent marxist revolutionary's. Violence is key to their march toward world government. They want the world culled to 500 million according to the Georgia Guidestones, something that must be understood. THe BIble makes it clear, they darn near get there.....butt ugly is coming folks, and it is much later than most realize. Ragnarok's thread is imperative to read and understand in regards to the end times.....it's accurate, it's on folks.

Ractivist, can you direct me to that thread? Thanks.
 

Garryowen

Deceased
^^^ That's two.

Any optimists out there?

Very little evidence to support optimism.

OTOH

In about 700 BC, Sennacherib King of Assyria invaded Judea, captured all the fortified cities, and laid siege to Jerusalem. There was no earthly help coming from allies. Hezekiah was outnumbered and surrounded, and the rest of his kingdom had been captured. You can read Hezekiah's prayer in Isaiah 37.

The end result was the destruction of Sennacherib's army, and he himself was killed by his own sons.

Do I think God will deliver us from the wave of Communism? Well, He certainly doesn't have much reason to do so, given the reprobate nation we have become. But it seems to me that there is always the possibility the He will intervene. He spared Nineveh. Maybe we have a chance to avoid the destruction.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Interesting video about how the coming civil war would play out.
What I find particularly interesting is how the map changes when you forget about red and blue states and look at a county map.
That is why I find this scenario so interesting. It uses county maps and also looks at things like food production, military personnel political membership, foreign intervention from countries in favor of dems and repubs.
It talks about Canada trying to stay out of the fight and how Mexico once the shooting starts, won't be a threat.
It talks about the Dems being strung out along both the east and west coast and the opportunity for the Repubs to split and isolate them.
It talks about one side being able to mobilize quicker than the other and what a huge difference this would make in the beginning.
14 min video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0ep-u1_0T8
 

Mixin

Veteran Member
Thanks for the video about how a civil war will play out.

The comments at the Youtube link are priceless.
 

Ben Sunday

Deceased
Yet another short answer to add to the mixing bowl...

No.

The future is dark, icy cold, potentially quite violent and already cast in an ideological stone foundation. It will be a Herculean task of blood spattered proportions to actually bring about the dawn of a better day. Be advised I'm not holding my breath in anticipation of any positive developments.
 

JF&P

Deceased
It make take another quarter century – by which time this writer will probably be long gone – but at some point the non-radicals who occupy the 80% of this nation out in “flyover country” will be left by the radicals with no choice but to either submit the will of hopeless ignoramuses like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or find a way to separate from them.



I seriously doubt it will take anywhere near that long.

America as we know it won't exist in a quarter century and I will be dead...besides I think the Lord Jesus Christ will have returned by then. :p
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Between the table stakes and the lack of impulse control demonstrated by the radical left and the "competence" not demonstrated by the "progressives" this will happen sooner rather than later. It isn't just which group moves first, but which has staying power. The very likely emergence of a "military wing" of the radical left IMHO will be what touches things off. When you look at what "can be done" under OPLAN "Garden Plot", "REX 84" is on the mild side of it. Chile or Argentina in the 1970s probably doesn't even come close...
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
My thoughts on this:

Even if the communists could remove us from their sight without killing us, they would rather kill us. Why? Because we’re literally Nazis, and Nazis must be killed. In their psychosis, they’d not only be doing something highly pleasurable, but also would be “doing the world a service.”

That’s why there will be massive bloodshed when it finally cracks open. There is no stopping it.

"The time will come, when he who killeth you will think he doeth God service."

They actually BELIEVE they are right---BEYOND ANY and ALL QUESTION, RIGHT---they are good and we are evil.

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness;
Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes
And clever in their own sight!


Isaiah 5
 

Jeff B.

Don’t let the Piss Ants get you down…
They're too self absorbed and convinced of their entitled place over us Deplorables. A society tracking as ours is has a date with Armageddon.

Who will be our Pinochet?

The advantage of having some age and the requisite fatalism is that we'll be able to do what needs doing and spare some of the younger people from living with that.
 
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