WAR China Signals a Military Response to a Taiwan Visit by Pelosi

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Pelosi muddies the waters of the Taiwan Strait

US military worries about a retaliatory incident in the South China Sea if she persists with Taiwan visit plan
by James Carden July 23, 2022



On Tuesday, the Financial Times published the potentially explosive news that US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, second-in-line to the presidency behind Vice President Kamala Harris, plans to visit Taiwan next month. The British report cited unnamed sources. Pelosi made no announcement.

The news blindsided the Washington foreign policy world and added another item to a growing list of contentious issues between Washington and Beijing – including, not least, US President Biden’s recent gaffe regarding his readiness to “defend Taiwan.”
“This is a really lousy idea,” said a former top US diplomat. In view of the speaker’s constitutional position in the presidential succession a visit would be “clearly out of line with the Shanghai Communique” of 1972, which established the One China policy.

In a conversation with reporters July 21, President Biden said the rumored trip was “not a good idea,” adding, “The military thinks it’s not a good idea.”
Signals from the Biden Administration on China policy have been confusing and sometimes confrontational.
In April, on a trip to the Solomon Islands, a high-ranking US State Department official, Daniel Kritenbrink, who currently serves as assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific Affairs, refused to rule out military action should China be allowed to establish military bases there.

In May, the State Department (temporarily) changed the wording of the One China policy on the Department’s website. Three weeks later the changes were reversed.
Meanwhile, hawkish USS Senators Lindsey Graham and Robert Menendez have introduced a bill titled the Taiwan Policy Act 2022, which is slowly making its way toward a full vote in the Senate. An accompanying bill was introduced by Congressman Mike Gallagher in the Hous.

According to Menendez, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, the legislation

represents a seminal statement of the United States’ absolute commitment to stand with Taiwan and all those who share our interests and our values in the Indo-Pacific in the face of Beijing’s military, economic, and diplomatic threats and bullying. The United States and our partners have a critical window of opportunity to reinvigorate our diplomatic strategy to assure cross-Strait stability and security and to work with Taipei to modernize their military.
The suggestion of a Pelosi trip could not have come at a worse time and is receiving public push-back from the White House and the Pentagon. More quietly, a source close to the administration told Asia Times that the Biden NSC was “deeply displeased” to have been blindsided by the speaker’s announcement, particularly since Pelosi was aware that the Biden’s team had been working on trying to arrange a call between Biden and Chinese president Xi – their first since March.
China was swift to react. “If the US insists on going its own way, China will take forceful measures to resolutely respond and counter it, and we will do what we say,” said Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin.

Some in the China policy community in Washington have expressed concern that the vehemence of the response to Pelosi’s planned trip by the ministry leaves China little choice but to “do something” should the trip take place. Options open to the Chinese include increased overflights of the Taiwan Straits or, more dramatically, the possibility of a PLA air force escort of Pelosi’s aircraft.
Quincy Institute East Asia scholar Michael Swaine spoke for many when he said on Wednesday, “Pelosi visiting Taiwan is such a bad idea it’s hard to know where to begin in criticizing it. She is a senior member of the United States government. There is no upside to such a visit and only downsides.”

But, as I was recently reminded by a venerable Washington China hand, Pelosi is a China hawk of long standing. Recall the incident some thirty years ago, in September 1991, when Pelosi, a then up-and-coming Democratic backbencher, made a highly publicized visit to Tiananmen Square, site of the 1989 pro-democracy protests that took the lives of hundreds of protestors.

Pelosi’s unilateral decision to visit Taipei seems to be making a bad situation with China even worse.
Veteran China watcher Bonnie Glaser, head of the German Marshall Fund’s Asia program, told reporters that the military’s concerns stemmed from the risk of an incident in the South China Sea.
“That suggests the US military sees something unusual in how the Chinese are operating and how they are responding to US operations,” she said. “Some of the Chinese reactions to US FONOPs [freedom of navigation operations] in the South China Sea have been unusually aggressive.”

Pelosi muddies the waters of the Taiwan Strait
 

Granny Franny

Senior Member
It sounds like China has taken Russia's approach to dealing with the US administration - just threaten them and they back down. Part of me says to call the bluff. From a national security perspective, we look very weak and more like a declining nation than the leader of the free world right now.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
And patriotic Ukranian freedom fighters are busily selling their freely gifted first line Western military weapons including man portable antiaircraft missiles onto the international arms market.

Wonderful ...

Stingers are not that hard to learn to use.....
 

blindhog

Flats Captain
And patriotic Ukranian freedom fighters are busily selling their freely gifted first line Western military weapons including man portable antiaircraft missiles onto the international arms market.

Wonderful ...

Stingers are not that hard to learn to use.....

Well........at least it will make the WW3 battlefields somewhat interesting.......
 

vector7

Dot Collector
China has issued stark private warnings to the Biden administration about a possible trip to Taiwan in August by U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
View: https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1551299942131544064?s=20&t=8QF-YJDnW2OMGwC7CKdcqg


The most dangerous words were spoken tonight by #Biden he was told by the #UnitedStates #military that a member of the free worlds #government #PELOSI (whore yes but still) cant be allowed to go to #Taiwan THEIR STOCKS MUST BE SHORTED & ALL TECH COMPANIES MUST RELOCATE #ASAP

August best time for war in tawain and these gov officials all commies. That is why they want to take our guns. Lots of people fail to remember history.
RT 2min
View: https://twitter.com/labeltrader1122/status/1549898857273626624?s=20&t=8QF-YJDnW2OMGwC7CKdcqg
 

Meadowlark

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Pelosi says military afraid China will shoot down plane over Taiwan
Reports say US house speaker could visit Taiwan in August

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By Keoni Everington, Taiwan News, Staff Writer
2022/07/22 11:22



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TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Thursday (July 21) refused to confirm or deny a reported trip to Taiwan, but indicated the U.S. military was concerned that her plane "would get shot down" by Chinese forces as it neared Taiwan airspace.

The Financial Times on Tuesday (July 19) cited six sources saying Pelosi will head a delegation that will visit Taiwan in August. When asked on Wednesday (July 20) by the media at Joint Base Andrews in Maryland to comment on Pelosi's trip to Taiwan, Biden said, "Well, I think that the military thinks it’s not a good idea right now," reported AP.

At Pelosi's weekly press conference on Thursday, a reporter asked her to respond to Biden's comment that the military does not believe it is a good idea to visit Taiwan at this time and whether that concern would deter her from visiting the country. Pelosi responded by emphasizing that she never discusses her travel plans in advance as it is a "security issue" and quipped, "You never even hear me say if I'm going to London."

When asked what the U.S. can do to deter China from attacking Taiwan, Pelosi laughed and said that it is a "very major issue" and stressed that it is important to show support for Taiwan. She added, "None of us have ever said that we are for independence when it comes to Taiwan. That's up to Taiwan to decide."

Addressing military concerns over her potential trip to Taiwan, Pelosi said, "I think what the president was saying is maybe the military was afraid our plane would get shot down, or something like that, by the Chinese." She then qualified her answer by saying, "I don't know exactly. I didn't see it. I didn't hear it."

Pelosi further backed away from her comment about the potential threat to her flight by saying, "You're telling me, and I've heard it anecdotally, but I haven't heard it from the president."

If Pelosi's trip takes place as reported, this would mark the first time a House speaker has visited Taiwan since Newt Gingrich's 1997 meeting with former President Lee Teng-hui (李登輝) in Taipei. Pelosi reportedly had originally planned to visit Taiwan in April, but the trip was canceled at the last minute after she was diagnosed with COVID.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1110&v=o0Fgr3tM-Os&feature=emb_imp_woyt


ohh please please please :hmm:
 

Knoxville's Joker

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If pelosi gets taken out Patrick Leahy is next in line on line of succession. He is a watergate baby or however you call it. I don't recall a lot of dirt in regards to him. This could ben an intentional assasination to push out harris and biden and replace with Patrick...
 

Crusty Echo 7

Veteran Member
Correct me if I’m wrong but wouldn’t the House have to elect a new majority leader? Not saying he wouldn’t be in the running but I don’t think it’s an automatic successor situation.
 

jward

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Biden Will Speak With Xi on Thursday as US-China Ties Worsen
  • Tensions have risen over possible Pelosi visit to Taiwan
  • Biden considering lifting some tariffs imposed by Trump

Joe Biden and Xi Jinping
Source: Bloomberg
By
Jenny Leonard
July 26, 2022 at 5:21 PM CDT

President Joe Biden will speak with Chinese leader Xi Jinping on Thursday amid fresh tensions over Taiwan, according to people familiar with the matter.
The first conversation between the two presidents since March will take place at a particularly difficult juncture for US-China ties: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s staff and security officials aren’t ruling out plans for her to visit Taiwan in early August.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said Monday that Beijing was getting “seriously prepared” for the possibility that Pelosi could visit the the self-governing island, which China considers part of its territory.
US Ambassador to China Nicholas Burns said in June that relations with China have deteriorated to probably “the lowest moment” since diplomatic relations resumed in 1972. Biden, who is recovering from the coronavirus at the White House, also is considering whether to lift some tariffs on Chinese imports in a bid to stem rampant inflation.
No final decision has been made about stopping in Taiwan during Pelosi’s trip to Asia next month, according to a person familiar with the details. Pelosi would be the first sitting speaker since Newt Gingrich to visit the island.

Beijing immediately vowed to take “resolute and strong” measures in response and warned of a “grave impact” on bilateral relations should Pelosi go ahead with the trip. China also privately warned the Biden administration of a possible military response, the Financial Times reported.
“All the ensuing consequences shall be borne by the US side,” Zhao said.
Still, lawmakers in both parties encouraging Pelosi to make the trip, saying not doing so following China’s protestations would amount to caving to Beijing.

Read more: Pelosi’s Peers Offer Don’t-Cave-to-China Advice Over Taiwan Stop
“If we can allow the Chinese to dictate who can visit Taiwan and who cannot, then we have already ceded Taiwan to the Chinese,” said Senate Foreign Relations Chair Bob Menendez, a New Jersey Democrat, who made his own trip to Taiwan in April.
Biden told reporters last week that the US military didn’t think Pelosi’s trip was a good idea, prompting consternation in Taiwan. It’s not clear if Pelosi, at the request of intelligence and defense officials, will decide against the trip.
Biden provoked China in May with a vow to defend Taiwan militarily. After saying that US policy on Taiwan “had not changed at all” during a news conference in Tokyo, he then answered “yes” when asked if the US would act “militarily” to defend the island in the event of a Chinese attack.

White House officials later walked back the remark, saying the president was only promising US aid to help Taiwan defend itself in the event of hostilities.

Read more: Here’s How China Might Respond to a Taiwan Visit by Nancy Pelosi
US officials have stressed that the Xi call would be a continuation of the Biden administration’s efforts to maintain open lines of communication to ensure the relationship doesn’t veer into unintended conflict.
National Security Council spokesman John Kirby told reporters Tuesday that the session would include a robust agenda, though tariffs are not likely to be among the issues.

“I wouldn’t think it would be a major topic of discussion with President Xi unless or until he makes a decision,” Kirby said of the duties. The two will talk about tensions over Taiwan and ways to manage the competition between the two largest economies, he said.
The White House has threatened consequences for Beijing should China aid Russian President Vladimir Putin in his war in Ukraine. So far, US officials said they haven’t seen anything that would amount to material support.

US Tariffs
Biden’s aides say he’s close to a decision on whether to scrap some of the tariffs former President Donald Trump imposed on roughly $350 billion in Chinese imports.
Some advisers have pushed for the move to help ease inflation that’s running at a four-decade high. Others, including labor unions, argue it would have little impact on price pressures and give up leverage in talks with Beijing.
Biden has repeatedly pledged to be the most pro-union president in US history, and Democrats are counting on labor support in November midterm elections that will determine whether the party retains control of Congress.

“The president is still thinking about it,” Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo said on CBS’s “Face the Nation” on Sunday. “You know, this is a big decision.”
Xi sent Biden a note last week wishing him a speedy recovery from Covid-19. The Chinese Communist Party is set to hold its national gathering this fall that’s expected to hand Xi a precedent-defying third term.

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jward

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entagon is prepared to protect Pelosi with fighter jets and ships if she visits Taiwan after China warned her not to, report says
Sophia Ankel

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Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (center) leaves her weekly news conference accompanied by staff and security.Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images

  • House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is tentatively planning to travel to Taiwan in August.
  • China has repeatedly warned against the trip and threatened military action if it goes ahead.
  • US officials told the AP the DOD would protect Pelosi with fighter jets and warships if she visits.
The Pentagon is prepared to send fighter jets and warships to protect House Speaker Nancy Pelosi if she visits Taiwan, the Associated Press reported Wednesday, amid China's threat to take military action if she goes.
The AP reported, citing unnamed US officials, that the Department of Defense had been developing security plans to keep Pelosi safe should her trip to Taiwan in August go ahead.
The officials said the plans likely involve sending fighter jets, ships, and surveillance assets to protect her on her flights to and out of Taiwan as well as on the ground.

The report comes amid China's repeated warnings that Pelosi not visit the self-ruling island, which it sees as part of China.
Senior Colonel Tan Kefei, a spokesperson for China's defense ministry, said on Tuesday that Pelosi's visit would "seriously harm China's sovereignty and territorial integrity, and seriously damage the political foundation of China-US relations."
Tan also threatened military action, adding: "If the US insists on taking its own course, the Chinese military will never sit idly by, and it will definitely take strong actions to thwart any external force's interference.
Pelosi was supposed to travel to Taiwan in April but did not end up going because she tested positive for the coronavirus. She has a tentative trip planned for August, the Financial Times reported, but it has not been confirmed.
"I don't ever discuss my travel plans. It's a matter of security," Pelosi told reporters on Wednesday.
China has long claimed that Taiwan — located around 100 miles away from its east coast — is part of the mainland, which Taiwan opposes. China has vocally opposed any recognition of Taiwan as its own country.
In recent months, the country has stepped up its rhetoric and military actions toward Taiwan, with Chinese planes carrying out multiple training exercises near Taiwan's air space.


The US publicly showed support for Taiwan after Russia invaded Ukraine earlier this year. Taiwanese leaders have expressed fears that China would do the same in Taiwan.
It is not abnormal to implement additional safety measures for senior leaders who are traveling overseas, but the officials told the AP that Pelosi would receive more security than usual.
The Department of Defense and representatives for Pelosi did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.
If Pelosi's trip is confirmed, she would be the highest-ranking US official to visit Taiwan in over 20 years.
 

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Doge
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Officials tell AP that the U.S. is developing plans in the event U.S. House Speaker Pelosi visits Taiwan. Pelosi would be the highest ranking U.S. official to visit Taiwan since 1997, if she does so.
If she goes, the U.S. will increase movement of forces and assets in the region. No specifics were given, but fighter jets, ships, surveillance assets, etc, would likely be used as part of overlapping protection for Pelosi.
Meanwhile, China warns of a "firm and absolute" response if Pelosi makes the trip.
 

jward

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EndGameWW3
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Update: White House National Security Council Strategic Communications Coordinator John Kirby: "It is up to US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to decide whether she will travel to Taiwan."
 

jward

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US aircraft carrier group heads towards Taiwan as tension over Nancy Pelosi’s possible visit continues to grow

Liu Zhen

4-5 minutes


Describing Benfold’s movements as provocative, Hu Bo, director of the Beijing-based South China Sea Strategic Situation Probing Initiative, said it was rare to see a single US warship challenge China’s claimed territorial waters three times in such a short period.
“There has never been such a situation before as far as I can remember,” Hu said. “Benfold looks like it is catching up to a schedule.”


The Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer USS Benfold in the South China Sea on July 19. Photo: US Navy
Voyages by US warships near disputed islands in the South China Sea were relatively infrequent, Hu said.
“In the past, for example, they made such voyages when passing through the South China Sea for visits or exercises – passing by [these disputed islands] on the way,” he said. “But not this time.”
Hu said frequent consecutive visits by one warship were “relatively rare”, adding that the US Navy has been transiting the Taiwan Strait about once a month.
Collin Koh, a research fellow at Singapore’s Institute of Defence and Strategic Studies, said the frequency of US Navy freedom of navigation operations had actually been reduced, with the last such operation conducted in January.
He said the Biden administration had instead recalibrated the US approach to the South China Sea, focusing more on engaging regional military partners and allies

“The US Navy forward-deployed forces are maximising limited resources and … in recent years there’s been an uptick in US military engagements with regional counterparts,” Koh said.
“The other observation I have is that given the Biden administration’s focus on promoting ‘common sense guardrails’ with China, military show of force activities would have to be properly calibrated, and judicious enough to balance between the political need to signal to China, while ensuring that tensions are kept under the lid to avoid unnecessary escalation.”
The USS Ronald Reagan carrier strike group began operating in the South China Sea for the first time this year on July 13, with the US Navy’s 7th Fleet saying it was conducting maritime security operations as part of routine operations in the Indo-Pacific region.


The aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan steams alongside supply ship USNS Amelia Earhart in the Pacific Ocean on May 15. Photo: US Navy
Hu’s think tank said US military activities in the South China Sea had been intensifying recently and the situation was likely to continue for a while.
Anti-submarine reconnaissance by US military aeroplanes had also intensified recently, Chinese state broadcaster CCTV reported, with 28 US military aircraft operating in the South China Sea, including 15 large reconnaissance aircraft and at least 13 P-8A Poseidon anti-submarine aircraft.


A US Navy P-8A Poseidon anti-submarine aircraft. Photo: Handout
In addition, more US Navy support ships were being spotted in the South China Sea, with at least six there recently, including submarine supply ships and oil tankers, “which also reflects the intensity of US military activities in the South China Sea”, the report said.
At least two P-8As operating from a US base in the Philippines provided intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance support for the Benfold near the Spratly Islands, Hu’s think tank said on Twitter.
The Benfold left the Japanese island of Okinawa on July 10, the think tank said.
Hu said such provocations by the US are not beneficial to Sino-US relations, even though voyages by a single destroyer pose no threat to the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA).
“This kind of action is a bit of an over-politicised military operation,” he said. “As a result, it is not conducive to interactions between the two militaries.”
Additional reporting by Teddy Ng

 

energy_wave

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Remember Pelosi's video where she said China was ruthless? Maybe she's trying to fight back, or make the Dem's look like they care about Democracy by going to Taiwan. In an effort to bolster the Dem's election in the mid terms.

Or... she knows Joe and Cameltoe are bought by China and she wants them to know that if they take her down, the next in line won't be so kind, because he's not under their control.
 

energy_wave

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George Soros calls for regime change in China


American billionaire and founder of the Open Society Foundation George Soros in his lecture for Stanford University called on the international community to urge China to change its political regime, the businessman said on Twitter.

Soros also said that CCP Secretary General Xi Jinping should step down as head of the Chinese state. “This would remove the greatest threat that open societies face today and they should do everything within their power to encourage China to move in the desired direction,” the billionaire declared.

According to Soros, China has now become "world’s most powerful authoritarian state in the world." He said that Xi Jinping, unlike China's former leader Deng Xiaoping (who brought market reforms to the country), really believes in communism.

Thus, according to Soros, the current Chinese president considers dictators Mao Zedong and Vladimir Lenin his idols. The billionaire also claimed that China, “like Germany in 1936,” will “attempt to use the spectacle” of the upcoming Beijing Olympic Games “to score a propaganda victory for its system of strict controls.”



 

jward

passin' thru
Normally, I'd be of the same frame of mind, but there are too many pots on the stove, and I can't help but have concern that in the confusion one of them will be neglected, boil over, and ruin everyone's dinner.





Insider Paper
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JUST IN Many in Taiwan have shrugged off China's warnings about a possible trip to the democratic island by U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, saying they were accustomed to Beijing's sabre-rattling and saw no cause for alarm. - Reuters
 

Wyominglarry

Veteran Member
China now has huge domestic problems that the CCP cannot handle. As these problems increase Xi will look to start a war to keep the focus off internal problems and focus them outward. I say tell China to go **** themselves and we will match their firepower with even greater firepower.
 
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