OT/MISC Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Killed Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and Injured Director. New Charges Filed!

changed

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So maybe the armorer walked too. Confirms my suspicion about a half-assed, corner-cutting operation.

***oops..here..ya didn't bring over the whole article. Some important info in later paragraphs. Sounds like a real shit-show. Problems with the gun, misfires earlier in the week, the professionals weren't in charge anymore. :



Alec Baldwin ‘Rust’ camera crew walked off the set in protest before the fatal shooting


BY MEG JAMESSTAFF WRITER
OCT. 22, 2021 UPDATED 1:58 PM PT


Hours before actor Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer on the New Mexico set of “Rust” with a prop gun, a half-dozen camera crew workers walked off the set to protest working conditions.

The camera operators and their assistants were frustrated by the conditions surrounding the low-budget film, including complaints of long hours and getting their paychecks, according to three people familiar with the matter who were not authorized to comment.

The camera crew showed up for work as expected at 6:30 a.m. Thursday and began gathering up their gear and personal belongings to leave, one knowledgeable crew member told the Los Angeles Times.

An aerial image of the church at Bonanza Creek Ranch, near Santa Fe, N.M.

An aerial image of the church at Bonanza Creek Ranch, near Santa Fe, N.M.
(ASSOCIATED PRESS)

Labor trouble had been brewing for days on the dusty set at the Bonanza Creek Ranch near Santa Fe.
Shooting began on Oct. 6 and members of the production said they had been promised the production would pay for their hotel rooms in Santa Fe.

Halyna Hutchins working on the set of the 2020 film “Archenemy”
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But after filming began, the crews were told they instead would be required to make the 50-mile drive from Albuquerque each day, rather than stay overnight in nearby Santa Fe.

The cinematographer who was accidentally killed, Halyna Hutchins, had been advocating for safer conditions for her team, said one crew member who was on the set.

As the camera crew — members of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees — spent about an hour assembling their gear at the Bonanza Creek Ranch, several nonunion crew members showed up to replace them, the knowledgeable person said.

A member of the producer staff then ordered the union members to leave the set. She said if they didn’t leave, the producers would call security to remove them.

“Corners were being cut — and they brought in nonunion people so they could continue shooting,” the knowledgeable person said.

There were two misfires on the prop gun on Saturday and one the previous week, the person said, adding “there was a serious lack of safety meetings on this set.”

“The safety of our cast and crew is the top priority of Rust Productions and everyone associated with the company, " Rust Movie Productions LLC said in a statement. “Though we were not made aware of any official complaints concerning weapon or prop safety on set, we will be conducting an internal review of our procedures while production is shut down.

We will continue to cooperate with the Santa Fe authorities in their investigation and offer mental health services to the cast and crew during this tragic time.”

The shooting occurred about six hours after the union camera crew left.
Baldwin, the film’s star who also served as a producer on the film, was apparently rehearsing a scene outside the church of the Bonzana Creek Ranch set, according to two knowledgeable people.

Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was on the cusp of reaching a new level of recognition in a male-dominated field.
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The scene involved a gun fight that began in the church, and then Baldwin’s character was supposed to back out of the church, according to production notes obtained by The Times. It was the 12th day of a 21-day shoot.

The Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office said deputies were dispatched to the Bonanza Creek Ranch movie set, where filming was underway for the western “Rust,” after calls to 911 at 1:50 p.m. Baldwin was starring in the movie in addition to serving as one of the producers.

No charges have been filed, but the Sheriff’s Office said that “witnesses continue to be interviewed by detectives.”

Baldwin said Friday he’s “fully cooperating with the police investigation” into the incident.

“There are no words to convey my shock and sadness regarding the tragic accident that took the life of Halyna Hutchins, a wife, mother and deeply admired colleague of ours,” Baldwin wrote Friday in a series of tweets.

Production has been halted on the low-budget movie, which began filming this month.

In an email to its members, Local 44 of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, a union that represents prop masters, said the shot that killed Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza on Thursday was “a live single round.”

“As many of us have already heard, there was an accidental weapons discharge on a production titled Rust being filmed in New Mexico,” said the North Hollywood-based local. “A live single round was accidentally fired on set by the principal actor, hitting both the Director of Photography, Local 600 member Halyna Hutchins, and Director Joel Souza. Both were rushed to the hospital,” the email said.

A source close to union said Local 44 does not know what projectile was in the gun and clarified that “live” is an industry term that refers to a gun being loaded with some material such as a blank ready for filming.

Bonanza Creek Ranch has been a popular filming location for more than 60 years. The first movie to film there was “The Man From Laramie,” starring Jimmy Stewart. It also was the set for the classic “Blazing Saddles,” “The Ballad of Buster Scruggs” and the popular TV show “Longmire.”

If union workers were involved, it may not have been an accident.
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Yeah....we're in some kind of weird Mobius WOO Loop!

iu


And it's getting weirder by the minute......do you think the Kennedy assassination could also be tied into this?

iu
 

Cacheman

Ultra MAGA!
And it's getting weirder by the minute......do you think the Kennedy assassination could also be tied into this?
Since you brought this up a certain site on the proscribed list reported today that on Friday biden ordered the remaining files concerning the assassination “shall be withheld from full public disclosure” until December 15 next year. FWIW
 

homecanner1

Veteran Member
needs its own thread for broader discussion but yeah, confirmed

Saturday, October 23, 2021

President Joe Biden has ordered the remaining files on President John F. Kennedy’s assassination to remain hidden until next December, citing the coronavirus pandemic. He’s not the first president to delay releasing the files.
In a memo on Friday, Biden wrote that the remaining files concerning the assassination “shall be withheld from full public disclosure” until December 15 next year, nearly 60 years after Kennedy was shot dead as his motorcade rolled through Dallas, Texas.

Biden’s memo states that due to the Covid-19 pandemic, the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) and the National Archivist have been prevented from checking in with every agency affected by the files, and can’t determine whether releasing the unredacted documents would impact national security.

Therefore, Biden wrote, “temporary continued postponement is necessary to protect against identifiable harm to the military defense, intelligence operations, law enforcement, or the conduct of foreign relations.” Some information already deemed appropriate will be released this December, while the remainder will stay secret until at least next December..."
 

Macgyver

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Staffer who 'gave Alec gun' worked on sequel to The Crow where star was shot
  • 0:45 ET, Oct 23 2021
  • Updated: 0:45 ET, Oct 23 2021
THE assistant director who reportedly handed Alec Baldwin a loaded gun that led to the fatal shooting on the Rust film set worked on the sequel to The Crow, where Brandon Lee was killed.
Assistant director Dave Halls grabbed a gun from a cart an armorer had placed it on and handed it to the actor, believing that it was unloaded, according to a search warrant filed as part of the ongoing investigation.
Actor Brandon Lee was killed on the 1993 set of The Crow
Actor Brandon Lee was killed on the 1993 set of The CrowCredit: Rex
Assistant director Dave Halls believed the gun he gave Baldwin was 'cold,' according to a warrant
Assistant director Dave Halls believed the gun he gave Baldwin was 'cold,' according to a warrantCredit: Twitter/Dave Halls
Halls even told Baldwin the weapon was "cold," according to the warrant.
In an ironic twist, Halls also worked on The Crow: Salvation, the sequel to the 1993 film The Crow, where actor Brandon Lee was tragically killed in a similar gun mishap.
Lee, the son of martial arts legend Bruce Lee, died at age 28 after being hit by a .44-caliber slug while filming a death scene for the movie.
In that incident, a prop gun that was supposed to fire a blank let off a live round, killing the actor.
After Thursday's accident, Lee's family took to social media to send condolences for cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, who was killed, and director Joel Souza, who was injured in the shooting.
“Our hearts go out to the family of Halyna Hutchins and to Joel Souza and all involved in the incident on ‘Rust,’” the family tweeted from an account dedicated to Lee. “No one should ever be killed by a gun on a film set. Period.”
The gun that Baldwin fired on Thursday was also loaded with live rounds.
Halls is a veteran of the film industry, having worked as an assistant director on major productions like Fargo, The Matrix Reloaded, and Reno 911.
Read our Alec Baldwin shooting live blog for the very latest news and updates...
The gun Halls picked up was reportedly one of three laid on a cart by the film's armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed.
It's not clear at this time how many rounds were fired.
Gutierrez-Reed, 24, is the daughter of longtime film industry armorer, Thell Reed. She said in a recent podcast interview that she had trained from a young age.
She also said that she had recently completed her first job as a head armorer on a film called The Old Way, starring Nicolas Cage.
The gun that went off and other prop guns and ammunition were taken in as evidence, as well as Alec's blood-stained costume, the warrant says.
PREVIOUS SAFETY COMPLAINTS ON SET
According to the accounts of people familiar with the Rust set, Thursday's deadly accident was not the first time there were safety issues at the New Mexico film location, Deadline reports.
At least one previous incident involved a prop weapon misfiring, one source told the outlet.
"A gun had two misfires in a closed cabin," the source said. "They just fired loud pops - a person was just holding it in their hands and it went off."
One worker wrote that the team was replaced by "four non-union guys."
An unnamed prop master who oversaw the gun used in the shooting was a non-union employee who was "just brought in" to replace workers who left, a source told The New York Post.
It's unclear at this time if Gutierrez-Reed was a recent addition to the production.
However, a link on her Instagram profile leads to an article about Rust that was published in May, suggesting she may have been part of the team early on.
BALDWIN ISSUES STATEMENT
Baldwin, 63, issued a statement after the incident mourning Halyna, 42, and confirming that he was cooperating with the police investigation.
"There are no words to convey my shock and sadness regarding the tragic accident that took the life of Halyna Hutchins, a wife, mother, and deeply admired colleague of ours," he wrote.
"I'm fully cooperating with the police investigation to address how this tragedy occurred and I am in touch with her husband, offering my support to him and his family.
"My heart is broken for her husband, their son, and all who knew and loved Halyna."
Baldwin was quizzed by cops following the accident and was snapped sobbing outside a local police station in Santa Fe, New Mexico, according to local media reports.
Halyna Hutchins was killed in the on-set shooting
Halyna Hutchins was killed in the on-set shootingCredit: Getty
Baldwin was reportedly told the gun was empty
Baldwin was reportedly told the gun was emptyCredit: Instagram/ Alec Baldwin
Brandon Lee's family issued a statement after Hutchins' death
Brandon Lee's family issued a statement after Hutchins' deathCredit: Getty
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Kayak

Adrenaline Junkie
Soooooo, who was behind the loaded gun, was it:

A. Union issues
B. Disgruntled employee
C. Stupid employee
E. Film critic
F. The Clinton's
G. CIA
H. MI6
I. Mrs. Peacock with a candle stick in the kitchen
J. Brandon

Baldwin's finger pulled the trigger. If he'd taken a few seconds to doublecheck it, none of this would be an issue.

And yes, if someone put a live round into the weapon to cause problems, they are also culpable, but that doesn't take away Baldwin's responsibility to make sure the gun he was firing was, indeed, cold.
 

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jward

passin' thru




Franklin Sheckler
@FDSheckler


This was the person in charge of firearms on Baldwin's production, no joke.
@JUSTcatmeme2
View: https://twitter.com/FDSheckler/status/1451863147401338882?s=20




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Production crew walked off Alec Baldwin movie set hours before tragic shooting
Jennifer Smith, Keith Griffith, Shawn Cohen, Elizabeth Ribuffo

33-42 minutes


The armorer and assistant director who handed off a fatal prop gun to Alec Baldwin have been identified, after it was revealed that some crew members walked off the set of the movie Rust over safety concerns before the tragic shooting that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.

A search warrant released Friday said that armorer Hannah Gutierrez laid out three prop guns on a cart outside the filming location, and first assistant director Dave Halls grabbed the gun from the cart and brought it inside to Baldwin, unaware that it was loaded with live rounds.
'Cold gun!' shouted Halls before handing the gun to Baldwin, using the phrase to signal to cast and crew that the gun was safe to fire for the scene, the warrant said.

Seconds later, filming a scene inside an Old West-style church, Baldwin apparently aimed towards the camera and pulled the trigger, accidentally killing Hutchins as she filmed him, and injuring director Joel Souza, who stood behind her.
The gun that fired the fatal shot was a vintage-style Colt revolver, DailyMail.com has exclusively learned. The movie, set in 1880's Kansas, stars Baldwin as the infamous outlaw Harland Rust, whose grandson is sentenced to hang for an accidental murder.
A call sheet from the set identified the armorer's name as Hannah Gutierrez Reed, according to the Wall Street Journal. Gutierrez-Reed, 24, is the daughter of legendary Hollywood armorer and firearms consultant Thell Reed, who trained her from a young age, she said in a recent podcast interview.
She said in the podcast that she had recently completed her first film as head armorer on The Old Way, starring Nicolas Cage. 'I almost didn’t take the job because I wasn’t sure if I was ready, but doing it, it went really smoothly,' she said in the interview last month.

Halls is a veteran assistant director with scores of credits on productions involving prop guns, including Fargo, The Matrix Reloaded, and the TV cop comedy Reno 911.
In 2000, Halls was the second unit's first assistant director on The Crow: Salvation, the sequel to the film in which Bruce Lee's son Brandon Lee was killed in an on-set firearms mishap in 1993.
Neither he nor Gutierrez-Reed immediately returned messages from DailyMail.com late on Friday. Neither has been charged or named as a criminal suspect in the case, though a police investigation is ongoing.

A search warrant released Friday said that armorer Hannah Gutierrez (left) laid out three prop guns on a cart outside the filming location, and assistant director Dave Halls (right) grabbed the gun from the cart and brought it inside to Baldwin
EXCLUSIVE: Fatal gun in movie shooting was vintage Colt revolver

The gun that killed filmmaker Halyna Hutchins was a vintage-style Colt revolver, DailyMail.com has exclusively learned.
Alec Baldwin was handling the vintage gun on the set of Rust in Santa Fe, New Mexico, when it fired a live round – killing mom-of-one Hutchins, 42, and wounding director Joel Souza.
According to a call sheet obtained by DailyMail.com, Baldwin was taking part in a mock gunfight inside the church building on the Bonanza Ranch film set when Hutchins was hit on Thursday.

A vintage Colt Dragoon from the 1800s is seen. The fatal gun was a Colt, but the model and caliber are sill unclear
Co-stars Jensen Ackles, Swen Temmel and Travis Hammer were also in the scene – numbered 121 - alongside Baldwin’s stunt double Blake Teixeira and stunt coordinator Allan Graf.
Production notes show the Colt pistol was one of several weapons on set at the time but the only one used in 121 and the preceding 118.
Filming had been due to continue with a scene that showed Baldwin being thrown into a stagecoach but it was halted following the accident.
Further scenes featuring Baldwin and Ackles had been scheduled for Friday and over the weekend but have now been postponed indefinitely.
The warrant also said that a single bullet struck Hutchins in the chest, and then struck director Joel Souza in the shoulder as he was standing behind her, injuring him, suggesting the bullet traveled all the way through Hutchins' body.

After the shooting, the armorer took possession of the gun and a spent casing, which were turned over to police, along with other prop guns and ammunition used on the set.

Baldwin also changed out of the Western costume he was wearing, which was stained with blood, and turned it over to police.

The warrant does not reveal the model or caliber of the prop gun that fired the fatal bullet, but the film is set in the Old West of the 1880s and DailyMail.com has learned it was a Colt.

The warrant was obtained Friday so that investigators could document the scene at the ranch where the shooting took place.

Unionized workers had walked off the set hours before the fatal shooting, after they complained about long hours, shoddy conditions and another safety incident days earlier involving 'two misfires' of a prop weapon.

A yet-unnamed prop master who oversaw the gun used in the fatal shooting was a non-union worker who was 'just brought in' to replace the workers who left over safety concerns, a source involved in the movie told the New York Post.

It's unclear whether Gutierrez-Reed, the armorer, had recently joined the production, or was one of the crew members who stayed behind after the walk-off.

However, a link in her Instagram bio points to an article about Rust from May, suggesting she had been attached to the production for some time.

Unionized employees had been complaining about the fact they had to stay overnight in Albuquerque - an hour's drive from the set - and not Sante Fe because production wouldn't pay for their hotels, according to sources cited by The Los Angeles Times and multiple social media posts by film and TV insiders.

When they turned up to set to clear their things on Thursday, they found they'd been replaced by locals.

It begs the question of who those local workers were, what their training was and to what extent did they check the weapon before it was handed to Baldwin.

Deadline also cites an unnamed source who said a gun had gone off 'in a cabin' while someone was holding it, days prior to the shooting that killed Hutchins.

'A gun had two misfires in a closed cabin. They just fired loud pops – a person was just holding it in their hands and it went off,' they said, apparently referring to unintentional discharges.

Rust Production LLC did not respond to repeated requests for comment from DailyMail.com on Friday about the incident, but members of the union that represents many of the crew who were involved in the production said they had expressed fears about on-set safety.


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Pinecone

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I have a hard time believing that other incident with the prop gun was a case of it just going off by itself. Someone had their fingers where they didn't belong. It may be a case where there weren't supposed to be rounds in it at all, but that is a different problem.
 

Macgyver

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Alec Baldwin's Negligent Discharge: Unhinged Actor May Face Involuntary Manslaughter Charges
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Time to clean up the messy reporting on Alec Baldwin’s negligent shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and director Joel Souza. We still do not know what firearm was used, but the film was being shot on a movie set used principally for 19th Century westerns–Blazing Saddles and Jimmy Stewarts’ The Man From Laramie. So it is highly likely that Baldwin was shooting a revolver and not a semi-automatic pistol (e.g., Glock, Sig Sauer, Berretta).

Semi-automatic pistols are a 20th Century invention and became a staple of military equipment after World War II. There are two types of revolvers–Single Action and Double Action. Single Action means that when you pull the trigger the hammer is released and the gun fires. This was in widespread use in the West during the cowboy era. The cylinder that holds the ammunition is not easily removed and you must open a loading gate to insert only one round at a time into the revolver. Double Action is what most people associate with a revolver. That means when you pull the trigger it cocks the hammer and then, as you continue to apply pressure to the trigger, releases the hammer and fires the pistol.

If a revolver was used by Baldwin then a negligent discharge is not an “accident”. It is negligence. Whoever loaded the revolver handled each round. If the person loading the gun was paying attention, it is impossible to “accidentally” load a live round.
A round of modern ammunition has four components:
  1. A primer, which starts the ignition process
  2. The casing, usually brass, which remains in the revolver as an empty shell casing after being fired.
  3. Gunpowder, which burns very quickly and generates a large amount of expanding gas. This, in turn, makes a lot of noise and light and pushes the fourth component out of the barrel
  4. The bullet
Blank ammunition does not have a bullet. Therefore, if you are loading blanks you will not see a bullet poking out of the end of the shell casing. Blanks are not harmless. A blank round will propel a plug and gunpowder when fired. If you fire a blank from a pistol pressed against a person’s head the force of the explosion is enough to kill a man.

Compare a blank 44 pistol caliber with a regular 44. The following is a 44 blank:
44 Magnum Blanks - Detroit Ammo Co..- Triple R Munitions ...

And here is a live 44 caliber round:
Federal Champion 44 Magnum 240gr JHP Handgun Ammo - 50 ...

If you are paying attention and are knowledgeable about a 44 caliber pistol, you will not confuse these two rounds. The brass is crimped in the 44 blank. The bullet is clearly visible in live 44 round.
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There are four fundamental rules for gun safety:
  1. Treat every gun as if it is loaded until you inspect the firearm and determine there is no ammunition in the chamber.
  2. Keep your finger off the trigger until you have your sights aligned and are ready to shoot.
  3. Do not point the gun at anything or anyone you are not prepared to destroy or kill.
  4. Identify your target and what is behind it. A bullet can pass thru a person or object and continue downrange and strike someone or something.
We know this for certain–Alec Baldwin did not inspect the gun to verify it was unloaded, he pointed the gun at a person he did not want to kill and the round he fired continued downrange and struck the director.

There are two different stories circulating about the fatal wound suffered by Halyna Hutchins. According to a crew source communicating with Jack Posobiec, the bullet struck Halyna in the abdomen, then exited and struck director’s shoulder, who was crouching behind her (this is from Jack’s Telegram channel).

The B-camera operator was on a dolly with a monitor, checking out the potential shots. Hutchins was also looking at the monitor from over the operator’s shoulder, as was the movie’s director, Joel Souza, who was crouching just behind her.
Baldwin removed the gun from its holster once without incident, but the second time he repeated the action, ammunition flew toward the trio around the monitor. The projectile whizzed by the camera operator but penetrated Hutchins near her shoulder, then continued through to Souza. Hutchins immediately fell to the ground as crew members applied pressure to her wound in an attempt to stop the bleeding.
This was not the first incident of unsafe gun handling. The LA Times also reports:
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Baldwin’s stunt double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was “cold” — lingo for a weapon that doesn’t have any ammunition, including blanks, two crew members who witnessed the episode told the Los Angeles Times.
“There should have been an investigation into what happened,” said the crew member. “There were no safety meetings. There was no assurance that it wouldn’t happen again. All they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush.”
A colleague was so alarmed by the prop gun misfires he sent a text message to the unit production manager. “We’ve now had 3 accidental discharges. This is super unsafe,” according to a copy of the message reviewed by The Times.
This was not a “misfire.” A misfire means when you pull the trigger you hear a click but no bang. The ammunition malfunctioned or the firing pin on the pistol is not working properly.

There also is no such thing as an “accidental” discharge. If a firearm is fired unintentionally it is negligence. Gun accidents are caused by only two things–ignorance and/or carelessness. If you are holding a pistol, it will not fire unless you put your finger on the trigger.

A talented cinematographer is dead because at least two people did not follow the fundamental rules of gun safety–Alec Baldwin and the Assistant Director who handed him the firearm with live ammunition loaded. Then there are questions to be answered by the armorer (the guy or gal in charge of insuring the firearms and ammunition are properly stored when not in use and properly loaded with blank ammunition) and the person in charge of props.

The worst thing you can do when handling a gun of any kind is to assume it is unloaded and safe. It is that kind of negligence that gets innocent people killed. That’s what happened in New Mexico to this poor woman.
UPDATE:

Based on a picture posted at the New York Post, Baldwin was using a single action revolver.
A gun similar to the one that was used on set.
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Rule NUMBER ONE: ALL GUNS ARE LOADED ALL THE TIME!! Even after you check it and know it's not loaded you should treated it as if it was loaded.....PERIOD!

Rule NUMBER TWO: NEVER POINT A GUN AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T WANT KILLED OR DESTROYED!

Rule NUMBER THREE: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOU ARE PREPARED TO FIRE, KNOW WHAT YOUR SHOOTING AT and WHAT'S BEHIND IT!

Rule NUMBER FOUR: refer to rule number one, two and three!!

Rule NUMBER FIVE: If you don't know what you're doing....DON'T TOUCH THE DAMN GUN...EVER!
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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It will be very interesting to see if the local LEO has the fortitude to actually file criminal charges.

There is no getting around this. A homicide occurred.

Then it will be highly interesting seeing these Hollywood wannabees scrambling for legal cover. And then the media floundering around trying to provide cover while being willfully ignorant of firearm safety.

Especially Alec Baldwin. He is a veteran actor who has used firearms in his movies numerous times in the past. The protocol for firearm use is firmly established.

Most importantly, Alec Baldwin was the co-producer for this movie. As a producer, he has the ultimate responsibility for the health and safety of everyone involved.
 

Knoxville's Joker

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He will walk free of charges, and turn right around and demand the rest of us lose our gun rights, you know because guns are dangerous, that's how these snakes roll:o

He was setup. What will happen is that they will figure out who changed the ammo and once it ties to something intentional this whole case will get buried if the woo ties on this get confirmed...
 

changed

Preferred pronouns: dude/bro
I'm curious if the gun was loaded in the dark am. Still, a professional should know the difference....
 

Knoxville's Joker

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Still wouldn't explain WHY there were LIVE rounds for those old wheel guns anywhere on that set. They would NEVER use/need them.
They used live rounds in aliens on prop aliens. They have a place but extreme safety protocols are followed. That did not happen here but as stated.

The actor trusted someone else's word and did not verify themselves. This was standard industry practice, however, the staff walk off should have modified behaviors...
 

Babs

Veteran Member

"The cinematographer who was shot and killed by actor Alec Baldwin with a prop gun on Thursday was married to a corporate lawyer employed by a law firm involved in defending an attorney who worked with the 2016 campaign of Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.


Matt Hutchins, the husband of Halyna Hutchins who died shortly after she was shot by Baldwin, is employed in the Los Angeles office of Latham & Watkins, the law firm representing Michael Sussmann, who was charged in mid-September by special counsel John Durham with one count of lying to the FBI.


Matt Hutchins joined the law firm earlier this year after serving as an in-house attorney at an entertainment company and practiced at Kirkland & Ellis and Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom, according to his LinkedIn profile, Reuters reported."
 

Vegas321

Live free and survive
Soooooo, who was behind the loaded gun, was it:

A. Union issues
B. Disgruntled employee
C. Stupid employee
E. Film critic
F. The Clinton's
G. CIA
H. MI6
I. Mrs. Peacock with a candle stick in the kitchen
J. Brandon
All of them...
 

Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
All of them...

The problem now is we have social media. WE HERE have made the connections. This can not be buried that easily anymore. Now here is another monkey wrench. What if this will get used to remove the rights of unions to walk out or make all union employees complicit in homicides and safety incidents if they occur after a walk off?

To destroy the rest of the middle class they have to dismantle the unions. This could be pushed to do that. They are not that smart to use this as such an opportunity.

I really do think though that this may, may, be accidental but in all actuality someone is liable. Who how and why is the woo and the conspiracy.
 

Repairman-Jack

Veteran Member
Baldwin's finger pulled the trigger. If he'd taken a few seconds to doublecheck it, none of this would be an issue.

And yes, if someone put a live round into the weapon to cause problems, they are also culpable, but that doesn't take away Baldwin's responsibility to make sure the gun he was firing was, indeed, cold.

Staffer who 'gave Alec gun' worked on sequel to The Crow where star was shot
  • 0:45 ET, Oct 23 2021
  • Updated: 0:45 ET, Oct 23 2021
THE assistant director who reportedly handed Alec Baldwin a loaded gun that led to the fatal shooting on the Rust film set worked on the sequel to The Crow, where Brandon Lee was killed.
Assistant director Dave Halls grabbed a gun from a cart an armorer had placed it on and handed it to the actor, believing that it was unloaded, according to a search warrant filed as part of the ongoing investigation.
Actor Brandon Lee was killed on the 1993 set of The Crow
Actor Brandon Lee was killed on the 1993 set of The CrowCredit: Rex
Assistant director Dave Halls believed the gun he gave Baldwin was 'cold,' according to a warrant'cold,' according to a warrant
Assistant director Dave Halls believed the gun he gave Baldwin was 'cold,' according to a warrantCredit: Twitter/Dave Halls
Halls even told Baldwin the weapon was "cold," according to the warrant.
In an ironic twist, Halls also worked on The Crow: Salvation, the sequel to the 1993 film The Crow, where actor Brandon Lee was tragically killed in a similar gun mishap.
Lee, the son of martial arts legend Bruce Lee, died at age 28 after being hit by a .44-caliber slug while filming a death scene for the movie.
In that incident, a prop gun that was supposed to fire a blank let off a live round, killing the actor.
After Thursday's accident, Lee's family took to social media to send condolences for cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, who was killed, and director Joel Souza, who was injured in the shooting.
“Our hearts go out to the family of Halyna Hutchins and to Joel Souza and all involved in the incident on ‘Rust,’” the family tweeted from an account dedicated to Lee. “No one should ever be killed by a gun on a film set. Period.”
The gun that Baldwin fired on Thursday was also loaded with live rounds.
Halls is a veteran of the film industry, having worked as an assistant director on major productions like Fargo, The Matrix Reloaded, and Reno 911.
Read our Alec Baldwin shooting live blog for the very latest news and updates...
The gun Halls picked up was reportedly one of three laid on a cart by the film's armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed.
It's not clear at this time how many rounds were fired.
Gutierrez-Reed, 24, is the daughter of longtime film industry armorer, Thell Reed. She said in a recent podcast interview that she had trained from a young age.
She also said that she had recently completed her first job as a head armorer on a film called The Old Way, starring Nicolas Cage.
The gun that went off and other prop guns and ammunition were taken in as evidence, as well as Alec's blood-stained costume, the warrant says.
PREVIOUS SAFETY COMPLAINTS ON SET
According to the accounts of people familiar with the Rust set, Thursday's deadly accident was not the first time there were safety issues at the New Mexico film location, Deadline reports.
At least one previous incident involved a prop weapon misfiring, one source told the outlet.
"A gun had two misfires in a closed cabin," the source said. "They just fired loud pops - a person was just holding it in their hands and it went off."
One worker wrote that the team was replaced by "four non-union guys."
An unnamed prop master who oversaw the gun used in the shooting was a non-union employee who was "just brought in" to replace workers who left, a source told The New York Post.
It's unclear at this time if Gutierrez-Reed was a recent addition to the production.
However, a link on her Instagram profile leads to an article about Rust that was published in May, suggesting she may have been part of the team early on.
BALDWIN ISSUES STATEMENT
Baldwin, 63, issued a statement after the incident mourning Halyna, 42, and confirming that he was cooperating with the police investigation.
"There are no words to convey my shock and sadness regarding the tragic accident that took the life of Halyna Hutchins, a wife, mother, and deeply admired colleague of ours," he wrote.
"I'm fully cooperating with the police investigation to address how this tragedy occurred and I am in touch with her husband, offering my support to him and his family.
"My heart is broken for her husband, their son, and all who knew and loved Halyna."
Baldwin was quizzed by cops following the accident and was snapped sobbing outside a local police station in Santa Fe, New Mexico, according to local media reports.
Halyna Hutchins was killed in the on-set shooting
Halyna Hutchins was killed in the on-set shootingCredit: Getty
Baldwin was reportedly told the gun was empty
Baldwin was reportedly told the gun was emptyCredit: Instagram/ Alec Baldwin
Brandon Lee's family issued a statement after Hutchins' death's family issued a statement after Hutchins' death
Brandon Lee's family issued a statement after Hutchins' deathCredit: Getty
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Article seems a bit of a stretch, so the asst director worked on the sub-par sequel to the movie Lee was killed on...not sure where they are going with that...also it wasn't a live round, it was a blank and there was a squib round lodged in the barrel.
 

TidesofTruth

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Trevor Sutcliffe
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If you were an actor, would you trust that a gun this person (Hannah Gutierrez Reed) was responsible for as armsmaster was unloaded before pointing it at somebody and pulling the trigger, especially after there had been 3 prior negligent discharges on the exact same movie set?


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I don't trust my adult children who have been personally one on one safety trained by LEO on firearm safety and routinely takes training with an alphabet. I don't trusty my preacher my lawyer or my wife. I don't trust myself. Check, Check and recheck. I do it nightly.
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
He was setup. What will happen is that they will figure out who changed the ammo and once it ties to something intentional this whole case will get buried if the woo ties on this get confirmed...

It is STILL Alec's responsibility to ensure that one....the gun was safe and....two, not pointed at anyone. He's still ULTIMATELY accountable and responsible for what happened. No excuses and no free rides. And yes I think there was something sinister going on. There is ABSOLUTELY no excuse for having a loaded round on the film set! EVER!!
 

Knoxville's Joker

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It is STILL Alec's responsibility to ensure that one....the gun was safe and....two, not pointed at anyone. He's still ULTIMATELY accountable and responsible for what happened. No excuses and no free rides. And yes I think there was something sinister going on. There is ABSOLUTELY no excuse for having a loaded round on the film set! EVER!!

The film industry has set procedures that takes away accountability on some of this. They get lax after a big incident that occurs once every few years as they have to be reminded of responsibility on this stuff.
 

Kayak

Adrenaline Junkie
The film industry has set procedures that takes away accountability on some of this. They get lax after a big incident that occurs once every few years as they have to be reminded of responsibility on this stuff.

According to a couple of actors who've spoken up, those procedures include the person who hands the gun over physically showing the actor that the gun is either empty or has blanks (or dummies), and allowing anyone else in the scene to look at it as well, but the actor who will receive it is always shown the status.

Clearly, Baldwin didn't insist he be shown. Even if he didn't know how to check (and it's a revolver, so this isn't rocket science), he should have had the person telling him it was cold SHOW him it was empty.
 

Knoxville's Joker

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According to a couple of actors who've spoken up, those procedures include the person who hands the gun over physically showing the actor that the gun is either empty or has blanks (or dummies), and allowing anyone else in the scene to look at it as well, but the actor who will receive it is always shown the status.

Clearly, Baldwin didn't insist he be shown. Even if he didn't know how to check (and it's a revolver, so this isn't rocket science), he should have had the person telling him it was cold SHOW him it was empty.

So by what you say the safety issue the union left over could have been just due to the core bad safety behavior by alec.
 

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Imo, someone took the gun off set so they could maybe pinch off a few shots with an antique pistol to see what it was like. Someone left a bullet in the chamber by mistake before it was returned to the storage locker.
 
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