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mzkitty

I give up.
NY governor says coronavirus pandemic on Long Island is like a "fire spreading"
State of New York

State of New York

Gov. Andrew Cuomo elaborated on the spread of coronavirus on Long Island today saying it is like a "fire spreading."

Cuomo said the number of cases on Long Island has grown steadily for the past 10 days, and is not moving more north but moving “more east.”

Melissa DeRosa, the secretary to the governor, said there have been 2,624 coronavirus deaths in New York City and 941 outside the city.
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Well, duh. To the north is Long Island Sound. To the east is the Atlantic Ocean.
So once it fills up Long Island, it will die.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Mississippi COVID-19 Case Map

This map and the following table show total cases in Mississippi as of 6 p.m. April 3, 2020, and include all reported cases since March 11, 2020.


  • New cases reported today: 97
  • New deaths reported today: 6

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TorahTips

Membership Revoked
The flood gates are open. They are going to spend 10 trillion or more before this is over with...
I heard 11 trillion. That's on top of 23 trillion that we already have. Can we even service that debt with other mandatory payouts? I fear we are close to insolvency.

ETA:
What about MBS (mortgage-backed securities). People can't pay their mortgages. Renters cant pay their high rise apartment complex (which is also mortgaged). When these blow up, banks fail.
 
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Troke

On TB every waking moment
I heard 11 trillion. That's on top of 23 trillion that we already have. Can we even service that debt with other mandatory payouts? I fear we are close to insolvency.
Three trillion +two trillion + six trillion have been mentioned. And I vaguely remember Trump stating that he likes debt. He sure has his chance now.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Oregon is showing a level of incompetence even by Marxist moron standards. First, Oregon has done a total of, wait for it, 17,000 tests out of a general population of FOUR MILLION!! Further, Oregon is making in very difficult to find the data and most of the stats are up to 48 hours old. Oregon public broadcasting, oregon live updated thursday morning. Brown just sent 140 respirators to her buddy cuomo in New York, e
ven though her people in their brand new command center in portland tell her, if they can find her, the peak won't come till may. Oregon is definitely in a don't test don't tell mode. I have no idea how many people are going to die in Oregon over the next month or so, but I can tell you Oregon is led by fools.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
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Hospitals STILL preventing their doctors and nurses from wearing masks, even if they bring their own:


Doctors Say Hospitals Are Stopping Them From Wearing Masks

April 2, 2020
Leila Fadel at NPR headquarters in Washington, D.C., September 27, 2018. (photo by Allison Shelley)
LEILA FADEL


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Some doctors say they are being told they can't use their own personal protective equipment, such as gloves and masks.

Neilly Buckalew is a traveling doctor who fills in at hospitals when there's need. So in the midst of this pandemic, she feels particularly vulnerable to contracting the coronavirus — not just in hospitals but in hotels and on her travels.

When she got an assignment last week at Saint Alphonsus Regional Rehabilitation Hospital in Boise, Idaho, she packed her own personal protective equipment and drove to town. She disinfected her hotel room and stayed away from other guests, but worried about the coughing person in the room next door. So she donned her own fitted N95 mask that she uses for work.

"I wanted to protect myself," she said. "I wanted to protect my patients."

Can The U.S. Crowdsource Its Way Out Of A Mask Shortage? No, But It Still Helps

Can The U.S. Crowdsource Its Way Out Of A Mask Shortage? No, But It Still Helps

That first day at work, Buckalew said, she was told to take off her mask.

When she asked hospital administrators why, the reasons kept changing. First, Buckalew said she was told it was against hospital policy for health care workers to bring their own gear. Then, she said, administrators told her if she wore her own N95 mask, others would want to wear the masks as well and the hospital didn't have enough. Finally, Buckalew said, it was that CDC guidelines don't require the mask at all times.

"I said if I can't wear it, then we have a problem," she said.
Refusing to take off her mask, she said, got her terminated. Then, she said, after complaining she was reinstated and then terminated again — all within three days.

"I'm raising a huge big stink because it's wrong. It's unsafe. We'll never flatten the curve if hospital systems keep acting this way," she said, adding that she's speaking now because she's already lost her assignment and wanted to speak on behalf of those who can't. "A lot of people can't speak out because they're afraid, or they know that they'll be fired."

The rehabilitation hospital is a joint venture by the Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center and Encompass Health. A spokesman at the medical center referred NPR to Encompass Health. Repeated calls to Encompass Health for comment were not returned. Buckalew said she filed a formal complaint with the Occupational Safety and Health Administration.

Buckalew's account lays bare tensions between some hospital systems and health care workers on the front lines of this disease. Many doctors, nurses and other hospital workers say they don't feel protected and are afraid in the midst of a shortage of masks and other protective gear. Some are bringing their own supplies, donated by friends and family or purchased at hardware stores. Meanwhile, some hospitals are instituting strict policies that bar medical workers from bringing their own personal protective equipment, or PPE, to work, or limiting how much protection a person can wear because of a shortage in supplies.

Leaders at the American Academy of Emergency Medicine says they have heard accounts like Buckalew's from health care workers across the country.

"We're hearing a lot of people saying that 'I'm not getting adequate PPE at my job, so I was able to buy PPE and I'm using what I buy,'" said Dr. Lisa Moreno, the president-elect of AAEM.
But when they wear it to work, she says, doctors have told her, "'I'm being yelled at. I'm being told to take it off. I'm being told that I'm scaring patients and that I'm scaring other people.' We've had people who had their jobs threatened."

Moreno said about two dozen people have formally complained to her organization. She said they've also received hundreds of calls from health care workers who are afraid to lose their jobs if they complain, but also feel that hospitals aren't letting them do what they need to do to protect themselves against an infectious and new virus. A virus that causes a disease that has killed dozens of health care workers in Italy and already taken the lives of at least two health care workers at the epicenter of the spread in the New York City metro area.

"It seems that the hospital administrations are reacting to the fact that they are failing to provide adequate PPE for their staff," Moreno said. "And when one individual provides adequate PPE, it seems to highlight that fact to the other staff who haven't been able to purchase it."

These types of masks are very hard to come by. A quick search at Home Depot shows pretty much every type of protective mask is out of stock. And everyone from federal and local officials to hospital administrators are struggling to get their hands on as much personal protective equipment as they can in the midst of this pandemic.

So Moreno says it's vital that health care workers are allowed to do what they feel they need to, to feel safe. Because if they get infected, not only could they get very ill or give it to patients, but there would be fewer skilled health care workers to treat sick patients.

She said she's also received complaints that hospital administrators are telling health care workers how much personal protective gear they can wear at work and when. Some doctors and nurses who want to wear their N95 masks at all times are being told no, she said, adding that one doctor told her that he needs to be extra-careful because his son has cancer.
Then there are cases like Henry Nikicicz in El Paso, Texas. He's an anesthesiologist, so he does intubations on patients. He's 60, has asthma and is particularly vulnerable to upper respiratory infections.

Two weeks ago, he was intubating a patient for respiratory distress on his overnight shift at the University Medical Center of El Paso. He walked into the hallway and saw people gathered in a group, so he slipped on his hospital-issued N95 mask.

Should We All Be Wearing Masks In Public? Health Experts Revisit The Question

Should We All Be Wearing Masks In Public? Health Experts Revisit The Question

The next day, a hospital supervisor told him he wasn't allowed to wear the N95 mask when he wasn't in the operating room or treating a patient with an infectious disease, because they are costly and in short supply. Nikicicz was also told he was scaring the patients. The supervisor texted him that he could get a "regular mask" if he felt he needed one.

When Nikicicz responded that he is susceptible to upper respiratory infections, the supervisor's texts appeared to get more aggressive. He referred to the coronavirus as the "Wuhan virus," a term that many say is not only inaccurate, but also stokes xenophobia. He texted in all capital letters that Nikicicz was the only one in the entire hospital wearing an N95 mask and that he would not be able to get one when the "real virus" comes in. Nikicicz texted back: "The real virus is here already."

Nikicicz is an independent contractor who works with the placement company Somnia Anesthesia. He said he got a call from the company asking for his side of the story. He was told hospital administrators had complained. After that, Nikicicz said he was told not to go into work on Monday.

"I protect myself and protect the environment in case I am infected. In a situation like this, when we have social distancing, wearing a mask is one of the basic ways of stopping the spread of the virus," Nikicicz said. "And I really feel that injustice was done to me because of the fact that the right thing to do is to wear a mask. To punish me for wearing a mask is something that I really feel is wrong."
The University Medical Center of El Paso said in a statement that Nikicicz was removed from the schedule by Somnia Anesthesia for "insubordination."

"The anesthesiologist was told on numerous occasions by his supervisor to not wear the N95 surgical mask while not in the Operating Room area or while not treating patients with infectious disease," the statement said. "UMC is not unlike other hospitals in its efforts to conserve N95 surgical masks, especially when it comes to wearing them when not in the surgical/OR area. At the time of these incidents, the CDC did not require masks (and certainly not N95 masks) to be used by hospital staff when not treating patients or while in surgical/OR areas. Beyond this, we view this as a personnel matter between Somnia Anesthesia and its contracted anesthesiologist. "

Hours after NPR reached out to the hospital, Nikicicz was put back on the schedule.
Marc Koch, president and CEO of Somnia Anesthesia, said that Nikicicz was not removed for insubordination. Koch said he was briefly taken off rotation because elective surgeries are canceled and hundreds of contract workers are being laid off.

"To be frank, I was trying to reach out to him to try to get him to come back. At no point was he terminated," Koch said. "He didn't listen to his chief, yes he was not listening. But what we were trying to do was see our way through that and help him and reconcile that issue."

Koch said protecting doctors has been his number one goal, even securing N95 masks to supply to hospitals that couldn't find any.
"The clinicians want to be safe. They want to meet or exceed the CDC guidelines," Koch said. "And the hospitals fear a run on supplies and [causing] patient anxiety.""
I just realized what all this is probably about - and I feel like an idiot that it took me this long!

Decades ago I worked a desk for nearly five years at the Colorado State Worker's Compensation oversight board (Data Entry, phones, emergency translator - not really qualified for the last one) and I saw nearly everything you can imagine.

These private, for-profit hospitals these days (like most big corporations) tend to be "self-insured" meaning that they are "on-the-hook" for payouts like illness cover and even death and survivor benefits (sometimes for life) if they lose a worker's compensation case.

As long as they can claim that "it wasn't an official policy that masks needed to be worn for safety reasons" quoting the CDC or whomever, then they hope to be "off the hook" when someone like the older doctor drops dead a few days after an infected surgical patient breath on him.

Letting staff "bring in their own gear" calls into question the safety of the "you workers don't need no sinking masks for the Wuhan Virus" gets other employees asking why they don't have any and get right into their faces the fact that there isn't enough (or sometimes) and to distribute.

Again the "double-speak" they can use is also (and I predict this will be next) "we can't let you bring in your own equipment because we can't prove it is safe, sorry we don't have any that is approved safe to give you and you don't need it anyway!"

If I get the chance I may even run this by a close friend who is a RETIRED hospital administrator if he thinks this is likely at least part of what is going on?

I also have suspected he retired just a few years ago because he saw what was happening to the industry and just didn't want to play the games anymore, especially games with the lives of staff as well as patients.

If this IS what is going on, these corporations/hospitals are likely to be bankrupted by the claims they get once the whole mess comes to light (and it will) - they will dodge a lot of claims because proving they got sick at work is hard to do, hard but not impossible.

And, a lot of States use arbitration boards before allowing cases to go to court, which should also be interesting depending on how the pandemic progresses.
 

Squid

Veteran Member
Oregon is showing a level of incompetence even by Marxist moron standards. First, Oregon has done a total of, wait for it, 17,000 tests out of a general population of FOUR MILLION!! Further, Oregon is making in very difficult to find the data and most of the stats are up to 48 hours old. Oregon public broadcasting, oregon live updated thursday morning. Brown just sent 140 respirators to her buddy cuomo in New York, e
ven though her people in their brand new command center in portland tell her, if they can find her, the peak won't come till may. Oregon is definitely in a don't test don't tell mode. I have no idea how many people are going to die in Oregon over the next month or so, but I can tell you Oregon is led by fools.
If you set a ceiling for the incompetence or ruthlessness of Marxists, could be you don’t know Marxists very well.
 
Bad news.

Confirmed - The Italian strain has seeded in Northern California and is moving into Washington state. Dr. Niman suggests the Italian strain is overtaking the strain which originally seeded the West Coast.

More so, sequences from Minnesota and other areas West of the Mississippi indicate the presence of the Italian strain.

Some tests in New York have sequenced to reveal some people have been infected by both strains.

This suggests the milder form of the virus will soon be overtaken by it's competitive sibling.

This will result in more infections resulting in severe cases.

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Here are the latest figures from France:

The coronavirus death toll in France has reached 7,560 since 1 March, the health ministry has said. This figure includes hospitals and nursing homes.

Of these 5,532 occurred in hospital, up from 5,091 on Friday.

The number of confirmed cases of coronavirus in hospitals has reached 68,605. This has increased by more than 4,000 from 64,338 on Friday.

The number of people in intensive care units in France has risen to 6,838, up from 6,662 the previous day.

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2,028‬ deaths outside of hospitals, nursing homes, etc..
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An inside look at a NYC hospital where 7 coronavirus patients died in 36 hours
From CNN's Sonia Moghe

An administrator at Morningside Hospital, which is part of New York City's Mount Sinai system, shared a snapshot with CNN of what Friday looked like for the hospital.

There were 261 Covid-19 patients, 64 in critical care, 172 in non-critical care and 25 in the emergency department.
Seven people died of Covid-19 in 36 hours, through early Saturday morning, the administrator told CNN. Thirty Covid-19 positive patients were admitted to the hospital throughout the day.

In total, 81 percent of the hospital’s population is Covid-19 positive.

This one hospital alone has seen 53 people die of Covid-19 to date.

By the end of the day Friday, 88 of its critical care beds were in use with only five left. The administrator said 64 of its ICU ventilators were in use, with 42 ICU level ventilators still left.
“Right now ventilators are not the issue. We got a huge influx,” the administrator said, of his hospital. “For us, the issue is ICU beds and staff. We have staff that are getting sick.”
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joannita

Veteran Member
Now for a little good news; from my dr. friend who is married to a part time ER dr.; "DH and I feel soooo much better about him now working at (Hospital) as the ER there is run so much more professionally than (previous place of work) The head of the ER he is going to be working in bought all the doctors and nurses N100 masks, and one of the doctors bought a UV drawer; they stick their goggles in it often to decontaminate them. But of course they, like everywhere else, in the hospital, they are wearing N95s outside the COVID rooms with frequent changes of the surgical masks which they wear over the N95s, and are recycling the N95s in a brown bag; they are taken away and heated up to decontaminate them.
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
Bad news.

Confirmed - The Italian strain has seeded in Northern California and is moving into Washington state. Dr. Niman suggests the Italian strain is overtaking the strain which originally seeded the West Coast.

More so, sequences from Minnesota and other areas West of the Mississippi indicate the presence of the Italian strain.

Some tests in New York have sequenced to reveal some people have been infected by both strains.

This suggests the milder form of the virus will soon be overtaken by it's competitive sibling.

This will result in more infections resulting in severe cases.

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I'm not sold on there being different "strains". There are different clades that have minor or insignificant antigenic shifts. Over time these may develop into different "strains" that people who were previously infected won't have immunity to.

I tend to think that the worse effects are seen because of the different health systems, population differences, etc.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Bad news.

Confirmed - The Italian strain has seeded in Northern California and is moving into Washington state. Dr. Niman suggests the Italian strain is overtaking the strain which originally seeded the West Coast.

More so, sequences from Minnesota and other areas West of the Mississippi indicate the presence of the Italian strain.

Some tests in New York have sequenced to reveal some people have been infected by both strains.

This suggests the milder form of the virus will soon be overtaken by it's competitive sibling.

This will result in more infections resulting in severe cases.erning up

===This is what the Oregon Marxists are covering up then.Squid, Marxists can be some of the most pragmatic people around. Stalin used the church mobilize the peasants in world war two. Brown may very well bring down the marxist elitebin oregon since the people who will driven mass here will be her true believers. Sending vents to New York will cost her big time a month down the road.
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I'm not sold on there being different "strains". There are different clades that have minor or insignificant antigenic shifts. Over time these may develop into different "strains" that people who were previously infected won't have immunity to.

I tend to think that the worse effects are seen because of the different health systems, population differences, etc.

Clade is the proper term. Not certain if insignificant is more of a scientific notation, or not. However, the clade with the Italian markers, appear more efficient of the two in reported locales.

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Ping Jockey

Inactive
Folks,

I’ve been on here long enough, and lurked many years before becoming fortunate enough to become a member, to know deep down that the majority of you, I’d say 99.9%, are good and kind gentle people.

I read postings from folks requesting prayers and there’s an avalanche of deeply sincere giving without hesitation. People request help in whatever form, directions to this or that place, suggestions on how to do this or that and everyone who is nearby on this site will dog-pile with help, ideas, or whatever is needed to fulfill the need.

What you have here is unique. It only works because everyone here contributes something, no matter how small or insignificant it may seem. It’s what is going to be needed in the meat world when this viral tsunami crests and retreats back to the hell from which it came.

Unlike a tornado which leaves a wake of destruction in its path in mere moments this Chinese virus may take weeks or months to finally subside enough for folks to come out and start rebuilding their lives.

What’s going to be necessary for all of us to make it work and be successful is exactly what goes on here daily. Thanks...
 
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There are 1,263 coronavirus patients in New Jersey on ventilators
From CNN's Kristina Sgueglia

New Jersey Department of Health Commissioner Judith M. Persichilli said today that of the 4,000 confirmed coronavirus patients in hospitals across the state, 1,494 are in critical care as of Friday evening.

Persichilli added that of these 1,494 patients, 1,263 of them are on ventilators, she said today during a new conference.

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paul bunyan

Frostbite Falls, Minnesota
I'm not sold on there being different "strains". There are different clades that have minor or insignificant antigenic shifts. Over time these may develop into different "strains" that people who were previously infected won't have immunity to.

I tend to think that the worse effects are seen because of the different health systems, population differences, etc.
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FYI: Clade definition for those of us who missed out on genetics, including me:
What makes a clade?
A clade is a grouping that includes a common ancestor and all the descendants (living and extinct) of that ancestor. Using a phylogeny, it is easy to tell if a group of lineages forms a clade. Imagine clipping a single branch off the phylogeny — all of the organisms on that pruned branch make up a clade.
 

hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB
What about MBS (mortgage-backed securities). People can't pay their mortgages. Renters cant pay their high rise apartment complex (which is also mortgaged). When these blow up, banks fail.
The Federal Reserve has been "buying" mortgage-backed securities from the banks for several months (hundreds of billions of dollars worth). Gee I wonder if they knew something ahead of time?
 

Zagdid

Veteran Member
I'm not sold on there being different "strains". There are different clades that have minor or insignificant antigenic shifts. Over time these may develop into different "strains" that people who were previously infected won't have immunity to.

I tend to think that the worse effects are seen because of the different health systems, population differences, etc.
If all the infected people in France could move to Germany their survival chances would go up ten fold. The data hurts the head. The data might be hinky and the virus might be engineered.
 
Louisiana passes 12,000 confirmed coronavirus cases
From CNN’s Ashley Killough and Ed Lavandera in New Orleans

A temporary hospital set up in the Ernest N. Morial Convention Center as overflow for local hospitals in New Orleans is seen on April 4.

A temporary hospital set up in the Ernest N. Morial Convention Center as overflow for local hospitals in New Orleans is seen on April 4.
Gerald Herbert/AP


There are at least 12,496 total cases of coronavirus reported in the state of Louisiana, according to the Louisiana Department of Health.

At least 1,726 people in Louisiana are hospitalized; of those, 571 are on ventilators, according to new state health figures released on Saturday.

That’s a slight increase from Friday when the state reported 1,707 patients were hospitalized and 535 of those were on ventilators.

The state has reported 39 new deaths, for a total of 409 in the state.

There are 12,496 reported cases in the state. That is up from 10,297 cases on Friday.

That’s a 21% increase in cases reported from Friday.

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TorahTips

Membership Revoked
The Federal Reserve has been "buying" mortgage-backed securities from the banks for several months (hundreds of billions of dollars worth). Gee I wonder if they knew something ahead of time?
So what happens when they blow up? I really don't know.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
The flood gates are open. They are going to spend 10 trillion or more before this is over with...

Start thinking QUADRILLION … (a thousand trillion)
 

Mixin

Veteran Member
Indiana
This one has a lot of county numbers but I omitted them since we have the state map. I wonder if the "alternative housing arrangements" is moving them into the hotel at the airport along with the homeless. I really don't like the secrecy Dr. Box works under. Why be evasive about strike teams that they have created?

Indiana COVID-19 deaths surpass 100; prisons, 29 nursing homes affected
April 3, 2020 | IL Staff and Indianapolis Business Journal Staff
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Officials said Thursday that nursing homes and prisons have been particularly hard hit. Both types of locations are considered serious in a pandemic because the virus can spread quickly in confined spaces. In addition, elderly people in nursing homes or prisons with underlying medical conditions are considered especially vulnerable if they are infected.
State Health Commissioner Dr. Kristina Box said 76 people have tested positive in 29 nursing homes in recent days. The number includes both residents and workers, she said. She did not identify the nursing homes.

On Wednesday, a Franklin retirement community, Otterbein Franklin SeniorLife, announced that an 87-year-old resident died of COVID-19 after being taken to the hospital last week. The deceased was only identified as a woman who had lived at Otterbein Franklin SeniorLife Community who was taken to the hospital last week with issues from a pre-existing condition. The senior community initially was hit with an outbreak of COVID-19 on March 29, when eight residents tested positive, along with a nurse and therapist. On Sunday, the community said seven more residents tested positive, bringing the total to 15 in less than a week.

The Indiana State Department of Health has created regional strike teams that travel to nursing homes to help with COVID-19 responses. Box did not offer details on what the health department strike teams have been doing. But she said they had also visited state prisons to care for “infected individuals.” She did not say how many prisoners or corrections workers have been diagnosed.

“We’re working closely also with our long-term care partners with the Department of Correction to take appropriate steps to care for infected individuals and limit the spread of COVID-19 within those institutions,” she said. “They include cohorting positive individuals in one location or making alternative housing arrangements when necessary.Box did not say which prisons had been infected, or how many inmates or corrections workers had tested positive.

Just last Friday, Rob Carter, superintendent of the Indiana Department of Correction, said no prisoners had tested positive, but he did not say how many prisoners, if any, had been tested. Box said Thursday that health department workers were busy trying to manage the situation.

“Our strike teams continue to visit long-term care facilities and correctional facilities across the state,” she said.
The Indiana Department of Health is providing daily COVID-19 updates online.

 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
The fools in Washington should be panicking if they truly understood the tidal wave of disease headed their way. My personal opinion is the infected people had from December 1st of 2019 to January 20th or so to go anywhere they wanted to, infect anybody they came in contact with and nobody had a clue they were doing this. Further, the superspreaders, up to 14 each, did their thing, and it was only in the last two or three days that any attempt was made to deal with any of it. And the powers that be tell me, and you and us all that after MILLIONS OF PEOPLE have been in that city, through that city, and then gone all over the world, things are okay?

I SAY THE TOTALS IN CHINA ARE 5000 PLUS DEAD AND 100,000 INFECTED TODAY, WITH 50,000 DEAD AND 500,000 INFECTED BY MARCH FIRST IF NOT SOONER.

It will be in every nation of the world by then, since it has had nearly two months to spread out via transport systems. Add in both the Hindu and Chinese Festival and bingo. Portland had a Chinese festival today, with tv showing hundreds/thousands of people in China Town. Yep we are doomed.
Damn, and to think I wrote this on January 20th, 2020!!!
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Meh. The economy is toast. Lets ride it into the dirt, ditch the fed, and get back to a real economy.
Now, now, roundaben, the media is pushing the we are all on this together mantra
What I find personally REPULSIVE is all the hollyweitd actors, you know the ones that despised all of us last year are now all warm and fuzzy. Disgusting HYPOCRITES!!!!!:vik:
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
[Because only the wealthy should have guns and ammo]
Congress Proposes 50% Tax On Guns & Ammo In The US

Fri, 04/03/2020 - 18:00

Authored by Simon Black via SovereignMan.com,

Congress proposes 50% tax on guns and ammunition in the US
Congress is considering a bill to require citizens to apply for a federal license before being able to purchase a firearm.

And the government would have the authority to deny a license, even if the applicant has no criminal history or mental health issues.



That makes this essentially a nationwide “red flag law.” The government can deny or revoke a license if they arbitrarily deem you to be a problem.

The proposed law would also tax firearms at 30% and ammunition at 50%.
Meanwhile, March saw record firearm sales.

The FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System processed 3.7 million background checks required to buy firearms. That is the highest month on record since the system began in 1998.


Click here to read the bill.


Of Course they are!

SSDD.
 
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