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Countrymouse

Countrymouse

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rondaben said:
Here ya go.

You don't want to use corticosteroids in the early phases or possibly even in the more severe side. steroids work as an anti-inflammatory and immune suppressant.

You do want to use corticosteroids if the patient is in ARDS. This is when the immune system is shredding the lungs to try to destroy tissue infected with the virus. This is where the anti-inflammatory and immune suppressant qualities are NEEDED.

Mucomyst is good for breaking up mucus and thick sputum. From what I have read the initial phases at least are nonproductive with regards to sputum. Probably varies. It pairs well with albuterol or duonebs for people with bronchitis/bacterial pneumonia. Don't know how effective the pairing would be for this virus. Max dose is 10ml of the 20% solution or 20ml of the 10% solution. Also, remember that acetylcysteine is an antidote for acetaminophen. I wouldn't use it by itself if you have asthma as it can cause bronchospasm
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Thanks--but why would anyone need an "antidote" for acetaminophen"?

Is "Mucomyst" by prescription only? What is generic name for it?
 
Heliobas Disciple

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Georgia ports expect 30-40% drop in imports from coronavirus impact

Georgia’s economy could soon take its first hit from coronavirus, with shipments into the state’s ports dropping up to 40% in March, April.
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Georgia ports expect 30-40% drop in imports from coronavirus impact
Reduction to be felt starting in March as China shipments shrivel up
Feb 25, 2020
Michael E. Kanell, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Georgia’s economy will likely take its first hit from the coronavirus very soon, with shipments into the state’s ports dropping up to 40% in March and April, according to projections by the agency that manages that traffic.

Cuts and closures in Chinese production since the outbreak of the virus about six weeks ago has not yet been felt here, but that is about to change, according to Griffith Lynch, executive director of the Georgia Ports Authority.

“We do see quite an impact,” he said. “We’ve been shut down by hurricanes for six days or a week. But this is really unprecedented.”

Virtually all of that anticipated drop is linked to China, Georgia’s largest trading partner. Last year, the state imported about $19.8 billion in goods from China, according to the Georgia Department of Economic Development.

Among the goods imported from China are seats, toys, furniture and floor coverings.

The authority has 1,360 employees, most of them at the ports in Savannah and Brunswick, but tens of thousands of others work for shipping and trucking companies.

The coming chill in business would threaten those jobs, but only if the virus-related problems continue for more than a few months, Lynch said. “Because it’s a spot issue, I think we’ll see the jobs safe, but they will work fewer hours and there will be no overtime.”

The economic impact could be widespread. About 440,000 jobs – roughly one in every nine in Georgia – is dependent on the ports and the commerce that moves through them, according to a 2017 study by the University of Georgia’s Terry College of Business.

About half of those jobs are in metro Atlanta, according to economist Jeff Humphreys, author of the report and director of the Selig Center for Growth.

“The ports are especially supportive of other forms of transportation, manufacturing, wholesale/distribution centers, and agriculture,” he wrote.

There is about a 30-day lag between the time a ship leaves China and its arrival on the coast of Georgia. That is why the ports have yet to feel the impact of the virus. And when manufacturing ramps up, it will likewise take about a month for normality to return at the ports.

“It’s going to be a difficult time, but hopefully it is going to be short-lived,” Lynch said.

The long-range impact of the virus is still uncertain. While many Chinese factories have reopened, production is reportedly still less than half its normal levels since many plants do not have their full staff.

Moreover, production in other Asian countries – especially South Korea, Japan and Vietnam, — depends on parts that come from China. And those countries too are now dealing with the spread of the disease itself.

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My comments:

This is a result of the shutdowns for the months of Jan and Feb. It will only get worse from there if everyone doesn't go back to work in China in the next week or two.

There are two reasons to prep. 1) you may be too sick to go to the store, or you won't want to be in a store full of people who may be asymptomatic carriers, touching everything, leaving droplets and breathing near you and 2) there may not be anything to buy in the next few months because the stores an the warehouses that supply to them will be empty.

This article speaks to the second reason and the one that should be prompting you to prep for longer than the 2 weeks currently being recommended (and probably only 2 weeks are being recommended because there isn't enough merchandise in the stores and warehouses for everyone to prep for longer than that practically speaking).

HD
 
Freeholder

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
Country mouse, if there was no antidote for acetaminophen, my youngest daughter would be dead. Absolutely necessary in case of an overdose (acetaminophen is very bad stuff if you overdose). But I don’t know if that is what Rondaben had in mind with that comment.

Kathleen
 
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Lone Eagle Woman

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Now have been hearing this as of will it disappear when the warmer weather appears. Interesting thing to contemplate. Now even though it has been registered in warmer locations, the places that it so far seems to thrive and spread are in the cooler locations it seems. Outside of China, right now most of these locations where it seems to be thriving and spreading are in cooler locations in the Northern Hemisphere like South Korea, Japan, Italy. Guess it is winter in Iran also but who knows how warm or cold it is there right now. And now since spring and warmer temperatures will soon be coming, personally I will be looking at this. Yes there has been incidents in South America and such. But if it doesn't get going in these more warmer areas sometime soon then could they be on to something? But if it rampages and goes crazy in any warm parts like Australia, Africa, and South America or wherever soon then that in itself will bury this notion of it disappearing once it gets warm. Just something to watch and contemplate. I for one will rejoice if this thing does somehow disappear once the warm weather comes about. Again just something to watch. One will know easily in the days ahead where this thing goes crazy next. And one can always see what the weather in that area is doing also. It is summer right now in the Southern Hemisphere.


Wishing Everyone the Best!
 
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rondaben

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Countrymouse said:
Thanks--but why would anyone need an "antidote" for acetaminophen"?

Is "Mucomyst" by prescription only? What is generic name for it?
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Often people will use tylenol duirng a suicide attempt. Also, they may take a lot of tylenol for fever/pain as well as prescription pain medication or cold/flu meds that also have acetaminophin in it.

Acetaminophen (Tylenol) toxicity won't kill you quickly. It destroys your liver and you die slowly over time.

We give mucomyst (the actual drug is N-acetylcysteine) as the antidote to prevent the liver damage.
 
20Gauge

20Gauge

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hummer said:
I read on my 3m mask that while they are made in USA the materials are globally sourced. Has anyone else read that?
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Standard statement. If you have multiple sources of raw materials, you would say that even if the current masks are all USA sourced. Saved on retooling machines and fewer parts overall.
 
marsh

marsh

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Lone Eagle Woman said:
Now have been hearing this as of will it disappear when the warmer weather appears. Interesting thing to contemplate. Now even though it has been registered in warmer locations, the places that it so far seems to thrive and spread are in the cooler locations it seems. Outside of China, right now most of these locations where it seems to be thriving and spreading are in cooler locations in the Northern Hemisphere like South Korea, Japan, Italy. Guess it is winter in Iran also but who knows how warm or cold it is there right now. And now since spring and warmer temperatures will soon be coming, personally I will be looking at this. Yes there has been incidents in South America and such. But if it doesn't get going in these more warmer areas sometime soon then could they be on to something. But if it rampages and goes crazy in any warm parts like Australia, Africa, and South America or wherever soon then that in itself will bury this notion of it disappearing once it gets warm. Just something to watch and contemplate. I for one will rejoice if this thing does somehow disappear once the warm weather comes about. Again just something to watch. One will know easily in the days ahead where this thing goes crazy next. And one can always see what the weather in that area is doing also. It is summer right now in the Southern Hemisphere.


Wishing Everyone the Best!
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Will COVID-19 go away on its own in warmer weather?
Will COVID-19 go away on its own in warmer weather?
 
Cascadians

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
Lots of live press conferences today. Corona confirmed at the Washington State Kirkland nursing home.
Disaster.
So glad Lynn retired from being the Health Administrator of a very large eldercare community.
 
Zahra

Zahra

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Cascadians said:
Now that health authorities can run hopefully reliable tests they will see it has spread widely. Expect travel restrictions, quarantines and lock down announced soon.
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I'd rather that happened instead of the way I think they'll handle this.

I think they'll test reluctantly - only when they sort of have to. Unless the case is bad enough, many will be told they have flu and sent home to provide self care. Only those bad enough to require hospitalization will be counted as Covid-19 cases.

I hope I'm very wrong though and you're right! I'd far rather it was caught and contained than not!
 
Normallguy

Normallguy

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hiwall said:
This virus might solve the Social Security and Medicare problem in the USA
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It would also remove the rest of the memories of when we were a Great Nation!
And how it was done.
Quietly watch is all I can do, too much going on, creating new filters, cannot even keep up with this thread.
Let alone the rest of the planet, Ha!

Wow that sounded different, I see we all are adapting to the changing situations as we are able.
No matter what course President Trump takes, my entire Trust is in God.

It appears the ride is speeding up, or not.
Everyone seat-belts latched Please.
Do NOT tighten yet!!!

JefFREE
 
jed turtle

jed turtle

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Troke said:
Really? I constantly read here that the gov knows but is not telling us. Only somebody]y who believes in the efficiency of gov would believe that. My position is that the gov does not know. They may think they do but they don't. Which is why they seem to do stupid things. They just plain don't know.
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If the government were merely incompetent, then, statistically, they should get things right at least half the time. I do not think they are batting that high, which indicates intentional malevolence, rather than stupidity...
 
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seraphima

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One death in Kirkland, 50 sick and being tested in a nursing home there. Wash. state sees 1st virus death in US, declares emergency

Uh Oh, Covid19 is out and spreading fast in Washington State.

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EvergreenHealth Medical Center is seen Saturday, Feb. 29, 2020, where a person died of COVID-19, in Kirkland, Wash. State health officials announced the death Saturday, marking the first such reported death in the United States. State officials issued a terse news release announcing the death, and gave no details before a scheduled news conference later in the day. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)

The governor of Washington declared a state of emergency Saturday after a man died there of COVID-19, the first such reported death in the United States. More than 50 people in a nursing facility are sick and being tested for the virus.
Gov. Jay Inslee directed state agencies to use “all resources necessary” to prepare for and respond to the coronavirus outbreak. The declaration also allows the use of the Washington National Guard, if necessary.
“We will continue to work toward a day where no one dies from this virus,” the governor vowed.
Health officials in California, Oregon and Washington state are worried about the novel coronavirus spreading through West Coast communities because a growing number of people are being infected despite not having visited an area where there was an outbreak, nor apparently been in contact with anyone who had.

The man who died was in his 50s, had underlying health conditions and no history of travel or contact with a known COVID-19 case, health officials in Washington state said at a news conference. A spokesperson for EvergreenHealth Medical Center, Kayse Dahl, said the person died in the facility in the Seattle suburb of Kirkland.
Dr. Frank Riedo, medical director of Infection Control at Evergreen, said local hospitals are seeing people with severe coronavirus symptoms but it’s probable that there are more cases in the community.
“This is the tip of the iceberg,” he said.
The health officials reported two cases of COVID-19 virus connected to a long-term care facility in the same suburb, Life Care Center of Kirkland. One is a Life Care worker, a woman in her 40s who is in satisfactory condition at a hospital, and the other is a woman in her 70s and a resident at Life Care who is hospitalized in serious condition. Neither had traveled abroad.
“In addition, over 50 individuals associated with Life Care are reportedly ill with respiratory symptoms or hospitalized with pneumonia or other respiratory conditions of unknown cause and are being tested for COVID-19,” Seattle and King County officials said. “Additional positive cases are expected.”
Amy Reynolds of the Washington state health department said in a brief telephone interview: “We are dealing with an emergency evolving situation.”
A growing number of cases in California, Washington state and Oregon are confounding authorities because the infected people hadn’t recently traveled overseas or had any known close contact with a traveler or an infected person.
 
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Lone Eagle Woman

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Do wonder how much is it in reality there in the West Coast States right now. And spreading. And those on the West Coast are always traveling here to the Rocky Mountain States. Now was thinking of possibly of visiting Southern Utah this spring if things looked okay. NOT NOW!!!! Californians and Washingtonians love to go and vacation there. Huddle and Self Isolate here in the Wyoming Wilds with hopefully an early spring.
 
20Gauge

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jed turtle said:
If the government were merely incompetent, then, statistically, they should get things right at least half the time. I do not thknow hi they are batting that high, which indicates intentional malevolence, rather than stupidity...
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Getting things right 50% of the time is just random guessing. Stupid governments, like stupid people always seem to beat the odds and do things wrong 99% of the time...
 
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Squid

Veteran Member
And so it begins.

The worst place to have this infection is a skilled care or assisted living facility. Close contact with a large population of people with pre existing health conditions and reduced ability to fight infections.

Plus the large number of hi risk hi required care if this was a rural care facility will quickly swamp the ICU for a small rural, indian health, or subacute hospital.
 
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Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
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Brazil confirms second case of new coronavirus: Health Ministry

Brazil's Health Ministry on Saturday confirmed the country's second case of the fast-spreading new coronavirus, diagnosed in a 32-year-old patient in São Paulo who had recently visited Italy and arrived on Thursday.
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World News
February 29, 2020 / 12:42 PM / Updated 33 minutes ago
Brazil confirms second case of new coronavirus: Health Ministry
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SAO PAULO (Reuters) - Brazil’s Health Ministry on Saturday confirmed the country’s second case of the fast-spreading new coronavirus, diagnosed in a 32-year-old patient in São Paulo who had recently visited Italy and arrived on Thursday.

The man returned to São Paulo accompanied by his wife and wore a mask during the flight from Milan, according to additional information on the case released by the ministry after a brief statement earlier.

The man exhibited the first symptoms on the day he arrived and sought medical attention on Friday, the statement said. He was in stable condition and was sent home to recover after receiving treatment at the same hospital that handled Brazil’s first case of the new coronavirus.

His wife is asymptomatic, the ministry added. Both are in isolation at home.

There was no evidence that the virus was circulating nationwide, the health ministry statement said.

Brazil’s first case of the novel coronavirus was confirmed on Wednesday, during the South American country’s Carnival holiday, a peak time for domestic travel.

The first confirmed case was a 61-year-old man in São Paulo who also had returned recently from Italy and is recovering at home.

There are 85,403 confirmed cases globally, the Brazilian health ministry said on Saturday, citing data from the World Health Organization. The epidemic, which began in China, has killed almost 3,000 people worldwide, the ministry said.

Reporting by Lisandra Paraguassu,; Writing by Ana Mano; Editing by Rosalba O'Brien and Jonathan Oatis
 
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DuckandCover

Proud Sheeple
Here is a possible way to start seeing how much the virus is in the community:

Go to the CDC website and look at the flu activity reports for the individual states. Most of the states have a chart that shows the amount of office visits for ILI (influenza like illness). I looked at several states last night and they all appeared normal for this time of the year...... coming down from the typical flu spike each winter. However, I expect this to change as the virus becomes more prevalent. If we start to see another move up, that could be our sign. An added bonus is that some of the states give a chart for each region of the state (southwest, northeast, etc) so it will make it easier to see what areas are seeing outbreaks.

One caveat: Most of the information is about a week old, but better than nothing. We may be able to start seeing spikes before the news starts announcing it.
 
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Squid

Veteran Member
rondaben said:
it isn't gonna be a downturn. and it isn't fixable.
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It’s always fixable. Of course the medicine may burn a little going down. I expect multi waves in downturn we are in the initial spaz selling down but the great reset is now moving from possible to probable.

Companies are just now thinking this may impact them.

Trying to fix borrowing binge by borrowing more is like fixing withdraw by a fix it might fe
 
marsh

marsh

On TB every waking moment
This is exactly how the bottleneck will become painfully apparent as to why this is not "just like the flu." You have 50 infected patients in one bump, (maybe more as this is a prime vulnerable population in one locale.) What do you do with them? If they need respiratory services, they will likely be moved into the local hospital's availabIe ICUs (hopefully negative pressure rooms) - until they fill them up. Then the neighboring hospital, etc. What do you do with the rest? Leave them at the nursing home and risk infecting the currently uninfected? Do you sacrifice the nursing home as as intermediate care facility - or does the private owner eject them? What about the next patients. Where will they go?

There is also one in the hospital currently occupying a room where it does not look like her case is severe. Do you kick her home to self care to release the room? What if she lives by herself?

Epic demo case of how this is about to overwhelm the health care system..
 
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bw

Fringe Ranger
marsh said:
Leave them at the nursing home and risk infecting the currently uninfected? Do you sacrifice the nursing home as as intermediate care facility - or does the private owner eject them? What about the next patients. Where will they go? Epic demo case of how this is about to overwhelm the health care system..
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When a couple have been carried away, they'll decide to put a perimeter around the home and hold them there. It's really all they can do.
 
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Bicycle Junkie

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bw said:
When a couple have been carried away, they'll decide to put a perimeter around the home and hold them there. It's really all they can do.
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It seems to me that if a nursing home patient gets the Wuflu, the facility would have to be quarantined and the staff would not be able to leave. Staff would have to stay for weeks away from home.
 
rafter

rafter

Since 1999
OK, I'm confused....Fox reporting after the one person died that is now a man....there are 4 confirmed cases and 50 people showing symptoms of Corona Virus in Washington state.

When did we get 4 in Washington?
 
bw

bw

Fringe Ranger
Bicycle Junkie said:
It seems to me that if a nursing home patient gets the Wuflu, the facility would have to be quarantined and the staff would not be able to leave. Staff would have to stay for weeks away from home.
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That's what I'm thinking. Either they quarantine the staff there, or they set up some other site where the staff members can be individually quarantined to not cross-infect. But that becomes a big operation pretty quickly.

Word is out now. How many nursing home staff for other facilities will report to work for their next shift? Would you?
 
marsh

marsh

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rafter said:
OK, I'm confused....Fox reporting after the one person died that is now a man....there are 4 confirmed cases and 50 people showing symptoms of Corona Virus in Washington state.

When did we get 4 in Washington?
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Yesterday, there were 2 cases of community spread reported. I believe one was a woman who had visited Korea and another was a High School boy. Today, I believe it was revealed that a man had died on Friday from the nursing home and it had been confirmed afterward that it was COVID -19. (I think this was because the CDC did not approve the test for non-travelers until the CA case from Solano.) Then another at the same nursing home was confirmed and now another 50 from that nursing home are suspected of having it. (Is this right?)
 
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