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US to leave troops in Afghanistan beyond May, 9/11 new goal


by: Associated Press
Posted: Apr 13, 2021 / 10:34 AM MDT / Updated: Apr 13, 2021 / 10:34 AM MDT

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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden has decided to leave American troops in Afghanistan beyond the May 1 deadline negotiated with the Taliban by the Trump administration, and has set the 20th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks as the new goal, U.S. officials said Tuesday

Biden has been hinting for weeks that he was going to let the deadline lapse, and as the days went by it became clear that an orderly withdrawal of the remaining 2,500 troops would be difficult and was unlikely. U.S. officials provided details on Biden’s decision on condition of anonymity, speaking ahead of the announcement. It was first reported by The Washington Post.
His decision risks retaliation by the Taliban on U.S. and Afghan forces, possibly escalating the 20-year war. And it will reignite political division over America’s involvement in what many have called the endless war.

Setting the 9/11 date, however, underscores the reason that American troops were in Afghanistan to begin with — to prevent extremist groups from establishing a foothold in the country again that could be used to launch attacks against the U.S.
In a February 2020 agreement with the administration of President Donald Trump, the Taliban agreed to halt attacks and hold peace talks with the Afghan government, in exchange for a U.S. commitment to a complete withdrawal by May 2021.
Over the past year, U.S. military commanders and defense officials have said that attacks on U.S. troops have largely paused, but they say the Taliban have increased attacks on the Afghans. Commanders have argued that the Taliban have failed to meet the conditions of the peace agreement by continuing attacks on the Afghans and failing to totally cut ties with al-Qaida and other extremist groups.

When Biden entered the White House in January, he was keenly aware of the looming deadline and had time to meet it if he had chosen to do so. He launched a review of the February 2020 agreement shortly after taking office, and has been consulting at length with his defense and military advisers as well as allies.
In recent weeks, it became increasingly clear that he was leaning toward defying the deadline.
“It’s going to be hard to meet the May 1 deadline,” Biden said in late March. “Just in terms of tactical reasons, it’s hard to get those troops out.” Tellingly, he added, “And if we leave, we’re going to do so in a safe and orderly way.”

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jward

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yup. : (



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In a way, Taliban & al-Qaeda and their supporters are going to see the new US withdrawal deadline date (Sept. 11th, the 20th anniversary of 9/11 attacks) for Afghanistan - and not just the withdrawal itself - as a major propaganda victory. The date has been chosen by Biden admin.
 

Housecarl

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As I've pointed out before, you can't "fix" Afghanistan without "fixing" Pakistan. Also though the opinion put forth during the Obama Admin by generals was that they couldn't "kill our way out of Afghanistan", arguably it can be said that their "managing the violence" wasn't the answer either. In point of fact "we" weren't killing enough of the "correct people" in a timely fashion. When the Chinese move in to fill the vacuum, the locals are going to look at the US/NATO time as the "good old days".
 

jward

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Having enough of the globe left to HAVE a vacuum to be filled may prove to be a BCS... but what's this talk of fixing? No one wants to fix anything.

Monetize it. Control it. Profit from it. yes. Fixing just gets in the way of a good grift : (
 

TerryK

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America needs to stop guaranteeing everyone else's security and freedom and start protecting our own.

Any war, where soldiers called to fight, were not yet born when the war started is wrong
We need to either leave or bring total destruction from above on them and then leave.
Shit or get off the pot, 20 years is too damn long.
And that doesn't even count the decades when we were supporting and smuggling stingers in to help our Taliban "friends" fight the Soviets. :shk:
 
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Housecarl

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Having enough of the globe left to HAVE a vacuum to be filled may prove to be a BCS... but what's this talk of fixing? No one wants to fix anything.

Monetize it. Control it. Profit from it. yes. Fixing just gets in the way of a good grift : (

For parts of the plutocracy, yes. But in reality it only kicks the can down the road only so far. As some point even the plutocrats find themselves in the blast zone and nowhere to go. This will happen in part because they assume they are untouchable....
 

Housecarl

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America needs to stop guaranteeing everyone else's security and freedom and start protecting our own.

Any war, where soldiers called to fight, were not yet born when the war started is wrong
We need to either leave or bring total destruction from above on them and then leave.
Shit or get off the pot, 20 years is too damn long.
And that doesn't even count the decades when we were supporting and smuggling stingers in to help our Taliban "friends" fight the Soviets. :shk:

True.
 

jward

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given all those life like robots, I'm not certain that they will suffer the comeuppance usually dealt them -
If only they could kill us off em #s large enough, w/o poisoning the earth and destroying all the infrastructure... hmm :hmm:
 

tiredude

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Biden is paying off China by handing over our capacity to monitor them from the heights.......

doing as he is told.
 

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Afghan towns brace for economic and security upheaval as US bases prepare to close
By J.P. LAWRENCE AND ZUBAIR BABAKARKHAIL | STARS AND STRIPES Published: April 16, 2021

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Children at a cart outside Bagram Airfield, Afghanistan sell items from Meals, Ready to Eat, the food rations issued to U.S. troops, in March 2021. Much of the economy nearby is dependent on what the base discards.

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KABUL, Afghanistan — Over the last 20 years, Bagram and other towns in Afghanistan became dependent on the sprawling U.S. military bases nearby for their economy and their security.
In a few months, they may not have much of either.
The flow of discarded goods from Bagram Airfield slowed to a trickle last year when U.S. troop levels in the country went from 12,000 down to about 2,500. What’s left of that commerce is expected to run out by Sept. 11, the date set for all U.S. and NATO troops to have left the country.

“People are becoming jobless,” said Abdul Shokoor Qudoosi, governor of the district around Bagram Airfield, and “they fear if the Taliban comes again, there will be problems for the people who worked with the Americans.”
People in the towns so readily identified with coalition troops could fall victim to a new wave of violence, said Qudoosi, who recalled the viciousness of battles the Taliban fought around Bagram as they took over the country in the 1990s.
But while the U.S. presence endures, shops outside the base continue selling their dwindling supplies of energy drinks, shampoos, protein bars and other items. Children at a cart hawk items from Meals, Ready to Eat, the food rations issued to U.S. troops. A stick of American beef jerky sells for about 13 cents.

Thousands of Afghan workers once worked on America’s largest base, pumping money into the economy and indirectly affecting nearly every person in the district, Qudoosi said.
But the boom times are over. Business crashed about eight months ago, said Shaiq Ghafouri, a 16-year-old shopkeeper outside the base. His customers cannot afford to buy much and his sales are one-fifth of what they were before.

A certificate from U.S. troops to an Afghan shopkeeper is available for sale in the town outside Bagram Airfield, Afghanistan. The soldiers thank a shopkeeper for his courtesy during ''our many visits to your shop,'' underscoring the deep connection between the base and the local economy.
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“If business keeps decreasing, I’ll have to close my store,” Ghafouri said.
Last year’s drawdown was a smaller version of the “retrograde” of 2014 that closed hundreds of bases across the country. That drawdown was disastrous for the Afghan economy, and a repeat could destabilize the country, said Jonathan Schroden, special operations program director at the Center for Naval Analyses.
“The departure of large numbers of U.S. forces — as we saw in 2014 — leads to uncertainty about the future of the country, which reduces people’s willingness to start businesses, invest in new infrastructure and spend money in Afghanistan,” Schroden said.
If the economy gets worse, people may take up weapons again to feed their families, said Thomas Ruttig, co-director of Afghanistan Analysts Network.

“Afghanistan might become worse off (economically) than during the Soviet era,” Ruttig said.
In other provinces, some places become poorer and more dangerous when U.S. troops left last year.
In Lashkar Gah in Helmand province, which has seen heavy fighting, hundreds of people lost jobs when the bases closed, said Haji Awal Gul, a tribal elder. Former workers are worried about their safety.

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“Everyone knows who has worked with the Americans,” Gul said.
In Tirin Kot, a base in southern Uruzgan province that the U.S. left last year, the security bubble maintained by the coalition troops evaporated, said Haleem Khan, a local doctor.
Khan’s cousin worked as a cleaner for American troops for many years.
“He is mostly in hiding now,” Khan said of his cousin, who fears Taliban retribution.

Afghans who worked on the bases remain in the memories of some former service members. Adam Weinstein, a Marine veteran who served in Tirin Kot in 2012, recalled how the helicopters leaving Tirin Kot would test fire their machine guns, and how children would run under the helicopters to grab the spent brass to resell.
Those children, running under the machine guns, underscored how closely the economy was connected to the war, said Weinstein, now a research fellow for the Middle East at the Washington D.C.-based Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft.

Weinstein, speaking after the announcement of the end of the U.S. involvement in Afghanistan, a decision he supports, wondered about what is next for the Afghans he knew.
“For the majority of veterans, the war was a small but significant portion of their lives. But for them — the war never stopped for them,” he said.

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US likely to up Afghanistan force to ensure safe drawdown
By LOLITA C. BALDORyesterday




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Pentagon spokesman John Kirby speaks during a briefing at the Pentagon in Washington, Friday, April 16, 2021. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)


WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. will likely increase its troop presence in Afghanistan temporarily over the coming weeks and months in order to fulfill President Joe Biden’s order to safely withdraw all forces from the country by Sept. 11, the Pentagon said Friday.
Pentagon chief spokesman John Kirby declined to provide specifics and said details are still being worked out. But he said “it’s logical to assume that you may need some logistics help, maybe some engineering help, you may have to add some force protection capabilities — again temporarily — just to make sure that the drawdown goes in a safe, orderly and effective way.”

Biden announced Wednesday that the U.S. would pull all of its more than 2,500 troops out of Afghanistan by Sept. 11 — the 20th anniversary of the al-Qaida terror attack on the U.S. that had triggered the U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan. NATO announced it would follow the same timetable for withdrawing more than 7,000 allied forces.
The president’s decision defies a May 1 withdrawal deadline that was agreed to by the Trump administration as part of a peace agreement with the Taliban. Instead, Biden said that the U.S. withdrawal would begin on May 1.
Speaking at a Pentagon press conference on Friday, Kirby had few details on the pace and timing of the drawdown. He said it was not clear how many troops would be out of the country by May 1 as a signal to the Taliban that the U.S. was abiding by its new plan to begin leaving.

The Taliban has warned that it will retaliate if the U.S. does not abide by the Trump administration’s agreement. And those threats are a key concern for the Pentagon as it tries to safely move troops and likely millions of dollars in equipment out of the country.
Biden, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and others have made it clear that the U.S. is keenly aware of the Taliban threats, and that any attacks on U.S. or allied personnel or facilities would face strong U.S. reaction.
Kirby also said it’s not clear if any U.S. contractors will remain in the country. He said that the goal is to get all Defense Department personnel out and “I suspect that contractors will be part of that.” But he added that it’s not clear if there will be an ongoing reason to keep some type of contractor support in the country.
According to the Pentagon, the number of contractors in Afghanistan started to decline over the past year or so. According to the latest numbers, there are close to 17,000 Defense Department-funded contractors in Afghanistan and less than a third of those were Americans.

The total included more than 2,800 armed and unarmed private security contractors, of which more than 1,500 are armed. Of those 1,500, about 600 are Americans.
Defense Department contractors conduct a wide variety of tasks from protecting convoys and serving as security escorts to training, engineering and maintenance duties.
Defense officials and military commanders have been planning for the U.S. troop withdrawal for months, spurred on by the peace agreement and the Trump administration’s persistent desire to end the war. The Pentagon, however, was able to successfully argue over the past year or more that a complete pullout was unwise, and would strip the U.S. of any leverage with the Taliban in the peace talks.
In defending the new withdrawal plan, the Biden administration has argued that the U.S. and its NATO allies have achieved their goal of killing al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and decimating his network, which made the 9/11 attack possible. And officials say the U.S. military will maintain assets in the region to ensure that Afghanistan is not used as a base for terror attacks against America again.

A number of U.S. lawmakers and human rights groups have denounced the decision, saying the troop pullout could cause security in Afghanistan to collapse and erode gains in governance, democracy and rights for women. And military critics have raised doubts that the U.S. will be able to keep pressure on terror groups, including an affiliate of the Islamic State, that still maintain a presence in Afghanistan.
Austin has said that the United States will keep counterterrorism “capabilities” in the region to keep pressure on extremist groups operating within Afghanistan. Asked for details, he declined to elaborate on where those U.S. forces would be positioned or in what numbers.
Likely solutions include using satellite and other surveillance, armed and unarmed drones, and U.S. troops positioned in nearby countries and at sea.
 

Doomer Doug

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Nobody could handle Afghanistan, not Alexander the Great, or the British. Famous retreat from Kabul that had ONE MAN make it back to India out of 10,000.

We have been defeated in Somalia. We have been defeated in Iraq. We have been defeated in Afghanistan, just like in Vietnam.
We will "withdraw," turn it over to some incompetent, corrupt, greedy, sleazy "government," and then watch it all revert to the kind of third world cesspool it always was.

The Mongols could handle Iraq and Afghanistan, but that is only due to murdering many of them when they first took over, and then converting to Islam later on.

All of our endless wars have been for NOTHING except to line the pockets of the grifters in the Military Industrial Complex. Like the MRE's those street urchins were selling, now where did they come from? :lol:
 

Housecarl

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Nobody could handle Afghanistan, not Alexander the Great, or the British. Famous retreat from Kabul that had ONE MAN make it back to India out of 10,000.

We have been defeated in Somalia. We have been defeated in Iraq. We have been defeated in Afghanistan, just like in Vietnam.
We will "withdraw," turn it over to some incompetent, corrupt, greedy, sleazy "government," and then watch it all revert to the kind of third world cesspool it always was.

The Mongols could handle Iraq and Afghanistan, but that is only due to murdering many of them when they first took over, and then converting to Islam later on.

All of our endless wars have been for NOTHING except to line the pockets of the grifters in the Military Industrial Complex. Like the MRE's those street urchins were selling, now where did they come from? :lol:

Actually Alexander's successor state, the Greco-Bactrian Kingdom ran from 256 to 125 BC in the area now Afghanistan and this got folded into the Indo-Greek Kingdom that lasted until 10 AD.
 

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In the November Sierra Sherlock category......

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Sanctuaries in Pakistan contributed immensely to the Taliban's success: US Senator
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"This support of the Taliban runs counter to Pakistani cooperation with the United States, including as they have, allowing the use of airspace and other infrastructure for which the United States provided significant funding," he said.


Pakistan has played on both sides of the field in Afghanistan, contributing to the Taliban's success, a senior US senator has reminded his colleagues, a day after Washington announced plans to withdraw all troops from the war-torn Asian country by September 11.

Chairman of Senate Armed Services Committee, Senator Jack Reed, on the Senate floor Thursday afternoon, said "a crucial factor contributing immensely to the Taliban's success" has bee ..

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Housecarl

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And in another November Sierra moment.....Also see my comments earlier with regards to the Successor States of Alexander.....

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'High probability' Biden's decision to pull U.S. troops from Afghanistan will cause its government to fall, expert says Michael Isikoff Michael Isikoff
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Fri, April 16, 2021, 4:58 PM

Former White House adviser Richard Clarke said that there is a “high probability” that President Biden’s decision to withdraw all U.S. troops from Afghanistan by Sept. 11 will result in the collapse of the Afghan government and a takeover of that country by the Taliban.

“It's a very courageous move and it’s not going to be politically great for him,” Clarke said in an interview on the Yahoo News “Skullduggery” podcast. “There’s a high probability that government will fall and we’ll have perhaps the scene that we had when the government in Saigon fell and there was that famous iconic image of the helicopter on the top of the roof of the U.S. Embassy taking off with the last people in it. That could happen.”

Clarke’s comments are particularly noteworthy since he served as the top White House counterterrorism official under President Bill Clinton when the Taliban government in Kabul first began providing safe haven for al-Qaida. He then briefly served in the same position under President George W. Bush, when the U.S. invaded Afghanistan after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Clarke had initially urged U.S. military intervention in that country to expel al-Qaida during Clinton’s presidency and then later backed the U.S. invasion ordered by Bush.

But he believes that the American mission in that country changed into something very different than he had envisioned.

“What I had in mind,” Clarke said, is “you go in there, you clean out the camps because al-Qaida had military bases. You find the camps, you find the units, you destroy them. You can try to find and kill as many of the leaders as possible. You destroy their infrastructure. Then leave, or withdraw to the area controlled by the Northern Alliance” — the northern-based tribal forces that were fighting al-Qaida at the time. “But the notion of staying there and running the cities and running the roads, connecting the cities, and trying to create and prop up a government, that was an overreach.”

Clarke gave Biden credit for biting the bullet and doing something his predecessors didn’t. “He did it because he thought it was the right thing. He did it because somebody eventually had to do it,” Clarke said. “And he said, Hey, look, past presidents have passed on this. And there was an implied criticism, I think, of his old boss, Obama, and certainly a little bit of Trump, that no one had the courage to say the emperor has no clothes, that there's no way we can make this work.”

But Clarke added that the consequences of withdrawal could be “potentially awful.” He added: “there could be images on our TV screens, whether it’s a year from now or two years from now, of a lot of Afghan people who put their faith and trust in the United States getting killed or getting imprisoned, or particularly for women, getting thrown back into the 14th century. All the gains that the society achieved could be lost. And that will be terrible.

“But the question that Biden had to face is what is the cost of continuing to prop up that Kabul regime with U.S. military forces?” And, Clarke said, “at the end of the day, I think you have to ask yourself, is this something that you could ever do that anybody could ever do?

“Americans tend to believe that all problems can be solved. And I think when you're dealing with places like Afghanistan, you've got to have a different mindset. Alexander the Great couldn’t do it. The British Army couldn’t do it. The Red Army couldn’t do it. It is conceivable that nobody can, right? That Afghanistan is essentially ungovernable.”
 

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The US Exit: The View From Afghanistan

With Biden’s announced timeline for full U.S. withdrawal, there’s a looming question of failed promises in Afghanistan.



By Ritu Mahendru and Inshah Malik

April 17, 2021
The US Exit: The View From Afghanistan

Muslims share a communal Iftar meal breaking their fast, at sundown on the first day of the holy fasting month of Ramadan, at a mosque in Kabul, Afghanistan, Tuesday, April 13, 2021.

Credit: AP Photo/Rahmat Gul
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” This quote, often attributed to Albert Einstein, rings true in Afghanistan’s case, as the international community has repeatedly utilized the same tools to resolve conflict when the picture is far too complex for simple solutions.

As the events in Afghanistan unfolded since the peace talks enthusiastically began in September 2020, it was clear from the discussions that the Taliban wanted to form a government based on their extreme interpretation of a religious ideology. Amid recurring setbacks and seemingly insurmountable barriers at the Doha peace talks, U.S. President Joe Biden announced his decision to complete the unconditional withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan by September 11, 2021.

Following this, Taliban reiterated its desire to form the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, showing no flexibility to bring peace in Afghanistan.

A Taliban spokesman, Muhammad Naeem, tweeted on April 13, “Until all foreign forces completely withdraw from our homeland, the Islamic Emirate will not participate in any conference that shall make decisions about Afghanistan.”

Additionally, Zabihullah, another Taliban spokesperson, asserted on Twitter on April 14, “If the agreement is breached and foreign forces fail to exit our country on the specified date, problems will certainly be compounded and those who failed to comply with the agreement will be held liable.”


The Taliban have declared on their website that since “the withdrawal of forces is being delayed by several months, […] the American side will be held responsible for all future consequences, and not the Islamic Emirate.”

Whether or not the Istanbul conference will go ahead is now hanging by a thread.


The situation has the Afghan citizens anxious about the possible future of the country. The key questions remain – will Afghanistan ever achieve peace, with or without the U.S. withdrawal? What needs to happen to ensure peace in Afghanistan? The answer lies in the fraught nature of the peace deal and several lacunae in the peace process.

The Fraught Peace Deal

In Afghanistan, the “Protection of Civilians in Armed Conflict” annual report published by the Office of the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) and the U.N. Assistance Mission in the country reported 8,820 civilian casualties with 3,035 deaths in 2020. While that represents a 15 percent decrease in civilian causalities in comparison to 2019, a disturbing trend of targeted killings surged forward even as the peace talks between the United States and Taliban were initiated.

In the last three months, 560 pro-government forces and 163 civilians have been killed in Afghanistan. This is not a complete analysis, as actual figures of those killed are often not fully revealed by the government officials. Furthermore, the killings are complicated by the quagmire of internal politics, as many Afghans believe state forces are also engaged in arbitrary killings of civilians.

Experts say the Taliban is stronger now than at any point since 2001. With up to 85,000 full-time fighters, it controls one-fifth of the country and continues to launch attacks. The Taliban is currently present in all 34 provinces of the country. The Islamic fundamentalist group has maintained its insurgency against the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan.

Even though the deal between the United States and the Taliban included a clear clause on a ceasefire, visualized as a mandatory item on the agenda of intra-Afghan talks and an essential part of the agreement, the violence in Afghanistan has continued. Recently, some of the deadliest attacks in recent years have gripped Afghanistan’s capital city Kabul, such as a brutal attack on a maternity ward in Kabul that killed 24 people, including 16 mothers, and injured 20 people and newborn babies. Similarly, an attack on Kabul University was launched in November, killing at least 22 people and wounding another 27. Fearful of these brutal attacks, Afghans have been left traumatized.

The Taliban have officially denied any responsibility for the now-common targeted attacks in which pressure-plate improvised explosive devices (IEDs) are attached to the vehicles of civil society members and government officials. However, government officials and experts believe Taliban proxies are doing their dirty work to undermine the government’s capacity and generate a public fear so that government concedes at the peace talks. The U.S.-Taliban peace deal created a dilemma, and Biden’s announcement that the United State will not meet the May 1 deadline for full withdrawal has again increased the likelihood that violence will continue unabated.

Within the current political arrangement, government officials are divided over what the cost of offering peace to Taliban could be. There is a general fatigue about the culture of violence and a consensus for peace exists, but the question remains for the government officials: What price we are willing to pay for this peace, and what lives are we prepared to sacrifice? Increasingly, many government officials believe that under any peace deal with the Taliban, the country will inevitably become more authoritarian, and much of the progress made for women’s rights and minority rights would be sacrificed. More so, the officials are concerned about preservation and protection of the development gains that country has made in the last 20 years, especially since Taliban are openly suggesting that they will enact Shariah, or Islamic law, in the country when in power.

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Speaking to The Diplomat, award-winning journalist Masood Hosseini asserted a commonly held view: The “Taliban is a terrorist group and according to me they should never to come to power, but the flip side of the coin is that they will never end the war if they are not in power. The Afghan government is not capable to defeat them militarily. The only formula to peace is that Taliban comes to the power and form interim government. They should talk.”

Dr. Ritu Mahendru, during her stay in Afghanistan, spoke to several community groups who shared the view above and felt the peace talks were a double-edged sword. While the Taliban have remained adamant on their demand for an Islamic government, the specifics have not been revealed. When questioned about women’s education and civil rights, the Taliban have maintained these will be offered under a strict Islamic jurisprudence.

However, these claims need to be taken with a pinch of salt, as Hosseini explained: “The Taliban maintain two positions on women’s rights and they change their stance based on whom they speak to. They say something else to Afghan people and something else to the U.S. government.”

It is the pressure of the international community that can ensure rights of minorities and women are protected, he believes. “It’s really on the international community now, especially the U.S., not to give too much power and leverage to Taliban to do whatever they want and resume or revive their era of governance.”

Lack of Civil Society Engagement in the Peace Talks

From the beginning, the peace process has involved a top-down approach and has failed to consider sustained or strengthened civil society engagement, as it has been essentially politically motivated.

“Elites and secular intellectuals have been excluded from the peace talks,” Hosseini pointed out. He predicted that “They will leave Afghanistan and [we] will see another wave of emigrants from Afghanistan. If the intellectuals leave, the country will be in the hands of warlords again and if that happened then that would be the cause of another civil war in the country.”

In our discussion with several government officials, one senior level official from the Ministry of Rural Rehabilitation Development, Mukhtar Sabri, expressed his discontent with the process as well: “Roughly 80 percent of our economic development activities in rural Afghanistan are on hold due to Taliban’s continuous interference. Donors are getting increasingly concerned about the Citizen Charter program [the government’s flagship program, funded by the World Bank] and funding it due to the peace process. The international community needs to stay engaged.”

He added, “Everyone I know is concerned that we will fall into pre-2001 practices and a civil war can erupt if the Taliban comes into power.”

Evidently, the intra-Afghan dialogue is flawed due to the dominance of people from the pro-government and Taliban sides. The current negotiators represent a generation that is far removed from the aspirations and needs of young Afghans. Adding to the problem, there is no civil society engagement; people especially across the ethnic, urban, and rural divides were left out of the process.

“There is no mechanism in place to ensure diverse Afghan perceptions are considered throughout the process. The talks brought together a group of Afghan government representatives on the one side and U.S. on the other side,” asserted Abid Humayun, a humanitarian practitioner and an executive director for Sanayee Development Organization. “No one had even remotely thought about social inclusion, making sure that everyone’s voices are heard – basically no one is listening. There is no process or mechanism for peace.”

Challenges for Peace and Reconciliation

A large portion of Afghan civil society is concerned about their economic and social well-being and worried their voices being lost in a process where former warlords, mujahideen, and Afghan government generate divided loyalties among general populations. The Taliban, meanwhile, project themselves as the representatives of majority Pashtun sensibilities, though they claim to remain open for consultations.

On the question of ethnic representation and exclusion, Hosseini accused Afghanistan’s President Ashraf Ghani of being “a totalitarian person” seeking to keep his hold on power.

“Even though he has suggested early elections, he is aware that Afghan citizens won’t vote for the Taliban and the Taliban won’t accept President Ghani’s plan,” Hosseini said, implying Ghani’s suggestion is essentially a bluff. “While the Taliban remain open for consultations with ethnic groups, Ghani has point blank rejected the idea.”

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Furthermore, the possibility of dialogue and peace is challenged by differing needs of different victims. There are ruptures within the various groups that have been devastated by the 20-year conflict.

“The victims’ groups remain divided – these are the groups who have lost their families and friends to the insurgent groups, the U.S. air strikes, or government strikes,” Humayun explained. “One group is prepared to forgive and there are those who want justice and are not prepared to forgive without seeking justice. The victims’ experience eclipses the political party agreements between the U.S., [the Afghan] government and the Taliban.”

The other important challenge for peace and reconciliation is the lack of understanding of people’s experiences and war-related trauma. Afghan civil society is a product of a history of warfare, including a civil war in the early 1990s, which devastated the people after the Soviet defeat. The trauma of such a process remains unprocessed and unaddressed and is likely to replicate historical fault lines.

Shabnam Bina, the head of monitoring and evaluation at Care International, argued that “if the peace process doesn’t address the issues [and] animosities among people, they are likely to cash in on the situation for settling personal scores and pushing the country into further violence by stoking ethnic tensions.”

Leaving the Afghan people in such a precarious condition undermines the promises with which the United States first invaded the country back in 2001. Clearly U.S. foreign policy is not determined by the slogans of human rights and women’s rights that originally helped justify the now 20-year-old war with al-Qaida and then Taliban. Furthermore, Afghan society is threatened by regional powers who will compete with one another to gain control and influence over Afghanistan. To the east, Pakistan and India are likely to bring their interstate rivalry from Kashmir to Afghanistan, further damaging the state of human security. In addition to this, Afghanistan’s western neighbor, Iran, will also vie for influence in the absence of a solid civil society that can sustain the pressures of governmental transition.

Afghan citizens therefore are trapped in a quagmire of politics in which they remain defenseless. In such circumstances, the rearming of factional groups is one possible outcome as Afghans look to fill the gap to provide human security. The international community, particularly humanitarian organizations, must engage regional powers, regardless of the U.S. troop withdrawal, and step up to a moral obligation to ensure that stability, justice, and peace take root in the country through a long-term engagement with the civil society. This should include a more genuine intra-Afghan dialogue for processing trauma and reconciliation, and not only through engagement of the powerful actors on all sides.

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jward

passin' thru
Germany plans to withdraw troops from Afghanistan in July
by French Press Agency - AFP
Apr 21, 2021 12:33 pm GMT+3



German Bundeswehr soldiers are seen at a camp in Afghanistan, March 25, 2018. (Pool via Reuters)

German Bundeswehr soldiers are seen at a camp in Afghanistan, March 25, 2018. (Pool via Reuters)


Germany is planning to pull its troops from Afghanistan in early July, the Defense Ministry said Wednesday as the United States announced plans to withdraw by Sept. 11.

"The current thinking... is to shorten the withdrawal period. A withdrawal date of July 4 is being considered," a ministry spokesperson told Agence France-Presse (AFP), stressing that the final decision would be made by NATO.
NATO had agreed last week to begin their troop drawdown by May 1.

The 9,600-strong NATO training and support mission, which includes the U.S. troops and depends heavily on Washington's military assets, deployed personnel from 36 NATO members and partner countries.
With 1,100 troops, Germany has the second biggest contingent of soldiers after the U.S. in the country.

The withdrawal comes despite a deadlock in peace talks between the Taliban and the Afghan government.
But Secretary of State Antony Blinken defended the U.S. decision to leave, saying the terror threat had moved elsewhere and resources had to be refocused on challenges like China and the pandemic.
 

Maryh

Veteran Member
Daughter was mentioning that the terrorists get their $$$ from the poppy trade and then pay for the different terror attacks in the world. Opium works as a finance tool. I guess we should expect them to ramp up now that the US and NATO will be gone.
 

NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
If the objective in Afghanistan is to keep the muzzies from having the poppies to finance terrorism, why are US troops guarding the fields. Any why not use some of the huge funds we spend there to cover the fields with round up ?

Somebody back here is making a lot of dollars from those poppies !

:ld: :mad::mad::mad:
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
If the objective in Afghanistan is to keep the muzzies from having the poppies to finance terrorism, why are US troops guarding the fields. Any why not use some of the huge funds we spend there to cover the fields with round up ?

Somebody back here is making a lot of dollars from those poppies !

:ld: :mad::mad::mad:

Particularly interesting when fentanyl is a lot easier to manufacture in bulk than screwing around with planting poppies.
 

NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Particularly interesting when fentanyl is a lot easier to manufacture in bulk than screwing around with planting poppies.
Yes. However, with my limited knowledge of drugs, I am unable to provide a valid explanation. But, there must be a reason.
 
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