BRKG Navy amphib ship on fire-San Diego
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mzkitty
I give up.
Article:
Navy Ship Continues to Burn Off San Diego After Fire Injures 57 (Published 2020)
A Navy spokesman said that 34 sailors and 23 civilians were treated for minor injuries after a fire and explosion aboard the U.S.S. Bonhomme Richard.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
They LIKELY have confined space fire training, and if their PTB have NOT gotten training in a ship they have been betrayed. It's not like they could NOT get training.. Navy Fire is right there.
Hawkgirl_70
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Can it sink?
Macgyver
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At the dock, only so far into the mud.
Here is a video of the explosion.
It is from a long way away but it is still really loud.
It happens at about the 52 second mark
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=65&v=IK9-52OoZ2I&feature=emb_logo
It is from a long way away but it is still really loud.
It happens at about the 52 second mark
mzkitty
I give up.
Just brought up an old memory. When I was around 18, one of the guys in my neighborhood became a sailor on the USS Caloosahatchee (named for a river in FL). We wrote letters back and forth for a while, and when he came home and got out we had one date (he was much "faster" than I was, having been a sailor, after all). I never thought about him after that.
Here is the ship, and I never knew there was such a thing as an oiler.
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Here is the ship, and I never knew there was such a thing as an oiler.
USS Caloosahatchee - Wikipedia
Macgyver
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There pumping alot of water at that ship. Depending on how many hatches are open and if there is any redundant power keeping the bilge pumped out it could sink theoretically from the water being hosed onto it.
energy_wave
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Accident or sabotage? Similar to Notre Dame in a way.
Youtube has great live video of this event.
An Oiler is basically a at sea gas station. It carries fuel and can refuel other ships while underway at sea.Just brought up an old memory. When I was around 18, one of the guys in my neighborhood became a sailor on the USS Caloosahatchee (named for a river in FL). We wrote letters back and forth for a while, and when he came home and got out we had one date (he was much "faster" than I was, having been a sailor, after all). I never thought about him after that.
Here is the ship, and I never knew there was such a thing as an oiler.
USS Caloosahatchee - Wikipedia
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ohiohippie
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what causes different colors of smoke? ty
Meadowlark
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rumor has it that it started by welding.
Most fires on ships in maintenance are caused by that and improper fire watches.
If you do hot work on a ship, you are supposed to have a fire watch.
I still don't know what caused the explosion. It was loud a mile away.
Sid Vicious
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I forget if LHDs have a full length hanger like the carriers. It looks like the spaces above the well, and the tower are on fire. I am really surprised that the ships next to them are not mustering their sailors on the pier to go fight the fire. We had a similar situation in Norfolk when the LPD next to us caught fire. Damage control and fire teams from a sub, our ship, various DDGs and a CG were lined up on the pier ready to relieve the ships crew.
If they decide to let this thing burn out over the next few days the next stop for this ship is the scrapyard.
If they decide to let this thing burn out over the next few days the next stop for this ship is the scrapyard.
Bolerpuller
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Is this ship still armed? I would guess they would take munitions off before repairs?
SpokaneMan
Veteran Member
Well they do now if they didn't. The thing is ALL US Sailors undergo firefighting training in boot camp. At least we did back in the day. Firefighting is the secondary rating for sailors. One of the carriers I was on (Forestall) had a couple fires out in the middle of the ocean. That in itself is motivating to get that fire put down.
Sid Vicious
Veteran Member
For a refit they would have stopped by the local gas station and pumped most of the fuel back out. Same with munitions. They try to leave as little as possible when any ship is in port. Most of those ships in the stream likely have enough gas and munitions to fight 1 very short battle.
beDplorable
Senior Member
Back in the day I was on an AE. Think an AO is a floating bomb? AE is an ammunition supply ship.
We had a major fire, at sea (fully loaded). Still not sure how I am here to comment today.
USS Nitro (AE-23) - Wikipedia
Nowski
Let's Go Brandon!
Just brought up an old memory. When I was around 18, one of the guys in my neighborhood became a sailor on the USS Caloosahatchee (named for a river in FL). We wrote letters back and forth for a while, and when he came home and got out we had one date (he was much "faster" than I was, having been a sailor, after all). I never thought about him after that.
Here is the ship, and I never knew there was such a thing as an oiler.
USS Caloosahatchee - Wikipedia
mzkitty,
I was in the US Navy 1974-1976, and was home ported
in Naples IT, from 1975-1976.
I remember seeing the USS Caloosahatchee(AO-98),
when it arrived in Naples IT, for repairs after a collision,
with USS Inchon(LPH-12) and USS Hermitage(LSD-34).
It was there maybe a couple of months, in order to get
repaired enough for the voyage back to Norfolk VA.
1975 was a bad year for the US Navy,
in regards to ship collisions and ship fires.
In November 1975, the USS Belknap(CG-26) collided with
the USS John F. Kennedy(CV-67). The resulting fires,
burned the aluminum superstructure down to the steel deck.
I remember being on a boat, that went past the Belknap,
while it was tied up to a pier in the shipyard. Sailors died
on the Belknap, and me and my shipmates saw,
the damage from that collision, and what a fire can do to a ship.
Fires on a ship are absolute hell, and its why the US Navy
gives every US sailor basic training, on how to fight
a shipboard fire. There ain’t nowheres else to go.
I am glad that the USS BonhommeRichard(LHD-6),
is in port, and not out at sea.
Please be safe everyone. Thoughts now for all US military,
but especially for US sailors out at sea.
Regards to all.
Nowski
I agree, ship board fires at sea are always serious. Never, (thank God experienced one), collision at sea with injuries and running aground where the extend of my experiences. As a commissioned officer fire fighting/damage control was a major part of training, (back in the 70's).
The most boring and can be least attentive duty is welding fire watch. You just sit or stand with a fire extinguisher and do nothing. Then when its over you are still there for another bunch of hours.
It’s real easy for the person on watch to think about calling it early and walk up for a snack, that is until this happens.
At least on subs there is documentation on who and where and how long and you sign off on the paperwork.
Not a good day for the person, the supervisor, the officer in charge, the Engineering officer and ships Captain.
It’s real easy for the person on watch to think about calling it early and walk up for a snack, that is until this happens.
At least on subs there is documentation on who and where and how long and you sign off on the paperwork.
Not a good day for the person, the supervisor, the officer in charge, the Engineering officer and ships Captain.
and there are a lot of people with family ties to China in that area I am sure a few work as civilian subcontractors. Maybe another shot from our ‘friend’ Xi.
Shipboard fires, especially aircraft carriers that are made primarily out of steel, literally carry hundreds of tons of internal fuel oil, jet fuel, gasoline, diesel fuel, paint, solvents and multiple flammable oil based products. These types of fires are extremely hard to put out once started, due to limited personnel, limited access and visibility in & of the fire area, and very high fire temperatures generated in these confined spaces. Fire Management planning and response is limited (Fog of Fire) by lack of information as only the exterior parts of the fire are exposed. The fire can travel in ductwork, piping, etc. and travel in behind the response team and not be known until too late. If fuel tanks are exposed to high heat, to avoid a "BLEVE" (boiling liquid evaporating vapor explosion which is a VERY bad thing), US Navy ships internal shipboard piping is interlinked to allow transfer of flammable liquids from the threatened area to a safe zone. On the downside, it also allows jet fuel to penetrate into the drinking water. I can still fondly remember the rainbow sheen on the fresh water as it flowed in an arc from every water fountain, sink and shower.
I was trained by the Navy on aircraft and shipboard firefighting and even the training was a bit*h. In the early 70's, off the coast of Vietnam, we experienced a large machinery room fire on the aft end of the USS Ranger (CVA-61). Being at sea, we were able to put the wind on the bow and blow the smoke away from the ship which greatly assisted our fire team. The USS BHR being in port, has to sit itout and the fire response team forced to wear air tanks, heavy clothing and limited visibility. I can really feel for them for what they are going through. Our fire raged for hours and burned out the machinery room and "baked" everything two decks above and around before it was put out. Even as bad as it was, we still launched airstrikes the following day. We learned in WW2 and Vietnam, the Navy builds ships to be durable to explosives and fire damage.
Based upon the color of the smoke (Greyish white) and smoke exhaust locations, the fires seems to be in the personnel and office type areas directly under the flight deck and maybe into the vehicle storage spaces, although how the fire traveled 500 to 700 feet from the front of island to the aft end of the ship is unusual. Both the helo storage and vehicle storage areas have massive fire monitors ( USS Tarawa LHA-1) to combat fires in these areas and contain very litte combustibles. The dark black smoke at the aft of the ship was heavy carbon based which indicates a oil product burning. I did not see smoke coming out of the helo hangar openings which is also confusing. The good thing is the fire boats are keeping the hull plates cool so they don't buckle from the extreme heat ($$$$$ to repair).
As all ships systems including weapons, operate with electronic equipment, with the amount of carbon that has been released within and around the ship, every piece of electronic equipment on the ship will require replacement or suffer high early failure rates. The carbon will absorb the moisture in the air and form carbonic acid, which will attack electronic PCB board connection insulation and solid state devices, hard drive disk platters and other sensitive electrical equipment. I hope the people on watch of the downwind ships had the common sense to shutdown their ships and shelter in place before the smoke became too dense. If they left the ship outside air intake units on and smoke was pulled into their ships, their electronics may be impacted as well. This type of impact on electronics has been well documented by FM Global following large fires in or near large Data Center farms.
As the ship was in for a extended inport maintenance period, I doubt if it has any helo's or Marine vehicles onboard which would greater increase the fire spread and response. I still expect the BR repair costs to be in the $100 to $500 million range depending on how hot the flight deck became and what equipment rooms were impacted. This could go into the billion plus range if the electronics on the other ships were impacted.
I was trained by the Navy on aircraft and shipboard firefighting and even the training was a bit*h. In the early 70's, off the coast of Vietnam, we experienced a large machinery room fire on the aft end of the USS Ranger (CVA-61). Being at sea, we were able to put the wind on the bow and blow the smoke away from the ship which greatly assisted our fire team. The USS BHR being in port, has to sit itout and the fire response team forced to wear air tanks, heavy clothing and limited visibility. I can really feel for them for what they are going through. Our fire raged for hours and burned out the machinery room and "baked" everything two decks above and around before it was put out. Even as bad as it was, we still launched airstrikes the following day. We learned in WW2 and Vietnam, the Navy builds ships to be durable to explosives and fire damage.
Based upon the color of the smoke (Greyish white) and smoke exhaust locations, the fires seems to be in the personnel and office type areas directly under the flight deck and maybe into the vehicle storage spaces, although how the fire traveled 500 to 700 feet from the front of island to the aft end of the ship is unusual. Both the helo storage and vehicle storage areas have massive fire monitors ( USS Tarawa LHA-1) to combat fires in these areas and contain very litte combustibles. The dark black smoke at the aft of the ship was heavy carbon based which indicates a oil product burning. I did not see smoke coming out of the helo hangar openings which is also confusing. The good thing is the fire boats are keeping the hull plates cool so they don't buckle from the extreme heat ($$$$$ to repair).
As all ships systems including weapons, operate with electronic equipment, with the amount of carbon that has been released within and around the ship, every piece of electronic equipment on the ship will require replacement or suffer high early failure rates. The carbon will absorb the moisture in the air and form carbonic acid, which will attack electronic PCB board connection insulation and solid state devices, hard drive disk platters and other sensitive electrical equipment. I hope the people on watch of the downwind ships had the common sense to shutdown their ships and shelter in place before the smoke became too dense. If they left the ship outside air intake units on and smoke was pulled into their ships, their electronics may be impacted as well. This type of impact on electronics has been well documented by FM Global following large fires in or near large Data Center farms.
As the ship was in for a extended inport maintenance period, I doubt if it has any helo's or Marine vehicles onboard which would greater increase the fire spread and response. I still expect the BR repair costs to be in the $100 to $500 million range depending on how hot the flight deck became and what equipment rooms were impacted. This could go into the billion plus range if the electronics on the other ships were impacted.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
CaBuckeye... SOBERING evaluation. Thank you.
energy_wave
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Still burning.
Live ground video,
USS Bonhomme Richard on fire at Naval Base San Diego - July 12, 2020
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39sRT4_pvTs
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Live ground video,
USS Bonhomme Richard on fire at Naval Base San Diego - July 12, 2020
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Bubble Head
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Yes it can but highly unlikely. This ship has been in overhaul for two years and 250 million later. It must have been pretty close to ready for sea trials. Not sure who was welding on a Sunday morning unless it was a Yardbird. Navy personnel usually have Sunday off even those still aboard. They are there just to stand watch. It will be interesting to see how this fire started and who started it.
I was involved fighting two fires at sea. It is not anything you want to do but the Navy does train you well for the event. This fire is at dock with lots of resources available to fight it. Saying it could take days or weeks to put out does not sound correct to me.