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Thank you!US may help Ukraine strike Crimea - NYT report
US officials believe that assisting Ukrainian operations in Crimea may be worth it as the US seeks to strengthen Kyiv’s position in future negotiations.
By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
Published: JANUARY 19, 2023 01:31
Several anonymous US officials told the New York Times that they are growing more comfortable with the idea of helping Ukraine advance an attack on the Russian-occupied Crimean Peninsula on Wednesday.
The Crimean Peninsula, which has been under Russian control since its annexation in 2014, has become further integrated into Russia’s state infrastructure since Russia invaded Ukraine in early 2022. While the US has maintained that Crimea is still part of Ukraine, they have hesitated to become too involved in the Crimean battlefield.
According to the officials, fears that Russia would retaliate using tactical nuclear weapons have been assuaged, meaning the risk of assisting Ukrainian operations in Crimea may be worth it as the US seeks to strengthen Kyiv’s position in any future negotiations.
What is so important about Crimea?
Situated between the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov, Crimea is home to roughly 2.4 million inhabitants – including around 70,000 Russian troops.
Illegally annexed in 2014, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky vowed in August to restore Ukrainian rule over Russia-annexed Crimea, a move that he said would help re-establish "world law and order."
"It all began with Crimea, and it will end with Crimea," Zelensky said in an address at the time.
Russia has shown no sign of abandoning Crimea, home to its Black Sea fleet, and has used the peninsula as a platform to launch missile strikes on Ukrainian targets. Major Russian bank Sberbank, which has faced tremendous international sanctions since the war began, announced Wednesday that they began operations in occupied Crimea.
American officials said they are discussing sending HIMARS rocket systems and Bradley fighting vehicles to Ukrainian forces so they can fight for control of the Crimean bridge – a critical supply route for Russia’s war effort.
“Ukraine could use Bradleys to move forces down major roads, such as the M14, which connects Kherson, Melitopol and Mariupol,” Seth G. Jones, a senior vice president at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told The Times.
“Any Ukrainian infantry advancing through these areas would face significant fire from Russian positions, and Bradleys offer helpful firepower and protection for troops,” Jones added.
US may help Ukraine strike Crimea - NYT report
US officials believe that assisting Ukrainian operations in Crimea may be worth it as Washington seeks to strengthen Kyiv’s position in future negotiations.www.jpost.com
Well the underlying report that the WSJ is basing this on (linked below) listing 2000 Leopard 2 Tanks in NATO is correct (not all operational - and many in storage) but this report also shows the TOTAL - of EVERY Leopard 2 Tank in NATO totals 2,343! - so for NATO to send 2000 - NATO would only have 342 remaining!Sorry, article is behind a paywall, so this is all I can see. At this rate, won't be any Ukraine left by the time someone in the west actually sends a couple of the "wonder weapon main battle tanks" to them.
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Berlin Won’t Allow Exports of German Tanks to Ukraine Unless U.S. Sends Its Own
North Atlantic Treaty Organization allies have over 2,000 German-made Leopard tanks
By Bojan Pancevski
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Updated Jan. 18, 2023 7:45 pm ET
BERLIN—Germany won’t allow allies to ship German-made tanks to Ukraine to help its defense against Russia nor send its own systems unless the U.S. agrees to send American-made battle tanks, senior German officials said on Wednesday.
North Atlantic Treaty Organization allies have over 2,000 German-made Leopard tanks, considered to be among the most sophisticated in the world, according to the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies.
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However, I did track this down..... wait-n-see
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Germany: No Leopard tanks to Kiev unless US agrees to send its Abrams
By Al Mayadeen English
Source: Wall Street Journal
18 Jan 23:41
WSJ reports that Berlin will not allow sending German-made tanks from allied countries to Ukraine until Washington approves sending US-made Abrams main battle tanks.
Berlin will not allow allies to send German-made tanks to Kiev unless Washington agrees to ship to Ukraine US-made tanks, a German senior official stated on Wednesday according to The Wall Street Journal.
The International Institute for Strategic Studies reported that NATO countries have more than 2,000 German-made Leopard tanks, which are considered to be one of the most advanced battle tanks currently in the world.
Earlier, several European countries announced readiness to provide Ukraine with German-made battle tanks if Berlin approves it.
Among these countries are Finland, Denmark, and Poland, while the UK said it would ship some 14 Challenger 2 battle tanks and an older version of the advanced Leopard.
The UK became the first country to announce plans for the delivery of heavy battle tanks to Kiev. The supply of the Challenger 2 tanks and additional artillery systems are intended to assist Ukrainian forces "push back the Russian troops," said British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak.
“One can’t differentiate between direct exports (of German-made tanks) and exports by third countries,” a German official said on Wednesday, the media outlet reported.
Sending advanced, complex military equipment to Ukraine would be considered as a major escalation by the West in its arming of Kiev, which Germany has repeatedly warned against due to the increased risk of causing a direct clash between NATO and Russia, noted the news site.
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz announced earlier today that Berlin is “strategically interlocked” with its allies and partners regarding the decisions on how to provide support to Ukraine, which also includes tanks.
According to the WSJ, a meeting between representatives of 50 countries supporting Ukraine, known as the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, is planned to take place on Friday at the American Ramstein Air Base in Germany, where they will discuss a new batch of military aid to Ukraine.
According to informed diplomats from several NATO states, the approval to send German-made Leopard tanks from third countries will be one of the main topics of the meeting.
Despite all public discussions regarding sending German tanks to Ukraine, officials from Berlin said no official requests have been submitted so far, noting that when such requests come through, the government would respond quickly, adding that the approval period might span between a few days and a few weeks.
A senior European official, however, stated that it is unlikely that Germany will make a decision in the upcoming meeting on Friday to allow sending the Leopard tanks to Kiev.
US refusal to send its own main battle tanks making Scholz reluctant
Berlin's government is currently divided on the matter, the news site added.
Parties in the Chancellor's coalition, including the Free Democrats and the Green Party, are in favor of sending the tanks to Kiev, while his left-leaning party, the Social Democrats, have been hesitant on the decision, especially since Washington is rejecting to send its Abrams main battle tanks.
In April last year, Scholz suggested that sending any Western tanks to Ukraine would increase the risk of a nuclear war between NATO and Russia.
However, according to two of his aides, as per the WSJ, his concerns have calmed as a group of global powers, including close allies to Moscow, such as China's President Xi Jinping, have denounced threats of using nuclear arms in Ukraine.
Yet, the German Chancellor remains wary, the news site added.
Scholz responded to a question addressed to him during the World Economic Forum in Davos earlier today regarding his reluctance to send Leopard battle tanks to Ukraine, stressing that he was worried that the war in Ukraine could become a global conflict.
“The Ukrainians can rely on our support in their courageous fight but it is also clear that we want to avoid this becoming a war between Russia and NATO,” he said.
Earlier today, citing industry sources, the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) reported that there is a possibility that Germany may ship 10-15 Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine this year.
This comes after the chief executive of German defense group Rheinmetall, Armin Papperger, told Germany's Bild am Sonntag that even though his firm houses 22 Leopard 2 tanks, and 88 Leopard 1 tanks, it would still take about a year to ship them to Ukraine.
The German army has already given up most of its Leopard tanks of older designs and exported them to Turkey, Greece, and Denmark, among other clients. The army still possesses around 300 modern versions, but they have no plans of selling them. The army reportedly refused to provide additional details on the strengths, and equipment of associations, or units.
Olena Zelensky in Davos says: 'how can the world achieve climate neutrality if it can't stop Russi@n aggression.'
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Their tweets (messenges) are unhinged, there is something deeply wrong with this couple/family.
Over the last week or so, I've been noticing a slight shift in reporting by MSM and am thinking everyone is beginning to think the same thing. While at the same time, supporting Ukraine. That is political double speak. But when it starts, something is up.With Arestovich (a key adviser to Zelensky and part of the inner circle) quitting / being removed brings to mind the old saying about: like rats abandoning a sinking ship!
If nothing else Arestovich is a politicians politician - especially in Ukraine where it can be (and is) a real Life or Death occupation. Normally an action like his - especially attacking Zelensky for his policies would be a fast death sentence! That he is still above ground implies that he must have the support of a number of other key officials. Hard to read the tea leaves (even with google translate) but this points to likely a split within the ruling circles in Ukraine.
So the question is WHY - this war and related $$$$ has been VERY VERY good for this ruling circle (of the most corrupt nation in Europe). Could it be that the information they have (not the PR SPIN) shows that this war is about over for Ukraine?
After Millions displaced, hundreds of thousands dead, massive destruction and likely the loss of half the country the remaining population may not be too happy with their Actor President and his team - kind of like the Italian treatment of Mussolini ( and his mistress Clara Petacci) at the end of WW2 - especially when the facts come out that this could have ended in April. Or more - never need to start.
Politicians - like RATS know when to abandon a sinking ship
BTW - opted to not post a photo of how this ended for Mussolini - you can look it up - GRAPHIC
Not a good time to reside in Lviv.Instead of de-escalating, the controlling devils are showing their cards as pushing for world war. Russia is now sanctioned to do whatever they have to for survival. There are no more red lines that need to be crossed. The time for Russia (and China and Venezuela and Mexico) to strike the US is now prime. The US cannot mobilize quickly but there are still a few problems they can cause.
Asymmetric warfare is the start. Sabotage of infrastructure. Cripple any remnants of a producing economy with terror strikes. Pit the people against their government to cause distrust, then rebellion. All this has been going on for 60 years subtly but now the action will become more overt.
The action in Ukraine will be forced into hyperdrive to preclude new weapons systems arrival and worse loss of fighting forces. This would not be a good time to take a job as a truck driver or train engineer in Poland/ Hungary /Romania/ Ukraine. Targeting of every shipment coming in is expected.
Zelensky refuses to negotiate with Putin because he is not sure that the Russian president is alive
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not a good time to live anywhere today, actually.Not a good time to reside in Lviv.
As an aside - Falling window syndrome could be by Western origin. Same with falling helicopters.
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not a good time to live anywhere today, actually.
at least here, it is the breadbasket of the world. and i have a deep basement.
10 eggs today, $1.90.
Well - he sure was alive back in March / April when Zelensky killed a proposal that only needed final a approval that would have ended this prior to 100,000+ deaths - Bottom line the US will NOT allow this to end - just the latest - and not even up to Ukraine's normally much more polished PR / Talking points - you would think they lost their top PR guy?Zelensky refuses to negotiate with Putin because he is not sure that the Russian president is alive
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He's been mentored and installed by the same kind of people...Sure explains the military planning done by this mental genius.
A bit of information:
Damage Control
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Pantsir systems being placed, one in a high-rise in central Moscow and one in the country's Ministry of Defence. View: https://twitter.com/WarInUkraineYet/status/1616103162041241600
"Northwest Montana - Eight dozen farm eggs $24.
7.62x51 Nato $0.89 - if available + shipping. ;-)
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The proposed package of military assistance to be provided to Ukraine: 14 Challenger 2 tanks 100 modern rockets (?) 30 SPG AS90 200 BMP/BTR 200 Senator armored vehicles 1 NASAMS air defense battery 14 tanks Leopard 2 100 BMP Bradley 55 armored vehicles 100 BTR M113 18 self-propelled...t.me
The proposed package of military assistance to be provided to Ukraine:
14 Challenger 2 tanks
100 modern rockets (?)
30 SPG AS90
200 BMP/BTR
200 Senator armored vehicles
1 NASAMS air defense battery
14 tanks Leopard 2
100 BMP Bradley
55 armored vehicles
100 BTR M113
18 self-propelled guns M109А6
250 BTR M1117
138 HMMWV armored vehicles
100 Stryker APC
GLSDB
36 105mm howitzers
1 Patriot Air Defense/O Battery
6 Nasams air defense batteries
18 HIMARS
40(?) AMX-10RC wheeled tanks
(?) Bastion armored cars
40 Marder BMP
1 Patriot AA/O Battery
3 Iris-T air defense batteries + 3 TRML-4D radars
2 TRML-4D radar
16 Zuzana-2 SPG
120 T-72 tank
1 Patriot AA/O Battery
50 CV-90 BMP
12 Archer SPG
1 AA/O SAMP/T Battery
26-30 SAU Dana-M2
10+ howitzers 155mm FH70
10+ howitzers 122mm D30
? SAU Caesar (?)
TPTB in Moscow in doing this are admitting that this mess is getting out of their control.
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Pantsir systems being placed, one in a high-rise in central Moscow and one in the country's Ministry of Defence. View: https://twitter.com/WarInUkraineYet/status/1616103162041241600
The mixed bag of MBTs look more like IMHO live fire service trials and "signaling" than say 500 M1A1s pulled from US storage would look like.damn
that is definitely gonna help, or ... cause something else...
they know . . .TPTB in Moscow in doing this are admitting that this mess is getting out of their control.
Didn't Ukraine start out with 2000 tanks . . . and then captured a bunch of Russian tanks?
And yet somehow 50 more tanks are going to turn the tide?
Kind of makes you wonder.
TPTB in Moscow in doing this are admitting that this mess is getting out of their control.
Correct - likely the best they will get with the German Leopard 2 (older 2A4) Tanks is around 200 - mainly from NATO nations that no longer need / use them - like Finland which has 100 of this model In Storage.Come on man, stop harshing muh narrative.
Besides, it looks like it is 148 tanks.
He be owned by these people, lock,stock,& barrel. Does what he's told. That's all, folks.He's been mentored and installed by the same kind of people...
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Bro........................you get this?BREAKING: The US asks its forces stationed in South Korea to supply equipment to Ukraine
View: https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1615999586417446914?t=tWb2CqCcsLSKBjKziC9Piw&s=19