Groucho
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Good point.Maybe take the World War 1 discussion to another thread so those on phones don't have to keep scrolling through history to find current events . . . maybe?
Asking for a friend?
ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread
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vector7
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WWIII UPDATE: Senator Lindsey Graham Calls for US Military to Open Fire on Russian Jets – “That’s What Ronald Reagan Would Do”
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Tucker: Zelenskyy is demanding you send your kids to war (15min)
Mar 15, 2023
von Koehler
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Since many here, if not a majority, favor Putin's invasion of Ukraine I was wondering what you think a post war Europa, Russia,and Ukraine would be like?
Wow.....
von Koehler
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It's a reasonable question. Eventually the war will end. I am just assuming Russia will win, which judging from the posts here, the majority also believe.
What are the results?
What are the results?
John Deere Girl
Veteran Member
I can't say the words that come to mind right now about the gay hillbilly and the deranged little drag queen! These super freaks seriously want a nuclear war., and they should be made to be on the front lines, not our sons and daughters!
If the "international system" and the US "leadership" was what it should be at a minimum a ceasefire should have been arrived at a long time ago. For that matter Putin wouldn't have entered into this war in the first place.
vector7
Dot Collector
Uh, NO!
I'm not happy with the arrangement that Soros/Obama created with the stupid Euromaiden revolution/coup stunt in 2013 to provoke Putin into moving into Crimea.
We should have worked with the elected Ukrainian government and respected their sovereignty. (But that's not how the DNC/DS works).
THEN "IF" Putin invaded then we could've pulled in NATO and the UN and showed a much higher level of solidarity, strength and resolve in defending Ukraine.
As it looks now, we (JoeBama/fewRINOS and Soros/WEF) are the ones who look like the bullies.
Influencing foreign elections (CIA) and blowing up NS2 to escalate a situation that could have been negotiated without a proxy war.
von Koehler
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I am not arguing about what should have been done or not done.
It's too late for that discussion; the war is ongoing. Or "special military operation" if you prefer.
What do you think a Russian victory will look like?
von Koehler
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Again not asking about what lead up to this war.
Right or wrong, it's too late.
What's the results for Europa, Russia, and Ukraine?
vector7
Dot Collector
I'm very hawkish on Russia and China along with their allies.
But you can't go in provoking with stupid stunts and showing weakness and win dealing with serious adversaries like Russia and China.
I get what you are saying but Obama and Soros ruined our chances of having the high ground here.
But you can't go in provoking with stupid stunts and showing weakness and win dealing with serious adversaries like Russia and China.
I get what you are saying but Obama and Soros ruined our chances of having the high ground here.
vector7
Dot Collector
Look what has been lost on the Ukrainian people with this DNC/DS grift.
It's genocide what is happening to the people of Ukraine.
The same thing the DNC/DS did to...
Clinton - Bosnian and Kosovo wars
Bush W - Iraq and Afghanistan (war on Terror)
Obama - Egypt, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Syria
Biden - Ukraine
Tristan
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I'm beginning to think they revel in the death and destruction.
Blood rites.
And they get rich from it. From our money...
vector7
Dot Collector
That's what disgusts me the most.
That the DNC/DS provoking this situation are:
Woke
Anti-family
Groomers
Racists
Pro Crime
Fascists
Communists
Corrupt
Grifters
Anarchists
Two-Tired JustUS
Against the 1st Amendment
Against the 2st Amendment
One World
Globalists
For dominating and controlling everyone on the planet
and Satanic
It pisses me off that I find myself on the side of Russia resisting all this BS from the GLOBAL LEFTIST/DS come down on the wrong side of every single issue imaginable.
vector7
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My concern is it will resemble many prophecies discussed here about America's destruction.
von Koehler
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So you think the Ukainians will be genocided by the Russians?
The conditions internationally and in the US are still the same.
A Russian "victory" at this point for Putin to have a chance for his regime to survive IMHO would have to have all of Ukraine as well as the breakaway territory in Moldova under full Russian control with likely as not a refocus upon the Baltic States and Finland.
Now if Putin's cabal starts breaking up it's anyone's guess as to what happens. Also this whole mess isn't happening in a vacuum with the Middle East at large. Iran in particular, the PRC and North Korea all pushing and pulling.
von Koehler
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I am not saying that Russia will win. It's a hypothetical question. I want to know what would happen if Russia wins.
Any guesses?
vector7
Dot Collector
I'm concerned we've recklessly started something that won't end at Ukraine's borders and may involve other regions and nations down the road.
wait-n-see
Veteran Member
I think this is the most likely outcome of what Russia takes from Ukraine. (image from an article last month).
I believe there are only 2 outcomes.
One is the DS/west panics and causes incidents that result in WWIII.
The other is Russian wins.
Russia losing is not an option as, even noted by Putin and other Russian leading figures, this is for the survival of Russia.
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The best Ukraine can hope for is a rump state under Russian "influence". It will be a landlocked country surviving at the whim of Russia.
Europe will be a castrated version of it's former self, facing massive financial, energy and food issues. Europe will go "hat in hand" to kiss the ring of Putin and ask if he will be willing to sell them energy again and over look what they tried to do.
The US will have enough issues dealing with our own problems back home trying to rearm, keep the economy from crashing, and deal with an energized China to offer much help to Europe.
Well said.
What other choice are we left with?
The Dnipro river is a mile wide in many places and in many other places it is 150 ft high on the west side, like around Kherson
I think this is the most likely outcome of what Russia takes from Ukraine. (image from an article last month).
I believe there are only 2 outcomes.
One is the DS/west panics and causes incidents that result in WWIII.
The other is Russian wins.
Russia losing is not an option as, even noted by Putin and other Russian leading figures, this is for the survival of Russia.
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The best Ukraine can hope for is a rump state under Russian "influence". It will be a landlocked country surviving at the whim of Russia.
Europe will be a castrated version of it's former self, facing massive financial, energy and food issues. Europe will go "hat in hand" to kiss the ring of Putin and ask if he will be willing to sell them energy again and over look what they tried to do.
The US will have enough issues dealing with our own problems back home trying to rearm, keep the economy from crashing, and deal with an energized China to offer much help to Europe.
There is no feasible scenario in which Russia can take over Odessa and make Ukraine a landlocked country.
The other route is around the river and over Zapo City and as we are seeing in the battle for Bakhmut the Russians are having trouble even moving a few yards a day much less hundreds of miles through determined opposition.
This map also doesn't stand up under scrutiny when you understand how much and how long lasting the internal resistance would be if they were to effect these maps.
There would be multi-generational partisan warfare that would make the entire region useless to anyone.
The Mongols will sweep across Asia and besiege Vienna again. Pyramids will be made of the skulls of their defeated enemies. After all, what is best in life? “To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!”
Zagdid
Veteran Member
In this case, a concatenation of failed diplomacy leads to a concatenation of death and destruction whereby the limits are only based on the continuing ability to kill and destroy. There are no measurable results. Only consequences.
jward
passin' thru
US Air Force MQ 9 camera footage: Russian Su 27 Black Sea intercept
U.S. European Command
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Two Russian Su-27 aircraft conducted an unsafe and unprofessional intercept with a U.S. Air Force intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance unmanned MQ-9 aircraft operating within international airspace over the Black Sea on March 14, 2023. Russian Su-27s dumped fuel upon and struck the propeller of the MQ-9, causing U.S. forces to have to bring the MQ-9 down in international waters. (U.S. Air Force video)
(Editor's Note: This declassified video has been edited for length, however, the events are depicted in sequential order.)
RT<1m
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqsSYp-51Hs&t=42s
U.S. European Command
2.35K subscribers
4,848 views Mar 16, 2023
Two Russian Su-27 aircraft conducted an unsafe and unprofessional intercept with a U.S. Air Force intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance unmanned MQ-9 aircraft operating within international airspace over the Black Sea on March 14, 2023. Russian Su-27s dumped fuel upon and struck the propeller of the MQ-9, causing U.S. forces to have to bring the MQ-9 down in international waters. (U.S. Air Force video)
(Editor's Note: This declassified video has been edited for length, however, the events are depicted in sequential order.)
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Hognutz
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jward
passin' thru
more careless smoking and boombooms in RU
Joyce Karam
@Joyce_Karam
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RUSSIA: Big fire at Federal Security Service (FSB) building in city of Rostov-on-Don. Reasons still unknown, explosions/bangs were heard:
View: https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1636336161185513475?s=20
Joyce Karam
@Joyce_Karam
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RUSSIA: Big fire at Federal Security Service (FSB) building in city of Rostov-on-Don. Reasons still unknown, explosions/bangs were heard:
View: https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1636336161185513475?s=20
jward
passin' thru
I'm concerned we've INTENTIONALLY started something that was DESIGNED to involve other regions and nations down the road.
..What was the OP ?, where does it end? With our telling o' the story in ocher on the cave walls, imho.
jward
passin' thru
hmm.
Alex Luck
@AlexLuck9
4m
Here's the thing. Every time the US lose a drone against an adversary using legacy capability to kill said drone, the US win.
If you disagree, thats fine, but let me point you to all the stuff the US military still fields that matches 1:1 the legacy capability of opponents.
And yes, this swings both ways. If the US, or US-affiliated partners kill OPFOR drones with legacy capability, the OPFOR still looks pretty fly for a white guy. This is why freaking out about a drone loss defeats the point of the entire exercise.
Alex Luck
@AlexLuck9
4m
Here's the thing. Every time the US lose a drone against an adversary using legacy capability to kill said drone, the US win.
If you disagree, thats fine, but let me point you to all the stuff the US military still fields that matches 1:1 the legacy capability of opponents.
And yes, this swings both ways. If the US, or US-affiliated partners kill OPFOR drones with legacy capability, the OPFOR still looks pretty fly for a white guy. This is why freaking out about a drone loss defeats the point of the entire exercise.
LightEcho
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When you put it that way, it is pretty damned scary and condemning. There is no doubt it is all being orchestrated and the murder of humanity is the goal. They are using a multi-pronged attack. War, vaxx, food GMO, toxic agriculture, bioengineered weapons, environmental hazards, geo-engineering/climate / high atmosphere chemical spraying, radio wave pollution, etc.
Some here don't see the big picture. Rah rah Ukraine... we will beat Putin back... slava Ukraine.... Russia is out of missile..... slava Ukraine army.... Russia has an internal revolution..... rah rah, uhhh... what happened to the Ukraine army?
I warned the propagandists that Ukraine would be wiped.... as in ALL their soldiers, citizen conscripts kidnapped off the streets, boys and old men, and now even women, being sent to the murder trenches. I still see clowns preaching how Ukraine is about to start a spring offensive. Damned idiots. They cheered while their own people are being decimated. Freekin sad.
LightEcho
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unsafe and unprofessional intercept
As someone pointed out above... that is freeking laughable in a war zone. What would be safe and professional is letting the drone provide the enemy information to kill hundreds of friendly (Russian) soldiers and lay groundwork for a strategic military move.
I am embarrassed by, ashamed of, and disgusted with the military & political crap the US is doing. Every day I see another reason why America needs to be destroyed since our core life is already dead.
jward
passin' thru
It is my understanding that international standards, practices and definitions already exist and serve for the basis of conversations like this between nations.
..so they don't just pull nonsense accusations out of their nether regions and slap it on their reports- they're using predetermined and pre defined, pre agreed upon terms and pre existing norms to speak of the incident. To get hung up on these words, or the mentioning of environmental damage is to go for the low hanging fruit and miss the main points.
But yes. I no longer ask how did the jews end up boarding those trains, or how did the Germans suffer a man such as hitler to exist. I'm an American in 2023. I have some idea now just how insidiously that happens and how powerless other wise well intention-ed people can feel. And be.
..so they don't just pull nonsense accusations out of their nether regions and slap it on their reports- they're using predetermined and pre defined, pre agreed upon terms and pre existing norms to speak of the incident. To get hung up on these words, or the mentioning of environmental damage is to go for the low hanging fruit and miss the main points.
But yes. I no longer ask how did the jews end up boarding those trains, or how did the Germans suffer a man such as hitler to exist. I'm an American in 2023. I have some idea now just how insidiously that happens and how powerless other wise well intention-ed people can feel. And be.
northern watch
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Poland Lays Out Plans to Send MiG-29 Fighters to Ukraine; Supplying jet fighters crosses a threshold in Western support for Kyiv
Thursday, March 16, 2023, 7:52 AM ET
By James Marson and Karolina Jeznach
Wall Street Journal
Poland released the first details of its and other European countries’ plans to send MiG-29 warplanes to Ukraine, pushing Western support for Kyiv over a key threshold ahead of a planned offensive later this spring, despite warnings from Russia against Western nations playing a larger role in the conflict.
The Polish government this week said a coalition of countries was willing to send their Soviet-designed MiG-29 warplanes to Ukraine and Poland’s Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said that Warsaw would deliver its own planes in 4-6 weeks, Polish state news agency PAP reported. An official at the country’s Bureau for National Security said Poland could send 4-5 planes “for a start” as soon as a week from now.
“Our security will not suffer,” said government spokesman Piotr Muller on Thursday. “We will keep the Russian front from our borders at all times.”
The delivery of the jets is the latest show of support from Poland and other European countries at a time when Ukraine is preparing for a spring offensive against Russian defensive positions that have dug in over the winter.
Ukrainian pilots have flown MiG-29 multi-role fighters since the breakup of the Soviet Union, however neither Russia nor Ukraine has managed to gain air superiority in the conflict as air defenses on both sides have made sorties too costly.
The additional planes, which Ukraine has requested since the start of the war, will help Kyiv backfill much needed stocks of the aircraft. Mr. Morawiecki said on Tuesday that Warsaw was also considering providing U.S.-made F-16 fighter planes which would give the Ukrainians a qualitative edge over the Russians.
While the planes are likely outfitted with NATO-specific parts, the time taken to prepare the deliveries would allow for the countries to remove any equipment too sensitive to fall into Russian hands.
The move would entangle Europe further in the Ukrainian conflict, which Russian President Vladimir Putin warned the West to avoid. Ukraine has also worked to repair many of its military airstrips that were damaged in the early stages of the invasion.
The Polish initiative comes as Ukraine is fighting hard to stymie Russian assaults around the eastern city of Bakhmut.
Ukraine’s military released footage of what it said was the downing on Wednesday of a Russian warplane over the city. The video showed a Ukrainian soldier using a shoulder-fired missile followed by a plume of smoke from wreckage on the ground in the distance and a white parachute descending.
Ukraine’s military and political leadership has committed to the defense of Bakhmut, which Russia has made its main immediate target.
The aim, Ukrainian commanders say, is to grind down Russian forces there as Kyiv is preparing to launch a spring offensive. Russia wants to take Bakhmut to further its push into the east toward larger cities.
The Pentagon, meanwhile, released footage of what it called an “unsafe and unprofessional intercept” of a U.S. surveillance drone by two Russian Su-27 jet fighters on Tuesday. The video shows a Russian plane dumping fuel as it passes over the U.S. MQ-9 Reaper surveillance drone. As a second plane approaches for another pass, the camera cuts out. When it restarts, one of the drone’s propellers appears to be bent.
The collision knocked off a piece of the MQ-9 drone and its operators guided it down to the water.
Though both the U.S. and Russia are aiming to avoid incidents that could worsen tensions and widen the war in Ukraine, the collision showed how closely their armed forces are intersecting on the margins of the conflict zone as Washington continues providing support for Ukraine and Moscow warns other nations against taking a bigger role. The U.S. has provided Kyiv more than $30 billion in military aid and equipment, as well as intelligence.
Write to James Marson at james.marson@wsj.com
Poland Lays Out Plans to Send MiG-29 Fighters to Ukraine - WSJ
Thursday, March 16, 2023, 7:52 AM ET
By James Marson and Karolina Jeznach
Wall Street Journal
Poland released the first details of its and other European countries’ plans to send MiG-29 warplanes to Ukraine, pushing Western support for Kyiv over a key threshold ahead of a planned offensive later this spring, despite warnings from Russia against Western nations playing a larger role in the conflict.
The Polish government this week said a coalition of countries was willing to send their Soviet-designed MiG-29 warplanes to Ukraine and Poland’s Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said that Warsaw would deliver its own planes in 4-6 weeks, Polish state news agency PAP reported. An official at the country’s Bureau for National Security said Poland could send 4-5 planes “for a start” as soon as a week from now.
“Our security will not suffer,” said government spokesman Piotr Muller on Thursday. “We will keep the Russian front from our borders at all times.”
The delivery of the jets is the latest show of support from Poland and other European countries at a time when Ukraine is preparing for a spring offensive against Russian defensive positions that have dug in over the winter.
Ukrainian pilots have flown MiG-29 multi-role fighters since the breakup of the Soviet Union, however neither Russia nor Ukraine has managed to gain air superiority in the conflict as air defenses on both sides have made sorties too costly.
The additional planes, which Ukraine has requested since the start of the war, will help Kyiv backfill much needed stocks of the aircraft. Mr. Morawiecki said on Tuesday that Warsaw was also considering providing U.S.-made F-16 fighter planes which would give the Ukrainians a qualitative edge over the Russians.
While the planes are likely outfitted with NATO-specific parts, the time taken to prepare the deliveries would allow for the countries to remove any equipment too sensitive to fall into Russian hands.
The move would entangle Europe further in the Ukrainian conflict, which Russian President Vladimir Putin warned the West to avoid. Ukraine has also worked to repair many of its military airstrips that were damaged in the early stages of the invasion.
The Polish initiative comes as Ukraine is fighting hard to stymie Russian assaults around the eastern city of Bakhmut.
Ukraine’s military released footage of what it said was the downing on Wednesday of a Russian warplane over the city. The video showed a Ukrainian soldier using a shoulder-fired missile followed by a plume of smoke from wreckage on the ground in the distance and a white parachute descending.
Ukraine’s military and political leadership has committed to the defense of Bakhmut, which Russia has made its main immediate target.
The aim, Ukrainian commanders say, is to grind down Russian forces there as Kyiv is preparing to launch a spring offensive. Russia wants to take Bakhmut to further its push into the east toward larger cities.
The Pentagon, meanwhile, released footage of what it called an “unsafe and unprofessional intercept” of a U.S. surveillance drone by two Russian Su-27 jet fighters on Tuesday. The video shows a Russian plane dumping fuel as it passes over the U.S. MQ-9 Reaper surveillance drone. As a second plane approaches for another pass, the camera cuts out. When it restarts, one of the drone’s propellers appears to be bent.
The collision knocked off a piece of the MQ-9 drone and its operators guided it down to the water.
Though both the U.S. and Russia are aiming to avoid incidents that could worsen tensions and widen the war in Ukraine, the collision showed how closely their armed forces are intersecting on the margins of the conflict zone as Washington continues providing support for Ukraine and Moscow warns other nations against taking a bigger role. The U.S. has provided Kyiv more than $30 billion in military aid and equipment, as well as intelligence.
Write to James Marson at james.marson@wsj.com
Poland Lays Out Plans to Send MiG-29 Fighters to Ukraine - WSJ