CORONA 40% of Wild Deer in US Have Coronavirus Antibodies

[Dozdoats]

So you're suggesting a vaccine?

Pb injections as required.

 

[Intestinal Fortitude]

and pets? dogs and cats
and what about wild hogs?

 

[PrairieMoon]

Bambi varient?

 

[WalknTrot]

Bottom line...it's anti-bodies they are finding. BFD. Yes..most of our household dogs and cats probably have them by now too, if somebody would bother to check. It's been shown to be transmissible to them...but probably most stay completely asymtomatic.

Fail to see what the is...except some sort of anti-hunting/environmental whacko agenda. National Geographic went over the dark side of that whole thing many years ago.

 

[Intestinal Fortitude]

if they can and are testing animals for anti-bodies;
then they should be testing HUMANS as well.

Natural Acquired Immunity

 

[pinkelsteinsmom]

Yes, a few dogs and more cats have come down with this but at least so far, they all seem to have caught it from their humans or occasionally other cats (in the case of zoos, it is very hard to tell).

Thankfully so far, it seems to be a mostly one-way disease, suggesting that the current COVID-19 versions out there prefer human subjects but will occasionally jump to cats and dogs if there is an opportunity to do so.

The deer thing is worrying because if the infection rate really is 40 percent (and I'd have to see a lot more information like sample size and locations tested before accepting that number) but if it really is 40 percent then it suggests the disease is going from deer to deer.

That means the deer themselves may have become a host species (like bats) and that variations and mutations can be happening in the deer population as well as in humans.

This simply means there is one more location that more lethal (or infectious) versions of the disease might develop but it also doesn't mean that it will happen, only that it could.

Ebola Reston showed that the disease could become airborne in monkeys but so far there have not been any cases (known) of that sort of transmission between human beings. So just because something exists in animals, even our close cousins, doesn't mean it will jump to humans in a mutated form, but it can.

No dogs or cats et all in the animal kingdom have not "come down " with it. The testing is a joke enough, but since sars II ( covid-19 ) has been proven to not exist, the testing is the hoax. Yes dogs and cats can catch a type of corona and they can be vac'd for those. This article is horse shit plain and simple. Deer meat can sustain those who survive this plandemic, they want to cull those pesky deer so you can't EAT when their plans a finalized!

 

[workhorse]

Look at the end game folks. Only meat that is safe is Frankenstein meat (vegetable based). The only reason your dad and grandpa had those high powered rifles was to hunt. So just turn them in and get a free gift card. Also a lot of hunters only have 2-3 boxes of ammo and are complaining now that it’s $1.99-$1.25 a shot who can afford to go hunting. And a lot of the gun problem just goes away.

 

[vestige]

I would love to have seen them wrangle the deer and stick that swab up their nose. I'd would have paid to see it!



Alright, I assume they did a blood test. Did they harvest the deer just for this purpose? Was it road kill they tested? One does not just catch wild deer and then release them, unless maybe they were "wild" deer that hang around people so much they are almost tame, like at some campgrounds or rehabilitated fawns. Did someone find them dead and a state wildlife employee tested the carcass? Need more information.

My thoughts exactly.

I want to see a pic of the fleet of foot SOB that can run down a deer, physically restrain it while he draws a blood sample and then release it.

 

[FireDance]

Water supply? That’s the only way I can see it spreading like that. Unless people have given pet deer the crap. But I still don’t believe those numbers. Oh well. If I get venison I will eat it anyway.

 

[SouthernBreeze]

I'm questioning the OP, until I find out more about how these deer were tested and why. We don't eat venison, but our oldest DS could live off of it and fish as his only meat source. He harvests several each season.

 

[Kathy in FL]

And just to get crazier, were the humans that were testing the wild deer populations the vector that spread the disease to begin with? We they inadvertently contaminating the specimens because they were "typhoid Mary" types?

 

[ambereyes]

Not going to interfere with my usual harvesting this fall, I'll fill the freezer as usual.

 

[texkat72]

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[pauldingbabe]

Water supply? That’s the only way I can see it spreading like that. Unless people have given pet deer the crap. But I still don’t believe those numbers. Oh well. If I get venison I will eat it anyway.

Contrails, aliens, etc. Nothing is of the table in bizarro land.

 

[goosebeans]

I'm questioning the OP, until I find out more about how these deer were tested and why. We don't eat venison, but our oldest DS could live off of it and fish as his only meat source. He harvests several each season.

I would imagine it's along the lines of tranquilize, draw blood ( or whatever) and release.

A lot of people feed wild life, Our closest neighbor used to dump a half bag of chicken feed out in the yard for her hens each day. The deer started showing up to eat it. She was delighted to have deer in her yard and as soon as she retired she started encouraging them to get closer and closer, until, one by one they gained enough confidence to come onto her porch. She also dumps out bags of cat food for the racoons, because "I just love raccoons" "I've always had a way with wild animals", The whole raccoon family now lives under the porch. "Oh and look! the bear has started come and eat the chicken feed too!! " Oh I just love bears!!
Then, I catch the bear dragging off one of my sheep! and another sheep! And then one night I go out to see why a goat is screaming and almost walk into a 400lb black bear tearing the stomach out of a goat he'd somehow pulled over the fence!!! Needless to say I've had a huge falling out with this woman. A couple days ago she actually called me. "I just want to warn you, the bear has been coming every day! I opened the door this morning and he was standing right there on the porch in front of me!!! He must have smelt something but I promise I'm not putting any food out ( I know she is) . This woman has a doctorate in Animal behavior!! Crazy as a loon.

 

[Melodi]

No dogs or cats et all in the animal kingdom have not "come down " with it. The testing is a joke enough, but since sars II ( covid-19 ) has been proven to not exist, the testing is the hoax. Yes dogs and cats can catch a type of corona and they can be vac'd for those. This article is horse shit plain and simple. Deer meat can sustain those who survive this plandemic, they want to cull those pesky deer so you can't EAT when their plans a finalized!

Not the sort of testing that has been involved with the cats, especially the Big Cats on this side of the water. That was done in a proper lab and was the first red flag (over a year ago) that this particular CORONA virus could jump species.

There were outbreaks among big cats on both sides of the water in zoos, on this side of the water pet owners with COVID symptoms were asked not to sleep with Fluffy and Fido to avoid accidentally making them ill.

Once again, the public tests are not always all that accurate but once you start using electron microscopes and proper lab equipment these things can be sorted.

One of the things Nightwolf was worried about from day one and has watched play out has been as the various world governments, health departments, and big pharma all put out tons of "information" they knew to be either confused at best, and downright lies at worst; that people would naturally stop believing anything that anyone actually said.

It does get really tedious to look over tons of medical papers, some of them out of places like India because of censorship on certain topics by various Western Governments (probably on the lobbying of Big Pharma) and dealing with headlines like "A Study Shows this or that" and you find out that the study (from Pfizer) had 28 whole participants and had not been peer-reviewed or properly published.

Thankfully for my family, Nightwolf is willing to do this and has the skills to see before the mRNA vaccines even came out that the rates of side-effects from Pfizers OWN very limited, publications; were likely to be way beyond what is acceptable for a vaccine for this type of disease.

And he turned out to be totally correct on that, if anything the results finally being admitted in countries like Israel that don't like to play games with their healthcare, is worse than the early figures predicted in terms of extremely serious side-effects.

I'm open either way on the deer, like I said, really bad reporting and we would need a lot more information on the numbers of animals, types of testing, and location before making any serious decision one way or the other.

 

[Kathy in FL]

I would imagine it's along the lines of tranquilize, draw blood ( or whatever) and release.

A lot of people feed wild life, Our closest neighbor used to dump a half bag of chicken feed out in the yard for her hens each day. The deer started showing up to eat it. She was delighted to have deer in her yard and as soon as she retired she started encouraging them to get closer and closer, until, one by one they gained enough confidence to come onto her porch. She also dumps out bags of cat food for the racoons, because "I just love raccoons" "I've always had a way with wild animals", The whole raccoon family now lives under the porch. "Oh and look! the bear has started come and eat the chicken feed too!! " Oh I just love bears!!
Then, I catch the bear dragging off one of my sheep! and another sheep! And then one night I go out to see why a goat is screaming and almost walk into a 400lb black bear tearing the stomach out of a goat he'd somehow pulled over the fence!!! Needless to say I've had a huge falling out with this woman. A couple days ago she actually called me. "I just want to warn you, the bear has been coming every day! I opened the door this morning and he was standing right there on the porch in front of me!!! He must have smelt something but I promise I'm not putting any food out ( I know she is) . This woman has a doctorate in Animal behavior!! Crazy as a loon.

Call animal control on this female grizzly adams. I mean for pete sake. The next thing those bears are going to be dragging off is her.

 

[goosebeans]

Call animal control on this female grizzly adams. I mean for pete sake. The next thing those bears are going to be dragging off is her.

First, apologies for the thread drift.

You're right. Or some farmer's little child, playing in the creek. Husband and I have spent a lot of time on the phone with the game warden. His first words were "but it's illegal to feed the deer" Well Duh! What are you going to do about it? His main concern was that we might shoot the bear. You can only get an out of season permit to kill bear if you are a commercial farm! I said, "but this is our food supply" it costs us just as much to replace lost livestock as it does someone with a "registered" farm. "Oh well sorry, you could put out a "bear unwelcome mat" It's a sheet of plywood with nails driven through from the underside. The bear doesn't like to step on it, but don't worry, it won't harm the bear!" ( it's all about the bear) After the last crisis, with the goat, he offered to come and talk to her. OH boy, we could hear her screaming and cursing him out all the way over here! I watched through the binoculars and she was waving her arms and having a fit. He called afterwards "I'm just letting you know, you may have heard, I spoke with Dr. B. I can't divulge any of what was said" That's the last we heard. We're through with the game warden and will do whatever has to be done.

My other concern is that the chicken feed may contain animal protein that the deer should not be eating and the possibility of introducing the deer Wasting Disease. She went in and came out with a big pan of food for them as soon as he left!

So, I can see how, here, Covid could get into the deer population. Neighbor said he saw her on the porch, hand feeding a young buckling last week, when he drove by. It all seems so cute and harmless to regular town people. We see them, out for a Sunday drive, stopping to take pics of the herd of deer in her side yard.

 

[mistaken1]

Vampire bats. Gotta be vampire bats spreading the wuhan bat flu all over the world.

Vampire bats may be spreading the virus, but plain old ordinary blood sucking vampires are spreading corona mitigations all over the world.

 

[Krayola]

Something about this story is not adding up.......

First of all, you have to question if the test results are really accurate due to all the controversy about TPTB faking numbers and/or tests being inaccurate.

But the bigger question for me would be how did all those deer become infected???
It is well known that covid does not transmit outside very well, due to sunlight and being outside in the open air. Even the idiots at the CDC finally admitted this and told everyone not to mask up when outside.

So unless the deer are huddling together breathing into each other's face, how did this virus supposedly infect 40% of them? Something's not right here.

 

[medic38572]

Why are all these studies always done in communist states?

 

[hd5574]

That's what I was thinking.

god is good all the time

Judy

Thats what I'm thinking...instant antibodies. .instant immunity?
Reminds me of the cow pox and the smallpox.
Diary maids didn't get smallpox ...because they had had cow pox.
My pediatrician was old enough to to have seen small pox.

 

[mistaken1]

Is there suddenly a large number of deer just dropping dead in their tracks? Haven't heard a word. That must mean that the deer survive to have antibodies. SURVIVE. That is the thing that people can't seem to wrap their heads around. 99%+ people that catch covid19 survive. It sucks to get sick but come on people. Don't freak out. Don't let them control you with fear.

It's a corona pandemic! The pandemic that keeps on giving ..... the communists excuses to seize control of everyone and everything.

 

[Randy in Arizona]

Now they need to test:

Skunks
Bobcats
Mountain lions
Grizzly bears
Wolverines
Bison
Buzzards
Alligators
Snapping turtles
Sharks
Barracuda

Democrat Congress Critters ( Also check for Rabies! )

803

 

[Dennis Olson]

I call bullshit. You people don’t believe anything the media, government or their science lackeys say, but you suddenly believe that f’ing DEER have Covid?

Discernment has become a rare thing.

 

[colonel holman]

a heads up, perhaps:

Someone quoted a link on this to nationalgeographic.com

However, the national geographic society’s web site is nationalgeographic.org.

Nonprofits generally use .org
while someone spoofing them would be relegated to .com

I, therefore, question the source as possibly being agent provocateur ??

 

[Dennis Olson]

I just looked it up. The National Geographic MAGAZINE website is the .COM

The National Geographic SOCIETY website is the .ORG

 

[Mprepared]

I concern myself a bit about this since I have numerous deer on my property and I raise sheep.

Startling Discovery Suggests 40% of Wild Deer in The US Have Had The Coronavirus

CARLY CASSELLA
4 AUGUST 2021

The novel coronavirus appears to have somehow jumped from humans to wild deer in some parts of the United States.
In the northeast of the nation, a recent federal survey found neutralizing antibodies for SARS-CoV-2 in 40 percent of all white-tailed deer (Odocoileus virginianus) that were sampled.
In the state of Michigan alone, 67 percent of free-ranging deer showed immune markers for the coronavirus in their bloodwork.
It's the first evidence of widespread exposure to SARS-CoV-2 in wild animals, and while the preprint study still needs to be verified and peer-reviewed, the findings are cause for concern.
While none of the deer showed adverse health effects, the presence of specific antibodies in their blood suggests they recently fought off the virus.
By silently harboring and spreading this pathogen, scientists worry deer populations are allowing SARS-CoV-2 to adapt and evolve into new strains – ones that could possibly re-infect humans years down the road with even greater transmissibility and severity than before.
After all, white-tailed deer in the US cross paths with our species a lot, whether it be from fieldwork, conservation work, feeding, hunting, or human wastewater, providing a perfect pathway for a virus to spread back and forth.
"The geographic distribution of this species encompasses most of North America and these animals are particularly abundant near urban population centers located in the eastern US," the authors write in their paper.
"Moreover, white-tailed deer can form social groups, a contact structure with the potential to support the intraspecies transmission of multiple pathogens."
Ever since the global pandemic first started, scientists have been worried about the novel coronavirus jumping from humans to another species of animal, known as zoonotic spillback.
Last year, for instance, an outbreak among farmed minks led to a massive cull of livestock in Europe and the United States. But unlike captive animals, infections among wild animals are not so easily controlled.
That's why scientists are so concerned by the recent findings. If SARS-CoV-2 can indeed find refuge in the wild, it could make eradication extremely difficult. If the virus adapts among another species and then reinfects humans, our vaccines might be far less effective in the future.
Recently, in Utah, a seemingly healthy wild mink tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, becoming the first free-ranging animal to pick up the virus. As scientists predicted, however, that was probably just the tip of the iceberg. Now, it seems apparent the virus has taken off among wild deer as well.
These free-ranging animals will need to be tested for viral RNA if we want to be absolutely sure that they are providing a reservoir for the novel coronavirus, but the presence of antibodies in their blood suggests they have somehow been exposed.
Previous studies in the laboratory have shown white-tailed deer are highly susceptible to SARS-CoV-2, and that one infected individual of this species can infect another.
This new survey suggests a similar spread could be happening in the wild, although more research is needed to figure out how that's happening.
The team had access to 385 wild white-tailed deer serum samples from January to March 2021, as well as 239 archived samples from 2011 to 2020, which they tested for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies.
Before the onset of the pandemic in 2019, government researchers found no immune markers for the SARS-CoV-2 virus in the bloodwork of wild deer. After the pandemic began, however, these antibodies began to pop up more and more.
In 2020, specific blood proteins for SARS-CoV-2 were found among three deer. Within the first three months of this year, however, nearly half of all 385 blood samples taken from deer in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Illinois, and New York showed the same neutralizing antibodies.
How these deer were exposed to the virus in the first place is still unclear. It could have jumped directly from humans, or it could have been passed from livestock or wild animals that came into contact with us, and then onto white-tailed deer.
As such, officials in the US are calling for greater wildlife surveillance, especially among predators and scavengers that regularly interact with deer.
"If there is a common source of exposure for the deer, then likely the same source can expose other animals," virologist Arinjay Banerjee from the University of Saskatchewan, who wasn't involved with the study, told Nature.
SARS-CoV-2 may be spilling into the wild faster than we can mop it up.
The study was published in bioRxiv.

Didn't a president of some country send a sample of a pineapple and it had covid too?

 

[Heliobas Disciple]

a heads up, perhaps: Someone quoted a link on this to nationalgeographic.com
However, the national geographic society’s web site is nationalgeographic.org. Nonprofits generally use .org
while someone spoofing them would be relegated to .com I, therefore, question the source as possibly being agent provocateur ??

I posted the article from National Geographic and before you accuse me of being an agent provocateur, did you click on the link? Because that's a really disgusting accusation to make off the cuff. The org site is free articles, the com site is paid subscription only. That's the only difference.

And while I'm at it, 99% of the comments on this thread were made from reading a headline. instant snowflake, group think, cognitive dissonant, defensive comments from a headline. if anyone bothered to read the article, most of their comments were addressed. And they specifically said the animals were OK to eat - so there's no grand conspiracy going on other than to point out (as the more intelligent posters who did read said) that the virus is jumping species and can mutate in an animal and reemerge in a mutated form down the road. that means it will be harder to control with a vaccine. It's actually an interesting and scientific article. fwiw.

HD

 

[Heliobas Disciple]

I just looked it up. The National Geographic MAGAZINE website is the .COM

The National Geographic SOCIETY website is the .ORG

Thank you Dennis. It's heartening to me that you checked.

HD

 

[colonel holman]

I posted the article from National Geographic and before you accuse me of being an agent provocateur, did you click on the link? Because that's a really disgusting accusation to make off the cuff. The org site is free articles, the com site is paid subscription only. That's the only difference.

And while I'm at it, 99% of the comments on this thread were made from reading a headline. instant snowflake, group think, cognitive dissonant, defensive comments from a headline. if anyone bothered to read the article, most of their comments were addressed. And they specifically said the animals were OK to eat - so there's no grand conspiracy going on other than to point out (as the more intelligent posters who did read said) that the virus is jumping species and can mutate in an animal and reemerge in a mutated form down the road. that means it will be harder to control with a vaccine. It's actually an interesting and scientific article. fwiw.

HD

I certainly was NOT accusing YOU of agent provocateur! So very sorry if it appeared that way. Was stating a suspicion that the source .com was playing that role, as has been done in the past by masquerading as .org sites… a common trap. And, yes, I did watch the video. Was just raising the possibility of a fake post to inflame reactions. As DO said, discernment is important. So apologies for not being clear, as i always respect your posts.

 

[Melodi]

COVID-19 can and has jumped species, just like some other Corona Viruses do - is it in deer? I don't know the article was too badly written and I can't look up the medical study (if there is one) for Nightwolf to look at.

But only a few viruses only infect humans (Smallpox is one of them) most do have "animal vectors, and when people live close to animals (as pets or livestock) diseases start to jump back in forth. That starts to happen as soon as humans start practicing serious agriculture and animal herding.

A recent example:

Endangered Sumatran tigers in Jakarta zoo infected with COVID

In Indonesia, two male Sumatran tigers are recovering from coronavirus after testing positive in mid-July.

www.aljazeera.com

Endangered Sumatran tigers recovering from COVID in Jakarta zoo
In Indonesia, two male Sumatran tigers are recovering from coronavirus after testing positive in mid-July, with officials trying to determine how they were infected.

The Sumatran tiger is Indonesia's only remaining tiger subspecies [File: Darren Whiteside/Reuters]
The Sumatran tiger is Indonesia's only remaining tiger subspecies [File: Darren Whiteside/Reuters]
1 Aug 2021
Jakarta city officials say two critically endangered male Sumatran tigers at a zoo in Indonesia’s capital tested positive for coronavirus but are expected to recover.

Nine-year-old Tino and 12-year-old Hari were receiving medication and remained under close observation by veterinarians at Ragunan Zoo, the head of Jakarta Parks and Urban Forest Agency, Suzi Marsitawati, said on Sunday.

Marsitawati said samples taken from the animals on July 14 tested positive for the virus.


“The two tigers had received medication, including antibiotics, and multivitamins, since they began showing symptoms. After 12 days of medications, their conditions began to improve and they are expected to recover,” Marsitawati said.

“Their appetites have returned and they are back to being active.”

She added in a statement that the zoo is still trying to trace how the tigers were exposed, since the facility was closed under Jakarta’s pandemic-related restrictions when the cats started showing symptoms.

“We have traced all caretakers and zoo staff on duty when the tigers began to get sick, but so far none of them were exposed to COVID-19,” Marsitawati said.

The Sumatran tiger is Indonesia’s only remaining tiger subspecies, and only 600 remain. The other two subspecies – the Javan tiger and the Bali tiger – are extinct.

Indonesia has been Southeast Asia’s hardest-hit country during the COVID-19 pandemic, with more than 3.4 million infections and some 94,000 deaths.

 

[Heliobas Disciple]

I certainly was NOT accusing YOU of agent provocateur! So very sorry if it appeared that way. Was stating a suspicion that the source .com was playing that role, as has been done in the past by masquerading as .org sites… a common trap. And, yes, I did watch the video. Was just raising the possibility of a fake post to inflame reactions. As DO said, discernment is important. So apologies for not being clear, as i always respect your posts.

Thank you for clarifying. I overreacted, I'm currently in pain with a very inflamed sciatica situation going on. It hurts no matter where I am or what position I'm in, including sitting at the computer. So my nerves are frayed. I was actually more upset that the comment came from you than I was at the comment because of how much I respect you and look forward to reading your posts. In fact, I was about to search out your pdf for sciatica pain. I was reading along the thread but holding my tongue at all the posters who didn't bother to read the articles but when I felt (erroneously) personally attacked by you I guess it hit a nerve (pun intended!). Apology of course accepted, you are always one of my favorite posters (which is why your post hit so hard).

HD

 

[colonel holman]

Thank you for clarifying. I overreacted, I'm currently in pain with a very inflamed sciatica situation going on. It hurts no matter where I am or what position I'm in, including sitting at the computer. So my nerves are frayed. I was actually more upset that the comment came from you than I was at the comment because of how much I respect you and look forward to reading your posts. In fact, I was about to search out your pdf for sciatica pain. I was reading along the thread but holding my tongue at all the posters who didn't bother to read the articles but when I felt (erroneously) personally attacked by you I guess it hit a nerve (pun intended!). Apology of course accepted, you are always one of my favorite posters (which is why your post hit so hard).

HD

It’s all good. Totally understand. Sciatica or any chronic daily pain will mess up your head. If it does not, there’s something wrong with you. Th link you seek is at

https://hebertphysicaltherapy.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/low-back.pdf

 

[Heliobas Disciple]

It’s all good. Totally understand. Sciatica or any chronic daily pain will mess up your head. If it does not, there’s something wrong with you. Th link you seek is at

https://hebertphysicaltherapy.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/low-back.pdf

Thank you! That's what I was going to search for. I will read it cover to cover now.

HD

 

[colonel holman]

Thank you! That's what I was going to search for. I will read it cover to cover now.

HD

PM any followup questions

 

[helen]

Are the deer producing healthy offspring at the normal rate?

Not an idle question.

 

[helen]

Hunters, have you seen a decrease in the number of fawns this year?

 

[Luddite]

Hunters, have you seen a decrease in the number of fawns this year?

Now that you ask, I think yes, fewer fawns. Saw a couple sets of twins this week. Saw 4 big does eyeing my garden today, not one little thieving, eventual car destroying offspring amongst them.
Possibly the babies were hiding. (they're almost old enough to be considered impetuous adolescents by now)

I accidentally get a few with my hay mowing equipment. Not this year. Only jumped 2 iirc.

You have started scaring me helen... as opposed to my usual amusement.

 

[AlaskaSue]

Hmmmmm…moose? Caribou? Have to keep an eye out…