POL 8 States Are Declaring Sovereignty

ElkHollow

Veteran Member
Where's Idaho?

ELK...........................:wvflg:


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8 States Are Declaring Sovereignty

this could possibly lead to the civil war rumors we've been hearing about on alternative net radio like alex jones/rense/cliff high-webbots et al etc. **even the john titor netlore mentioned this back in 2001

In case you didn't hear about it on the mainstream media (which you haven't because they want to keep us asleep), numerous states are currently declaring sovereignty, including:

Washington
[link to apps.leg.wa.gov]

New Hampshire
[link to www.gencourt.state.nh.us]

Arizona
[link to www.azleg.gov]

Montana
[link to data.opi.mt.gov]

Michigan
[link to www.legislature.mi.gov]

Missouri
[link to www.house.mo.gov]

Oklahoma
[link to axiomamuse.wordpress.com]

Hawaii
[link to www.hawaii-nation.org]



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atvJim

Inactive
Dude what gives? Your comments are vague and none of your links work.

what are you trying to accomplish?
 

tm1439m

Veteran Member
Dude what gives? Your comments are vague and none of your links work.

what are you trying to accomplish?

They do work you just have to remove the ]
from them when you apply it to the address bar then they go right to it.


ETA: looks like a few of you beat me to it hahaha.
 

BigBadBossyDog

Membership Revoked
Not to get into a big thesis or anything like that, but exactly what happens when a state does this? Does the state lose all federal aid (interstates, etc)?
 

Cag3db1rd

Paranoid Pagan
i'm not second guessing this, because I have been hearing rumblings of this here in OK for a while. Especially since the election.
 

nuance4u

Contributing Member
Washington State

This state is run by Dems. HJM 4009 is sponsored by seven Republicans. It is up to us (residents of Washington State) to petition our gov't to pass this resolution.
 

SassyinAZ

Inactive
This is just bad information that keeps getting re-posted as factual without anyone doing any follow-up on various related internet sites.

All the links, even when removing the bracket at the end only go to the each State's legislature page.

For instance the proposal is AZ was voted on by a Committee in 2000 (previously posted here at length, search up Arizona secede or something similar) -- it never made it to the House, was never voted on.

AZ's was in response to additional lands in the Grand Canyon area being declared federal monuments. IIRC, there was additional talk when the real ID was making the rounds.

Wish it was true, but our individual State governments are just as corrupt and lining up at the Feds door with outstretched hands as the corporations and banksters. This is just bad information and wishful thinking, at best, proposals that have never been voted on.
 

Windi

Newbie
As to the federal aide. If the Taxes we pay to the Fed went to OUR state we would be able to have more control on what happens.

I think it is great.

Windi
 

BigBadBossyDog

Membership Revoked
Wish it was true, but our individual State governments are just as corrupt and lining up at the Feds door with outstretched hands as the corporations and banksters. This is just bad information and wishful thinking, at best, proposals that have never been voted on.

Oh, hush! I have a DREAM!

:lol:
 

Old Eagle

Veteran Member
Apparently an increasing number of states (I am seeing "eight" right now based on info circulating around the 'Net) are introducing bills declaring State Sovereignty, reserving all rights and powers not expressly assigned to the Federal Government by the Constitution to the States and the People. An equal or greater number of other states are considering such a bill right now.

This is all over the Internet in the political blogs and small, independent, news sites. Main Stream Media is completely quiet about it right now. Wonder whether the MSM doesn't know about it, or they don't want more of the public to hear about it ... or it is all BS in the first place.

Here is an article from the InfoWars site. Alex Jones is a bit paranoid about the government (maybe with good reason), and particularly hates the Bilderburgers and New World Order types. For this reason, he can go overboard at times, maybe. Not sure how reliable he is, but usually when he crys "Wolf", there is at least a coyote out there.

This needs more research to confirm, but I thought I would give you folks a head's up on the rumors anyway. Damned interesting news, if true.

Go to the original article for operating links

http://www.infowars.com/increasing-number-of-states-declaring-sovereignty/

-- I tried the link for Arizona and it appears to be legitimate, there really is a bill there regarding State Sovereignty. I haven't had time to do more yet -- could take hours of research -- but this does appear to be more than just a rumor.

Hmmmm. We may be starting to live the old Chinese Curse -- "May you live in interesting times."

Old Eagle


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Increasing Number of States Declaring Sovereignty

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Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
February 5, 2009

Back in December, the Wall Street Journal had a good chuckle over Russian academic Igor Panarin’s prediction that the United States would break apart by 2010. Using threadbare Cold War logic, Andrew Osborn wrote that Panarin’s forecast “is music to the ears of the Kremlin, which in recent years has blamed Washington for everything from instability in the Middle East to the global financial crisis.” For the WSL scribe, Panarin’s analysis is about the Red Bear “returning to its rightful place on the world stage after the weakness of the 1990s, when many feared that the country would go economically and politically bankrupt and break into separate territories.”

The Constitution and the Bill of Rights were nullified many years ago, at least since the emergence of the Federalists under Alexander Hamilton.

In fact, it was not so much “weakness” that destroyed Russia as it was the IMF, the World Bank, and Wall Street, in other words it was another bankster looting and fire sale scheme that brought the former Soviet Union down, not that we should expect the Wall Street Journal to admit as much. Ditto the current “global financial crisis” and instability in the Middle East.

“Mr. Panarin posits, in brief, that mass immigration, economic decline, and moral degradation will trigger a civil war next fall and the collapse of the dollar,” Osborn summarizes. “Around the end of June 2010, or early July, he says, the U.S. will break into six pieces — with Alaska reverting to Russian control.”

In the case of a growing number of U.S. states, however, it is not so much economic decline and moral degradation pointing the way to a “disintegration,” but rather violations of the Tenth Amendment. The Tenth Amendment of the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791, and states restates the Constitution’s principle of Federalism by providing that powers not granted to the national government nor prohibited to the states are reserved to the states and to the people. It is based on an earlier provision of the Articles of Confederation: “Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.”

Although Fox News and CNN are not telling you about it, a growing number of states are declaring sovereignty. Washington, New Hampshire, Arizona, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, Oklahoma, California, and Georgia have all introduced bills and resolutions declaring sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment. Colorado, Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine, and Illinois are considering such measures.

For details on the particular bills and resolutions introduced by the above states, check out the following:

Washington

New Hampshire

Arizona

Montana

Michigan

Missouri

Oklahoma

California

Georgia


Sadly, far too many Americans are woefully ignorant when it comes to understanding their rights and the Constitution. As Gary Alder notes in his “15 Key Principles of the Founding Fathers,” the “9th and 10th Amendments are the keystones to preserving Freedom.” In fact, the first 10 amendments, known as the Bill of (Individual) Rights, clarify the restraints placed on the national government and they safeguard the rights of individuals. It does not take a rocket scientist to conclude that all of these individual rights are under withering attack by the federal government.

“Obama’s plans for a federal handgun license, ‘hate crimes’ laws to regulate Christians’ speech about their own religious beliefs on homosexuality, President Obama’s youth corps for mandatory public service and the so-called ‘Fairness Doctrine’ to ‘balance’ talk radio have New Hampshire Lawmakers telling Obama to basically grow up and get some better ideas,” writes Jake Jones. “They say that if Obama’s plans are implimented, it would constitute a nullification of the Constitution for the United States.”

Unfortunately, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were nullified many years ago, at least since the emergence of the Federalists under Alexander Hamilton, as Thomas J. DiLorenzo persausively argues. “Federalists like Joseph Story and John Marshall, and later Whig politicians like Daniel Webster and Abraham Lincoln… would tell The Big Lie that the Constitution was ratified by ‘the whole people’ and not as it actually was – by the citizens of the sovereign states, with their representatives assembled in state conventions,” writes DiLorenzo. In the years since, the reach and severity of federalism has grown expotentially. “The U.S. government is now characterized by dictatorial power, abuse of every kind of personal liberty, confiscatory taxation, economic fascism, dangerous militarism, and imperialism.” New World Order minion Obama will take this dictatorial power to new heights under the pretense of saving the people from the bankster engineered global economic depression.

As Obama and Congress further extend the dictatorial reach of the federal government — under the control of a small cotorie of globalists and international bankers — we can expect more states to assert their rights under the Constitution and the Tenth Amendment.

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Republiman

Contributing Member
Oklahoma IS NOT a demoncrapic state! We have a Demo. gov. but the Republicans control the House and Senate.

I also believe that we were the only state that Obama didn't win even one county in. I'll get back to you on that one.
 

Republiman

Contributing Member
Looks like my info is correct.

click on the state of Oklahoma

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/map.html

and this: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97905041

Oklahoma: The Reddest State


Weekend Edition Saturday, December 6, 2008 · Barack Obama won many historically Republican states in this year's elections, including Colorado, Virginia and North Carolina.

But not Oklahoma.

Republicans were actually on the upswing there, winning local elections and taking control of the state senate for the first time in its history.

John McCain carried every single county and won by such a margin that Oklahoma can now safely be called the most Republican state in the union.

So as the Republican Party regroups from walloping losses in the November election, what lessons can it take from its runaway success in Oklahoma?

Host Scott Simon talks with Keith Gaddie, Professor of Political Science at University of Oklahoma professor and expert on Southern politics.
 

Emily

One Day Closer
I am thrilled, but very shocked that michigan did this.Yes, this could lead to civil war.

Me too. I am starting to get excited about our congress. They are actually starting to become real representatives again. I am afraid to have hope - but there seems to be a sparkle of it.
Praying.
 

gelatinous

Eyes WIDE Open
Don't look for Oregon to join this list. Our governor has his nose so far up the Obamanations behind it isn't funny.
 

Wowser

Membership Revoked
Some of y'all are a little late to this sovereignty party, however, better late than never.

This article by Dr. Hill and Flemming was published by WaPo in 1995ad.


Deo Vindice,
Sic Semper Tyrannis

http://dixienet.org/New Site/newdixiemanifesto.shtml

The New Dixie Manifesto:
States' Rights Will Rise Again...
by Dr Michael Hill and Dr Thomas Fleming

First Published in The Washington Post,
Sunday, 29 October 1995


America is only a geographical expression. Metternich's joke was made originally at the expense of Italy, but there are all too many modern states that have tried to build artificial national identities out of the ruins of historic and traditional regions -- the provinces, the sticks, the boondocks, the places where real people live, write poetry and pay their taxes.

In this respect, American Southerners have much in common with the Scots and the Welsh in Britain, the Lombards and Sicilians in Italy and the Ukrainians in the defunct Soviet Union. All have made enormous economic, military and cultural contributions to their imperial rulers, who rewarded their loyalty with exploitation and contempt.

In the United States, where ethnic slurs are punishable as hate crimes, it is still socially acceptable to describe Southerners as "rednecks" and "crackers," even though Southerners have, in fact, contributed to American culture, high and low, to a degree vastly out of proportion to their numbers.

What would American literature be without Mark Twain, Edgar Allan Poe, William Faulkner, Walker Percy and Eudora Welty? What sort of political system would our ancestors have given us, if George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison had decided to remain British? What kind of popular music could we listen to, if white "crackers" like Hank Williams and Merle Haggard and Southern blacks like Louis Armstrong and Ray Charles had been content with the bland commercial music churned out by Tin Pan Alley? The mind of the South remains distinctive, even today, if only for the tenacity with which its people hold onto their religious faith.

Until recent years, it looked as if the progress of history had condemned all the little nations to the ash heap of history. But the end of the Cold War and the breakup of the Soviet Union and of Yugoslavia have inspired regional and ethnic movements all over Europe. Some of them are threatening secession; others have been content to demand home rule and a right to assert their culture and language.

Here in the United States, a new group of Southerners is calling for nothing more revolutionary than home rule for the states established by the U.S. Constitution. The Southern League was founded in 1994 at a meeting of scholars, journalists and political activists in Tuscaloosa, Ala. Our members are pledged to seek the well-being and independence of the Southern people by every honorable means. Far from wishing any ill to the rest of the nation, we believe that a renewed South will be an inspiration to other regions in search of their own identities and to all Americans who wish to lead their lives in peace.

A concern for states' rights, local self-government and regional identity used to be taken for granted everywhere in America. But the United States is no longer, as it once was, a federal union of diverse states and regions. National uniformity is being imposed by the political class that runs Washington, the economic class that owns Wall Street and the cultural class in charge of Hollywood and the Ivy League.

The easiest way to secure home rule for Southern states is to restore the federal constitution. What had been a genuinely federal union has been turned into a multicultural, continental empire, ruled from Washington by federal agencies and under the thumb of the federal judiciary. And all this is done regardless of the party or ideology that controls the White House. If the liberal Democrats have saddled us with affirmative action, conservative Republicans are busily "federalizing" crimes that used to be within the purview of states and local communities.

We believe it is time for the people of the Southern states to take control of their own governments, their own institutions, their own culture, their own communities and their own lives. On the national political level, this will mean sending men and women to Congress who will insist upon a strict construction of the Constitution and a restoration of the 10th Amendment that explicitly reserves all unenumerated powers to the states and to the people.

On the state level, self-government should be restored to the towns and communities that make up the states. This means an end, not only to federal interference, but to state interference in local government and local schools. Under federal and state mandates, American schools have become the joke of the civilised world, and in the guise of helping black children, we have destroyed educational opportunities for children of all races. It is time to give the schools back to the parents.

Local control over local schools is not a recipe for resegregation. Involuntary desegregation, forced busing and court-ordered redistricting have succeeded only in lowering the standards of education, precipitating "white flight" and de facto segregation and exacerbating racial tensions. As black novelist Zora Neale Hurston observed in 1954, the premise of Brown v. Board of Education -- that all-black schools were inherently inferior -- was an insult to black Americans. Brown, as Hurston predicted, set the stage for "government by fiat." If neighbors, black and white, cannot work out their problems among themselves, then no government can do it for them.

On a personal level it is time for Southerners to wean themselves from dependence on federal largesse. Since the New Deal, Washington has funneled more tax dollars into the South than it has taken out, and this has caused the region to be bound tightly by the attached strings. If Southerners are ever to be free from federal dictates, we must learn to provide for our own needs without depending on government wealth transfers.

On a spiritual level, we take our stand squarely within the tradition of Christianity. This historic faith, though everywhere attacked by the hollow men of modernity, has always been central to the pursuit of personal honor, political liberty and human charity. Asking for only the religious freedoms guaranteed in the Bill of Rights, we oppose the government's campaign against our Christian traditions.

The war that is being waged against the Southern identity and its traditional symbols must cease. Legislatures in Southern states are under pressure to rename streets and destroy monuments that honor Confederate soldiers. Corporations headquartered in Southern states have refused to fly state flags that contain a Confederate emblem; public schools have forbidden the display of the Confederate battle flag as if it were an example of gang colors.

If the Confederate flags are tainted by the abuses of slavery, so are the flags of the United States, Great Britain, France and Spain -- all countries that engaged in the trading of human beings. We do not claim that all our ancestors were infallible or even honorable in all their actions, but we utterly repudiate the one-sided and hypocritical movement to demonize Southerners and their symbols.

Race relations are nowhere perfect in the United States, but black and white Southerners have learned through experience, often painful, how to get along with, or at least tolerate, each other. Southerners on both sides who were "racist" by principle were decent and humane in their actual conduct. As Dick Gregory used to say, "Down South they don't care how close you get, so long as you don't get too big; up North they don't care how big you get, so long as you don't get too close." This regional difference in attitude may help to explain why so many decent black American families are moving back to the South.

After so many decades of strife, black and white Southerners of good will should be left alone to work out their destinies, avoiding, before it is too late, the urban hell that has been created by the lawyers, social engineers and imperial bureaucrats who have grown rich on programs that have done nothing to help anyone but themselves.

The same Northern intellectuals, who in the 19th century were denouncing Southern "racism," greeted the arrival of Catholics and Jews with horror. They designed public school programs to Protestantise the Irish and practised the same kinds of genteel and not-so-genteel discrimination against blacks. Southern history tells a different story. Both Jews and Catholics quickly made their way into the highest political and social circles. In fact, the first Catholic and the first Jew to sit in an American cabinet were picked by Jefferson Davis, the president of the Confederacy. Southerners have been remarkably free of the anti-immigrant prejudices that have characterised Northern politics since the 1840s.

Southerners respect the rights of all Americans in every region to preserve their authentic cultural traditions and demand the same respect from others. For too long, Northern intellectuals have tried to control Southern culture and to northernise our schools and universities. They and their Southern allies have rewritten history and imposed their mythology upon generations of students, who have come to believe that their ancestors were uniquely guilty in the annals of inhumanity, that their region is -- in the graphic phrase of one brainwashed Southerner -- "the nation's armpit." This is not scholarship but propaganda.

If Southerners were any other people in the world, the campaign to rob them of their symbols, their history and their cultural identity would be termed cultural genocide -- a term that several scholars have not hesitated to apply. The late Raphael Lemkin, the Polish legal scholar who helped give the term its currency, defined "genocide" not merely as an attempt to annihilate a people physically but as a plan for "the disintegration of the political and social institutions of culture, language, national feelings, religion." If Southerners are a blight on the American landscape, as they are almost uniformly portrayed, then the only "solution" is to eliminate them by destroying their cultural identity.

As Southerners, we prefer not to think of ourselves as victims. We are proud, not of what our people have suffered (although they have suffered a good deal), but of the good things they have done. We are not asking for reparations or set-aside programs. All we ask are the rights the Constitution gave us and all Americans over 200 years ago: the right to be let alone to mind our own business, to raise our own children and to say our own prayers in the buildings built with our own money. As one of Faulkner's characters remarks, "That don't seem like too much to ask."

_________________

Michael Hill, a former professor of British History at the University of Alabama, is the president of the League of the South, based in Tuscaloosa, Ala.

Thomas Fleming is the editor of Chronicles: A Magazine of American Culture.
 

Wowser

Membership Revoked
Oh, and just in case y'all did not see this on the MSM:

http://southernnationalcongress.org/pr01142009.shtml

Southern National Congress Issues Remonstrances
and Petitions for Redress of Grievances


SNC Media & Public Information Committee

Rome, GA; January 14, 2009 Today the Southern National Congress (SNC) released seven resolutions called Remonstrances and Petitions for a Redress of Grievances, passed by the Congress during its historic first session December 5-7, 2008 in Hendersonville, NC. 100 Delegates from Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Missouri, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia met to take up matters of great concern to the Southern People. After a spirited and well-informed debate, the SNC passed the remonstrances dealing with these vital issues:

1.

Failure to secure the borders and halt the mass immigration that threatens to overwhelm our communities and economy;
2.

Just war and lawful defense, including the sovereign right of the People to decide on war through a proper (Constitutional) declaration;
3.

Just law, protection of liberty, and the threat of rogue government;
4.

Preservation of Southern agriculture and the rights of smallholders vs. the abuses of corporate agribusiness;
5.

Sound money, just economic policy, and Government expropriation and crimes against our livelihoods;
6.

The sovereign right of Southerners to their own natural resources, especially oil and gas in the Gulf Coast; iolated.”

Thomas Moore of Virginia, elected Chairman of the SNC at the First Congress, explained, “The term ‘remonstrance’ means to protest, but in a constructive manner. This form of dissent has a long tradition in the historic struggle for political liberty in the English-speaking world, going all the way back to Magna Carta in 1215. It was a key element in the founding of the United States and the U.S. Constitution, which guarantees the citizen the right of ‘petition for a redress of grievances.’ A remonstrance reminds the authorities of their duties and their failures. The petition for redress appeals to them to return to the governing principles of law and justice they have violated.”

The SNC is a representative assembly of citizens of the Southern States, providing an alternative, legitimate forum to express Southern grievances and advance Southern interests in a way that is no longer possible through today’s political process or the major political parties. It convened in the spirit of great Southerners like Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, and John C. Calhoun to preserve the Southern legacy of individual liberty and a small federal government which is the creation, servant, and agent of the sovereign people acting through their respective States, and is strictly limited to its enumerated powers.


Chairman Thomas Moore observed, “It has become clear to most Americans that the U.S. Government no longer represents the people’s interests; it represents the interests of the highest bidder -- the big corporations and the money power. We Southerners have been among the most loyal and patriotic Americans, but in sadness we now have to acknowledge that Washington, DC has forfeited its moral authority by its folly and its unlawful acts. If our Remonstrances and Petitions for a Redress of Grievances are ignored, then the people of the South who still love liberty and justice will have no choice but to withdraw their consent from this corrupt Regime.” Debates on the seven resolutions demonstrated a high level of knowledge, insight, dignity, public-spiritedness, and respect for the views of others. And there were dissenting views.

Mark Thomey of Louisiana, elected Vice Chairman, said, “America’s ruling elites believe the American people, and especially we Southerners, lack the knowledge, discernment, and ability to govern ourselves, and so we must put our fate (and our wealth) in their hands, no matter how corrupt they have become. But the SNC Remonstrances and Petitions have thoroughly exploded that worn-out mythology. These seven resolutions could stand proudly alongside the historic documents produced by America’s Founders. In fact, if the Founders could return from the past, they would recognize immediately that the SNC follows directly in the tradition of political liberty they bequeathed to us.”

The seven Remonstrances and Petitions for a Redress of Grievances may be found on the SNC website at www.southernnationalcongress.org.

News media representatives or Southern citizens seeking information about the SNC should direct their queries to Mr. Jonathan Ingram, Chairman of the SNC Media and Public Information Committee, at jonathaningram@juno.com. SNC Chairman Thomas Moore is available for scheduling radio appearances or other interviews at chairman@southernnationalcongress.org.
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Copyright © 2005-2009 Southern National Congress
http://www.southernnationalcongress.org
 

SassyinAZ

Inactive
Here is the bill for AZ HCR 2024

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/1r/bills/hcr2024p.htm

I was referring to AZ HCR 2034 that pretty much stated AZ would secede if martial law were declared (2000/2004)

I didn't do a lot of research, actually cheated a tad, if you look at the sponsors of 2024, they're all current and, because I too have a dream (ty ty BossyDog for that giggle) I emailed each of the listed sponsors expressing support, asking for the status of 2024, and requesting additional information between the disconnect of the declaration and the Federal bend-over while smiling line.

Here's a list of AZ contacts if anyone else wants to do the same: http://azleg.gov/MemberRoster.asp?Body=H&SortBy=1

Dreaming (can't hope, that's been taken over by the faled hopeNchange express) that this bill won't meet the same fate as 2034.

Thanks for the additional information, Old Eagle.

I rather like the thought of the States stepping up versus us wee people; however, I'm still believing they are too corrupt (and broke) to backstep -- either way it's refreshing to have something to get behind, so I will!.

State initiatives:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?page_id=1909
 

Old Eagle

Veteran Member
You're welcome, SassyinAZ. I couldn't believe what I was reading either, so I don't blame you at all for doubting.

It now appears State Sovereignty bills ARE being introduced into the legislative agenda in some states and being considered in others. The big hurdle, though, is what you mentioned -- getting them passed.

After a ton of day-after-day bad news for a long, long time, we see a glimmer of hope.

God, I hope this movement grows and we can get back to constitutional liberties using only political and judicial means.
 

Old Eagle

Veteran Member
P.S.

We need to give credit to ElkHollow, the thread originator, for being Paul Revere in reverse -- bringing good news this time.

Thanks, Elk, for alerting us to what is going on. You made my day.

Old Eagle
 

CRodgers

אני תומך
Forgive my ignorance but is this correct that Texas doesn't need to do this because they already are a sovereign state?
 

lectrickitty

Great Great Grandma!
I don't know about the other states, but here in Oklahoma a bill was introduced in the house and it passed with a count of something like 92 to 3. Then it was sent to the senate where it never made it out of committee.

The bill is being reintroduced this year by Representative Charles Key who has requested that everyone contact their state senator and demand they vote for it, not let it die a dusty death like they did in 2004.

It's Oklahoma house bill HJR 1003 by Representative Charles Key

Here's part of a letter he wrote asking for support:
It is not guaranteed that the bill will be heard or passed. This is where I need your help. I need you and everyone who cares about preserving our constitution to contact your state representative and state senator and tell them you want them to support HJR 1003.



If you live in a state other than Oklahoma, please contact your state representative or state senator and ask them to file a 10th Amendment Resolution in your state. If you do have a legislator in your state that is interested in sponsoring a bill, please let my legislative assistant know and we will be in communication with them. My assistant's name is Sharon Brown. Contact information for Ms. Brown and my office is:
sharon.brown@okhouse.gov or 405-557-7354.


Thank you for your efforts and help in saving our constitutional form of government.



Sincerely,

Charles Key
I called the phone # and it is a legitimate # to Charles Key's office. I called after hours so I didn't talk to anyone, just a test of the phone # to be sure it's real.
 

SassyinAZ

Inactive
CB,

I'm not a big Alex Jones and infowars fan and this has been making the internet rounds for weeks, attached to information that could not be confirmed based on the information or bad information altogether (like the links in Elk's first post -- go to no where specific or where I got into trouble linked to OLD legislation and then passed around as factual).

I agree with Old Eagle though, even when he cries wolf there are sometimes coyotes and in this case Alex provided good links with specific and current information to do further research.

Additionally, this thread is actually a dupe, see imaginative's post and linked thread above.

If you click over to the other thread, the bills are cut and pasted with good links to the sources for back-tracking.

All providing enough combined information for anyone to do a tad of cursory research for their own state, and that's what has been going on.

So, bowing to them all, Elk Hollow, Old Eagle, Alex Jones and Imaginative -- I don't need to be spoon-fed information, nor do the others that are contributing and doing their own homework, just need enough good information to get started.

If your state isn't one of the one's listed with bills being introduced or considered and you support the idea, write to your own Reps with good links to supporting documentation as examples of what is being done in other states (like Publius and like suggested in the OK letter posted by lectrickitty).

I did more cursory research, more for my own state, but beyond that the states are listed here with good links: http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?page_id=1909

and here: http://www.taxtruth4u.com/eight states.html

There are plenty of keywords and phrases to get you good information in any search engine.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Go READ the laws, as most of them, like the NH one are NOT simply "State Sovreignty" laws, but have triggers built in that mean that the law ONLY kicks in if some thing happens... the devil IS in the detais, so go LOOK at the details...much like Montana or Wyoming whichever it was last fall....
 

ElkHollow

Veteran Member
Dude what gives? Your comments are vague and none of your links work.

what are you trying to accomplish?

I am not trying to accomplish anything..Just posting a hopeful email I got in my inbox... I guess I should have checked out the links first.. DUDE...

ELK..............................:wvflg:
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TKD_Kid

Veteran Member
Darn I thought I was going to get lucky and have a state that is breaking away from the union and also on the gold standard :shr: Thats Indiana for you
 

Floratrek

Veteran Member
Here, guys. This is from my RP newsletter of today:




EIGHT STATES NOW DECLARING SOVEREIGNTY!!





Several states have recently appealed to the 10th and/or the 9th Amendments to assert their state rights over federal government. These amendments state:

Amendment 9 - Construction of Constitution. Ratified 12/15/1791.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Washington
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2009&bill=4009


New Hampshire
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2009/HCR0006.html


Arizona
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/1r/bills/hcr2024p.htm


Montana
http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0246.htm


Michigan
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(sj...-2010/Journal/House/htm/2009-HJ-01-22-002.htm


Missouri
http://www.house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/bills/HR212.HTM


Oklahoma
http://axiomamuse.wordpress.com/200...tor-charles-key-wants-to-limit-federal-power/



Hawaii
http://www.hawaii-nation.org/
 

pugdog

Membership Revoked
I WILL move to one of these states if they are successful. I will bring my hard work and good looks to them.:D
 
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