A Candidate's Death Could Delay or Eliminate the Presidential Election

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A Candidate's Death Could Delay or Eliminate the Presidential Election
Chaos would ensue if a vacancy emerges near Election Day.

By Steven Nelson | Staff Writer Aug. 30, 2016, at 4:55 p.m.

American democracy would break new ground if Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump left a presidential ticket vacancy before the Nov. 8 general election. Getty Images

The presidential election could be delayed or scrapped altogether if conspiracy theories become predictive and a candidate dies or drops out before Nov. 8. The perhaps equally startling alternative, if there's enough time: Small groups of people hand-picking a replacement pursuant to obscure party rules.

The scenarios have been seriously considered by few outside of the legal community and likely are too morbid for polite discussion in politically mixed company. But prominent law professors have pondered the effects and possible ways to address a late-date vacancy.

"There's nothing in the Constitution which requires a popular election for the electors serving in the Electoral College," says John Nagle, a law professor at the University of Notre Dame, meaning the body that officially elects presidents could convene without the general public voting.

"It's up to each state legislature to decide how they want to choose the state's electors," Nagle says. "It may be a situation in which the fact that we have an Electoral College, rather than direct voting for presidential candidates, may prove to be helpful."

Both major parties do have rules for presidential ticket replacements, however, and Congress has the power to change the election date under Article II of the Constitution, which allows federal lawmakers to set dates for the selection of presidential electors and when those electors will vote.

But Congress would be up against a de facto December deadline, as the Constitution's 20th Amendment requires that congressional terms expire Jan. 3 and presidential terms on Jan. 20. Though it's conceivable to split legislative and presidential elections, they generally happen at the same time. And if the entire general election were to be moved after Jan. 3, Congress effectively would have voted themselves out of office.

Yale Law School professor Akhil Reed Amar considers in a 1994 article in the Arkansas Law Review the possibility of a special presidential election being pushed to after Jan. 20, with the speaker of the House serving as acting president until an election could pick "a real president for the remainder of the term." But he tells U.S. News that scenario probably is far-fetched.

Is it possible for the election to be delayed until after Jan. 20, leaving both the offices of president and vice president temporarily vacant? Perhaps, Amar says, but "it wouldn't make sense if it were permissible, given there actually are answers. Why would you ever do that?"

Amar recommends an up to four-week postponement of Election Day if a candidate dies just before voting, or even if there's a major terrorist attack.

The possible last-minute replacement of a candidate attracts some cyclical coverage, but this year the scenario would play out after consistent conjecture about the health of Democrat Hillary Clinton and hidden agenda of Republican Donald Trump.

Trump, 70, would be the oldest person elected president, but his health has received less coverage over the election cycle than apparently unfounded speculation he will drop out. Clinton, 69 in October, would be the second oldest president-elect, months younger than Ronald Reagan in 1980.

Although Clinton's coughs and stumbling have earned speculative headlines on the news-driving Drudge Report, her doctor, Lisa Bardack, said she "is in excellent physical condition and fit to serve." Trump physician Harold Bornstein, meanwhile, wrote he would be "the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency."
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Old age doesn’t rule out a full presidency. Reagan served two terms before dying at 93 in 2004. Other recent officeholders have lived beyond the life expectancy for the general population. Gerald Ford died in 2006 at 93. George H.W. Bush, 92, and Jimmy Carter, 91, are still living.

If something were to happen to Clinton or Trump before the election, rules established by the Republican and Democratic parties do offer guidelines for what to do.

If Clinton were to fall off the ticket, Democratic National Committee members would gather to vote on a replacement. DNC members acted as superdelegates during this year's primary and overwhelmingly backed Clinton over boat-rocking socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

DNC spokesman Mark Paustenbach says there currently are 445 committee members – a number that changes over time and is guided by the group's bylaws, which give membership to specific officeholders and party leaders and hold 200 spots for selection by states, along with an optional 75 slots DNC members can choose to fill.
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But the party rules for replacing a presidential nominee merely specify that a majority of members must be present at a special meeting called by the committee chairman. The meeting would follow procedures set by the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee and proxy voting would not be allowed.

DNC member Connie Johnson, a former Oklahoma state senator who supported Sanders, says it would be most appropriate for the DNC to give the nomination to the runner-up if Clinton were to die or drop out before the election.

"I believe that's why Sen. Sanders stayed in the contest," she writes in an email. "As to whether the party would adopt what would appear to be a common sense solution in the event of [Clinton] no longer being able to serve – that would remain to be seen. There was so much vitriol aimed at Sen. Sanders and his supporters by [Clinton supporters] that they would likely want 'anybody but Bernie' in order to save face and maintain control."

The Republican National Committee's rules potentially allow for greater democratic input, but don't require it. If a vacancy emerges on the ticket, the 168-member RNC would decide whether to select a replacement on its own or "reconvene the national convention," which featured 2,472 voting delegates, that met over the summer.

If RNC members make the choice themselves, the three members representing each state, territory and the nation's capital – a committeeman, committeewoman and the local party chairman – would jointly have "the same number of votes as said state was entitled to cast at the national convention."

RNC rules allow for state delegations to split their vote and for members to vote by proxy.

Richard Winger, editor of Ballot Access News and an expert on presidential election history, says state election officials likely would be compelled to accept a major party's request to swap candidates, citing precedent set in 1972 when states allowed Democrats to replace vice presidential nominee Thomas Eagleton, who was revealed to be a shock therapy patient, with Sargent Shriver.
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Winger says every state but South Dakota also allowed the prominent 1980 independent candidate John Anderson to swap his vice presidential candidate Milton Eisenhower for former Wisconsin Gov. Patrick Lucey.

Still, if the central party organizations were to upset electors with an unpalatable pick, it's possible many could bolt.

Edward Foley, a law professor at Ohio State University, says "the Supreme Court has never ruled that electors can be forced to obey their pledge" to vote for a particular presidential candidate, leaving open the door for mass defections or, in the event of a post-election candidate death, an en masse vote flip.

John Fortier, director of the Democracy Project at the Bipartisan Policy Center, says he's not certain that Congress would reach consensus on moving an election date if a candidate died, meaning parties would need to formally – or informally – decide on a replacement. If the election date was moved by Congress, Fortier says ongoing absentee or early voting would make for a mess.

Though not legally required, Fortier says parties may decide on an easy fix and loudly encourage electors to support their existing vice presidential nominee. A party legally could pick someone else, but he says a desire for legitimacy in the eyes of the public may force its hand.

With more than two centuries of history, the U.S. does have some examples of candidate deaths, though none with a catastrophic impact.

In 1872, presidential candidate Horace Greeley died about three weeks after winning about 44 percent of the popular vote as a Liberal Republican supported by Democrats against incumbent Republican Ulysses S. Grant. Presidential electors chose between various alternatives, but because Greeley had lost, his death did not sway the election's outcome.

In another case, Republican running mate James Sherman died six days before the 1912 general election. He wasn't replaced on ballots and the matter was rendered moot by the GOP's crushing defeat.
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Amar, author of a forthcoming book touching on candidate death, outlines four distinct scenarios that would warrant special consideration because of the wording of the 20th Amendment: a death before an election, a death after an election but before electors meet in December, a death between electors voting and Congress counting votes in January, and the time between Congress confirming the election and the Jan. 20 inauguration.

The three post-election time frames identified by Amar are distinguished by whether the candidate technically is considered "president-elect." That designation is covered by the 20th Amendment, which allows in case of a president-elect's death that he or she be replaced by the vice president-elect. But in their narrowest sense, those amendment terms only cover part of January.

Though all considerations accounting for a candidate's death are hypothetical, they could at some future point become less so.

"We should never forget 9/11 was a local election day in New York," Amar says.

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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Y'all don't understand. That is the first of 4 dates that is almost literally engraved on stone. The election WILL happen on the first Tuesday after the first Sunday in November. Period. FULL STOP.
 

thompson

Certa Bonum Certamen
Y'all don't understand. That is the first of 4 dates that is almost literally engraved on stone. The election WILL happen on the first Tuesday after the first Sunday in November. Period. FULL STOP.

I think it's you that's missing out on the nuance of the statement.

What election prior to this one can you recall seeing a detailed article from the MSM talking about what would happen if a candidate dropped dead before the election? I can tell you I've never seen an article like this one and I'm an old woman who has been a news junkie for decades.

Pray tell, do you think this same sort of article would have appeared in 2008? How about 2012? FAT CHANCE and you know WHY.
 

Plain Jane

Just Plain Jane
Elections continued through the Civil War. Lincoln was re-elected during that time. But that detail will be purged from the record or found to be invalid for some reason.

This article does sound like groundwork is being prepared. Look at the DHS takeover of the process.
 

sy32478

Veteran Member
Are they prepping to cancel the elections if HRC rightfully ends up with n the can or receives a sentence appropriate for her treasons?

That would certainly leave Trump as the only viable candidate and some just won't be able to stomach that.
 

straightstreet

Life is better in flip flops
I'll admit it's hard for me to stomach drudge headlines this morning even after prayer knowing full well Father knows all and sees all. Homeland security taking over elections, Mr. Trump going to Mexico today, talk of a candidates death...it's unreal
 

Adino

paradigm shaper
dhs wants to take over the election and now this speculation.

'Consent of the governed'.

Its the one thing no guv can exist without.

fedguv is down to less than 70% approval rating.

The casket of 'consent of the governed' is only missing a couple nails.

The above ought to do it.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Well, both of the candidates are older, and the world is a more dangerous place.
Before the election, the party would field another candidate - probably could get by without changing the ballots if it was the VP candidate put forward.
After the election...the VP would be President-elect.

Homeland Security being involved in election oversight bothers me...but Homeland Security bothers me anyway. I want them disbanded. CIA and FBI are enough - if they are doing their jobs.
 

BetterLateThanNever

Veteran Member
It looks as though they are laying the ground work for a possible manufactured problem.

I don't trust this administration, fbi or the so called homeland security.
 

Delta

Has No Life - Lives on TB
We almost had the chance to set precedent for this problem in 1853 when President-elect Franklin Pierce was involved in a serious train wreck shortly before his inauguration (it killed his only son to survive infancy). And Pierce's death (had he been killed) would have been an even more interesting situation as his vice-president, William Rufus King, died before he reached Washington.
 

vestige

Deceased
"It may be a situation in which the fact that we have an Electoral College, rather than direct voting for presidential candidates, may prove to be helpful."


It could also prove to be disastrous.





Edward Foley, a law professor at Ohio State University, says "the Supreme Court has never ruled that electors can be forced to obey their pledge" to vote for a particular presidential candidate, leaving open the door for mass defections or, in the event of a post-election candidate death, an en masse vote flip.

Then WTH good is the pledge and the time expended in making it?

Technicalities aside, I know no one who is not totally fed up with the shenanigans being carried out by .gov under the veil of "keeping things honest."

This BS about putting HS (run by a negro) in charge of election processes here and there is "in your face" horsesh*t.

If shenanigans are pulled not even approaching the "I voted 6 times." and "dangling chads" BS the country will explode (which will likely happen anyway).

We have sparks and embers on the floor of the powder magazine as I type this and they will eventually reach the main storage.

Stand back and watch.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
If they know Hillary is very sick and incapable to serve, they recognize it's in their interest to "write" the rules now. Especially since it seems they can EO about anything. I wouldn't doubt we see some brand new, never before seen, continuity of government "law". For the good of the nation of course. I put nothing above their ability to manipulate the "law". Hillary too sick, Russia invading their neighbors, terrorist uprising or whatever...... for the good of the nation we have decided to keep our beloved leader till we can straighten out this mess. State of Emergency declared. Nothing is beyond the imagination with these tyrants. They have an agenda, and it will be done no matter what.
 

texkat72

Veteran Member
I've always assumed that if the VP candidate is acceptable enough to take over AFTER a swearing in, then he should be accetable enough BEFORE. YMMV
 

pinkelsteinsmom

Veteran Member
Elections continued through the Civil War. Lincoln was re-elected during that time. But that detail will be purged from the record or found to be invalid for some reason.

This article does sound like groundwork is being prepared. Look at the DHS takeover of the process.

This! No, I have never seen such stories nor have I been more ashamed to be an american than after the last 8 years of ****** rule. The whole world is laughing at america and do not fear us which is a grave matter of national security.
 

NoName

Veteran Member
Elections continued through the Civil War. Lincoln was re-elected during that time. But that detail will be purged from the record or found to be invalid for some reason.

This article does sound like groundwork is being prepared. Look at the DHS takeover of the process.

Then they would also have to make an excuse for elections happening in 1812, 1864 (Lincoln as you posted), 1900, 1944, 1952, 1956, 1964, 1968, 1972, 1992 and of course, we have been at war in some way or another ever since.

Thanks to the History Channel for helping out my (lack of) memory of history (LOL) http://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/presidential-elections
 

changed

Preferred pronouns: dude/bro
After I saw the headline about Homeland Security taking over elections, I thought it was very strange to also see this one. Its like someone is planning on there not being an election, or one as we know it.
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
I do not remember ever seeing speculation in the mainstream of this nature

You are correct...this is appalling, to say the least.

They sure have messing with peoples' heads lately. I wonder what all the reasons are that they would print something like this.
 

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
They would print this, because they need to keep the spotlight off the emails and away from the positives that Trump is coming up with.

All speculative nonsense.
 
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