Misc UNCONFIRMED: GrandJury Has Already Returned A "True Bill Of Indictment" On AT LEAST ONE CHARGE AGAINST FORMER PRESIDENT #TRUMP

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For the folks thumbing me down, ignore the /barf of this column and think about what it's saying here (plus I didn't write this lol!)

Well ain't this interesting from MSN?

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President Biden Should Immediately Offer Trump an Unconditional Pardon | Opinion​

Opinion by Nicholas Creel - 8h ago

We in the general public still know very little about what prompted the search of former President Donald Trump's home at Mar-a-Largo. So far, only the search warrant and a list of items seized have been publicly released, while the affidavit that convinced a magistrate to issue the warrant is still under seal. But given how unprecedented this search was, we must assume that President Trump is facing a likely indictment, perhaps for numerous felonies, by the very administration that he is expected to face off against in the 2024 election.

To head off the disaster of being criminally prosecuted by his political opponent, President Joe Biden should offer Trump an unconditional pardon immediately—and announce that he will not seek reelection.
Most Democrats will no doubt reject this idea out of hand. I myself find the thought of pardoning Trump for crimes most anyone else would do serious prison time for to be appalling. And yet, should President Biden use the power of his presidency to preemptively pardon Trump, this would stave off the potential violence of a Trump indictment without putting Trump above the law; after all, presidents pardon people all the time. It doesn't erase the fact of their guilt.
Moreover, while we tend to embrace a retributive form of justice here in the United States, an equally valid approach focuses instead on restoration. Rather than trying to get an eye for an eye, we can instead seek solutions that leave us all better off in the wake of a wrongdoing.

Given the well-justified fear of societal violence that could come on the heels of an indictment of President Trump, I genuinely can't fathom how we as a society would not be best served by a pardon that would prevent any such upheaval.

Even if Trump truly committed some of the most serious crimes possible under the Espionage Act, there is no reality where the vast majority of his supporters will see his prosecution as anything other than a partisan witch-hunt. Democrats, in insisting he be charged and tried, would be sacrificing what's undoubtedly in the best interest of the nation as a whole for the satisfaction of seeing Trump indicted.

A caveat to this modest proposal is that pardons must be accepted by those they are offered to; they cannot be unilaterally imposed by the President against the will of the recipient. Given that the Supreme Court itself once held that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt, one could easily envision Trump rejecting a preemptive pardon on this basis alone.

Yet, given Trump's penchant for telling his own truth and his past musing of issuing a self-pardon, there is every chance he would accept a pardon when the alternative might well be a long, grueling, expensive, and high stakes criminal trial.

But the pardon is not enough. President Biden must accompany his offer of a pardon with an announcement that he will not seek a second term. President Biden stepping aside after his term ends is already something the vast majority of the public wants, even within the Democratic Party. But doing so would also immediately hollow out any and all accusations that Biden offering Trump a pardon is a calculated political maneuver to benefit himself.

The President should stipulate that while the pardon he's offering Trump is unconditional, he nevertheless hopes that his predecessor will follow suit in ending his pursuit of any political office, instead choosing to make way for new leadership in the country—something majorities in both parties agree is necessary.

This would allow President Biden to truly become the transitional statesman he campaigned as in 2020. It might also make him one of the best presidents of the modern era.
 
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KFhunter said:
Well ain't this interesting from MSN?

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President Biden Should Immediately Offer Trump an Unconditional Pardon | Opinion​

Opinion by Nicholas Creel - 8h ago

We in the general public still know very little about what prompted the search of former President Donald Trump's home at Mar-a-Largo. So far, only the search warrant and a list of items seized have been publicly released, while the affidavit that convinced a magistrate to issue the warrant is still under seal. But given how unprecedented this search was, we must assume that President Trump is facing a likely indictment, perhaps for numerous felonies, by the very administration that he is expected to face off against in the 2024 election.

To head off the disaster of being criminally prosecuted by his political opponent, President Joe Biden should offer Trump an unconditional pardon immediately—and announce that he will not seek reelection.
Most Democrats will no doubt reject this idea out of hand. I myself find the thought of pardoning Trump for crimes most anyone else would do serious prison time for to be appalling. And yet, should President Biden use the power of his presidency to preemptively pardon Trump, this would stave off the potential violence of a Trump indictment without putting Trump above the law; after all, presidents pardon people all the time. It doesn't erase the fact of their guilt.
Moreover, while we tend to embrace a retributive form of justice here in the United States, an equally valid approach focuses instead on restoration. Rather than trying to get an eye for an eye, we can instead seek solutions that leave us all better off in the wake of a wrongdoing.

Given the well-justified fear of societal violence that could come on the heels of an indictment of President Trump, I genuinely can't fathom how we as a society would not be best served by a pardon that would prevent any such upheaval.

Even if Trump truly committed some of the most serious crimes possible under the Espionage Act, there is no reality where the vast majority of his supporters will see his prosecution as anything other than a partisan witch-hunt. Democrats, in insisting he be charged and tried, would be sacrificing what's undoubtedly in the best interest of the nation as a whole for the satisfaction of seeing Trump indicted.

A caveat to this modest proposal is that pardons must be accepted by those they are offered to; they cannot be unilaterally imposed by the President against the will of the recipient. Given that the Supreme Court itself once held that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt, one could easily envision Trump rejecting a preemptive pardon on this basis alone.

Yet, given Trump's penchant for telling his own truth and his past musing of issuing a self-pardon, there is every chance he would accept a pardon when the alternative might well be a long, grueling, expensive, and high stakes criminal trial.

But the pardon is not enough. President Biden must accompany his offer of a pardon with an announcement that he will not seek a second term. President Biden stepping aside after his term ends is already something the vast majority of the public wants, even within the Democratic Party. But doing so would also immediately hollow out any and all accusations that Biden offering Trump a pardon is a calculated political maneuver to benefit himself.

The President should stipulate that while the pardon he's offering Trump is unconditional, he nevertheless hopes that his predecessor will follow suit in ending his pursuit of any political office, instead choosing to make way for new leadership in the country—something majorities in both parties agree is necessary.

This would allow President Biden to truly become the transitional statesman he campaigned as in 2020. It might also make him one of the best presidents of the modern era.
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Talk about a "Hail Mary" move. That this has gotten run up the flag pole to see if anyone salutes it is very telling as to the number of chickens running around headless inside the Beltway at the moment....
 
TheSearcher

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KFhunter said:
For the folks thumbing me down, ignore the /barf of this column and think about what it's saying here

Well ain't this interesting from MSN?

MSN

www.msn.com

President Biden Should Immediately Offer Trump an Unconditional Pardon | Opinion​

Opinion by Nicholas Creel - 8h ago

We in the general public still know very little about what prompted the search of former President Donald Trump's home at Mar-a-Largo. So far, only the search warrant and a list of items seized have been publicly released, while the affidavit that convinced a magistrate to issue the warrant is still under seal. But given how unprecedented this search was, we must assume that President Trump is facing a likely indictment, perhaps for numerous felonies, by the very administration that he is expected to face off against in the 2024 election.

To head off the disaster of being criminally prosecuted by his political opponent, President Joe Biden should offer Trump an unconditional pardon immediately—and announce that he will not seek reelection.
Most Democrats will no doubt reject this idea out of hand. I myself find the thought of pardoning Trump for crimes most anyone else would do serious prison time for to be appalling. And yet, should President Biden use the power of his presidency to preemptively pardon Trump, this would stave off the potential violence of a Trump indictment without putting Trump above the law; after all, presidents pardon people all the time. It doesn't erase the fact of their guilt.
Moreover, while we tend to embrace a retributive form of justice here in the United States, an equally valid approach focuses instead on restoration. Rather than trying to get an eye for an eye, we can instead seek solutions that leave us all better off in the wake of a wrongdoing.

Given the well-justified fear of societal violence that could come on the heels of an indictment of President Trump, I genuinely can't fathom how we as a society would not be best served by a pardon that would prevent any such upheaval.

Even if Trump truly committed some of the most serious crimes possible under the Espionage Act, there is no reality where the vast majority of his supporters will see his prosecution as anything other than a partisan witch-hunt. Democrats, in insisting he be charged and tried, would be sacrificing what's undoubtedly in the best interest of the nation as a whole for the satisfaction of seeing Trump indicted.

A caveat to this modest proposal is that pardons must be accepted by those they are offered to; they cannot be unilaterally imposed by the President against the will of the recipient. Given that the Supreme Court itself once held that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt, one could easily envision Trump rejecting a preemptive pardon on this basis alone.

Yet, given Trump's penchant for telling his own truth and his past musing of issuing a self-pardon, there is every chance he would accept a pardon when the alternative might well be a long, grueling, expensive, and high stakes criminal trial.

But the pardon is not enough. President Biden must accompany his offer of a pardon with an announcement that he will not seek a second term. President Biden stepping aside after his term ends is already something the vast majority of the public wants, even within the Democratic Party. But doing so would also immediately hollow out any and all accusations that Biden offering Trump a pardon is a calculated political maneuver to benefit himself.

The President should stipulate that while the pardon he's offering Trump is unconditional, he nevertheless hopes that his predecessor will follow suit in ending his pursuit of any political office, instead choosing to make way for new leadership in the country—something majorities in both parties agree is necessary.

This would allow President Biden to truly become the transitional statesman he campaigned as in 2020. It might also make him one of the best presidents of the modern era.
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Nothing. To. Pardon. Him. For. :mad:
 
jward

jward

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EMICT said:
I purchased a couple of 375FPS crossbows and bolts recently just to alleviate the "LOUD" part of this equation. Loud is always a 'backup'.
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We have a few threads and how-to videos on how to make them, as well.
..one simple, but functional model was even simple nuff for the likes of me to make, tho all i've skewered thus far is haybails n thistle.
 
TheSearcher

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KFhunter said:
Does. that. really. matter. when ROL no longer exists?
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That they were desperate enough to make such a ludicrous offer, it seems to still be stumbling block for them. If this chain of events was well thought out and presented low risks, they would not have tried such an overture.
 
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jward said:
https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto
https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto
https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto
https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto

https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto
Chuck Callesto
@ChuckCallesto

BREAKING REPORT: DOJ Says Passports Belonging to Trump Seized by FBI in Mar-a-Lago Raid Have Been Returned...
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LOL. The passports that the FBI said they didn't take? Those passports? The media did their usual and tried to make it seem the President was crazy, but oops, that's a bust.
 
Doomer Doug

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Sheesh. It looks to moi itvis now dawning on the trump haters that they are like that Godzilla movie traier where the guy is fishing and he hooks Godzilla.
All you see is a pair of red eyes chasing him as the dock he is running on breaks apart after him.
Now they think they can control the maga mob, but they can't, not even close.
Right now we are in the seething rage/ ice cold waiting for a damn fool dc indictment, or shoot him or whatever idiocy they plan.
God help us if ANYTHING happens to Trump. The violence will be uncontrollable.
 
TheSearcher

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Doomer Doug said:
Sheesh. It looks to moi itvis now dawning on the trump haters that they are like that Godzilla movie traier where the guy is fishing and he hooks Godzilla.
All you see is a pair of red eyes chasing him as the dock he is running on breaks apart after him.
Now they think they can control the maga mob, but they can't, not even close.
Right now we are in the seething rage/ ice cold waiting for a damn fool dc indictment, or shoot him or whatever idiocy they plan.
God help us if ANYTHING happens to Trump. The violence will be uncontrollable.
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In all MY life, I've never considered us in more dire domestic danger. This is the nuttiest shit I've ever seen.
 
Doomer Doug

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jward said:
https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto
https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto
https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto
https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto

https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto
Chuck Callesto
@ChuckCallesto

BREAKING REPORT: DOJ Says Passports Belonging to Trump Seized by FBI in Mar-a-Lago Raid Have Been Returned...
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TheSearcher said:
LOL. The passports that the FBI said they didn't take? Those passports? The media did their usual and tried to make it seem the President was crazy, but oops, that's a bust.
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Now, now Searcher AG Garand asked us to be nice to the fbi. . )
 
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Doomer Doug said:
Sheesh. It looks to moi itvis now dawning on the trump haters that they are like that Godzilla movie traier where the guy is fishing and he hooks Godzilla.
All you see is a pair of red eyes chasing him as the dock he is running on breaks apart after him.
Now they think they can control the maga mob, but they can't, not even close.
Right now we are in the seething rage/ ice cold waiting for a damn fool dc indictment, or shoot him or whatever idiocy they plan.
God help us if ANYTHING happens to Trump. The violence will be uncontrollable.
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Remember Operation Valkyrie/Unternehmen Walküre was built upon a repurposed CoG plan.....just saying......
 
Squib

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Doomer Doug said:
Sheesh. It looks to moi itvis now dawning on the trump haters that they are like that Godzilla movie traier where the guy is fishing and he hooks Godzilla.
All you see is a pair of red eyes chasing him as the dock he is running on breaks apart after him.
Now they think they can control the maga mob, but they can't, not even close.
Right now we are in the seething rage/ ice cold waiting for a damn fool dc indictment, or shoot him or whatever idiocy they plan.
God help us if ANYTHING happens to Trump. The violence will be uncontrollable.
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I’ll give you an Amen on that!
 
et2

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Wiley said:
This needs to be posted everywhere: The democrats are going to seriously regret this because they have just given normal Americans the fuel to elect people that will finally go after the crooked damnable democrats like pelosi, clinton, obammy, schumer, schiff, fartswell, etc...

They may get Trump but we can finally get all of them, especially with people like Lauren Boebert already in office. It will be a bloodbath of Biblical proportions to finally give the democrats what they deserve.
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Did you say … elect? :whistle:
 
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1) Pardons can be pre-emptive, meaning LONG BEFORE even a trial or indictment the putative "Defendant" can be pardoned and further prosecution must stop.
2) That this was run up the pole (As HC said) is VERY INTERESTING!! It suggests that internal polling/internal Intel suggests we're a LOT CLOSER to "LOUD" than I or anyone else CREDIBLY puts the (F/Z)USA.
 
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night driver said:
1) Pardons can be pre-emptive, meaning LONG BEFORE even a trial or indictment the putative "Defendant" can be pardoned and further prosecution must stop.
2) That this was run up the pole (As HC said) is VERY INTERESTING!! It suggests that internal polling/internal Intel suggests we're a LOT CLOSER to "LOUD" than I or anyone else CREDIBLY puts the (F/Z)USA.
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If the DS wanted to start a fire, I think they may have figured out they have poured the acceleratant on their collective crotch.
 
Buick Electra

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Cowgirl4christ said:
Oh I actually do. I always tell him, “I told you and you didn’t listen”…. pretty much about everything lol. But, this stuff has him extremely concerned… which causes me to have panic attacks.
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You and he BOTH need to be listening to the X22 Report (Sun-Fri nights - PART B - Usually up by 7:00 pm).

Episode 2849B soothed my soul!!

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jward

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What would happen if, instead of giving them the "weapons free" scenerio and cover for murdering us, we instead gave them a tianamen square or kent state non-violent scenario, and told em in front of god and the world, c'mon, you want me dead, bring it.
I wonder, given how hard they still work to dot their i's and cross their t's, if world opinion and optics matter to them, even now. Otherwise, why not just shoot us coz we look smart. or scornful, in my case :: shrug ::
 
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night driver said:
1) Pardons can be pre-emptive, meaning LONG BEFORE even a trial or indictment the putative "Defendant" can be pardoned and further prosecution must stop.
2) That this was run up the pole (As HC said) is VERY INTERESTING!! It suggests that internal polling/internal Intel suggests we're a LOT CLOSER to "LOUD" than I or anyone else CREDIBLY puts the (F/Z)USA.
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Yes, and "LOUD" can be "very selective" in these circumstances to get a desired effect by any of the currently involved parties....All of them have the problem that they have to try to survive what comes after that. Some of them have a better chance of it than others or combinations of them since the desired effect starts interacting with all the other ripples in that big pond immediately.
 
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Operation Valkyrie - Wikipedia

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Operation Valkyrie​



For the plot to assassinate Hitler, see 20 July plot. For the 2008 film based on this plot, see Valkyrie (film). For the 2004 film based on this plot, see Operation Valkyrie (film).

The Wolfsschanze after the bomb explosion
Operation Valkyrie (German: Unternehmen Walküre) was a German World War II emergency continuity of government operations plan issued to the Territorial Reserve Army of Germany to execute and implement in the event of a general breakdown in civil order of the nation. Failure of the government to maintain control of civil affairs might have been caused by the Allied bombing of German cities, or uprising of the millions of foreign forced labourers working in German factories.

German Army (Heer) officers, General Friedrich Olbricht, Major General Henning von Tresckow and Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg modified the plan with the intention of using it to take control of German cities, disarm the SS, and arrest the Nazi leadership once Hitler had been assassinated in the 20 July plot. Hitler's death (as opposed to his arrest) was required to free German soldiers from their oath of loyalty to him (Reichswehreid). After lengthy preparation, the plot was activated in 1944 but failed.
 
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Wildweasel

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Henry Bowman said:
Bingo
As always you are correct again sir.

Now remember kids, the ministry of propaganda is what is called a "Soft Target" .
Hard for the Communist/ Globalists to get the word out if those who spew their shit are too scared to say a word.
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People won't keep watching the evening news when it's full of nothing but stories about news anchors turning up dead being read by the new news anchor of the day.

I heard that from someone over July 4th and was amazed at the simplicity of the concept. Silence the voice of the regime and wage an underground media campaign similar to the fax machines of the Soviet collapse using blanket emails, texts and robo-calls is a real possibility.
 
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wintery_storm said:
Just think of all of decent future candidates that would have run for office one day but now have decided to back down after seeing what is happening to Trump!

What would every one of you do if the IRS starts coming after each of you? Biden is looking for more money to spend.
He wants Trumps supporters. He is on a Ego trip and he is Evil like the rest of the lot.

Yes, Trump has spent millions on Lawsuits, but as trump has said they are coming after the regular people. None of us can fight a legal battle with government.

I feel like this present government is pushing people harder and harder for a reason. And I do believe they want to unhinge Trump supporters.

This is not a free Country. I wonder if it will ever be free again.

Would I ever leave this Country? Yes only if I had to but I would go. I won't say where I am going but it would be my great grandmother home Country.
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I am gonna bet that If America falls there will be no place better to go.
 
Quiet Man

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So, in all this, still ZIP/NADA on the numerous Biden Crime Family horrors and treason? Me thinks the veil has completely slipped from the eyes of Lady Justice.

Yep, the Rule of Law has died in the US of A. It will not come back on its own. We will have to bring it back; lawfully; justly; morally.

Yes, the enemies of humanity must be exposed for their crimes against us, all of them, and appropriate measures taken. This cannot be allowed to happen to future generations after the system fails this time.
 
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MinnesotaSmith

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jward said:
Chuck Callesto
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BREAKING REPORT: Mike Davis, former clerk for Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch – Trump Has Constitutional Authority to Declassify ‘Anything He Wants’...


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FBI is not in possession of Trump’s passports following raid at his Florida home, says DOJ official - CBS
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Trump probably has a couple of other country's passports; Costa Rica and the like, $20K and it's yours, if you're not a huge real criminal (Osama bin Laden or the like).
 
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