DISASTER China's Three Gorge Dam in Danger

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LawPoet

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Never heard of Clif High before. His YouTube video today is here:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moLrQ24TPJs


The title "Immigrants Guide to Sci Fi World"--really does NOT properly summarize his presentation. YES, a big picture lecture, with huge emphasis on Chinese break up; ice age; and so much more. His "Ice Age" analysis is totally over my head. I'm not smart enough nor do I know enough to gauge his competency.

I have NO idea if he has true insight, but what I sampled above appeared to reflect a claim of capability of integrating vast quantities of data and forming tentative conclusions and making predictions. He expects China to break up into 7 different regions and gives some cogent reasons. He anticipates "REVOLUTION TOWARD CAPITALISM". His insights into world/USA political/social dynamics have a ring of wisdom.

EDIT: Simplistic research online reveals critics and fans. Most critical opinion from one ROGER HENDY here:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlFcqVCyWiU



QUOTE OF SUMMARY: "This video is an introduction to one of Youtube's King Scammers and frauds. Clif High is a highly intelligent person who understands networking and has developed an entity known as the "Web Bot' which is like a digital crystal ball that searches the internet and collects data which is correlated and interpreted by Clif into events with given time lines. This is all bullshit. The Web Bot is Clif himself, he makes a series of very calculated guesses and then writes 31 pages of dribble which a lot of people find incomprehensible and he also charges you $99usd for the privilege of being scammed. BEWARE of this Bullshit artist and his 'Web Bot', he's turned an idea into a little religious like following of naive 'yes men' and the Church of Web Bot keeps growing because of it's network effect. It's disgraceful."

I can't tell whose scamming whom. LawPoet
 
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LawPoet

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Why is it that for the past few days we were receiving articulate, well-reasoned analyses from sources who could translate Chinese, appeared to have "inside information" and also seemed to be "dialed in" to the truth and today I'm seeing little of value which truly advances this topic?

"I'm 'outta here" and I will wait for "time to tell" what actually happens.
 
Doomer Doug

Doomer Doug

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I'm not sure if Cliff High is associated with Half Past Human and George Ure who is on the banned list. I do know he has a real toxic impact and people feel strongly about him on both sides.

So, here is tonight and its FULL DOSE of Doom and Gloom and Kaboom.
First, we now have floods in Saudi Arabia.

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Doomer Doug

Doomer Doug

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This may have already been posted, but nothing is more doom and gloom than a simulation of total disaster from the collapse of the Three Gorge Dam.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlUiZY3G8IM


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CHINA'S THREE GORGES DAM SIMULATION COLLAPSE - LEAKED VIDEO
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cowboy

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bw, You are right about the gate system. I had to get my magnifying glass out to see. I can see how the cranes can lift a slide that has the top pulley as a tensioner to open the bottom gates. I'm not sure but it looks like there is a motor and gear box turned 90 degrees that drives some bock and tackle system to work the upper gates. I can see where that system can due a lot of damage if it missed its limit or something got sideways and jammed things up
 
Melodi

Melodi

Disaster Cat
LawPoet said:
Why is it that for the past few days we were receiving articulate, well-reasoned analyses from sources who could translate Chinese, appeared to have "inside information" and also seemed to be "dialed in" to the truth and today I'm seeing little of value which truly advances this topic?

"I'm 'outta here" and I will wait for "time to tell" what actually happens.
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That's because almost all the public information has gone dark, and as even some of the engineers have pointed out - this "crises" could go on for days - this isn't Hollywood where a "Global Superstorm" that even in the book takes months is boiled down to less than a week to destroy most of the world.

In fact, it is totally possible (as others have pointed out - Squib, Doc1, me and I are sure I missed a few) that the dam might survive this round without actually falling down, but if nothing is done collapse six months or six years from now; probably suddenly and catastrophically because people will have gone back to their normal lives.

At least for now, there have reportedly been evacuations, attempts to shut down nuke plants, and other measures taken to try to mitigate the damage, that won't be there if it suddenly collapses in a heap next January or something.

The CCP knows (as does everyone else in government or the industry) that all-over-the-world the public's tolerance for a news story is about two weeks before something either changes or it falls off the radar (especially if it is "far away and over dare."

I mean there's no reason any individual here has to spend 24/7 worrying about this, but being aware and checking in once a day is probably a wise idea.
 
Melodi

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Oh and Cliff High - He's a polarizing person and his web bots are controversial, I'll only say that I am seeing signs that both Alphabet Agencies and some Private Tech companies SEEM to be coming up with similar programs that try and guess the public mode or even predict the future using "language on the internet."

That said, Cliff himself is an extremely high IQ individual with all the quirky "crazy ideas" that sometimes goes along with that, he can invent machines that help him enough to support his family and build boats by hand; and to me, he is perfectly capable of doing some very interesting geo-political analyzing with or without the web bots.

So I find him worth LISTENING to, but he is one of many sources that I listen to (I am also a member of the web bots forum, if people are really interested may want to visit - I also think we may want to start a thread for Cliff in Unexplained).
 
naegling62

naegling62

Veteran Member
LawPoet said:
Never heard of Clif High before. His YouTube video today is here:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moLrQ24TPJs


The title "Immigrants Guide to Sci Fi World"--really does NOT properly summarize his presentation. YES, a big picture lecture, with huge emphasis on Chinese break up; ice age; and so much more. His "Ice Age" analysis is totally over my head. I'm not smart enough nor do I know enough to gauge his competency.

I have NO idea if he has true insight, but what I sampled above appeared to reflect a claim of capability of integrating vast quantities of data and forming tentative conclusions and making predictions. He expects China to break up into 7 different regions and gives some cogent reasons. He anticipates "REVOLUTION TOWARD CAPITALISM". His insights into world/USA political/social dynamics have a ring of wisdom.

EDIT: Simplistic research online reveals critics and fans. Most critical opinion from one ROGER HENDY here:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlFcqVCyWiU



QUOTE OF SUMMARY: "This video is an introduction to one of Youtube's King Scammers and frauds. Clif High is a highly intelligent person who understands networking and has developed an entity known as the "Web Bot' which is like a digital crystal ball that searches the internet and collects data which is correlated and interpreted by Clif into events with given time lines. This is all bullshit. The Web Bot is Clif himself, he makes a series of very calculated guesses and then writes 31 pages of dribble which a lot of people find incomprehensible and he also charges you $99usd for the privilege of being scammed. BEWARE of this Bullshit artist and his 'Web Bot', he's turned an idea into a little religious like following of naive 'yes men' and the Church of Web Bot keeps growing because of it's network effect. It's disgraceful."

I can't tell whose scamming whom. LawPoet
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Thou shalt not ridicule or blaspheme the Taoist Doom prognostic of the ages! Anyway, he's been around a long time and is really interesting to listen to. Take it as entertainment at best but always nervously look into the horizon to see if anything he says is coming your way.
 
Grouchy Granny

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To return to our main programming (since we just took a short break for other purposes), I wonder if they are monitoring the seepage inside the dam?

All of the ones I've had the pleasure to get the insider view of (Hoover, Glen Canyon, Grand Coulee) all have galleries running the length of the dam with gutters on the reservoir side to catch the seepage. And they all seep.

During high water events it was someone's task to wander the galleries (all of them) and measure the amount of water running in the gutters.

Inquiring minds just want to know....
 
Wildweasel

Wildweasel

F-4 Phantoms Phorever
Grouchy Granny said:
To return to our main programming (since we just took a short break for other purposes), I wonder if they are monitoring the seepage inside the dam?

All of the ones I've had the pleasure to get the insider view of (Hoover, Glen Canyon, Grand Coulee) all have galleries running the length of the dam with gutters on the reservoir side to catch the seepage. And they all seep.

During high water events it was someone's task to wander the galleries (all of them) and measure the amount of water running in the gutters.

Inquiring minds just want to know....
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There was a report in The Asia Times over the weekend about the lower set of spillway gates being opened. The reports said that the whole dam was shaking when those gates were open and that there was water in the tunnels.

My bet would be that the tunnels at the bottom level of the dam which is probably where the several millimeter wide, 2.5 meter deep cracks reported back in 2006 were located. Additionally officials said there was a shift of a few millimeters in the dam and "some buckling" that took place.

3 Gorges side view to show location of upper and lower flood gates plus the tunnels (in yellow) inside the dam.
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CGTech

CGTech

Has No Life - Lives on TB
THREE GORGES DAM UPDATE
A few days ago I posted an article about the dangers posed to China's massive Three Gorges Dam due to unprecedented rainfall. A few of you asked what the international implications might be if this dam bursts.
I came across a fascinating thread on Twitter written by @man_integrated. He provides a good deal of background information about the dam and the Yangtse River system -- all important, but here I've copied and pasted a few of his points regarding how this event would affect the entire world.
1. If TGDam bursts, a 100m-tall wall of water will rush out at more than 100 km/hr. In 30 minutes, Yichang and its 4 million residents will be engulfed.
2. Zero+1 hour, Jingzhou and 5.7 million people will be swept away.
Zero+5, the major industrial city of Yueyang (5.5 mil people) will sit 5m underwater.
Zero+10 hours, Wuhan (11 mil people) will face flooding of 6-8m in all major industrial and port zones.
3. Zero+15 hours, Jiujiang (another major PPE hub with 4.7 mil residents) will be hit with several meters of flooding. All cropland and infrastructure will be flooded and damaged.
Zero+24 hours, Shanghai's neighboring city of Nanjing will see its port crippled.
4. Note, the Yangtze watershed is massive, but Biblical levels of rain have been flooding western and central China for weeks.
There simply is nowhere for the water to go, except outwards towards the East China Sea, and the world's largest port of Shanghai.
5. In simple terms, the Yangtze River logistics and manufacturing complex comprises 46% of the volume of the largest port on earth, since all cargo flows through Shanghai.
Failure of the Three Gorges Dam would annihilate the entire logistics infrastructure of central China.
6. The Yangtze River east of the dam bases many PLA anti-air, ballistic missile, and PLA Air Force assets.
Several entities (Taiwan included) have speculated openly about the ability to strike the dam with missiles and cause massive downstream devastation.
7. Such an unlikely attack on the dam would no doubt trigger immediate reprisal by the CCP and PLA.
But what happens if the dam naturally fails due to excessive water and engineering flaws?
How does China respond, and how do foreign companies recover manufacturing capacity?
8. The Yangtze River Economic Basin has a GDP of more than $6.5 trillion, or about half of all China's GDP.
Recall, China represents 28% of all manufacturing output - globally. More than half of that is in the YREB.
15% of the world's production would go offline in 24 hours.
9. It's the habit of authoritarian regimes to deflect from domestic disasters by lashing outward to external enemies or entities.
It is thus a certainty that a failure of the dam will be painted as enemy action - likely pointing the finger at the US and/or Taiwan
10. The middle reach of the Yangtze River is also China's main agriculture production zone, where the crops are enaring harvest.
African Swine Fever rages on.
Famine will follow without huge imports of protein from the US, Europe, and S. America.
****He has so many more details if you'd like to read more. Here is the link, https://twitter.com/man_integrated/status/1287836332883050498

(found this on a fb feed)
 
bw

bw

Fringe Ranger
There are always lots of freighters in Shanghai. If a catastrophic flood heads that way, they will have very limited time to finish whatever they can and get the heck out of Dodge. Thousand-container ships don't do whitewater very well.
 
The Mountain

The Mountain

Here since the beginning
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CGTech said:
THREE GORGES DAM UPDATE
A few days ago I posted an article about the dangers posed to China's massive Three Gorges Dam due to unprecedented rainfall. A few of you asked what the international implications might be if this dam bursts.
I came across a fascinating thread on Twitter written by @man_integrated. He provides a good deal of background information about the dam and the Yangtse River system -- all important, but here I've copied and pasted a few of his points regarding how this event would affect the entire world.
1. If TGDam bursts, a 100m-tall wall of water will rush out at more than 100 km/hr. In 30 minutes, Yichang and its 4 million residents will be engulfed.
2. Zero+1 hour, Jingzhou and 5.7 million people will be swept away.
Zero+5, the major industrial city of Yueyang (5.5 mil people) will sit 5m underwater.
Zero+10 hours, Wuhan (11 mil people) will face flooding of 6-8m in all major industrial and port zones.
3. Zero+15 hours, Jiujiang (another major PPE hub with 4.7 mil residents) will be hit with several meters of flooding. All cropland and infrastructure will be flooded and damaged.
Zero+24 hours, Shanghai's neighboring city of Nanjing will see its port crippled.
4. Note, the Yangtze watershed is massive, but Biblical levels of rain have been flooding western and central China for weeks.
There simply is nowhere for the water to go, except outwards towards the East China Sea, and the world's largest port of Shanghai.
5. In simple terms, the Yangtze River logistics and manufacturing complex comprises 46% of the volume of the largest port on earth, since all cargo flows through Shanghai.
Failure of the Three Gorges Dam would annihilate the entire logistics infrastructure of central China.
6. The Yangtze River east of the dam bases many PLA anti-air, ballistic missile, and PLA Air Force assets.
Several entities (Taiwan included) have speculated openly about the ability to strike the dam with missiles and cause massive downstream devastation.
7. Such an unlikely attack on the dam would no doubt trigger immediate reprisal by the CCP and PLA.
But what happens if the dam naturally fails due to excessive water and engineering flaws?
How does China respond, and how do foreign companies recover manufacturing capacity?
8. The Yangtze River Economic Basin has a GDP of more than $6.5 trillion, or about half of all China's GDP.
Recall, China represents 28% of all manufacturing output - globally. More than half of that is in the YREB.
15% of the world's production would go offline in 24 hours.
9. It's the habit of authoritarian regimes to deflect from domestic disasters by lashing outward to external enemies or entities.
It is thus a certainty that a failure of the dam will be painted as enemy action - likely pointing the finger at the US and/or Taiwan
10. The middle reach of the Yangtze River is also China's main agriculture production zone, where the crops are enaring harvest.
African Swine Fever rages on.
Famine will follow without huge imports of protein from the US, Europe, and S. America.
****He has so many more details if you'd like to read more. Here is the link, https://twitter.com/man_integrated/status/1287836332883050498

(found this on a fb feed)
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Add to your list that Shanghai's huge financial district and banks (The Bund and the Pudong New Area) are bare feet above the water level on a good day, and most of Pudong is reclaimed land and very marshy. Even that far downstream, the floodwater from 3GD would inundate both areas, shutting them down for weeks, and that much water might well undermine some of the tall skyscrapers in Pudong.
 
Warm Wisconsin

Warm Wisconsin

Easy as 3.141592653589..
For the first time since the “third” flood started we are seeing the levels drop to 163.35 meters

The inflow is already slightly less than the discharge

The BIG concern for the last 2 weeks was that the dam would be overtopped. Many thought the Chinese couldn’t release enough water to deal with the inflow of the third flood. Those concerns are now past.

The next big concern is the dam was undercut and is spewing water underneath the spillway. Once the water levels get down to 150 meters and they close the spillway gates we should be able to see if the dam is undercut. As they close the gates it will also prove the gates are still in operational condition. Time should tell in the next 5 or so days.

We still may have a “fourth” flood in the next week or so, but the weather models are starting to lean away from this possibility. It’s weather and we all know the models can be wrong.
 
Doomer Doug

Doomer Doug

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Hah, trying to weasel out of doom and gloom and more doom? You can run but you will just get tired. It has not even begun to rain!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnkRcq6n2JE


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3 GORGES DAM AND FLOODS ALONG THE YANGTZE UPDATE
3 GORGES DAM AND FLOODS ALONG THE YANGTZE UPDATE The Yangtze River is flooding for the third time since the start of the 2020 monsoon season, as heavy torrential rains continue to batter large parts of China. Extensive flooding along Asia’s longest river, its tributaries, and other major rivers in China has already displaced more than 2 million people, according to state media. JAMES NEIL COOPER My Channel.
 
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