WAR trouble brewing again in ukraine

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Putin's annexation goals are clear on the map. West to kiev, with the river as the boundry, all along the coastline to Moldavia and odessa. Leave some SCRAPS for the neo nazis west and north of kiev. Stick a nuke up biden's and NATO'S ass if they complain. Putin meeting with his war council today.
Alfaman, looks like biden gets to build kiev's new airport on the WEST side of the dniester?:sheep:
 

danielboon

TB Fanatic
Putin's annexation goals are clear on the map. West to kiev, with the river as the boundry, all along the coastline to Moldavia and odessa. Leave some SCRAPS for the neo nazis west and north of kiev. Stick a nuke up biden's and NATO'S ass if they complain. Putin meeting with his war council today.
Alfaman, looks like biden gets to build kiev's new airport on the WEST side of the dniester?:sheep:
Biden is to busy drinking :kaid:
 

jward

passin' thru
I suspect the policies and actions, stated and otherwise, make more ssense if one remembers that "the US" is being run by the triumvirate who illegally installed themselves in office. Their interests are to further weaken and dismantle the current asset distribution, and the scant stability left to the society, and thereby garner more chunks of the pie for themselves and their buddies.
..in this vein, lil of what they do is surprising imho.

Doubt Putin will be having that.

Maybe Russia will overthrow the Mexican government and set up .mil bases there.
Oh wait, that's our behavior.

I sure don't understand the US determination to provoke war.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Um Gang, let Doomer Doug make ON THING CRYSTAL CLEAR TO QUOTE TRICKY DICKY FROM YESTERYEAR.

The Ukraine will NEVER, REPEAT NEVER, be a member of NATO. It ain't going to happen and if NATO is STUPID enough to try and make Ukraine, RUSSIA'S PRIME MILITARY BUFFER zone, a part of NATO, Putin will NUKE THE F$%%^^^^ :poop: shit out of the EU, NATO, CONUS etc etc

It looks like the war has been delayed, but not ended. I will remind you all, Daniel and PJ of one thing very much on the Russians and Putin's mind this June.

June 22nd, 1941 was the launch of Operation Barbarossa, Hitler's invasion of Russia. This is the 80th anniversary of this attack that killed 20 to 50 million Russians, depending on your sources.

Does ANYBODY think Putin will tolerate Ukraine as a military force allowing NATO forces, supplies, bases and likely nuclear missiles on the Russian Ukraine border? Seriously?

My new go date is June 22nd, or any part of May given the new "make Ukraine a part of NATO" drivel.

Yep, Russia will indeed take this as a war warning and will take, to use the Antifa term "DIRECT ACTION."
Left a message in the chat room Daniel.
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic
Ukraine, Baltics, Poland leaders meet on Polish holiday
Lithuania’s president has said that his country will never accept Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea from Ukraine and Moscow’s military pressure on eastern Ukraine, or the Kremlin’s attempts to influence Belarus

By MONIKA SCISLOWSKA Associated Press
3 May 2021, 06:48

WARSAW, Poland -- Lithuania's president said Monday that his country will never accept Russia's 2014 annexation of Crimea from Ukraine and Moscow's military pressure on eastern Ukraine, or the Kremlin's attempts to influence Belarus.

President Gitanas Nauseda was in Warsaw addressing a remote session of Poland's and Lithuania's parliaments marking the 230th anniversary of their joint constitution, Europe's first such written democratic document.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and the presidents of Latvia and Estonia — countries on the European Union’s border with Russia and Belarus — were also among the guests at the ceremonies in Warsaw.


“Lithuania will never recognize the illegal annexation of Crimea and will be taking steps toward ending the actual occupation of part of eastern Ukraine,” Nauseda said. “Whatever happens, we cannot allow Ukraine to slide back into the past.”

He also said Lithuania backs the freedom drive in neighboring Belarus and will never allow it to be influenced by Moscow.

“There is no room in the Europe of the 21st century for new areas of influence that negate the sovereignty of independent countries," Nauseda said.

During a later televised debate among the presidents, Poland's Andrzej Duda assured Zelenskyy it was also Warsaw's view that Russia's actions in Ukraine “must not be accepted.”

Zelenskyy, who is to meet with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken this week in Kyiv, said that the war against Moscow-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine means that “there is war in Europe.”

“No one today will give up our sovereignty. We are fighting ... because we want to be free,” Zelenskyy said.

Following one-on-one talks with Duda, Zelenskyy thanked Poland for its strong support for Ukraine's territorial integrity and condemnation of Crimea's annexation.

Zelenskyy said he invited Duda to ceremonies in August marking 30 years of Ukraine's independence and to the accompanying meeting of state leaders that is to discuss the “de-occupation of Crimea."

During the presidents' debate Monday on the European Union and the pandemic, Zelenskyy said that Ukraine, which is aspiring to one day join the club, said it has not yet received any of the promised COVID-19 vaccines from the EU.

He said only 1 million people in his nation of more than 44 million have been immunized.

The five presidents signed a declaration stressing that solidarity among nations is the basis for peace, stability and development in today's world.

Poland’s 1791 Constitution was intended to strengthen its political system and rule of law and protect it against aggression from neighboring powers, including Russia. Historians say the effort came too late, and failed to avert annexations by the Russian, Prussian and Austrian empires that in 1795 wiped Poland from maps for more than a century.

Poland and neighboring Lithuania were one state at the time of the 18th-century constitution.

Ukraine, Baltics, Poland leaders meet on Polish holiday - ABC News (go.com)
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
oh Putin must be pissing in his pants now that Lithuania is going to make him give up the Crimea. :prfl:
Do these clowns even realize how brain dead they appear to anybody with an IQ above single digits? I mean can't they even count tanks for God's sake? Little outnumbered there ain't we?
 

jward

passin' thru
Russia’s Soft Takeover Of Belarus Completes Anti-NATO Military Buffer
By Sarah White
May 01, 2021




(Vadim Grishankin/Russian Defense Ministry Press Service via AP)

After protracted domestic unrest in 2020 in the form of massive protests attempting to oust Belarus’ president Alyaksandr Lukashenka, the country’s government is teetering on the verge of collapse. Moscow has rushed in to fill the vacuum. Lukashenka has suddenly fallen in line with Moscow’s agenda, despite years of resistance to encroaching Russian economic influence. Now it is probable that Russia is facilitating a soft takeover of the former Soviet republic.

This week, NATO was alarmed at an announcement by Belarus’ defense ministry that a tank battalion would be moved near the border with Poland. Just a week earlier, there was news of an alarming buildup of Russian tanks on its Crimean border with Ukraine. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov warned NATO that “additional measures” would be taken if troops were sent to aid Ukraine. On April 14 Russia warned the U.S. to stay out of the escalating situation “for its own good.”

Multiple high-level Russian officials (the Kremlin spokesperson, the outgoing Secretary of the Russia-Belarus Union State, and the outgoing Russian ambassador to Belarus) have issued statements denying the existence of plans to, for instance, merge the Russian and Belarussian states or armed forces. Because of these denials, NATO is in a hypervigilance mode of coordinated military activity near the Polish border. Nevertheless, the political situation in Minsk is transparent: Moscow has already deployed new diplomats to Belarus that have strong relationships with Vladimir Putin.

Moscow’s twenty-first-century ambitions to expand its sphere of influence were first tested in 2008 with the invasion of Georgia and then again with the annexation of Crimea from Ukraine in 2014. Since then, Russia has moved into the Donbas region of East Ukraine, where skirmishes between Russian-backed separatist militias and Ukrainian forces have been ongoing. The international community has come to expect an exercise of hard power from Russia.

This time, Russia’s strategy is much subtler than in previous iterations of expansionist acts. What is happening in Belarus amounts to soft aggression against the Belarusian people, who mobilized en masse to force Lukashenka out of office in 2020, and against NATO. The strategy, in this case, involves the movement toward cementing Belarus’ dependence on Russian transport networks, which Lukashenka previously avoided by moving exports through the Baltics. This is a significant sign of the Kremlin establishing economic control.

There are also ideological motives at play in this strategy. As was the case with Western Ukraine, civil society in Belarus has become considerably more pro-European in recent years. Belarusians are also re-examining their country's history from the lens of periods before Belarus was absorbed into the Russian Empire in the late eighteenth century; then, it was part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. This shared history draws a straight line from modern Belarus to modern Poland and Lithuania, both solid NATO members.

According to Warsaw’s Centre for Eastern Studies (OSW), over sixty percent of Belarusians believe their country should draw inspiration from periods when they were not ruled by Russia. Along with those imperial predecessors, a smaller number of respondents pointed at the Belarusian People’s Republic as a relatively positive example of a state that is independent in more than name, despite a brief existence as an anti-Bolshevik entity amid the fallout of the Russian Revolution.
Simultaneously, approval rates for Vladimir Putin in Belarus have been on the decline. A Chatham House poll reported a 34.6 increase in negative viewpoints of the Russian president since the beginning of the August 2020 protests.
Despite the difference in Moscow’s method for seizing control, the consequences will likely be the same as for its other adventures. There is currently a sanctions regime in place in Belarus, imposed by the U.S. and Europe, but no overt military action will follow because of the heavy Russian military presence, as was the case for Georgia, for Crimea, and for Eastern Ukraine.

For Russia’s military, having a presence in Belarus facilitates the creation of an enormous, relatively coherent bulwark against the West, and its position between the Baltics and Poland renders those countries even more accessible. Nor is Belarus far from the already-heavily armed oblast of Kaliningrad, also in the Baltic region.
Ultimately, the U.S. and NATO will have to continue to be vigilant and step up preparations for an outbreak of direct conflict with Russia in Eastern Europe, which is quickly becoming a potential war theater.
They will also have to continue building up defenses and deterrence measures in the region, particularly in Poland, which faces the most pressure on the most fronts from the presence of Russian troops.

Fortunately, that process had been underway prior to the coalescence of Russian forces in Belarus and Ukraine. As the “frontline” state which devotes the required two percent of GDP to NATO defenses, Poland has been gradually shifting its military spending toward increasing preparedness for overt Russian aggression. Poland has acquired both the F-35 fighter and the Patriot air defense system from the U.S., which are used by other NATO countries. The F-35 is especially important in European defense because it collects more intelligence than any other tactical aircraft—and is invisible to Russian radar.

What remains under discussion is whether Poland will also acquire the M1 Abrams tank to replace its 500 or so Russian-made tanks from the Soviet era. Being able to acquire the M1 would immediately alleviate some of the stress that Poland is under to find a replacement for those tanks in the face of the current predicament; Germany has no available Leopard tanks for sale, and Poland has not been able to become part of France and Germany’s Main Battle Tank coalition.
Sarah White is a Senior Research Analyst at Arlington’s Lexington Institute. The views expressed are the author’s own.

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jpigott

Veteran Member
Interesting read:

Putin was not ready to launch a war in the Spring

The widely shared view among some pundits of international politics is that Vladimir Putin was planning to launch a wide scale military operation against Ukraine in spring of 2021.

For example, one of the most renowned military observers, Pavel Felgengauer, went even so far that he “revealed” the Russian General Staff’s ostensibly existing plan of “strategic Cannes” – two deep raids into the core Ukrainian territory: one, in the north-east, a tank incursion from Belgorod via Kharkiv to Zaporizhzhia, and the other, in the south-west, landing troops on the Black Sea shore between Odessa and Nikolaev. Two striking forces were supposed to meet somewhere in the lower Dnieper river region therefore encircling all Ukrainian troops on the Left Bank of the Dnieper. Then, continues Felgengauer, Russian troops would liquidate Ukrainian forces facing Donbass, create Russian-backed quasi-state called Novorossia in Southern Ukraine that had been almost forgotten since 2014, and finally realize a three-decade long dream of the Russian neo-imperialists – establish an unbroken land corridor from Russia via Donbass and Novorossia to Russian-sponsored Transnistria in Moldova.

Then, something in the actual execution of the Putin’s plan went wrong, forcing its abrupt abandonment.

 
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