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Brewer: Israel???
Brewer: Israel???
Greetings, Fred. "Israel"? It's early. Could you expand on that?
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'Israeli strike on Iran won't end nuclear program'
By YAAKOV KATZ
06/24/2011 01:32
http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=226377
US defense analyst says Israel can't eradicate Iranian nuclear weapons; 5 scientists who helped design Bushehr killed in plane crash.
Israel could cause extensive damage to Iran’s nuclear program but would not succeed in eradicating it in a future military strike, leading American defense analyst Anthony Cordesman said on Thursday.
Speaking to The Jerusalem Post on the sidelines of the Israeli Presidential Conference in Jerusalem, Cordesman also said that Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman was alienating Israel from the rest of the world and was a liability for Israel and the United States.
Cordesman is a senior researcher at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington and served in the past as director of intelligence assessment in the Office of the Secretary of Defense.
“You can achieve short-term gains but the basic structure of the Iranian efforts would remain and such a strike would do more to catalyze support of the program in Iran than undermine it,” Cordesman said of a possible Israeli strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities.
“It would not threaten the regime and while Israel might achieve some gains, it would not be able to restrike [if it is rebuilt].”
“There is a very hard target mix and the problem is that there is a lot we don’t know about the system and there is not a lot of unclassified reporting on Iran’s program,” he said.
“If they [the Iranians] had any willingness to consider this, they would have enough redundancy and reconstitution capability so that a single strike would not have long term effects.”
Last year, Cordesman wrote a paper arguing that the US ties to Israel were not based primarily on strategic interests but rather on moral and ethical reasons. At the time, he wrote that Israel “at the best of times” provides some intelligence and some minor advances in military technology.
He said that Israel needed to use the ongoing upheaval in the Middle East to work toward peace with the Palestinians as opposed to Israel’s current strategy, which he said was to stall for time.
“We cannot afford confrontations between Israel and the Arab world,” he said. “Pushing away from the peace process and a foreign minister that constantly confronts the Arab world and alienates you from the world is a liability for us.”
Meanwhile Thursday, news reports broke that five people killed in a plane crash in northern Russia on Tuesday were Russian scientists who had helped Iran design its Bushehr nuclear reactor.
Reports said 45 people were killed in the crash and Russian security sources confirmed that five of the dead were nuclear scientists who had worked with Iran, according to The Daily Mail.
The British paper identified one of the dead as Andrei Trokinov – one of Russia’s top nuclear scientists.
Despite the presence of the scientists on the plane, investigators said the crash was the result of bad weather and pilot error, not foul play.[/size]
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OK! Any one have comments about this question? Is it "Yea"! Or is it Nay"?
Do you "feel" that you should have the right to carry openly?
Some in St. Louis area carry guns openly to affirm rights
BY SHANE ANTHONY • santhony@post-dispatch.com > 636-255-7209 | Posted: Monday, June 20, 2011 12:35 am | (152) Comments
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/article_23828920-2b8c-5169-8c34-08bb73c432a9.html
ST. PETERS • Steve Randall strolled into the Starbucks at Mid Rivers Mall Drive and Mexico Road one recent Thursday evening wearing his Glock 21C pistol in a holster at his side.
Randall's imposing height and short haircut might have led some to believe he was a police officer. Perhaps they were too busy to notice the gun on his hip or the hips of two men who joined him.
For Randall, 39, of Overland, this was just another "open-carrying" gathering with friends, something he says he does for two reasons — to provide personal protection and to let Missourians know they have the right to do so.
Open carry is legal in most states, but in recent years has become part of the national gun debate, which had primarily been dominated by battles over carrying concealed weapons. California, where open carry is allowed if the gun is unloaded, is a battleground on the issue now.
Locally, Maplewood just banned open carrying of firearms after a man walked into Walmart with a holstered pistol.
Opponents say the practice isn't necessary in modern times. But supporters such as Randall want to affirm their rights.
"My wish is to show that open carry is a viable form of carry and a legal option in many places," Randall said.
"Openly carrying guns creates a culture of fear and intimidation," countered Brian Malte, director of state legislation for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Handgun Violence. "It's alarming to the populace, and it's alarming to the police."
In California, where legislators are weighing a ban on open carry, gun owners have shown up at Starbucks with holstered weapons, Malte said, and protesters have followed them.
The coffee chain's position has been that the issue should be decided in legislatures and courts rather than in its stores. So the company follows the local laws.
That has led open carry advocates to frequent the stores, even if, like Randall, they don't claim to be big coffee drinkers.
Ted Bruce, an assistant attorney general, said Missouri generally allows a person to carry guns openly with a few restrictions such as polling places, schools, churches and government buildings. It is also illegal to carry a firearm while intoxicated, he said.
However, many individual Missouri municipalities have instituted stricter laws banning open carry. And Bruce said businesses can restrict guns: "If Starbucks wanted to say 'you can't come in with a gun,' they would have the right to do that."
Both open and concealed carry are considered illegal in Illinois.
LITTLE ATTENTION
Malte said even gun rights advocates are split on open carry. "Most Americans do not think that's normal behavior," he said.
Mike Stollenwerk, co-founder of OpenCarry.org, said gun rights advocates usually have three issues. They want the right to carry, the right to transfer ownership and the right to use their weapons for self-defense. But he and other advocates see open carry without requiring a permit as a practice courts have upheld for years based on the constitutional right to bear arms.
"Open carry is the Second Amendment," Stollenwerk said.
Stollenwerk said those who carry properly holstered handguns rarely receive much attention. "When people do notice, they disregard it or ask friendly questions like, 'Hey, do I need a permit to do that?'" he said.
"In the end, even most concealed carriers want the right to choose open carry when it suits them and their circumstances, just like open carriers want the right to choose concealed carry sometimes."
Randall posts regularly on OpenCarry.org. He said he decided about three years ago to wear his gun to a Walmart in St. Charles. He was nervous, he said, but nothing happened. No one seemed to notice.
Since then, Randall has gone to Starbucks shops throughout the area. He has posted videos on YouTube, and his gun-toting coffee shop ventures drew the attention of others who have joined him.
One, Jared Miller, 39, of Lincoln County, said Randall helped him overcome misgivings about open carrying in more-populated areas. "I've always wanted to do that, but I was a little nervous," he said.
ENCOUNTERS WITH COPS
At times, Randall and his group encounter police officers. Someone called St. Charles police when he openly carried on Main Street in 2010. He posted a video of the encounter on YouTube.
A search of the video site leads to a host of similar encounters across the country. Some, like Randall's in St. Charles, are cordial. Some, like an incident in Philadelphia, were peppered with foul language and involved officers drawing their weapons.
Randall says he isn't looking for a lawsuit or confrontation, but he wants officers to know he has the legal right to carry.
He has researched local ordinances online and by calling city officials or visiting them in person. He said the rules vary greatly across the Missouri side of the metro area. In St. Peters, open carry is allowed for those who have concealed carry permits. City ordinances prohibit open carry in St. Louis. In St. Charles, no permit is required.
The Maplewood City Council recently banned open carry. Police Chief Steve Kruse said he recommended the change after Walmart security called police on March 12 to report a man in the store with a holstered pistol. Officers eventually arrested him on a St. Louis County traffic warrant, Kruse said.
Kruse said citizens can carry concealed if they get the proper permit.
"Why would you feel that you have to openly carry a firearm knowing full well that people are going to be alarmed by it, and the police are going to be called?" he asked.
Randall said he prefers open carry because it is more comfortable. He also said it could deter those with ill intent from committing a crime. He says it's important to him to exercise his rights because, if he doesn't, "Did I really have the right? No. I only had the illusion."
Often, people don't notice Randall carrying his gun. When they do, most are more curious than confrontational, he said, but he understands some may be afraid. He said he tries to be friendly and professional to put others at ease and fight the image of guns as villains.
"Civil society is not about bare minimums," Randall said. "It is about treating others in a manner that you want to be treated and understanding that others' perspectives and agendas may be very different than your own."
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