Gitche Gumee Kid
Veteran Member
I still can't find a replacment for my printer.
GGK
GGK
ECON New Shortages - Sept Forward
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Cyclonemom
Veteran Member
Here is the YouTube. 52 minute runtime, and interview starts close to the 10 min mark.
We have our food industry CEO guest, Dan, on again. He explains why the winter will be even worse for shortages than this spring was. His predictions in the spring were 100% accurate; wait ‘till you hear what else he sees in store this winter. Get prepped now! Here are the previous episodes Dan has been on: Episode 77 and Episode 94. In the After Show, exclusively for Patreon supporters, Dan answers Patreons’ questions. Please support our sponsors EMP Shield, Numanna Foods, Backwoods Home Magazine, and Minutemen Coffee. Learn more about our podcast at Prepping 2-0.com.
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View: https://youtu.be/Z8tvHdf7NwU
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packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Someone was saying in the canning group that the prepping site she's on someone said fall of 2019 that there would be a canning jar/lid shortage this year. Thought that was interesting.
Hawkgirl_70
Veteran Member
What are flip top lids?
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
My can of black pepper has a flip top.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Thanks for the heads up, we really need to get our manufacturing out of China and back into the US.
Hawkgirl_70
Veteran Member
Ohhhh! I see now.
Thanks!
So I guess next shopping trip I better buy a couple more containers of black pepper.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Our feed store here in rural Ireland is having some issues getting organic layer pellets which are the only ones we use since the others are GMO from the USA.
Bps1691
Veteran Member
You can get it by the pound off Amazon for under $10. You can use any spice grinder to grind them to the consistency you want.
You can also buy live peppercorn vines. In my area they are a house plant until warm temps in the late spring and summer. They don't like direct sun and they will winter over in your house during winter.
I consider it one of my LTS plants (or seeds) for personal use and if needed as a trade item. Same as Tabaco Seed, Sugar Beat Seed, Dent Corn, OP Wheat, OP Rye, OP Oats and several types of old fashioned drying bean seeds. You also need to make sure you get the how-to grow, process, etc. instructions for them as well.
Here's the source:
Black Pepper Plants for Sale | Grow Your Own Black Peppercorn Plants
Black Pepper Plants for Sale | Black pepper is the most popular spice in the world. Learn how to grow your own black peppercorn plant at home!
www.logees.com
Walrus Whisperer
Hope in chains...
I do that too, BUT I slather the sanitizer all over the steering wheel, driving levers like turn signal, inside door handles, shifter.... Everything like that once I get back in the car.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Just a heads up but if you slather enough of that on yourself, etc., and you get pulled over you can end up with a possible DUI. So use that stuff carefully.
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
the wife and I were at Lowes yesterday to buy a new fridge and stove for a rental. Found the stove, but will need to get the fridge from Home Depot ( cost / size issue as it is a small rental ).
The stove was on sale and the guy at the desk said he had none in stock. I used to work for the same store years ago when I was working two jobs to pay off the truck (going galt at the time and still am). I saw that they actually had two of them in stock. I being the jerk that I am, told him Bullsh***, you have two in stock. He said they were sold. My response was no matter who orders on line, if you have them in stock, you sell them to the person in store first, ( store policy as they can delay delivery for online orders ) he was pissed, but got us the stove.
Why we were waiting there was a guy I was talking to who said he ran a store for a local chain. He apparently has some lattitude on where to buy from. He was telling me that even with the extra authority, he had over 400 outs that he simply could not get in stock. He said the problem is getting worse and not better at least from a store point of view.
Basically he is working harder to get less.
The stove was on sale and the guy at the desk said he had none in stock. I used to work for the same store years ago when I was working two jobs to pay off the truck (going galt at the time and still am). I saw that they actually had two of them in stock. I being the jerk that I am, told him Bullsh***, you have two in stock. He said they were sold. My response was no matter who orders on line, if you have them in stock, you sell them to the person in store first, ( store policy as they can delay delivery for online orders ) he was pissed, but got us the stove.
Why we were waiting there was a guy I was talking to who said he ran a store for a local chain. He apparently has some lattitude on where to buy from. He was telling me that even with the extra authority, he had over 400 outs that he simply could not get in stock. He said the problem is getting worse and not better at least from a store point of view.
Basically he is working harder to get less.
Walrus Whisperer
Hope in chains...
I'm not worried. Cops/Sherriffs here are hiding for some reason. Maybe I see one once a month. I don't drink so breath test will reveal all.
In 1998, I dry pack canned bulk peppercorns in #10 cans with nitrogen and oxy absorbers. Each can got a peppermill, too.
Putting the nitrogen into the open can before the lid went on was kinda like getting pepper sprayed....
Thanks for the info on pepper vines ...
Putting the nitrogen into the open can before the lid went on was kinda like getting pepper sprayed....
Thanks for the info on pepper vines ...
I go thru 4 pair daily changing dressings on my feet. I use non sterile gloves and spray with 70% alcohol right after I put them on. No issues in over 4 years.
LOL! I've still got multiple quart jars of peppercorns, stored with O2 absorbers in our cool basement. They are indistinguishable from fresh when ground... and yes, opening the jar for the first time will clear your sinuses!
Black pepper was so valuable in the years when transport was done by sailing ship peppercorns were traded ounce for ounce for gold. (At least, that's what I've read... it was a bit before my time!)
I considered trying to grow it, but decided buying a lifetime supply and storing carefully was probably a better use of my resources... if we lived in a much warmer climate, I might have chosen differently.
Summerthyme
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Cyclonemom
Veteran Member
Think anything that flips an squirts.
Ketchup lids specifically mentioned, but squirt mayo, dressings, toothpaste, creams, lotions and the like can't be ruled out.
See youtube in post #42. They reference a previous episode that talks almost exclusively about this.
Yes, we're a couple of hours from most of the fires, but our air quality has been almost off the charts since Friday. Even in the house my eyes are burning and my hair smells like smoke.
vessie
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Another option for rubber gloves is to buy 'white cotton archival gloves' from Amazon and just keep clean pairs handy for then you need to change your dressings. Amazon.com : white cotton archival gloves V
vessie
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Luckily, I save those type of things for future use. V
Cyclonemom
Veteran Member
Well, according to this article, either supply problems in the midwest are about to get much better.
Or much worse, I can't work out exactly what this means..... (are the shipping containers full of the goods we are short of, or is there a true lack of transport trains creating the backlog???)
www.zerohedge.com
A Northern California logistics consultant was unable to book containers on the Burlington Northern Santa Fe (BNSF) or Union Pacific (UP) railroads for the first week of September going to and from U.S. West Coast ports and Midwest destinations.
The consultant said, “I have been working in the industry for thirty years and I have never seen anything like this. It’s weird.”
The result is that importers of low value products being shipped by containers such as tee shirts would be at an economic disadvantage transporting containers by truck as opposed to by rail between U.S. West Coast ports and Midwest destinations, because of the higher cost.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/i...est-coast-ports-cant-book-rail-bnsf-and-union
The consultant explained that there is a huge shortage of rail capacity: “There are no rail cars and there are no chassis.”
The consultant, who is not identified, was contracted to research container rail bookings on the UP and BNSF to and from U.S. West Coast ports including:
The consultant cited the following trucking rates per container as examples:
The consultant said that in the past it had been possible to truck a container coast-to-coast for $2,000: “But those days are gone.”
In addition, “In the good old days you could ship a container from the West Coast to Chicago or Memphis by rail for $1000 dollars.”
The research found one exception. It was possible to ship a container on a COSCO vessel to Shanghai from Memphis, Tennessee via the Port of Prince Rupert, British Columbia utilizing the Canadian National Railway.
The problem: “The travel time was over twenty-one days which is way too slow.”
However, rail intermodal moves are a complex affair, particularly when there is a significant freight imbalance as there is at the moment on the West Coast. A BNSF spokesman told AJOT, “The claim that we have a lack of railcar capacity for international shipments is inaccurate. BNSF is open for business and ready to receive all freight from ocean carriers at the West Coast ports. We have a railcar fleet in excess of demand and have sufficient locomotives, equipment and people across our network to handle current and additional volumes. As always, we are in constant communication with our customers and remain focused on meeting their shipment needs.”
And a UP spokeswoman referred AJOT to an August 26th statement by Kenny Rocker, executive vice president, Marketi:
The letter, signed by Federal Railroad Administrator Ron Batory and Surface Transportation Board Chair Ann Begeman read as follows:
In an August 27th analysis, Trains Magazine reporter Bill Stephens, contrasted responses of the BNSF and UP to spikes in summer imports at the Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach:
Stephens says UP did not move as fast: “UP took a much more measured approach, even as volume in June jumped 40% in Southern California from one week to the next. UP recalled crews and pulled locomotives and cars from storage, too. But UP did so at its own pace because railroads simply can’t handle such sudden swings in volume, UP Chief Operating Officer Jim Vena explained on the company’s earnings call in July.”
Stephens wondered about the different responses: “Why would BNSF move heaven and earth to capture volume while UP aimed to tightly manage its capacity?”
He says, “The most obvious answer is that UP’s response was straight out of the Precision Scheduled Railroading [PSR] playbook. Container traffic isn’t a high-margin business. Running empty trains, or repositioning empties, increases your costs and burns crews and locomotives while throwing your network out of balance.”
Or much worse, I can't work out exactly what this means..... (are the shipping containers full of the goods we are short of, or is there a true lack of transport trains creating the backlog???)
Zerohedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com
A Northern California logistics consultant was unable to book containers on the Burlington Northern Santa Fe (BNSF) or Union Pacific (UP) railroads for the first week of September going to and from U.S. West Coast ports and Midwest destinations.
The consultant said, “I have been working in the industry for thirty years and I have never seen anything like this. It’s weird.”
The result is that importers of low value products being shipped by containers such as tee shirts would be at an economic disadvantage transporting containers by truck as opposed to by rail between U.S. West Coast ports and Midwest destinations, because of the higher cost.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/i...est-coast-ports-cant-book-rail-bnsf-and-union
The consultant explained that there is a huge shortage of rail capacity: “There are no rail cars and there are no chassis.”
The consultant, who is not identified, was contracted to research container rail bookings on the UP and BNSF to and from U.S. West Coast ports including:
- Los Angeles
- Long Beach
- Oakland
- Seattle
The consultant cited the following trucking rates per container as examples:
- Los Angeles/ Long Beach to Chicago: $7000.
- LA/LB to New Berlin, Wisconsin: $6,700.
- LA/LB to Nashville, Tennessee: $7,200.
- LA/LB to Dallas, Texas: $5000.
- LA/LB to Jacksonville, Florida: $8,800.
The consultant said that in the past it had been possible to truck a container coast-to-coast for $2,000: “But those days are gone.”
In addition, “In the good old days you could ship a container from the West Coast to Chicago or Memphis by rail for $1000 dollars.”
The research found one exception. It was possible to ship a container on a COSCO vessel to Shanghai from Memphis, Tennessee via the Port of Prince Rupert, British Columbia utilizing the Canadian National Railway.
The problem: “The travel time was over twenty-one days which is way too slow.”
However, rail intermodal moves are a complex affair, particularly when there is a significant freight imbalance as there is at the moment on the West Coast. A BNSF spokesman told AJOT, “The claim that we have a lack of railcar capacity for international shipments is inaccurate. BNSF is open for business and ready to receive all freight from ocean carriers at the West Coast ports. We have a railcar fleet in excess of demand and have sufficient locomotives, equipment and people across our network to handle current and additional volumes. As always, we are in constant communication with our customers and remain focused on meeting their shipment needs.”
And a UP spokeswoman referred AJOT to an August 26th statement by Kenny Rocker, executive vice president, Marketi:
On August 24th, the heads of the Surface Transportation Board (STB) and the Federal Railway Administration (FRA) sent identical letters to the heads of the leading U.S. railroads, including the Union Pacific (UP) and the Burlington Northern Santa Fe (BNSF) expressing concerns about the adequacy of U.S. railroad service and the adequacy of personnel to transport freight.
The letter, signed by Federal Railroad Administrator Ron Batory and Surface Transportation Board Chair Ann Begeman read as follows:
Jack Hedge, Executive Director, Utah Inland Port Authority and formerly with the Port of Los Angeles, told AJOT that U.S. West Coast ports are also losing business to the Port of Prince Rupert, British Columbia for containers transported by the Canadian National Railway to and from Chicago and U.S. Midwest destinations: “Imports and exports transiting through the Canadian Port of Prince Rupert and Chicago pay $500 to $1000 less per move than by transporting containers to and from the West Coast ports and Chicago on the UP and BNSF.”
In an August 27th analysis, Trains Magazine reporter Bill Stephens, contrasted responses of the BNSF and UP to spikes in summer imports at the Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach:
Stephens first cited the response of BNSF:
Stephens says UP did not move as fast: “UP took a much more measured approach, even as volume in June jumped 40% in Southern California from one week to the next. UP recalled crews and pulled locomotives and cars from storage, too. But UP did so at its own pace because railroads simply can’t handle such sudden swings in volume, UP Chief Operating Officer Jim Vena explained on the company’s earnings call in July.”
Stephens added, “But UP also has used increasingly expensive surcharges in California – first $500 per container, then $1,500, and now a record $3,500, the Journal of Commerce reports – that tell potential low volume customers to hit the highway. This hurts UP’s partners, the intermodal marketing companies it relies on to fill its railroad-supplied containers.”
Stephens wondered about the different responses: “Why would BNSF move heaven and earth to capture volume while UP aimed to tightly manage its capacity?”
He says, “The most obvious answer is that UP’s response was straight out of the Precision Scheduled Railroading [PSR] playbook. Container traffic isn’t a high-margin business. Running empty trains, or repositioning empties, increases your costs and burns crews and locomotives while throwing your network out of balance.”
psychgirl
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Glenn Beck, radio talking about shipping issues right now.
A lot of it is backlogged from covid but also truckers not wanting to deliver in areas with rioters. I didn’t catch the whole segment unfortunately because I think he had more to say about why things are short supply
A lot of it is backlogged from covid but also truckers not wanting to deliver in areas with rioters. I didn’t catch the whole segment unfortunately because I think he had more to say about why things are short supply
psychgirl
Has No Life - Lives on TB
You sound just like my hubby!!
He’s been railing about how we flipped our factories back then, and no excuses why we aren’t now.
Jeff B.
Don’t let the Piss Ants get you down…
Around here, the TP and paper towel supply is stable to plentiful. A couple of things that I'm not seeing in stores are alcohol, peroxide and disinfecting wipes. Of the three, the wipes are a hit and miss thing. Alcohol and peroxide are basically out of stock permanently.
I haven't seen anything on the food side that's short any longer and the local Market Street grocery (Safeway Brand) has started their 2:1 meat specials that rotate on a weekly basis. So far I've seen ground beef, chicken breasts and porterhouse steaks.
I was at Costco yesterday and happened into a pallet of mixed Mountain House meals. I realized that the pallet would likely not last the day, so I grabbed a box, figuring they are a true LT type food item and that they'd be a good add to the case I got last year.
Ammunition remains very scarce, with retired guys at the club where I shoot stalking WalMart in the mornings to see what they put out. Reloading supplies are scarce, particularly primers which are not to be found right now...
Jeff B.
I haven't seen anything on the food side that's short any longer and the local Market Street grocery (Safeway Brand) has started their 2:1 meat specials that rotate on a weekly basis. So far I've seen ground beef, chicken breasts and porterhouse steaks.
I was at Costco yesterday and happened into a pallet of mixed Mountain House meals. I realized that the pallet would likely not last the day, so I grabbed a box, figuring they are a true LT type food item and that they'd be a good add to the case I got last year.
Ammunition remains very scarce, with retired guys at the club where I shoot stalking WalMart in the mornings to see what they put out. Reloading supplies are scarce, particularly primers which are not to be found right now...
Jeff B.
Pringle’s. lol. Didn’t think about spices.
SouthernBreeze
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Ammo and reloading supplies are about the only thing that's lacking in our area. We're gonna try to find more, tomorrow. Last week, Cary did find two boxes, and they were the last two in the store. No primers anywhere to be found, though.
Grocery stores are all stocked and back to normal. At least for now.
Grocery stores are all stocked and back to normal. At least for now.
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amazon
Veteran Member
When I order online it shows if it's in stock or when expected, and I PAY for it right then. I dont think some "jerk" should be able to override that. If they ordered online, they ordered it before you did. I dont see how you're entitled to it. They saw it, chose it, ordered it, and paid for it before you even showed up.
beDplorable
Senior Member
Interesting. We ordered 10 boxes (12 per box) of regular lids off amazon and got them within a week.
This was 2 weeks ago.
Amazon.com: Ball Regular Mouth Jar Lids 4 pack
Shop Ball at the Amazon Cookware store. Free Shipping on eligible items. Everyday low prices, save up to 50%.
www.amazon.com
sold by shadoWmax storefront
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Well, according to this article, either supply problems in the midwest are about to get much better.
Or much worse, I can't work out exactly what this means..... (are the shipping containers full of the goods we are short of, or is there a true lack of transport trains creating the backlog???)
Zerohedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
A Northern California logistics consultant was unable to book containers on the Burlington Northern Santa Fe (BNSF) or Union Pacific (UP) railroads for the first week of September going to and from U.S. West Coast ports and Midwest destinations.
The consultant said, “I have been working in the industry for thirty years and I have never seen anything like this. It’s weird.”
The result is that importers of low value products being shipped by containers such as tee shirts would be at an economic disadvantage transporting containers by truck as opposed to by rail between U.S. West Coast ports and Midwest destinations, because of the higher cost.
"I've Never Seen Anything Like This": Shippers Using West Coast Ports Can't Book Rail On BNSF And Union Pacific
The consultant explained that there is a huge shortage of rail capacity: “There are no rail cars and there are no chassis.”
The consultant, who is not identified, was contracted to research container rail bookings on the UP and BNSF to and from U.S. West Coast ports including:
The result of the research was that: “The railroads will not take any bookings right now and so all the containers going to and from the West Coast to places such as Chicago and Memphis must go by truck.”
- Los Angeles
- Long Beach
- Oakland
- Seattle
The consultant cited the following trucking rates per container as examples:
- Los Angeles/ Long Beach to Chicago: $7000.
- LA/LB to New Berlin, Wisconsin: $6,700.
- LA/LB to Nashville, Tennessee: $7,200.
- LA/LB to Dallas, Texas: $5000.
- LA/LB to Jacksonville, Florida: $8,800.
The consultant said that in the past it had been possible to truck a container coast-to-coast for $2,000: “But those days are gone.”
In addition, “In the good old days you could ship a container from the West Coast to Chicago or Memphis by rail for $1000 dollars.”
The research found one exception. It was possible to ship a container on a COSCO vessel to Shanghai from Memphis, Tennessee via the Port of Prince Rupert, British Columbia utilizing the Canadian National Railway.
The problem: “The travel time was over twenty-one days which is way too slow.”
However, rail intermodal moves are a complex affair, particularly when there is a significant freight imbalance as there is at the moment on the West Coast. A BNSF spokesman told AJOT, “The claim that we have a lack of railcar capacity for international shipments is inaccurate. BNSF is open for business and ready to receive all freight from ocean carriers at the West Coast ports. We have a railcar fleet in excess of demand and have sufficient locomotives, equipment and people across our network to handle current and additional volumes. As always, we are in constant communication with our customers and remain focused on meeting their shipment needs.”
And a UP spokeswoman referred AJOT to an August 26th statement by Kenny Rocker, executive vice president, Marketi:
On August 24th, the heads of the Surface Transportation Board (STB) and the Federal Railway Administration (FRA) sent identical letters to the heads of the leading U.S. railroads, including the Union Pacific (UP) and the Burlington Northern Santa Fe (BNSF) expressing concerns about the adequacy of U.S. railroad service and the adequacy of personnel to transport freight.
The letter, signed by Federal Railroad Administrator Ron Batory and Surface Transportation Board Chair Ann Begeman read as follows:
Jack Hedge, Executive Director, Utah Inland Port Authority and formerly with the Port of Los Angeles, told AJOT that U.S. West Coast ports are also losing business to the Port of Prince Rupert, British Columbia for containers transported by the Canadian National Railway to and from Chicago and U.S. Midwest destinations: “Imports and exports transiting through the Canadian Port of Prince Rupert and Chicago pay $500 to $1000 less per move than by transporting containers to and from the West Coast ports and Chicago on the UP and BNSF.”
In an August 27th analysis, Trains Magazine reporter Bill Stephens, contrasted responses of the BNSF and UP to spikes in summer imports at the Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach:
Stephens first cited the response of BNSF:
Stephens says UP did not move as fast: “UP took a much more measured approach, even as volume in June jumped 40% in Southern California from one week to the next. UP recalled crews and pulled locomotives and cars from storage, too. But UP did so at its own pace because railroads simply can’t handle such sudden swings in volume, UP Chief Operating Officer Jim Vena explained on the company’s earnings call in July.”
Stephens added, “But UP also has used increasingly expensive surcharges in California – first $500 per container, then $1,500, and now a record $3,500, the Journal of Commerce reports – that tell potential low volume customers to hit the highway. This hurts UP’s partners, the intermodal marketing companies it relies on to fill its railroad-supplied containers.”
Stephens wondered about the different responses: “Why would BNSF move heaven and earth to capture volume while UP aimed to tightly manage its capacity?”
He says, “The most obvious answer is that UP’s response was straight out of the Precision Scheduled Railroading [PSR] playbook. Container traffic isn’t a high-margin business. Running empty trains, or repositioning empties, increases your costs and burns crews and locomotives while throwing your network out of balance.”
Train traffic here has been down and exponentially, we live three blocks from the tracks. There used to be multiple trains through here every hour day and night and now maybe three or four trains per day.
Thats what is going on. Most items are available somewhere if you pay the asking price. I thought price gouging was illegal but guess not. I'm running into it more and more,
I live about 2 miles from the main tracks to the Port of Los Angeles. I'm not hearing anything hardly at all during the night. Also didn't see any trains today when we crossed the bridge.
Hawkgirl_70
Veteran Member
$25 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for 4 boxes???????????? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's insane!!!!!!!!!!
beDplorable
Senior Member
Maybe so. We went for it because we could and needed (wanted to really) top off.
Or, we could still be waiting for lids we ordered months ago?
