CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

Bubble Head

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The map MzK posted (#37,402) show cases and strings of cases along major highways.

Note the cases tend to follow I-80 with a break to I-70 to Denver and follow I-70 (Corona Alley) through the ski areas West. This is the traveled path of spread. Unfortunately it is the main route food delivery East to West. Very bad only. Don’t travel that route.
 
More than half of New Orleans' emergency medical workers are under quarantine, mayor says

More half of New Orleans' medical emergency services personnel is under quarantine due to the coronavirus pandemic, the city’s mayor told CNN’s Erin Burnett on Tuesday.

With New Orleans hospitalizations expected to exceed their capacity in 11 days, according to the Louisiana Gov. John Bell Edwards, New Orleans Mayor LaToya Cantrell said she is looking for the federal government’s major disaster declaration to get a long-awaited relief.

“We're looking for that declaration to be approved so that it can unlock the much needed resources that our first responders need on the ground. For example, my EMS department, over 50% of my people are now on quarantine. And so while we've unlocked additional resources at the state level, the state can no longer go on without federal assistance at this time,” Cantrell said.

There have been at least 375 cases of coronavirus and 26 deaths in New Orleans so far, the mayor said.


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raven

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How many times has the flu overwhelmed our hospitals to the point where we send patients home with a note that says "Go die you old SOB." Italy is discharging/refusing to treat anyone 60 or older. So is that happening here -- wait -- has it EVER happened here?

We're not talking about numbers. We're talking about volume to the hospital. I don't care if the numbers are way under the flu. Trump also uses the car accident bowl sheet. He says, "people die in car accidents. Maybe we should outlaw cars."

That shows his lack of intelligence. How many times has car accidents ever overflowed ERs? How many times has the flu resulted in the hallways being lined up with people laying on blankets because there are no beds.

IT'S ABOUT OVERLOAD. SOME HOSPITALS ARE ALREADY GETTING READY TO OVERLOAD AND THIS IS NOT EVEN STARTED. Remember: Overload not numbers.

Over the whole course of this virus there have been 398000 infections. 277,319 of them are still listed as neither dead or recovered. That means with months of this going on a full 70% are still sick? People are not getting better.

THIS IS NOT THE FLU.
in a quarantine, hospitals do not get overloaded because the sick are in quarantine and do not get services.
this thing they are doing does not have a name. "self isolation", "stay at home", "shelter in place" no one knows exactly what to call it. And that is because it is not scientific. If it was, it would have a Greek or Latin or French description.
It is a political ploy whose intent is to save the economic component called "healthcare system". It is not intended to save lives.

I'm sorry if you do not like it. But not liking it does not change it. It is as yet an unproven theory. But you can take solace in know you government is doing something.
Chris Martenson on today's video talking about Kaiser telling nurses that they only have to wear surgical type masks around expected and confirmed virus patients unless doing a procedure like intubation. They told nurses that is they wore their own N95 masks, they would be fired.

This is a screen shot of the difference that a full population wearing face masks of both kinds makes on transmission of the virus. Instructive.
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it is beginning to sound like they want the healthcare providers to be infected
it makes no sense
 

desertvet2

Veteran Member
Ah ...we send you one million masks to California, to help you, oops our bad, those were Infected with hantavirus....so sorry.

**** china and all of their cheap ass shit.

Because communism, so.... BFYTW

The preceding vulgarity was directed at them..not you.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Note the cases tend to follow I-80 with a break to I-70 to Denver and follow I-70 (Corona Alley) through the ski areas West. This is the traveled path of spread. Unfortunately it is the main route food delivery East to West. Very bad only. Don’t travel that route.
the most interesting thing about the map? it was mostly empty 30 days ago
 
The New York Times editorial board says “It’s time for a national lockdown” in the US.

In an op-ed titled “Coronavirus Is Advancing. All Americans Need to Shelter in Place,”

The board – made up of opinion journalists – write:

We are not suggesting that Mr. Trump has the authority to order a national lockdown, much less advocating that he attempt to enforce one. Instead, we are urging him to use the bully pulpit to put pressure on, and provide political cover for, governors to take the hard steps that are needed.​

As the president’s own health advisers warn, the worst of the coronavirus pandemic is yet to come. The nation’s slow and spotty response has allowed the virus to spread to every state. Modelingby researchers at the Imperial College London indicates that upward of two million lives could be lost to the pandemic unless America somehow manages to “flatten the curve.”​


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Crazy like a fox, this POTUS is. "I'm going to lift these restrictions to save the economy". "I see Unicorns and Skittles on the horizon."

"Don't you dare - you deranged, delusional, heartless capitalist!"

POTUS, "OK."

;-)

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pinkelsteinsmom

Veteran Member
Sounds as if he's pocketing some information on the vaccine candidates developed. Because his mention of chloroquinine and azithromyocin (Z packs) are resulting in nationwide shortages of both drugs.

People are for real spooked in many locations of the country. For some it's an inconvenience to be managed; some are doing the head on fire thing. I had a client hand me their keys (inside a ziplock baggie) this morning wearing a bio bunny suit, face mask, hair net and booties. She was at her HOME. WTF??????
Hey, I wore the same ensemble to Costco and grocery store. The macho guys gave me thumbs up the asians had stars in their eyes and followed through the store.
 
Thousands to Attend Terrorist Funeral in Coronavirus-Ravaged Iran

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Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) hosted a funeral attracting thousands for Hossein Assadollahi, a senior terrorist leader and veteran of the Iran-Iraq war, on Monday.

Photos and video of the ceremony – which attracted notably minimal attention in Iranian state media outlets like PressTV, the Fars News Agency, and others – show mourners tightly packed in public spaces, a prime location to infect a large number of people with a contagious disease.

As the world faces a pandemic caused by the Chinese coronavirus originating in central Wuhan, public health experts have universally agreed that “social distancing” – avoiding contact with individuals as much as possible and abstaining from organizing into large groups – is necessary to slow the rate of infection of the coronavirus so as to not overwhelm the world’s healthcare systems.

Iran’s healthcare system has, by all measures, been overwhelmed for months. While Iran claims only 24,811 confirmed cases of coronavirus in the country and nearly 2,000 deaths, reports citing whistleblowers and dissidents in the country have published evidence suggesting the death toll is much higher. The National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), the largest Iranian dissident group, announced on Tuesday that it had documented over 10,500 deaths at the hands of the virus in Iran, citing sources within the country.

The NCRI also noted an increase in the number of arrests of people for “spreading rumors” about the true extent of the outbreak.

The Iranian regime has largely responded to the outbreak by empowering the IRGC, a U.S.-designated terrorist group and not a medical organization, to lead the nation’s coronavirus response. Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has claimed the Chinese virus is a biological weapon, implying the United States deliberately spread it in Iran. This weekend, Khamenei rejected a U.S. offer of humanitarian aid, partially on the grounds that he claimed America could use the aid to spread more “poison” in the country.

Assadollahi reportedly died last Friday; the Iranian regime announced his death was a result of “a long battle with health complaints caused by chemical weapons during the Iran-Iraq war of 1980s,” according to the Kurdish outlet Rudaw. Rudaw notes that, while the death notice did not mention the spread of the Chinese coronavirus, exposure to chemical weapons debilitates the lungs and those with preexisting health conditions are far more vulnerable to serious illness and death if infected.

The funeral flooded the streets of Vardavard, near Tehran, and featured a procession largely composed of IRGC terrorists and civilians likely forced out of their homes to participate. It appeared in photos similar in tone to the recent funeral of IRGC Quds Force commander Major General Qasem Soleimani, eliminated from the battlefield by a U.S. airstrike in January. Iranian officials noted that Soleimani and Assadollahi were comrades in arms.

The procession, bringing together thousands of people at a time in which health experts are urging all to stay home, prompted a resigned comment on Twitter from Kianush Jahanpur, a spokesman for the nation’s Health Ministry.
“The pictures speak for themselves. We can only cry,” he wrote. “Perhaps this is a new medical protocol for funerals and new restrictions for mass gatherings.”

Unlike the rest of the government, Jahanpur has painted a dire picture of the outbreak, stating last week that one person was dying of coronavirus every ten minutes in Iran.

Radio Farda, the Persian outlet affiliated with Radio Liberty (RFE/RL), noted that several Iranian media outlets faintly expressed disapproval of the funeral, but not in any way that would compromise their ability to continue publishing, as the authoritarian Islamic regime censors all disapproval.

The IRGC appeared to reply to the general sense of concern among Iranians – and the Iranian Health Ministry publicly lamenting the display – by denying that they had anything to do with it.

“The IRGC had no plan to hold a funeral for commander Assadollahi … the presence of a small number of people, his comrades and his supporters … was spontaneous,” spokesman Ramazan Sharif reportedly claimed.

The IRGC are largely tasked with combatting the coronavirus outbreak in the country. Khamenei ordered them to stage “biological defense exercises” this week to fight the virus. The IRGC also claims to be developing a vaccine against it, despite being an organization made up of jihadists that has not previously contributed to the advancement of medical science.

The U.S. State Department accused the Iranian regime on Monday of being irresponsible with handling the virus and allowing it to spread in the Middle East, a volatile region with weak healthcare systems, millions of displaced people, and constantly battling rival violent groups.

“The Wuhan virus is a killer and the Iranian regime is an accomplice,” Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told reporters while in Afghanistan. According to Pompeo, five nations around the world now have coronavirus cases as a direct result of Iranian travelers crossing their borders.
 
FEMA obtains test kits from private market
From CNN's Priscilla Alvarez


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Hours after Federal Emergency Management Agency Administrator Pete Gaynor told CNN the administration will start wielding the powers in the Defense Production Act for 60,000 tests kits and "use the allocation portion of the DPA,” FEMA press secretary Lizzie Litzow said the agency was able to procure the kits from the private market.
"At the last minute we were able to procure the test kits from the private market without evoking the DPA,” Litzow said in a statement Monday evening.
Earlier Tuesday, Trump and Gaynor contradicted each other on whether the Defense Production Act was being used in the fight against the coronavirus pandemic.

Around 8 a.m. Tuesday, Trump tweeted, "The Defense Production Act is in full force, but haven't had to use it because no one has said NO! Millions of masks coming as back up to States."

Minutes later, Gaynor told CNN the administration was going to use the law.

"Just a little while ago my team came in and we're actually going to use the DPA for first time today," Gaynor said. In addition, FEMA will "insert some language into these mask contracts we have of 500 million masks," Gaynor said. "DPA language will be in that today."

Trump suggested at Tuesday’s afternoon briefing that his recent authorization of the DPA serves as enough “leverage” to compel companies to produce medical supplies without invoking the act to force them to start up production.


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Please Lord, let them not be sourced from China.

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Thousands to Attend Terrorist Funeral in Coronavirus-Ravaged Iran

Photos and video of the ceremony – which attracted notably minimal attention in Iranian state media outlets like PressTV, the Fars News Agency, and others – show mourners tightly packed in public spaces, a prime location to infect a large number of people with a contagious disease.

Sweet! Thousands of Terrorist Muslim Martyrs commit slow, agonizing suicide!

Finally ~ some good news.

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marsh

On TB every waking moment
Creative solutions to acquire more ventilator capacity

Meanwhile, hospitals are looking at creative solutions. Dr. Alain Gauthier, an anesthetist at the Perth and Smiths Falls District Hospital, has rigged up ventilators to be able to ventilate two patients at once instead of one.


He did that by following YouTube videos created by two Detroit doctors in 2006.


"At one point we may not have other options," Dr. Gauthier told CBC News. "The option could be well, we let people die or we give that a chance."


Here's another one:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uClq978oohY
I have personally posted the link to the video, (I believe it was TP shared,) in the comment section of several video sites hoping people would view it.
 

CapeCMom

Veteran Member
Kroger is installing plexiglass shields at cash registers and urging the federal government to secure masks and gloves for grocery workers
View: https://twitter.com/businessinsider/status/1242563018526986245
They had these at Stop and Shop this morning when I went....might be one of the last times I go. We are being over run. Local EMS uses “code 19” for Coronavirus patients now. Scanner had 40 calls yesterday going to Cape Cod Hospital in Hyannis.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Cuomo looks Presidential in his tv appearances. Trump does not. Unless Trump can pull off a miracle between now and the election, he will lose unless the Dems persist in running their idiots. Trump is building his own meme of fiddling to Wall Street while the country withers. Dead men do not push up the economy.

Oooh... I don't know about that. To me, Cuomo looks on the verge of a breakdown. Understandable but still, not exactly the picture of a rock
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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I've done scientific double blind studies on my own psychological testing tools that have included over 3000 people. I'm in my area of expertise. People pay me to do statistical anaysis of their data. sorry. You lose that argument. Click on my sig link.
So, how does that validate screaming that without a *minimum* of 100,000 participants"... and, apparently, a repetition study as well!, is the only way a drug can be used? Because that's silly.

There is no question there is a large difference between anecdotes and hard data. But these are not new (in any way!) drugs, their risks in most cases are well known (as widely used both are, under very different circumstances, there is no way a propensity to suddenly worsen pneumonia wouldn't have been noticed at some point.

But doctors are scientists, as well as clinicians (some more than others!) And they've always had the legal right to prescribe any *legal* drug for any condition, regardless of whether it had ever been tested on that condition. It's called "extra-label use", and it's not all that rare.

The extra good thing is, in this country, with modern hospitals and pretty much 24/7 vital s8gn monitoring in the ICU, we have what amounts to an "impartial judge" that compensates for the doctor knowing what's been administered. And the patient, in the severe cases they've tried this in, aren't in any condition to know or care what they're being given.

Now, if you're arguing that no one (President on down) shoukd be making plans or using up supplies based on a "miracle" drug, especially one which is in *extremely* short supply... I agree.

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summerthyme

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yea, right. I did that a few years ago when I drove to Wichita to meet the lady I fell in love with.
I got out of the car and looked at her and thought "She is taller than I thought" (I am 5'11 and she is 5')
She looked at me and thought "I didn't know he was a hunchback"
And a few minutes later she thought "At least he is a great kisser"
Took an hours worth of stretching to straighten up my back.
Well, I'd suggest 5 minute stretch stops IF and WHERE safe. And writhing a few days, those might be scarcer than we can imagine.

Summerthyme
 

MinnesotaSmith

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New Orleans is an epicenter of coronavirus. Mardi Gras could be to blame, doctors say.
As of Tuesday afternoon, New Orleans had 567 of Louisiana's 1,388 cases of coronavirus and 20 of the state's 46 deaths.

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People walk down a nearly empty Bourbon Street, usually bustling with tourists and revelers, in the French Quarter of New Orleans on March 19, 2020


March 24, 2020, 4:11 PM CDT
By Elisha Fieldstadt

"Health experts say it's no surprise that New Orleans is the epicenter of the coronavirus crisis in hard-hit Louisiana, after over a million people flocked to the city to celebrate Carnival for more than a month, culminating in Mardi Gras at the end of February.
Gov. John Bel Edwards on Tuesday requested a Major Disaster Declaration for the state as the number of cases rose to 1,388 cases in 43 of Louisiana’s 64 parishes, according to the state's health department.

At least 46 people have died.
“It is still impossible to know exactly how long the COVID-19 pandemic will impact Louisiana, but what we do know is that we have more cases per capita than every state, except for New York and Washington," Edwards said Tuesday. On Sunday, he issued a stay at home order in an effort to slow the rapid rise of cases.

While some parishes appear to be unaffected, Edwards said testing just hadn't caught up. "We shouldn't delude ourselves. It's in every single parish," he said.

But New Orleans, with 567 of the state's cases — 20 that led to death — is by far the epicenter of the pandemic in the state. At least nine of the people who died resided at Lambeth House, a New Orleans retirement home and nursing facility.
Doctors and residents think Carnival, which runs from Jan. 6 to Fat Tuesday on Feb. 26 and draws about 1.4 million revelers from around the world, could have been a contributing factor to the outbreak in New Orleans and all of Louisiana's parishes.

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#NewOrleans has one of the HIGHEST #COVID19 #coronavirus infection rates in the country. It is not time to relax, it’s time to be vigilant.

Stay home now to save lives later!
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“I think it came during Mardi Gras given the timing of it. Someone brought it here and then it starts spreading slowly," Dr. Joshua Denson, a pulmonary and critical care medicine physician at Tulane Medical Center in New Orleans, told NBC News.

"I diagnosed the second case, the first critically-ill patient, here last weekend. Her timing was about two weeks post Mardi Gras," he said.
The incubation period, the time between when a person contracts a virus and starts to show symptoms, for coronavirus is between 2 and 14 days, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

"This is a very important point for the American public — what we’re seeing in the hospitals now are people who most likely got exposed and sick more than two weeks ago, so you’re seeing what was occurring two and three weeks ago," Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, echoed on NBC's "TODAY" show.

Dr. Richard Oberhelman, the chairman of the Department of Global Community Health and Behavioral Sciences at Tulane University's School of Public Health and Tropical Medicine, also thinks Carnival crowds provided a perfect breeding ground for the highly contagious coronavirus to spread.

“People are really packed close together, especially for some of the big parades in the downtown section and really all along the route. There are a lot of opportunities for close contact and transmission,” Oberhelman said.
Most parades attract thousands of people and run routes that are about five blocks long.

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Bourbon Street on Mardi Gras in New Orleans, on Feb. 25, 2020.

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"During Mardi Gras, people were not thinking about social distancing or hand washing,” Oherhelman added.

Evangeline Turner, a New Orleans bartender, said many Bourbon Street hospitality workers are speculating that the Carnival parades and festivals contributed to the high number of cases.
“There's no way that can't be a reason,” she said.

Bars and restaurants are now closed, and the city's next massive party, The New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival, has been postponed.
New Orleans Mayor LaToya Cantrell even ordered basketball hoops removed from city facilities on Sunday because people were still out on the courts.
"I don't know how you can guard a man with social distancing," she said. "It doesn't work.""
 

Old Greek

Veteran Member
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeOJPJkjd8k
18:38 min

Spanish soldiers discover abandoned retirement homes +++ China to ease restrictions | Corona Update

•Mar 24, 2020


DW News

In Spain, the defence ministry says soldiers helping to fight the Coronavirus pandemic have found elderly patients in retirement homes abandoned and, in some cases, dead in their beds. Prosecutors have launched an investigation. Our correspondent Jan-Philipp Scholz has been listening to how Spanish people have been coping with more than a week in lockdown. Meanwhile Hubei, the province at the centre of China's coronavirus outbreak is to lift travel restrictions on Wednesday. The 50 million people of Hubei province have been under lockdown for two months. Those in the capital Wuhan will have to wait another two weeks before they're allowed to travel. But the easing of retsrictions seems to be a sign of progress in China's battle to defeat the coronavirus.
They need to hunt down the owners, take them out, and shoot them!!!!!
 

MinnesotaSmith

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Exclusive–The Endgame: HHS Secretary Alex Azar Lays Out How Trump Will Defeat Coronavirus ‘Invisible Enemy,’ Reopen America


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24 Mar 2020

"Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Alex Azar told Breitbart News exclusively that President Donald Trump in the coming days will work with his medical and scientific advisers to make a determination on how and when to reopen the country after wide-scale closure in the effort to stop the spread of the Chinese coronavirus.

Azar is one of Trump’s closest advisers and a top member of Vice President Mike Pence’s Coronavirus Task Force to lead the American response to this crisis. He said that the president will consult with White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Director Dr. Robert Redfield, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Dr. Anthony Fauci, commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Dr. Stephen Hahn, among others, about the so-called “curve” of the disease and how effective the extraordinary measures to stop its spread taken by Americans nationwide have been.

“The president will look at the data with his top medical advisers, people like Dr. Debbie Birx, Tony Fauci, Robert Redfield, Steve Hahn at FDA, as well as I’m sure outside advisers, and will make a decision in the next week whether to continue the 15 days or whether there are appropriate modifications he would make to the rest of the country,” Azar told Breitbart News in a phone interview on Tuesday afternoon. “For instance, whether it’s to look, as Dr. Birx I believe said yesterday in the press conference, to look at maybe focusing in localized areas instead of common national recommendations.”

“But that will be from what his advisers are seeing in the data, where the hotspots are, and whether we’re seeing communities that have taken these types of efforts and actually lived up to them, if you’re seeing a bending of the curve from an epidemiological perspective,” he explained. “That might be difficult because with epidemiological data there’s always a lag in terms of what you’re seeing, so some of this, in terms of the advice from his top scientific advisers, will be based on their experience and expertise, and I’m sure the president will have to balance against that the very valid concerns about the impact on the economy and the social fabric in the United States against those restrictions.”

The data that the president and his team of doctors and scientists will consider as they make their decision on reopening America, Azar said, is most importantly mortality rates of the disease—but also infection rates and other data.

“Dr. Birx said yesterday at the press conference the most important data point you look at that is essentially irrefutable is mortality data,” Azar said. “How many people are dying from Covid-19? That will be your firmest bit of data in assessing the situation. You will also look at infection rates and new cases, but the problem there is you never can test everybody. So the testing gives you an indicator and gives you a trend, but it is certainly less secure information than mortality data that you would look at.”

Trump, later on Tuesday after Azar’s interview with Breitbart News, said during a Fox News town hall that he hopes to reopen much of the United States by Easter Sunday, April 12. Trump, with Dr. Birx standing alongside him on Monday evening in the White House briefing room, began signaling the reopening of the country. He seems to have an ally in New York’s Democrat Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who has also voiced support for reopening the country.

President Trump has called this fight against the virus a “war” against an “invisible enemy” and has noted how people are calling him a “wartime president” in responding to the crisis. If that’s the case, that Trump is leading an American war again the virus, then that means Azar is one of the president’s generals in this war. In that vein, asked how President Trump is approaching this from a wartime perspective, Azar explained that Trump has rallied the whole country against the coronavirus in much the same way President Woodrow Wilson did in World War I or President Franklin Delano Roosevelt did in World War II.

“President Trump as our commander in chief has been marshaling every resource, not just of our government but of the economy as well, in the way that President Wilson in World War I would have or President Roosevelt in World War II,” Azar said. “That’s where you see the complete mobilization of the production capacity of the United States to make sure we have the personal protective equipment and supplies, that we have ventilators, that we have hospital capacities, that we can handle the surge—that we have the same country that did the Manhattan Project develop a vaccine [candidate] within three days, three days of getting the Chinese sequence, we have a vaccine candidate that is now in human testing eight weeks after that was developed at a historically fast rate, that we marshal all of our resources to therapeutics. So it’s really that kind of mentality that President Trump leads, like a wartime president in harvesting every aspect of the government, the economy, and the social order towards defeating an enemy.”

What’s more, while President Trump has invoked the Defense Production Act through which the federal government can compel companies to make products necessary for addressing the national emergency, he has not needed to actually force any company to make any product as of this time because companies are stepping up and helping voluntarily. Azar told Breitbart News this is because the president has rallied the whole country behind his “Whole of America” approach to winning this war.

“Because of President Trump’s leadership and his call to action, he has mobilized the entire economy,” Azar said. “We see this and we see companies coming forward and saying ‘how can I help?’ Not saying ‘How can I help and pay me’ even, but just ‘how can I help?’ You’ve heard of major auto manufacturers saying that we will make ventilators for the country, you’ve seen industrial suppliers come forward and say ‘I have half a million or a million N95 respirators’—those are the masks—‘here, have them, I’m giving them to you’ instead of the days where they might put a markup on that, and say ‘I’ve got them but here’s a price.’ The president has called all of the country towards this war on the invisible enemy. They’re coming forward, and so while we have those authorities if we need to, I have been very impressed by the nation’s manufacturers in particular coming forward to do everything they can do to help our country.”

Azar also said that regarding critical supply chains for key pharmaceuticals and medical supplies and devices, this crisis has highlighted President Trump’s vision—which he has believed and fought for even before coronavirus—pushing for bringing manufacturing back home domestically is correct. Azar also said that he is not concerned that any critical medications will be withheld from foreign countries, including especially China, despite some rumblings from Chinese state media about threats to withhold medicines from the U.S. amid this crisis.

“These are complex multi-billion dollar supply chains with sterile FDA-approved manufacturing, so they don’t move overnight, but this certainly has highlighted an issue President Trump was already concerned about which is thinking about medical products as strategic products for the safety of our country and thinking in the future about how that supply chain needs to reside and be less dependent on foreign sources,” Azar said. “I’m confident that President Trump in his dealings with President Xi and China will ensure that we have access to products that we need if they’re able to be produced. That’s why it’s good that China has bent its curve and is getting back to work and is reopening factories. I’m sure President Trump will, as he always does, fight for the American worker and fight for our healthcare in working with any country.”

On chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, anti-malarial drugs that have shown anecdotal promise in treating people who become infected with coronavirus, Azar said that Trump’s vision as president on this matter and more broadly with the field of emerging medicines for patients in dire need has been clear. He called Trump the “Right to Try president” after the president’s successful efforts in getting exploratory treatments to patients in need, and said Trump is aiming to follow that same vision of bringing hope to the public with these experimental and thus-far-untested medications.
“This is an example of President Trump’s longstanding commitment to patients in distress have access to even experimental therapies as long as they go in with their eyes open that there are risks with unproven therapies that have not been established as safe for use by the FDA,” Azar said. “The president will leave no stone unturned to be sure that there are therapeutics available for people to try. Remember, this is the Right to Try president. This is the president who was the first to get Right to Try legislation so that people who have no hope could have new hope on new therapies that haven’t yet been proven but could give that a try. That’s the same mentality he’s bringing here to COVID-19, which is if there are products that doctors think might be helpful, we need to make sure there are no regulatory barriers to the doctors being able to use them if they might be able to save a patient’s life.”
Azar concluded the interview by again laying out the end game in the effort to eradicate the coronavirus and what steps the government is taking to crush it and be ready in case it comes back later.
“Diseases have a natural curve to them,” Azar said. “That’s why we talk about the ‘curve.’ There’s a natural increase and then decrease with any disease, whether that’s the nature of the disease or, as what happens with most respiratory illnesses, a seasonality whereas as warmer weather approaches people engage in natural social distancing—they’re outside and more spread out—or even as the disease responds unfavorably to humid and warmer conditions. That’s why our goal is if we can delay this curve through the president’s historic actions and contain it and keep it outside of our borders with restrictions on travel from China, from Europe, and from Iran et cetera—or with our 15 Days to Slow the Spread action to flatten that curve and to make sure during its impact that it’s not overtaxing our health care system’s capacity. There will be a natural decline in that curve. It will happen. We use that time effectively to develop a vaccine and therapeutics so that in the event that the curve returns with a wave in the fall or next winter, if there’s seasonality and it were to come back, we will continue to work on those longer-term efforts like therapies and vaccines.”"
 

DragonBurrow

Contributing Member
Apparently Denver area has 5 nursing homes with CV19 and currently withholding the information. This is not Trumps fault and this is a travesty but need I say who will get blamed.

This is my area and all we are hearing right now is that Trump hates Colorado and refuses to help, or won't help enough and that there really isn't anything to see here. There is some kind of media muzzle too, because we had a lot of almost hourly updates and now we are doing well to get a couple a day and they just say the same things again. That is probably the spookiest part and we being the Shelter In Place orders all over the metro area.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Faulty figuring. You're ignoring the fact that nearly all cases of the virus occurred in Hubei Province (Wuhan). China pretty well contained it there. It is incorrect to compare that number to the whole country's flu season. This new study shows the virus killed about 1.4% of those infected in Wuhan.



Right... Believe whatever China says. No wonder your head is in the sand
 

SmithJ

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Trump, White House tell Wall Street execs lockdown may last beyond Easter: sources

President Trump appears to be revising his plans to end the lockdowns that have crippled the US economy, while promising that the federal government could actually spend much more than the $2 trillion in economic stimulus to prevent a virus-related economic catastrophe, FOX Business has learned.

The president's relaxed timetable for restarting the economy and the total estimates for a government stimulus were made Tuesday during a private conference call between top White House officials, the president and a handful of major Wall Street investors, according to people with direct knowledge of the matter.

During the call, the White House aides and investors discussed parts of the market hardest hit by the financial panic that has accompanied the coronavirus's spread, and the staggering amount of government stimulus being contemplated to deal with the dire economic effect of the country's business shutdowns because of the pandemic.

A White House spokesman declined to comment on the meeting.

The White House indicated that the amount of money the government will likely spend on virus relief could far exceed the $2 trillion advertised in its spending bill, one person with direct knowledge of the call said. And when all the costs of the aid packages are added up, the total could reach as high as $10 trillion or possibly more, people on the call told FOX Business.

According to one person at the meeting, the White House indicated that the entire aid package could actually cost between $6 trillion and $10 trillion or more since the Federal Reserve is also pumping as much as $4 trillion through expansive monetary policy.

In reaction to the news that a stimulus package is likely to pass imminently, the Dow Jones Industrial Average rose more than 2,000 points Tuesday, its highest point gain in a single day since 1933.

"The fire power here is like nothing we have ever seen," said one person with direct knowledge of the call.
Trump, Vice President Mike Pence and economic adviser Larry Kudlow hosted the meeting with about a half dozen Wall Street big shots, including hedge fund investor Ken Griffin of Citadel management, Stephen Schwarzman, chief executive of private equity powerhouse the Blackstone Group, and Dan Loeb, the CEO of hedge fund Third Point Capital.

Also on the call was Jeffrey Sprecher, the CEO of the Intercontinental Exchange, owner of the New York Stock Exchange, Vista Equity Partners CEO Robert Smith, and long-time hedge fund investor Paul Tudor Jones of Tudor Capital.

In an interview with FOX News, Trump said that he "would love to have the country opened up and just raring to go by Easter," which is on April 12. But according to people on the call, Trump struck a more circumspect tone, appearing to backtrack on comments he made to FOX.

Instead, Trump told the group that he would like to end the lockdowns and quarantines that have brought the U.S. economy to a near standstill "as soon as we could.” The president acknowledged that ending these measures could be at least a month away, according to a person with direct knowledge of the call. Trump's comments came as the investors were discussing the strain on the health care system and the rapidly rising caseload of coronavirus infections has placed on hospitals, people with knowledge of the meeting said.

White House officials explained on the call that they understand just how big a hit the U.S. economy has taken because of the pandemic's spread and the measures being used to slow the virus, including social distancing and quarantines. These measures have decimated small businesses such as restaurants. Small businesses employ about half of the American workforce, so with their widespread closures, some on Wall Street believe the nation's gross domestic product could fall 30 percent in the months ahead, while unemployment skyrockets.

People on the call made it clear to the president that despite the dire economic consequences they thought an ending of the various virus related lockdowns during the next two weeks, particularly in hard-hit areas such as New York and California, would be next to impossible, people with knowledge of the call told FOX Business. In a press conference Tuesday, Gov. Andrew Cuomo, of New York, said the apex of the pandemic in the Empire State is still two to three weeks away.

The conference call, which lasted about 40 minutes, also delved into areas of the capital markets hardest hit by investor's reaction to the pandemic. Parts of the debt markets are "collapsing," one of the participants told White House officials, the person with knowledge of the call said. This person added that executives communicated to Trump that banks are calling in loans to businesses and will only take cash as collateral, which has “frozen up” the lending market, and is crushing real estate prices, which is one of the biggest components of the U.S. economy.

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But the conversation grew most animated when it turned to the stimulus package that Congressional Republicans and Democrats continue to bicker over even if Wall Street believes the bill will soon make it into law in the coming days. Indeed, White House officials said stimulus package will likely be approved by Congress soon even though Republicans and Democrats continue to argue over the plan’s details, another person with knowledge of the call said.

That optimism bled over into the stock market on Tuesday, which showed strong gains as the Dow spiked 2,112.98 points or 11 percent.

One person on the call described Trump’s demeanor as thoughtful, “he listened a lot and didn’t interrupt," though Trump and White House officials also it made it clear they are looking to balance people's health needs without crippling the economy and pushing the country into a depression.

The White House officials indicated that their goal is, at some point, to begin pushing, younger healthier Americans back into the economy, while keeping older Americans most susceptible to the virus sequestered.
 
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Old Greek

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Today he says he wants ALL the ventilators from the National Reserve and is angry he is not getting them. CA Gov. Newsom, on the other hand, says that CA has an an advantage because of their ability to purchase (masks) in such bulk quantity. They are flying masks in from China today. Elon Musk has delivered several thousands of ventilators to C already. He said he recognizes that smaller states are totatly pushed out of the market and that there needs to be some central distribution arrangement so that their needs are met equitably.
I "think" he rejected buying 16000 a few years ago and spent the state money on a solar panel program instead.
 

marsh

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Jeez this topic is getting huge. Anyway, having not been able to find anything else regarding my post of information heard on the radio, I'm officially withdrawing the portion of the information regarding the possible Dr. and curing events. Not the science, as I do believe it to be valid. Just haven't been able to find a confirmation. Although Doc could by now be in a Star Chamber for having crossed paths with big Pharma.

So forget the portion stating cures. You know, like the pink elephant sitting next to you. Forget it. Don't think about it again. . . . .

TWTFS.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AToF8O5T86s
about 5 min in to 10:30 min video previously posted
Coronavirus Pandemic Update 39: Rapid COVID-19 Spread with Mild or No Symptoms, More on Treatment - Medcram
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
It is like the Princess Cruises - all those upper middle class New Yawkers are going to seed this bugger up and down the east coast in an effort to try and out run it.

I am in CA, but tomorrow is garbage day and at least 1/2 of my neighbors don't have cans out. So where did they go?- the Sierra Mtns to their bug out locations. My former little mountain county with a total pop of about 45,000 for more than 6,000 sq, miles, already has 3 cases. I don't even think they have an ICU. I know one of the nurses at the hospital said they have no masks left.
 
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DragonBurrow

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Am I the only one coming to the conclusion that Trump said we have to get back to work to force the stimulus package into finalizing? He has had this stimulus or go to work undercurrent for a few days, in my opinion. Just trying to get a gut check here.
 
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