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Jubilee on Earth

Jubilee on Earth

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To stand against the jab is tough for those of us who have known people die. I’ve known two, but they were both diabetic with other comorbidities. I don’t think any of us knew Minky’s state of health, and if we did, it is not our place to discuss.

I told my husband today that God forbid if I happened to come down with it and succumb, he needs to not feel any guilt or wonder or lamenting about the fact that I refused the vaccine. I fought for something I believed in… my sovereign rights as a citizen of this once great country under the Constitution. If the good Lord decides He wants me, then that was His plan. Me not getting the jab did not change His plan, not disrupt it, nor impede it. I understood the risks, just like I do every day when I get into a box of steel and drive 75 mph down the highway, or get on a flight at 32,000 feet in the air across the country, or hike alone in the woods without a soul around. The risk of death is always there no matter what. And I will not live in fear or give into the plan of fear.

He understood. And I’m glad.
 
Ragnarok

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Because the vaccines don't work as a vaccine and the vaccinated a much more dangerous as they are acting as incubators. In reality, it is the unvaccinated who are being put at risk.


‘Leaky’ Vaccines Can Produce Stronger Versions of Viruses
“When a vaccine works perfectly, as do the childhood vaccines for smallpox, polio, mumps, rubella and measles, it prevents vaccinated individuals from being sickened by the disease, and it also prevents them from transmitting the virus to others,” said Andrew Read, an author of the study and an Evan Pugh professor of biology and entomology and Eberly professor in biotechnology at Penn State University

These less-than-perfect vaccines create a “leaky” barrier against the virus. Vaccinated individuals may get sick but have less severe symptoms, but the virus survives long enough to transmit to others, which allows it to survive and spread throughout a population.

“Our research demonstrates that the use of leaky vaccines can promote the evolution of nastier ‘hot’ viral strains that put unvaccinated individuals at greater risk”
‘Leaky’ Vaccines Can Produce Stronger Versions of Viruses



From what they are telling us on MSM about how you can still catch COVID and pass it to others and that the vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching COVID it just lowers the severity of the disease. The COVID vaccines are obviously the very definition of "leaky".



An imperfect vaccine reduces pathogen virulence
Leaky vaccines prevent the development of disease symptoms, but do not protect against infection and the onwards transmission of pathogens, which has been a concern because the consequences for unvaccinated contact individuals are unknown
An imperfect vaccine reduces pathogen virulence - Nature Reviews Microbiology

Pathogen transmission from vaccinated hosts can cause dose-dependent reduction in virulence
Many livestock and human vaccines are leaky because they block symptoms but do not prevent infection or onward transmission. This leakiness is concerning because it increases vaccination coverage required to prevent disease spread and can promote evolution of increased pathogen virulence. Despite leakiness, vaccination may reduce pathogen load, affecting disease transmission dynamics. However, the impacts on post-transmission disease development and infectiousness in contact individuals are unknown.

Leaky vaccines are commonly used to prevent or alleviate disease symptoms in livestock and are becoming more prevalent among human vaccines. Leakiness allows pathogen populations to persist even at high levels of vaccination coverage, and reduced mortality of vaccinated individuals can lengthen their infectious period and hence promote the evolution of increased pathogen virulence. A better understanding of the overall impacts on populations of vaccination with leaky vaccines is therefore urgently needed.
Pathogen transmission from vaccinated hosts can cause dose-dependent reduction in virulence

Leaky Vaccines Enhance Spread of Deadlier Viruses
The vaccine protects from developing disease, but doesn’t stop them from becoming infected or from spreading the virus. Inadvertently, this made it easier for the most virulent strains to survive. Such strains would normally kill their hosts so quickly that they’d die out
Leaky Vaccines Enhance Spread of Deadlier Chicken Viruses

Massachusetts General Hospital: Dr. Darwin and the Leaky Vaccine
Andrew F. Read of Penn State is one of the more outspoken voices in the field of evolutionary medicine, an emerging specialty that urges medical researchers to account for the forces of evolution in their work. Some of Read’s own research, for instance, looks at the growing problem of antibiotic resistance. Antibiotics kill some germs but allow others to survive, reproduce and emerge as new drug-resistant strains. That sequence of events is a classic exhibition of natural selection at work.

In a controversial 2001 paper in Nature, Read applied similar thinking to vaccines, which work by training the immune system to identify and destroy a specific pathogen. If a vaccine is only partially effective, he argued, it may protect the recipient from disease but allow the pathogen to replicate in the host’s body, which could then spread to unvaccinated populations. At the time, the idea that such evolution could be driven by “leaky” vaccines was only theoretical. But in a paper published last July in PLoS Biology, Read and several colleagues said they have confirmed the idea in a study involving Rhode Island Red chickens.

Read’s group looked at whether a vaccine for Marek’s disease, a condition specific to chickens, created an evolutionary condition that enabled virulent strains to thrive. They infected different groups of chicks—some that had been vaccinated and some that hadn’t—with the most lethal strains of Marek’s disease. Unvaccinated birds died within 10 days. Most vaccinated chicks, meanwhile, survived the infection for 30 days or more. But because the vaccines didn’t make them virus-free, the vaccinated chicks transmitted a great deal of lethal germs through shed feathers, which quickly infected and killed unvaccinated chickens nearby. The experiment suggests that a leaky vaccine can cause recipients to become incubators and carriers of dangerous strains.

Read stresses that vaccines for common diseases such as measles, mumps and polio don’t leak, since they mimic natural immunity, which lasts a lifetime. (Why others leak is harder to say, he adds.) And Read is quick to note that he is strongly in favor of immunization and the advantages it confers to those vaccinated. Those who falsely link childhood vaccinations to autism and other diseases have dampened legitimate conversations, he says. “The fear of risks in the public is leading to a fear of discussion about the risks [of vaccines] in the scientific community,” says Read, “and I think that’s bad all around.”
Dr. Darwin and the Leaky Vaccine

Virology: the problem with ‘leaky’ vaccines
Fresh evidence supports the theory that some vaccines lead to the evolution of more virulent viral strains
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Kathy in FL

Kathy in FL

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It is rude as hell to to make some of the assumptions that are being made. We could just as easily wonder if someone gets the jab would they have gotten a complication from it and died.

I've known people that got both jabs and they're dying from covid19 as I type this. And they were infected by someone that was vaccinated.

There are no guarantees in this life ... or with covid19.
 
WTSR

WTSR

Veteran Member
Dennis Olson said:
Have been for over a year.

Explain that statement.

I have freedom of decision whether or not to jump off a cliff. If I choose to jump off that cliff, I die today. If I choose to NOT jump off the cliff, I live today.



Matthew 4:1-11

New International Version

4 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’[b]”

5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:

“‘He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’[c]”

7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[d]”

8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[e]”
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Make no mistake, these are the times that will challenge men's souls.

At least the Devil gave him a CHOICE, and did not force him off the cliff like a buffalo.
 
Countrymouse

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Night Breeze said:
Could it be that vaccinated people can and do spread the virus from taking the vaccine as opposed to spreading the virus after being exposed by airborne transmission person to person?
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Yes---

since this NOT-a-true-vaccine 'works' NOT by putting weakened or dead coronavirus INTO the body, for your OWN immunes system to then rev up and create anitbodies for-------------instead, it MODIFIES the mRNA to give instructions to Each Cell in Your Body to MAKE -- to MANUFACTURE-- the corona virus--and THEN your immune system is supposed to jump up and recognize this "foreign" body and rev up to fight it.

YOUR OWN CELLS ARE RE-PROGRAMMED TO MANUFACTURE THE VIRUS INSIDE YOU.

Works 'fairly' well the FIRST go-round, against the first variant of Covid which was the one your cells were re-programmed to produce.

But the SECOND time you are exposed--to a slightly DIFFERENT version--

Your immune cells rev up to "kill! kill! kill!" ALL corona-virus--- but then---suddenly the white blood cells realize that they HAVEN"T killed all the "invading" virus---because here it is HERE, inside this lung cell----and here it is HERE, inside this heart cell-----and here---and here---and HERE---and HERE.........

And pretty soon you're in full cytokine storm.

That is exactly what the former VP of Pfizer, and Celeste Solem, Dr. Vanden Bossche , Professor Dolores Cahill, and numerous others had said would happen.

It is happening now.
 
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summerthyme

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Jubilee on Earth said:
To stand against the jab is tough for those of us who have known people die. I’ve known two, but they were both diabetic with other comorbidities. I don’t think any of us knew Minky’s state of health, and if we did, it is not our place to discuss.

I told my husband today that God forbid if I happened to come down with it and succumb, he needs to not feel any guilt or wonder or lamenting about the fact that I refused the vaccine. I fought for something I believed in… my sovereign rights as a citizen of this once great country under the Constitution. If the good Lord decides He wants me, then that was His plan. Me not getting the jab did not change His plan, not disrupt it, nor impede it. I understood the risks, just like I do every day when I get into a box of steel and drive 75 mph down the highway, or get on a flight at 32,000 feet in the air across the country, or hike alone in the woods without a soul around. The risk of death is always there no matter what. And I will not live in fear or give into the plan of fear.

He understood. And I’m glad.
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Thankfully, mine gets it as well. My primary care quack, however... well, not about the vax. No one in this area of central-northern NY is pushing the vax at all, despite Cuomo's bullshit. But every other test! OMG! I thought she was gonna stroke out!

I told her that I feel it's a slap in God's face to essentially say, "hey, I feel good! I think I'll go run a bunch of tests and find out if something might be wrong somewhere!" She doesn't understand "not getting all possible info"... I believe we are capable of finding more "info" than we know how to actually handle. (The numerous men who have undergone biopsies and all sorts of invasive treatment for prostate cancer that was "indolent" and unlikely to ever cause symptoms are just one example.)

LIVE LIFE! Don't live in fear!

Summerthyme
 
Dennis Olson

Dennis Olson

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Wiley said:
This isn't right. Please don't use Minky's death for arguments on either side, show respect for her passing.
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They cant help it. Both sides are almost hysterical in their adamancy. Both will reference her death, and shout “SEE??? I TOLD YOU SO!” It sucks, but there it is.
WTSR said:
Make no mistake, these are the times that will challenge men's souls.
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You better believe it! We’ll be tearing at each other over this permanently, both sides engaging in ever-increasing histrionics. IRL, families are being torn apart over it and there are physical fights between both friends and strangers. There is no “meeting someone half way” on this. It’s life-or-death. That’s how both sides see it.
 
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Nich1

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WTSR said:
At least the Devil gave him a CHOICE, and did not force him off the cliff like a buffalo.
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This is a total misunderstanding of Scripture. Do you really think satan was in charge and giving Jesus a choice? Absolutely not. "He could've called 10,000 angels..." as the song and Scripture tell us. No, Jesus was born to die on the cross for the sins of the entire world and nothing was going to deter Him from that task. He was willing to accept the will of the Father. How many times did He say, "Not my will but thine." This pathetic offering from satan meant nothing as he didn't own the kingdoms of the world to give!
 
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Weft and Warp

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SmithJ said:
But they are not dying. And most are not even hospitalized.
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I'm sorry, that's what we're being told but that is not what I personally know to be true. I lost a dear friend just 2 weeks ago to covid. Yes, he was older in age (late 80's), but he was also fully vaccinated. He had no other comorbidities (other than his age) and he had been active and healthy for his age. I believe as time goes on, we'll hear of more cases like this... that is, if the media will report it.
 
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CaryC

CaryC

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raven said:
the point is "no one knows"
there is uncertainty at every level.
people who had the jab are still getting the corona
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IMO that is exactly that.

1) you don't know before you take the jab if you will be one of the ones it kills
2) you don't know before you take the jab if you will be one of the ones that has an allergic reaction either mild or severe.
3) you don't know before you take the jab if you will be one of the ones that will come down with covid and die after you take it, or be sick either from the jab, or the virus.

Those are things you can't know ahead of time.

I have nothing against those who take the jab. it's fine with me if you want one. I only suggest you still need to be responsible for your heath, and be cautious when out and about.

And I would say the same thing to the unvaxxed.

If every one would take responsibility for their own health, then IMHO super spreaders would be a non-issue.

IN MS the numbers were down under a hundred a day a couple of weeks ago. Now they are over 1200 everyday. Believe the numbers, don't believe the numbers, BUT you can't deny the patients in the hospital with covid. They are full again and are re-implementing the covid protocol.

Why, how did this happen? Everyone relaxed their precautions when they relaxed the mask mandates, or thought they were immune with the jab.
 
CaryC

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
0351SemperFi said:
Great news for anyone in the the great state of Arkansas who is still on the fence regarding the jab!
Arkansas is now offering….eh….”bribing” the populace with potential benefits for rolling up your sleeve.


-option #1 a $20 lottery ticket with the chance of winning 1mil.

option #2 $20 worth if gift certificates with AG&FC

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Winning the lottery, have a better chance of being struck by lightening. The House loses nothing, the better does.
 
Dennis Olson

Dennis Olson

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Nich1 said:
This is a total misunderstanding of Scripture. Do you really think satan was in charge and giving Jesus a choice? Absolutely not. "He could've called 10,000 angels..." as the song and Scripture tell us. No, Jesus was born to die on the cross for the sins of the entire world and nothing was going to deter Him from that task. He was willing to accept the will of the Father. How many times did He say, "Not my will but thine." This pathetic offering from satan meant nothing as he didn't own the kingdoms of the world to give!
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First, this is a perfect example of why Scripture quotes aren’t allowed on secular threads. Immediate drift into Biblical/theological discussion, and the original topic is abandoned. I had thought that my quote would illustrate the vax/no vax issue. Silly me. I guess I’ll have to infract myself. Secondarily, satan definitely “hoped” to pull Jesus away. Else why bother? The devil is nothing if not arrogant.

CaryC said:
1) you don't know before you take the jab if you will be one of the ones it kills
2) you don't know before you take the jab if you will be one of the ones that has an allergic reaction either mild or severe.
3) you don't know before you take the jab if you will be one of the ones that will come down with covid and die after you take it, or be sick either from the jab, or the virus.
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4) You don’t know whether or not your heart will stop 5 beats from now and you drop dead. EVERY MOMENT OF LIFE IS A CRAPSHOOT. EVERY BREATH SHOULD BE THOUGHT OF AS A GIFT.
 
Dennis Olson

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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#1 oldskool said:
How do we even 'know' if she had covid ? CDC admits, and are stopping the PCR test, because it can't differentiate between covid and the flu. Humans have been dieing of influenza, since the beginning.
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Why don’t you fly out there and demand a blood sample from her body? I’m sue they wouldn’t be offended, with your medical degree and all.
 
#1 oldskool

#1 oldskool

"You finally really did it. You maniacs!
I will rely on the blood sample that you are basing your knowledge on .............lol
 
CaryC

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Dennis Olson said:
4) You don’t know whether or not your heart will stop 5 beats from now and you drop dead. EVERY MOMENT OF LIFE IS A CRAPSHOOT. EVERY BREATH SHOULD BE THOUGHT OF AS A GIFT.
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While no doubt that is true.........

One can also make it happen much, much sooner, when you don't consider the gift.
 
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Nich1

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Dennis Olson said:
First, this is a perfect example of why Scripture quotes aren’t allowed on secular threads. Immediate drift into Biblical/theological discussion, and the original topic is abandoned.
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Yes, I know "the rules." But, as you mention, since it was your post, I was responding. Thank you for acknowledging the origin.
 
Mprepared

Mprepared

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Nich1 said:
This is a total misunderstanding of Scripture. Do you really think satan was in charge and giving Jesus a choice? Absolutely not. "He could've called 10,000 angels..." as the song and Scripture tell us. No, Jesus was born to die on the cross for the sins of the entire world and nothing was going to deter Him from that task. He was willing to accept the will of the Father. How many times did He say, "Not my will but thine." This pathetic offering from satan meant nothing as he didn't own the kingdoms of the world to give!
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Agree. Only came to die and at the right time. I love this verse -
As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

He could have killed all of them then.
 
Mprepared

Mprepared

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#1 oldskool said:
How do we even 'know' if she had covid ? CDC admits, and are stopping the PCR test, because it can't differentiate between covid and the flu. Humans have been dieing of influenza, since the beginning.
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I am not talking about Minky here just something I noticed about testing for flu. A couple of days ago I said they were not testing for influenza and now I am noticing both tests mentioned. Influenza negative, COVID negative. I am wondering if this has to do with CDC saying about the change in the way they test and all the talk that they are worried about the flu season. Anyway, some people sick coughing and fever, but testing negative for COVID and influenza. It will be interesting if I start seeing Tamiflu being prescribed. I have not typed the word Tamiflu in a long time.
 
barbarossa58

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raven said:
and six months after the corona outbreak
they said a vaccine was coming.
and in spite of the announcement coming from Trump
I was skeptical because everyone knows it takes almost a generation to develop a vaccine.
so, I decided to keep doing what I was doing and wait while I watched friends and associates jump on the band wagon
because the vaccine provided freedom . . . freedom from masks and social distancing.

but I did not have to wait long
as reports of people dropping dead within minutes and hours of receiving the vax
not a huge number of people but enough to make me wary.

and then reports of people getting blood clots resulting in permanent disabilities
not a huge number of people but enough to make me concerned.

and then the reports of people who had been vaccinated coming down with breakthrough corona
not a huge number but enough.

and then the government removed the last remaining justification for the vaccine
by reinstating the masks and social distancing.

but they will not admit that the vax does not provide the features and functionality as defined
instead they place the blame on the poor guy who did not believe any of their bullshit right off the bat.
and they call it science
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Hasn't that damn curve been stomped on, beaten with a bat, hell; it ain't flat yet ?...
 
vector7

vector7

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SmithJ

SmithJ

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summerthyme said:
Better reread the Israeli statistics. The EXACT SAME ratio of vaccinated/unvaccinated (14% UNvaccinated, IIRC) in the general population is in the hospital.

They said more unvaxxed are on vents, BUT... more vaxxed are DYING.

Don't scream at me- it's their numbers.

Summerthyme
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I'd like to see a link to those numbers?

While death statistics classified by vax status in Israel are difficult to find, there have only been a TOTAL of 9 covid deaths in Israel in the last week so.......

If you want statistics, heres one straight from a doctor on the ground: "Eran Segal, a scientist at Israel’s Weizmann Institute of Science who tracks COVID-19 data, tweeted on July 16 that the percent of COVID-19 patients who become critically ill has now decreased to 1.6% compared to 4% during a winter spike before vaccines were available. "

Thats a 60% drop in your chance of being "critically ill"
 
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SmithJ

SmithJ

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Of course, most here will not believe it but:

Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated (apnews.com)

An Associated Press analysis of available government data from May shows that “breakthrough” infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for fewer than 1,200 of more than 107,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations. That’s about 1.1%.

And only about 150 of the more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May were in fully vaccinated people. That translates to about 0.8%, or five deaths per day on average.

The AP analyzed figures provided by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The CDC itself has not estimated what percentage of hospitalizations and deaths are in fully vaccinated people, citing limitations in the data.

Among them: Only about 45 states report breakthrough infections, and some are more aggressive than others in looking for such cases. So the data probably understates such infections, CDC officials said.

Still, the overall trend that emerges from the data echoes what many health care authorities are seeing around the country and what top experts are saying.

Earlier this month, Andy Slavitt, a former adviser to the Biden administration on COVID-19, suggested that 98% to 99% of the Americans dying of the coronavirus are unvaccinated.

And CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said on Tuesday that the vaccine is so effective that “nearly every death, especially among adults, due to COVID-19, is, at this point, entirely preventable.” She called such deaths “particularly tragic.”
 
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