OT/MISC Will you ever buy an electric vehicle?
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I'm 68. Figure I'll live to 82.
That's 14 years. I might drive another 12.
I average about 3 gallons a week. That is 160 gallons a year. At $10/gallon that is $1,600/year.
That's a total of $20,000 over 12 years.
I drive about 4000 miles a year. Car has 69,000 miles.
In 12 years it will have 117,000 miles.
Average EV vehicle will add .03/mile to your electric bill which works out to $10/mo for me.
My current monthly gasoline bill is $50/mo at $5/gallon.
So, I would save about $40/month.
An EV charging station cost about $1500.
A new EV (because its a vehicle I would never buy used) is $45,000 - car payment would go from $350/mo to $500/month.
With my current vehicle, I will spend $20,000 in capital and $20,000 in fuel.
With and EV, I will spend $40,000 in capital and $1,500 in fuel.
I appears that one is merely exchanging a variable consumable cost (gas) for an increased capital cost.
Someone is going to get your money one way or the other.
That's 14 years. I might drive another 12.
I average about 3 gallons a week. That is 160 gallons a year. At $10/gallon that is $1,600/year.
That's a total of $20,000 over 12 years.
I drive about 4000 miles a year. Car has 69,000 miles.
In 12 years it will have 117,000 miles.
Average EV vehicle will add .03/mile to your electric bill which works out to $10/mo for me.
My current monthly gasoline bill is $50/mo at $5/gallon.
So, I would save about $40/month.
An EV charging station cost about $1500.
A new EV (because its a vehicle I would never buy used) is $45,000 - car payment would go from $350/mo to $500/month.
With my current vehicle, I will spend $20,000 in capital and $20,000 in fuel.
With and EV, I will spend $40,000 in capital and $1,500 in fuel.
I appears that one is merely exchanging a variable consumable cost (gas) for an increased capital cost.
Someone is going to get your money one way or the other.
cyberiot
Rimtas žmogus
I'm in the same boat . . . er . . . car.
I don't have any political attitudes for or against EVs. I think the dino juice will go away or become prohibitively expensive before the grid does. For my next vehicle, I've called dibs on my DD's hybrid. If that deal collapses, I will likely buy an EV. I'm older and, by plan, most of where I go is so local I can almost navigate it on a bike. Which, BTW, I also have.
For folks in my AO and demographic, they're a good idea, and have been for a long time--Sun City is rife with golf carts. Here in AZ, we have the country's largest nuke plant at Palo Verde to fall back on if and when the hydro dries up. I'm not a big fan of nukes, but in this moment and the next few to follow, they're better'n nuttin'. And, too, there's solar.
All I ask of the whole issue is that I remain free to CHOOSE what I drive, and that my choices are driven by the market, not by politics.
Bubble Head
Has No Life - Lives on TB
So where is the electricity to power all the EVs going to come from. Also would like to know what size grid wire and poles to handle the loads are needed and the schedule to have them installed?
Jackpine Savage
Veteran Member
This is a guy from northern Minnesota that is a friend of a friend. He rented a Tesla to head down to Iowa last winter. He got about 50% of the estimated range and the charging time added about 3 hours to his trip. RT 12:54
I'll never say never, but I'm not interested at this point.
It just wouldn't work for me.
The sucky part is this commie push to force EVs on us is killing me on fuel, even tho there isn't one that would do what I need a vehicle to do.
It just wouldn't work for me.
The sucky part is this commie push to force EVs on us is killing me on fuel, even tho there isn't one that would do what I need a vehicle to do.
Freeholder
This too shall pass.
I said no, but that really means highly unlikely.
I suspect that the grid is going to become more and more unreliable; this will also mean that gasoline/diesel supplies will be more expensive and more scarce, so that's probably a wash unless you can power your EV with solar or wind (personal power systems).
My understanding is that some of the materials needed for the batteries are coming from places like China, so that's a hard no. Not to mention that the mining of those rare earths is more damaging to the environment than the pumping of crude oil is. I'm not a rabid environmentalist, but we do need to at least try to take care of this planet.
Then there are the issues of charging time, distance you can drive before recharging, and load capacity. Also, cost to replace the batteries is horrendous, and there have been some safety issues (spontaneous fires).
I think I would consider a smaller electric vehicle, such as an electric bike or a golf cart type of vehicle, something that could be charged at home on a small solar system if necessary, and something that didn't need specialized equipment to change the battery. Those would just be for local running around, obviously. In our area, if I was younger and still physically fit, I really think a couple of horses and a buggy would be a better option, as they reproduce themselves. But I have been looking at possibly a small EV -- the bike or golf cart option. Pretty sure we'll never get an electric car, though
Kathleen
I suspect that the grid is going to become more and more unreliable; this will also mean that gasoline/diesel supplies will be more expensive and more scarce, so that's probably a wash unless you can power your EV with solar or wind (personal power systems).
My understanding is that some of the materials needed for the batteries are coming from places like China, so that's a hard no. Not to mention that the mining of those rare earths is more damaging to the environment than the pumping of crude oil is. I'm not a rabid environmentalist, but we do need to at least try to take care of this planet.
Then there are the issues of charging time, distance you can drive before recharging, and load capacity. Also, cost to replace the batteries is horrendous, and there have been some safety issues (spontaneous fires).
I think I would consider a smaller electric vehicle, such as an electric bike or a golf cart type of vehicle, something that could be charged at home on a small solar system if necessary, and something that didn't need specialized equipment to change the battery. Those would just be for local running around, obviously. In our area, if I was younger and still physically fit, I really think a couple of horses and a buggy would be a better option, as they reproduce themselves. But I have been looking at possibly a small EV -- the bike or golf cart option. Pretty sure we'll never get an electric car, though
Kathleen
subnet
Boot
EV's have no soul
Yeah, but you've got Manic Mechanic to work on it for ya.
The idea of a horse sounds cool but they aren't maintenance free.
There are shoes. Dental care (floating). Feed. Supplements. Pasture. Exercise. Tack.
I had to do some research a while back and the average monthly cost to take care of a horse was $300/mo
which is about the same as a reasonable car except you don't have to clean stalls or shovel poo.
It just depends on who you want to give your money to.
Ultimately, it will come down to whether you own a car or not.
And they would very much like for you to not own a car.
There are shoes. Dental care (floating). Feed. Supplements. Pasture. Exercise. Tack.
I had to do some research a while back and the average monthly cost to take care of a horse was $300/mo
which is about the same as a reasonable car except you don't have to clean stalls or shovel poo.
It just depends on who you want to give your money to.
Ultimately, it will come down to whether you own a car or not.
And they would very much like for you to not own a car.
FNFAL1958
Senior Member
Now that would be fun to drive I think.
GB Appling
Contributing Member
If I ever hit the lottery and bought a hunting ranch I might buy a electric golf cart to ride around. But never an on the public road vehicle.
subnet
Boot
Another aspect is the auto drive options...what the hell is so important that you need to hand over driving to a computer while you are in the drivers seat?
No way am I sitting in a car, where the steering is controlled by a computer
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
Opps! I voted before I read the limiters. For any distance beyond 1/4 mile???
Not likely
Seeker22
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Once they figure out Hydrogen Powered without the charging station- just pour water in, any old water- I'm in. Charging station is too much like a boundary. And they get to set the boundary. I would like a car, without the (((they))).
Anything Lithium powered? Not a chance.
kyrsyan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
If I can avoid it, no. I'm too far away from too many things for an EV to be practical in our lives. One of my brothers has a pure EV and a hybrid. The pure EV is only used for them to go to and from work. The hybrid is used for more distant stuff, within a few hours of their home. And the pure gas vehicle is used for any further travel.
Vulture45-70
Veteran Member
No, Hel- NO
Ordinary Girl
Veteran Member
I said yes because we never know what the future holds
db cooper
Resident Secret Squirrel
No. It's a combination of too expensive and they are not suitable for ultra cold climates.
But there is a caveat, being if forced to by the government. But if the grid cannot support them and they are still unsuitable for cold climates, then our quality of life will be significantly reduced. This is most likely the goal anyway.
But there is a caveat, being if forced to by the government. But if the grid cannot support them and they are still unsuitable for cold climates, then our quality of life will be significantly reduced. This is most likely the goal anyway.
vector7
Dot Collector
Flashback Aug 21, 2021: Salena Zito on Tucker discussing DEMOCRATS and Biden inept energy policy hurting millions of Americans
RT 2min
View: https://twitter.com/Baklava_in_CA/status/1425616385577652229?s=20&t=aWNJT8EE6s20btPw9-_-HQ
Experts Warn of POWER GRID Blackouts AND Electric Cars (5min)
June 10, 2022
The government keeps telling everyone that the war fossil fuel can be beat by purchasing electric cars. Americans are in a bind. We can’t avoid fossil fuels, they are literally used in every thing we touch every day. As the average cost of gasoline reaches $5/gallon and electricity prices continue to increase, we are told that one billion people are at risk of power black outs as the global grid is stretched to its limits with rolling blackouts. Here in the USA, we are prone to the same issues. As nuclear, coal, and natural gas power plants are being shut down, and we are putting more reliance on green energy such as wind and solar. Grids are stretched thin by fossil fuel shortages, drought, heatwaves, and the failed green energy transition which can only supply 18% of our current needs. The lack of battery storage, and issues with generation when the sun doesn't shine or the wind doesn't blow will create instabilities and more stress on grids. All of these energy problems are leading to a perfect storm of blackouts which threatens much of the Northern Hemisphere.
View: https://youtu.be/_3zPbHD3Nvc
Comment from the YT video above....
Joseph Neubauer 2 weeks ago
I just wanted to share this ..... I thought it was incorrect but it looks like it's cheaper to have a Gasoline than an EV.
By comparison, even at $6/$8 a gallon its about .03-.08 per mile and according to this stats (depending on the EV you buy) you'd have to drive nearly 1 million miles to get the cost back.
There was a guy from the government clean air board who said having a 100% EV national fleet meaning every car is an EV isn't possible no matter how to figure it out or crunch the numbers.
They stated a few issues:
1. There isn't enough voltage/energy to charge all of those cars currently from our grid and pushing renewables like Solar and Wind can't even begin to make up the difference.
2. Our grid's transformers can't support all of the higher fluctuation of EV charging demands.
3. There isn't enough batteries available out there to charge them (The DNC/DS has allowed China to take control of most of the worlds rare earth minerals to produce them).
4. Switching to all EV immediately or too quickly would bankrupt not only many lower/middle working class people but our governments as well.
5. It could cause 90% of people to have a serious impact of quality of life (loss or rationing of electricity). Meaning that lots of things we depend on such as internet, power, water could be effected because it would strain or crash the whole electrical grid taking us to third world living conditions (The Great Reset). According to this report they said no matter how you try it's not possible. SO, it seem like it reinforces your point of "people our gasoline cars and truck are not going away any time soon." EV's technology, our Power Grid, Supply Chain and Economy just aren't ready for a 100% transition.
-----------
Tucker's monologue (not in the video) leading up to the Salena Zito interview below lays out some important facts:
Tucker: "So one of the many reasons we came to Brazil this week was to take a closer look at China's effort to control Brazil and it's economy.
Roughly 70% of China's Global Infrastructure investments in Brazil have centered on it's energy sector. Once you control a country's energy, you control that country.
Increasingly China's been doing the same thing in our country, in the United States. The Biden Administration has been encouraging China to funnel money to renewable energy sources.
Now, they call this the Green New Deal but in effect what the Biden Administration is pushing is dependence on China. Total dependence on Chinese made Solar Panels and batteries making China in control of the United States." vvv
Even if we made the panels in the US, we still need materials from China: Journalist (2min)
Jun 28, 2022
Journalist Salena Zito discusses how Biden’s climate agenda is heavily reliant on production of panels and materials from China
View: https://youtu.be/oSrWBdG4G7Y
RT 2min
View: https://twitter.com/Baklava_in_CA/status/1425616385577652229?s=20&t=aWNJT8EE6s20btPw9-_-HQ
Experts Warn of POWER GRID Blackouts AND Electric Cars (5min)
June 10, 2022
The government keeps telling everyone that the war fossil fuel can be beat by purchasing electric cars. Americans are in a bind. We can’t avoid fossil fuels, they are literally used in every thing we touch every day. As the average cost of gasoline reaches $5/gallon and electricity prices continue to increase, we are told that one billion people are at risk of power black outs as the global grid is stretched to its limits with rolling blackouts. Here in the USA, we are prone to the same issues. As nuclear, coal, and natural gas power plants are being shut down, and we are putting more reliance on green energy such as wind and solar. Grids are stretched thin by fossil fuel shortages, drought, heatwaves, and the failed green energy transition which can only supply 18% of our current needs. The lack of battery storage, and issues with generation when the sun doesn't shine or the wind doesn't blow will create instabilities and more stress on grids. All of these energy problems are leading to a perfect storm of blackouts which threatens much of the Northern Hemisphere.
Comment from the YT video above....
Joseph Neubauer 2 weeks ago
I just wanted to share this ..... I thought it was incorrect but it looks like it's cheaper to have a Gasoline than an EV.
By comparison, even at $6/$8 a gallon its about .03-.08 per mile and according to this stats (depending on the EV you buy) you'd have to drive nearly 1 million miles to get the cost back.
There was a guy from the government clean air board who said having a 100% EV national fleet meaning every car is an EV isn't possible no matter how to figure it out or crunch the numbers.
They stated a few issues:
1. There isn't enough voltage/energy to charge all of those cars currently from our grid and pushing renewables like Solar and Wind can't even begin to make up the difference.
2. Our grid's transformers can't support all of the higher fluctuation of EV charging demands.
3. There isn't enough batteries available out there to charge them (The DNC/DS has allowed China to take control of most of the worlds rare earth minerals to produce them).
4. Switching to all EV immediately or too quickly would bankrupt not only many lower/middle working class people but our governments as well.
5. It could cause 90% of people to have a serious impact of quality of life (loss or rationing of electricity). Meaning that lots of things we depend on such as internet, power, water could be effected because it would strain or crash the whole electrical grid taking us to third world living conditions (The Great Reset). According to this report they said no matter how you try it's not possible. SO, it seem like it reinforces your point of "people our gasoline cars and truck are not going away any time soon." EV's technology, our Power Grid, Supply Chain and Economy just aren't ready for a 100% transition.
-----------
Tucker's monologue (not in the video) leading up to the Salena Zito interview below lays out some important facts:
Tucker: "So one of the many reasons we came to Brazil this week was to take a closer look at China's effort to control Brazil and it's economy.
Roughly 70% of China's Global Infrastructure investments in Brazil have centered on it's energy sector. Once you control a country's energy, you control that country.
Increasingly China's been doing the same thing in our country, in the United States. The Biden Administration has been encouraging China to funnel money to renewable energy sources.
Now, they call this the Green New Deal but in effect what the Biden Administration is pushing is dependence on China. Total dependence on Chinese made Solar Panels and batteries making China in control of the United States." vvv
Even if we made the panels in the US, we still need materials from China: Journalist (2min)
Jun 28, 2022
Journalist Salena Zito discusses how Biden’s climate agenda is heavily reliant on production of panels and materials from China
Wildweasel
F-4 Phantoms Phorever
I'm in the maybe camp as well. IF battery technology makes more advances to increase range, reduce charging time, eliminate cold weather disadvantage and make them cost competitive, THEN I might be open to even looking at an EV as a possible purchase when it's time to replace our vehicles.
But as long as those drawbacks exist and there isn't an EV that fits my needs, they aren't something I'll ever consider.
Normallguy
"just a human bein'"
This, Aptera Motors looks like it would fold and crumple from a bug strike.
Can't imagine a deer or other impact.
Nice idea tho.
Can't imagine a deer or other impact.
Nice idea tho.
The battery in my 2020 Bolt can be swapped out in less than 1 hour.
Meemur
Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
I want to qualify my "no" vote: IF I lived in a retirement community like The Villages and I could no longer safely drive a car on public roads, I would have a golf cart for getting groceries, going visiting, and around the complex. An electric vehicle would make sense under those conditions.
I would not have one as my regular vehicle living in Iowa. I would not want to take the chance of being stranded somewhere when it's -5, and I do have to respond to emergencies in those low
temps at times.
Also, I'm not made of money! My next vehicle will likely be a used Honda CRV, which will be pricey but nothing like a new electric vehicle or full-sized pickup truck with all the bells and whistles.
I would not have one as my regular vehicle living in Iowa. I would not want to take the chance of being stranded somewhere when it's -5, and I do have to respond to emergencies in those low
temps at times.
Also, I'm not made of money! My next vehicle will likely be a used Honda CRV, which will be pricey but nothing like a new electric vehicle or full-sized pickup truck with all the bells and whistles.
Cacheman
Ultra MAGA!
Is there a difference in battery life on these if they are charged on 120v compared to fast charging?
PghPanther
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Not unless they can get them to recharge within the amount of time it would take you to fill up your gas tank.