I have to wear a mask 10 hours while at work. I found these cheap looped over the ears mask and wear these. They are the only masks I can breath with. Some of the surgical masks drop my oxygen sats into the high 80's. I agree that we are not helping prevent the spread of covid with any of the masks being used. I let my patients remove their masks behind the curtains if they wish. I feel these masks are killing us. I wear mine as loosely as I can get away with. I am sure I will catch covid again. So I still take some elderberry juice everyday and Vitamin C and D. Also oregano oil. I also think we will see a lot of people with cavities on their teeth. The masks make my mouth so dry. As soon as I walk away from my patients I lower my mask for a minute or two before seeing the next one.
COMMUNISM Deep down we all know this is a farce, so why do we wear masks
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And YES I would hug someone with it, WASH,WASH, WASH your hands, do NOT touch your face. Especially your eyes! You probably will be ok.
Groucho
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Ford vs. Chevy debate.
223 vs. 7.62 debate.
9 vs 45 debate
Mask vs No Mask debate.
None of these arguments seem to go into that good night to be heard (mercifully) no more.
They're all like the Energizer Bunny.
Pretty much like MacBeth - full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
223 vs. 7.62 debate.
9 vs 45 debate
Mask vs No Mask debate.
None of these arguments seem to go into that good night to be heard (mercifully) no more.
They're all like the Energizer Bunny.
Pretty much like MacBeth - full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Skyraider
Senior Member
Deep Down, I really don’t give a rat’s ass what anyone thinks. I’ll mask up when I want too and I assure you, it will not cause shrinkage of penis or testicles. I’ll continue to lay low, stay grey and keep stacking. Neither chest thumping or hand wringing interests me.
“This ain’t no party, this ain’t no Disco,
This ain’t no fooling around
No time for dancing, or lovey dovey,
I ain’t got time for that now.”
Skyraider
“This ain’t no party, this ain’t no Disco,
This ain’t no fooling around
No time for dancing, or lovey dovey,
I ain’t got time for that now.”
Skyraider
Troke I get it. My parents are 73 and 77. One of the reasons we are moving them closer to us is so that it will make it easier for me to run errands so they don't have to and I can help with their health needs.
Now, that said, Dr. G is not just blowing smoke or smoking dope. I've had double bronchial pneumonia twice in my life. Once when I was 18 months old during the 1968 flu pandemic - which left me with lifelong learning challenges - and once in 1975 when my family moved to Florida and the environmental change created havoc for me.
I also have a long history of ear, nose, throat and upper lung infections due to some congenital issues as well as left over immune carpet bombing of my body in 1968.
So when it comes to infections I know what to be worried about and what not. Right before I turned 21 and was out of school and married my immune system finally repaired enough that I didn't catch everything going around. Then my mother in law passed away when I was late 20s and pregnant with our third child. It rained the day we buried her. And I developed bronchitis so bad that it might as well have been pneumonia, they enduced me 2.5 weeks early so they could pump me full of antibiotics and keep me from dying.
Trust me ... the pneumonia issue that Dr. G highlighted is very real and very dangerous. I had yet another argument with a store manager on this issue today. By law they cannot ask me for proof of medical condition or even ask me what my condition is if I say I have a medical waiver. People are trying to say that the ADA doesn't apply to this situation and they are wrong. If I wear a mask it interferes with my breathing and may very well create an unhealthy environment creating a potential for pneumonia which, given my history could kill me. My mother has COPD and the danger is the same for her but she wears a mask because she has weighed her age and condition and falls on the side of either a mask or she doesn't go out which is currently their choice ... they only leave the house for "drive in church" and doctor's appointments. I drive 3 hours one way at the moment to take them everything else they need.
No one is saying covid19 is a hoax. You have to weigh the pros and cons of your personal situation. A great deal of misinformation and the politicization of masks and other health issues are creating a situation where the bad guys are winning. No one can build your wall or bunker for you. The only way to keep you safe is to make choices based on your needs that you can control. The masks aren't really working ... to keep the individual safe or to keep them safe from others. Wrong tool for the wrong job.
Sportsman
Veteran Member
You don't know my personal medical opinion on mask wearing. It doesn't matter. When considering the stores that require masks, I'm just wondering how we can be almost 100 posts into this discussion without anyone remembering...
My house, my rules! Your house, your rules!
The libertarian living within me would treat this the same way he treats those "no ccw" signs on store fronts. To him, that means "No gun = no dollars, shop elsewhere". Remember, your house, your rules. So those packing should go elsewhere.
Costco has a no-gun policy. I just looked it up:
customerservice.costco.com
So do all you that wear masks to get inside Costco disarm first or just tuck the shirt in a little differently? How's that cognitive dissonance doing?
My house, my rules! Your house, your rules!
The libertarian living within me would treat this the same way he treats those "no ccw" signs on store fronts. To him, that means "No gun = no dollars, shop elsewhere". Remember, your house, your rules. So those packing should go elsewhere.
Costco has a no-gun policy. I just looked it up:
Are guns & personal firearms allowed in Costco Warehouses?
Welcome to the Costco Customer Service page. Explore our many helpful self-service options and learn more about popular topics.
customerservice.costco.com
So do all you that wear masks to get inside Costco disarm first or just tuck the shirt in a little differently? How's that cognitive dissonance doing?
You don't know my personal medical opinion on mask wearing. It doesn't matter. When considering the stores that require masks, I'm just wondering how we can be almost 100 posts into this discussion without anyone remembering...
My house, my rules! Your house, your rules!
The libertarian living within me would treat this the same way he treats those "no ccw" signs on store fronts. To him, that means "No gun = no dollars, shop elsewhere". Remember, your house, your rules. So those packing should go elsewhere.
Costco has a no-gun policy. I just looked it up:
Are guns & personal firearms allowed in Costco Warehouses?
Welcome to the Costco Customer Service page. Explore our many helpful self-service options and learn more about popular topics.
So do all you that wear masks to get inside Costco disarm first or just tuck the shirt in a little differently? How's that cognitive dissonance doing?
I stopped shopping at Costco months back when they instituted their mask policy. It hasn't kept their employees from both getting it and transmitting it. Same for walmarts when they started making their employees wear masks ... it didn't stop it.
Now my county and all of the surrounding counties have mask requirements and it is a $500 ticket if you don't in a couple of places. My son who already has to wear a mask because he works in an acute care facility has done our grocery shopping for us but I've had to do it lately because he is picking up more hours because some of the employees tested positive despite all precautions and when that happens they can't go into work until they have two negative tests. They don't have symptoms but with mandated testing at the facility you are going to catch a lot of asymptomatic carriers. They still haven't had any covid19 patients and the new hospital wing is all but empty. Lots of motorcycle injuries but no covid.
I just fight it out. It is a pain and tiring and makes me nearly hate people at a level I've never felt before. It takes a lot of self control to go out these days. And that is why a lot of businesses are going to have to close their doors permanently. If you don't stand against something like this then you are letting it happen by omission.
So while I agree with your house, your rules ... in the face of tyranny and coercion I cannot always let that guide me.
Blue 5
Veteran Member
Same here. I haven't worn one yet, and don't plan to. If people choose to do that I think it's their face and they can wear whatever they want, but I won't have it forced on me.
WFK
Senior Something
I don't really care whether you wear a mask. That is not the point.
I resent to be labelled as a member of "enforced group think."
I resent to be analyzed as to my motivation for anything by anyone!
Is that a sport?
Hfcomms
EN66iq
On that there is no argument among this group I think. For most people properly wearing PPE is a net benefit with little downside risk. A ‘vaccine’ pumped out in a hurry by big pharma is a huge risk especially with vaccine producers having limited to no liability to the safety or even viability of their product.
psychgirl
Has No Life - Lives on TB
This is where I stand. I only wear it when I have to but even that’s getting to be really old.
It more creepy to me how nearly EVERYTHING has been geared toward this disease and being literally shoved and crammed into our psyche for all it’s worth! Every tv/radio commercial, every business, aisle in the stores, every brand from every corner of the market begins and ends their speels with covid19.
This disease is terrifying, at least what I’ve read about it, but so is this Godzilla sized social psych experiment that has been engineered on the entire globe.
Toilet paper ads, window replacement companies, EVEN those horrible tv commercials about the starving children in Africa (!)....nothing escapes mentioning covid19!
The. Entire. Globe.
Everyone races to the front of the line shouting “ look at me look at me mom, see how good I am with all of my infection control and sterilization techniques!!?? What a good boy I am , aren’t I?!!”
Raises the hair on my arms....internal radar goes full tilt with disgusted fear.....every time I hear or read any of these virtuous proclamations about covid19.
TKO
Veteran Member
The mask. It is has become a fashion statement and a way to say, "I'm cool!" It's a way now to disassociate yourself from Trump...since he doesn't wear a mask. I see a lot of do no good masks out there with NFL logos, various messages, skull and crossbones, etc. It's a fashion accessory now.
ShadowMan
Designated Grumpy Old Fart
I don't understand all this resentment about protecting yourself from something we fully DON'T UNDERSTAND, but is very real and VERY DEADLY and VERY CRIPPLING!! It's a BIO-WEAPON that somehow, someway got loose. We're six months into this mess and still don't understand it. Why and how does it kill, murder, maim some and not others? This isn't your run of the mill common cold. "THEY" can't even reasonably tell us how this damn thing spreads. At first it's just killing old and sick people and each week and month that goes by it's moving down the age range. How is it that some people are walking around with it and don't know it. Don't even get the slightest sick and yet randomly others it kills within days/weeks.
You wear a raincoat when it rains. Seat belts when you drive, safety glasses to protect your eyes. Safety tags on every damn electrical device you buy, so why is it soooooo hard to wear a mask to avoid this potentially deadly crap? Seems like common sense to me. You absolutely don't want this crud because there's no way to know how it's going to effect you and DEATH is pretty much fun times bust.
This virus is VERY REAL to the folks that catch it. Some are lucky and only get a mild case, but others it's a death sentence. Why take the chance of being on the wrong side of this virus? If it's all fake as some folks contend, what does it hurt to wear a mask. If it's not fake then wearing a mask might be the only thing that saves you from a very miserable death or long term disability. Seems like a no brainer to me. YMMV
You wear a raincoat when it rains. Seat belts when you drive, safety glasses to protect your eyes. Safety tags on every damn electrical device you buy, so why is it soooooo hard to wear a mask to avoid this potentially deadly crap? Seems like common sense to me. You absolutely don't want this crud because there's no way to know how it's going to effect you and DEATH is pretty much fun times bust.
This virus is VERY REAL to the folks that catch it. Some are lucky and only get a mild case, but others it's a death sentence. Why take the chance of being on the wrong side of this virus? If it's all fake as some folks contend, what does it hurt to wear a mask. If it's not fake then wearing a mask might be the only thing that saves you from a very miserable death or long term disability. Seems like a no brainer to me. YMMV
Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
With all due respect, the facts don't bear out for your paradigm
naturallysweet
Has No Life - Lives on TB
With all do respect, they do. Especially when you stop ignoring the carnage it's leaving behind in many of the so called 'recovered.'
Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
Oh, come on.
Samuel Adams
Has No Life - Lives on TB
“From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual,” Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said at a news briefing from the United Nations agency’s Geneva headquarters. “It’s very rare.”
Michiana MaJo
Deceased
Most stores in MI expect you to wear a mask. I found a store that sells the clear plastic type that covers the entire face past the chin. I highly suggest their use......they make it so easy to breathe, plus another advantage is that your eyes are protected from the virus. Amazon also sells them.
I agree masks might be part of the Plan to control us.
I agree masks might be part of the Plan to control us.
Mikiekimi
I’m just here for the gasoline...
I swear we have so many controlling 'liberal-types' here it's disgusting...can't people just live they way they choose? Who cares why someone does (or does not) wear a mask?
The reality is that most folks are entrenched in their beliefs and I doubt that any amount of chatter on some random discussion board by anonymous posters is going to change anyone's mind.
Can we pretend that we believe in personal liberty? Can we honor that someone else has the FREEDOM to make a choice based on whatever reason they determine is best for them?
The reality is that most folks are entrenched in their beliefs and I doubt that any amount of chatter on some random discussion board by anonymous posters is going to change anyone's mind.
Can we pretend that we believe in personal liberty? Can we honor that someone else has the FREEDOM to make a choice based on whatever reason they determine is best for them?
Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
I was waiting for someone to talk about masks so I could ask how they were protecting their eyes.
I see no one protecting their eyes.
Is this like a shield
ShadowMan
Designated Grumpy Old Fart
ONE HALF MILLION PLUS people in the world DEAD from COVID-19 and the numbers are still rising. This is not a joke and we have no idea of the long term effects of this disease, but it's not looking good for some folks. We have no idea IF we'll be able to come up with a viable vaccine for it. Right now there are over 20 MUTATED strains/variations of this disease. Imagine what we'll have in a year from now. This is not panic....it's facts, and very limited and under counted facts, because we don't know the full story on this bug. The more we test the more asymptomatic or minor infected people we find.....i.e. the more "Typhoid Mary's" we find. So what are the true numbers.....nobody at this point knows, but I'd say double the numbers in front of you and you're probably somewhere in the ballpark.
Right now we're playing with rattlesnakes that you can't see. Most folks don't know that the majority of rattlesnake bites don't inject venom, they are dry bites. The snake just wants to get away from you but every bite has the potential to cause dire reactions. However, even the tinyist drop of venom is dangerous. So we avoid rattlesnakes. We don't play with them....if we're smart, and if bitten we go to the hospital as quickly as possible and get the anti-venom. Because it's the smart thing to do to keep the odds in our favor. That's called good old fashioned common sense.
It has nothing to do with freedom. It has nothing to do with politicians. It has everything to do with survival. So if someone doesn't want to wear a mask or wants to play with rattlesnakes....you're free to do so. Just as I'm free NOT to play with rattlesnakes and free to wear a mask. I guess it's all a crap shoot and we'll see who lives longer. GAME ON!!
in those safety devices have proven track records. They masks actually state in their own labels they have zero efficacy against airborne bacteria and virus among other things.
TKO
Veteran Member
Meanwhile, where I live, no deaths in days and and the last one to go was 92 years old with cancer. BUT...the covid cases keep rising. It's on its way out.
naturallysweet
Has No Life - Lives on TB
That's not the subject. I referenced Carnage that was left behind insurvivors. You went off on an asymptomatic rant . I understand that you were holding tight to the idea of asymptomatic as some holy Grail to protect you from harm. But that's completely illogical. Especially now that they are proving that half of the so-called asymptomatic picked up in antibody tests were really just false positives.
Groucho
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I know I shouldn't, but I can't help myself.....
RT 8:33
"Won't Get Fooled Again"
Every week at least one thread---"Masks/no Masks OH MY"...
Who cares.. Wear them-don't wear them.. Everyone has choices and personal beliefs.. Let people choose for themselves..
But ... but ... but ... there'd be that demon thing called accepting personal responsibility and you know we can't let that eeeevil concept infect this country.
bev
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Link/source, please?
I don't have a link but several former colleagues and friends that do research for major teaching hospitals and universities are coming up with the issue that it is cross contamination that causes the majority of cases. And the worst location for cross contamination is in the home and vehicle. Mask reuse and improper disposal is a significant factor. Touching the masks and/or other surfaces and then touching other items like the steering wheel, handles, door knobs, light switches, computer keyboards, etc. Masks do not help with cross contamination, they only complicate it. Gloves would be better if they would teach people how to put on, use, and dispose of properly.
Masks do not help with airborne bacteria and virus except when using a properly fitted and properly used and properly disposed of single use N95 and higher.
ShadowMan
Designated Grumpy Old Fart
So are we going to blame it on lack of toilet paper? Sorry, not buying it, but we should still wash our hands like we were taught as children. At least my folks did.