GUNS/RLTD Gun show report
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I had a friend call me from Tulsa last night. He sets up there usually with four tables. He had just gotten set up and had returned to his room for the night.Tulsa should be a big show this weekend, but I wonder what will really be on the tables?
Most stores are out of most things that would be at a gunshow, except beef jerky
Lots of vendors. Business good although I think the show officially started today. He said the "atmosphere" seemed different and as of last night one big change was noted. A vendor that normally brings a semi trailer of ammo was absent. He was hopeful the guy was just late.
If I hear from him tonight I will try to make another report.
day late
money? whats that?
That roofing lead isn't a bad idea. I'll also have to check with people who tear down houses. I'm sure they come up with a bit of it.
bobby.knight
Senior Member
I just came home from gun show. Yes the prices were very high. There was very little ammo. What was there was at least 30-40% higher than retail. So we left and went to what was ‘field & stream’ where they were sold out of 556 ammo.
day late
money? whats that?
I don't even know what the price is for one type of ammo I use. 7.7mm JAP. I haven't been able to find it for a couple of years now and back then it was about $2 a round. 'Course they haven't mass produced that ammo since 1945. Seems that for some reason the Japanese stopped needing it after early August of that year.
“But boy I sure love my 75 year old gun. I have no ammo for it and can never get ammo again, but damn it’s a nice gun!”
I’ve heard that multiple times on TB. I always wondered why people would buy those old, off-caliber guns. Just seemed dumb to me.
I’ve heard that multiple times on TB. I always wondered why people would buy those old, off-caliber guns. Just seemed dumb to me.
Doc1
Has No Life - Lives on TB
If you get into reloading, you can easily make brass for your old 7.7 Jap using brass from certain other cartridges. This is true for a surprisingly large number of obsolete calibers and can both save you a lot of money and allow you to shoot your old rifle again.
Like most things in life, this is more work than merely plunking down your card (or cash) and buying it (if you can even find it). The COVID crisis and associated ammo shortages should've proven beyond any doubt what a valuable prep skill reloading is.
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Doc
day late
money? whats that?
Ummm, Doc. When it comes to reloading, I have more ammo than three young, strong, healthy men can carry. I also have dies for 7.7. Just not the casings. An idea of which casings I can use would be helpful. And I don't know. When it comes to black powder, is it considered extreme when you measure the number of balls you have by the pound? At this time, it is over 20 pounds for two different calibers.
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day late
money? whats that?
Dennis, if I may say so, ammo for this weapon is available, but hard to find. It is my understanding that ammo manufacturers make one run a year for this type of ammo. Not much call for it, you understand. But I can assure you that this rifle is the reason the Marines STILL hate the Japanese. The stats on-line for an Arisaka Type 99 show that at 100 yards you have to aim two inches low because the bullet is still rising. At 200 yards, aim dead center. At 400 yards, aim about ten inches high. Sad to say but I can't even see 400 yards.
ohiohippie
Veteran Member
How much were BB’s going for?
NoDandy
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Well I have a couple. Will never fire them. One I do have a box of ammo for.
But I keep them as family heirlooms. Belonged to my Dad, and my grandfather.
Many articles on making 7.7 brass, just do a search.
That's assuming you have or can find dies.
That's assuming you have or can find dies.
Doc1
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Day Late, the most common (and easiest) case to convert to 7.7 Jap is the venerable ol' 30-06. There are loads of vids on YouTube on how to do it and lots of articles on the 'net.
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Doc
Great! If you ever have to fight against US Marines on Guadalcanal, you’re all set!!
day late
money? whats that?
Many thanks. My brother has an .06 and doesn't reload. I just have to get him to collect the casings after a day of target practice.
day late
money? whats that?
Great! If you ever have to fight against US Marines on Guadalcanal, you’re all set!!
True. But, the thing is that I can reach out an touch a target with my rifle at ranges that are extreme under any conditions, be they deer or something else, with open sights. And since I took the oath, those targets will only be those who are domestic enemies, or game animals. They will not be oath honoring G.I.'s. In truth, the best weapon to have is the one closest to hand when tshtf. You use that one to get to the one you want.
If I am wrong, would someone please correct me.
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1911user
Veteran Member
7.7 Jap brass in stock
How wonderful that your eyes are still that good. I wore coke bottles from age 10, though into my 40’s I could still use open sights. Now it’s a different matter. What’s it like to have a lifetime of 20/20 vision?
day late don’t need no scope. Those are for pussies in his mind.
usmcpackrat
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I go to the shows in my area to play bingo.
Yep that's right. Bingo.
Wait......what do you mean you never heard of gunshow bingo?
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Yep that's right. Bingo.
Wait......what do you mean you never heard of gunshow bingo?
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hiwall
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Miwall New Ammunition - 7.7 Japanese - 180 Grain Soft Point - 80 Rounds W/ Free Ammo Can
Wholesale Ammunition
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Shooter
Veteran Member
ok, been doing shows 45 years, but whats a " guy selling O,G,s"?I go to the shows in my area to play bingo.
Yep that's right. Bingo.
Wait......what do you mean you never heard of gunshow bingo?
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When the fake news media claims "50% of dealers at gun shows don't have a FFL" they are deceptively referring to the beef jerky and fake brand name sun glass dealers.
Local dealers have a good inventory of common handguns, priced at full retail to 20% over retail. Ammo is still scarce and absurdly priced.
Local dealers have a good inventory of common handguns, priced at full retail to 20% over retail. Ammo is still scarce and absurdly priced.
Doc1
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Notes on case forming:
I'm glad I could help Day Late by turning him on to the trick of reforming 30-06 brass to 7.7 Jap. The 30-06 case can be used to create several other calibers. I sometimes use it to form 8mm Mauser brass when my supply runs low. Other cases can be reformed into other cartridges, too.
One great advantage of learning how to do this is that in these times of ongoing ammo shortages, case forming can often be used to create the ammo you need when it can't be found anywhere. Other advantages are that it's always cheaper than trying to track down - and pay for - scarce or exotic ammo at retail prices.
Lastly, it can give you the ability, sometimes, to make killer deals on old rifles which are chambered for less popular ammunition if you're the guy that can create the ammunition for it.
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Doc
I'm glad I could help Day Late by turning him on to the trick of reforming 30-06 brass to 7.7 Jap. The 30-06 case can be used to create several other calibers. I sometimes use it to form 8mm Mauser brass when my supply runs low. Other cases can be reformed into other cartridges, too.
One great advantage of learning how to do this is that in these times of ongoing ammo shortages, case forming can often be used to create the ammo you need when it can't be found anywhere. Other advantages are that it's always cheaper than trying to track down - and pay for - scarce or exotic ammo at retail prices.
Lastly, it can give you the ability, sometimes, to make killer deals on old rifles which are chambered for less popular ammunition if you're the guy that can create the ammunition for it.
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Doc
I have the opposite problem that Day Late has...
I'm in the process of moving, and have just completed packing up my ammunition and reloading gear. I found an entire box of new, recent manufacture .32 Smith & Wesson ammunition in the "Misc Ammo" box. I haven't had a top-break revolver in .32 S&W in years. I've started looking for one, but so far the only thing I've found close is an 1890's Smith & Wesson model 1½ in .32 rimfire, which obviously won't work.
So, yes Dennis, I'm looking for a 75-year old pistol to shoot antique ammo through.
I'm in the process of moving, and have just completed packing up my ammunition and reloading gear. I found an entire box of new, recent manufacture .32 Smith & Wesson ammunition in the "Misc Ammo" box. I haven't had a top-break revolver in .32 S&W in years. I've started looking for one, but so far the only thing I've found close is an 1890's Smith & Wesson model 1½ in .32 rimfire, which obviously won't work.
So, yes Dennis, I'm looking for a 75-year old pistol to shoot antique ammo through.
cat killer
Senior Member
Went to a local gun show today. The parking lot was full and so was the building. I didn’t see any powder or primers but plenty of ammo and firearms.
hiwall
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Any .32 long or .32 H&R mag or .327 mag will shoot those .32 Smith & Wesson
db cooper
Resident Secret Squirrel
The barrel metal for black powder weapons is a low grade that matches the originals of the 1800's era. Not only will the breach area not handle modern smokeless powder, but hard leads such as tire weights will tear the rifling right out of the barrel and eventually the bullet will not spin. Pure plumber's lead is the ticket. Everything I've read says stay away from tire weights. A possible exception would be a patched round ball where the lead never touches metal. Hard lead will not give a good enough swage on a revolver that may lead to a chain fire.
