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New infection cases reported in Japan | NHK WORLD-JAPAN News
New infection cases reported in Japan | NHK WORLD-JAPAN News
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20Gauge
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Who in their right mind is on a cruise to Asia????
I do understand Europe or the Gulf area, but ASIA?????
What are they doing following a manual on how to commit suicide without it appearing so......??
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Thank you!
Trivium, who makes unity defense? I am having problems finding it. TIA
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Doomer Doug
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Um, actually I'm not anywhere close to panic mode. I would say I am more in pre-combat mode, or maybe just doing a heavy shopping mode and looking at these FOOLS AND MORONS around me in downtown Portland who don't have a clue. Besides, my Mossberg Cruiser 500 20 gauge pump shotgun will be delivered to my gunship today, which means BW, CALL NO MAN IN PANIC WHO HAS A LOADED 20 GAUGE SHOTGUN IN HIS APARTMENT. JUST ASK THE OTHER 20 GAUGE HERE.
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Telling us how many were tested is just flashing a headline.... how many were positive is what we need to know....
This was not aimed at the person who posted, but rather the source....
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Are you kidding more than half the world still cr*p where ever they happen to be at the time... street, sidewalk, park, etc.
northern watch
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Will The Coronavirus Trigger A Recession?
by Tyler Durden
Zero Hedge
Friday, 02/14/2020 - 13:35
Authored by Patrick Hill via RealInvestmentAdvice.com,
As if waking up to an economic nightmare, investors see headlines like these and many others flashing across their Bloomberg terminals:
It is as if an economic tsunami is rolling over the global economy. China’s economy was 18 % of world GDP in 2019. For most S & P 100 corporations, the Asian giant is their fastest growing market at 20 – 30 % per year. Even more critical, China has become the hub of world manufacturing after entering the World Trade Organization in 2000. Over the past two decades, U.S. corporations have relocated manufacturing to China to leverage an inexpensive labor force and modern business infrastructure.
Source: The Wall Street Journal – 2/7/20
Prior to the epidemic, world trade had begun to slow as a result of the China – U.S. trade war and other tariffs. World trade for the first time since the last recession has turned negative.
Source: Haver Analytics, The Wall Street Journal, The Daily Shot – 1/19/20
Based on severity estimates, analysts have forecasted the impact on first-quarter China GDP growth. In the chart below from Fitch Ratings, growth for first quarter drops almost in half and for year growth drops to 5.2 % if containment is delayed:
Sources: The Wall Street Journal, The Daily Shot – 2/6/20
When news of the virus first was announced, the market sustained a quick modest decline. The next day, investors were reassured by official news from China and the World Health Organization that the virus could be contained. Market valuations bounced on optimism that the world economy would see little to no damage in the first quarter of 2020. Yet, there is growing skepticism that the official tolls of the virus are short of reality. Doctors report that at the epicenter of Wuhan that officials are grossly underestimating the number of people infected and dead. The London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine has an epidemic model indicating there will be at least 500,000 infections at the peak in a few weeks far greater than the present 45,000 officially reported.
The reaction, and not statements, of major governments to the epidemic hint that the insider information they have received is far worse and uncertain. U.S. global airlines have canceled flights to China until mid-March and 30 other carriers have suspended flights indefinitely – severely reducing business and tourist activities. The U.S. government has urged U.S. citizens to leave the country, flown embassy staff and families back to the U.S., and elevated the alert status of China to ‘Do Not Travel’ on par with Syria and North Korea. All of these actions have angered the Chinese government. While protecting U.S. citizens from the illness it adds stress to an already tense trade relationship. To reduce trade tension, China announced a relaxation of import tariffs on $75 billion of U.S. goods, reducing tariffs by 5 to 10 %. President Xi on a telephone call with President Trump committed to complete all purchases of U.S. goods on target by the end of the year while delaying shipments temporarily. It remains to be seen if uncontrolled events will drive a deeper trade wage between the U.S. and China.
Inside China, chaos in the supply chain operations is creating great uncertainty. Workers are being told to work from home and stay away from factories for at least for another week beyond the Lunar New Year and now well into late-February. Foxconn and Tesla announced plant openings on February 10th, yet ramping up output is still an issue. It will be a challenge to staff factories as many workers are in quarantined cities and train schedules have been curtailed or canceled. Many factories are dependent on parts from other cities around the country that may have more severe restrictions on transportation and/or workers reporting to work. Thus, even when a plant is open, it is likely to be operating at limited capacity.
On February 7th, the Federal Reserve announced that while the trade war pause has improved the global economy, it cautioned that the coronavirus posed a ‘new threat to the world economy.’ The Fed is monitoring the situation. The central bank of China infused CNY 2 trillion in the last four weeks to provide fresh liquidity. The liquidity will help financially stretched Chinese companies survive for a while, but they are unlikely to be able to continue operations unless production and sales return to pre epidemic levels quickly.
Will the Federal Reserve really be able to buffer the supply chain disruption and sales declines in the first quarter of 2020? The Fed already seems overwhelmed, keeping a $1+ trillion yearly federal deficit under control and providing billions in repo financing to banks and hedge funds causing soaring prices in risk assets. While the Fed may be able to assist U.S. corporations with liquidity through a tough stretch of declining sales and supply chain disruptions, it cannot create sales or build products.
Prior to the virus crisis, CEO Confidence was at a ten year low. Then, CEO confidence levels improved a little with the Phase One trade deal driving brighter business prospects for the coming year. Now, a possible black swan epidemic has entered the world economic stage creating extreme levels of sales and operational uncertainty. Marc Benioff, CEO of Salesforce, expresses the anxiety many CEOs feel about trade:
Oxford Economics has forecast a slowdown in US GDP growth in the first quarter of 2020 to just .6 %
Sources: Oxford Economics, The Wall Street Journal, The Daily Shot – 2/6/20
Will U.S. GDP growth really be shaved by just .4 %? If we consider the compounding effect of the epidemic to disrupt both demand and supply, the social chaos in China challenging government authority (i.e., Hong Kong), and a lingering trade war – these factors all make a decline into a recession a real and growing possibility. Mohammed A. El-Arian. Chief Economic Advisor at Allianz in a recent Bloomberg opinion warns of a U shaped recession or worse an L :
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by Tyler Durden
Zero Hedge
Friday, 02/14/2020 - 13:35
Authored by Patrick Hill via RealInvestmentAdvice.com,
As if waking up to an economic nightmare, investors see headlines like these and many others flashing across their Bloomberg terminals:
- Facebook says Oculus headphone production will be delayed due to virus
- Apple extends country wide store closing for another week
- Foxconn delays iPhone production
- Qualcomm cuts production forecast due to virus uncertainty
- Starbucks announces China store closures through Lunar New Year, uncertain when they may reopen
- US Steel flashes a warning of a cut in demand
- Nike shoe production halted
- Under Armour missed on sales, and their outlook is weak. They partially blamed the Corona Virus outbreak.
- IEA forecasts drop in oil demand this quarter- first time in a decade
It is as if an economic tsunami is rolling over the global economy. China’s economy was 18 % of world GDP in 2019. For most S & P 100 corporations, the Asian giant is their fastest growing market at 20 – 30 % per year. Even more critical, China has become the hub of world manufacturing after entering the World Trade Organization in 2000. Over the past two decades, U.S. corporations have relocated manufacturing to China to leverage an inexpensive labor force and modern business infrastructure.
Source: The Wall Street Journal – 2/7/20
Prior to the epidemic, world trade had begun to slow as a result of the China – U.S. trade war and other tariffs. World trade for the first time since the last recession has turned negative.
Source: Haver Analytics, The Wall Street Journal, The Daily Shot – 1/19/20
Based on severity estimates, analysts have forecasted the impact on first-quarter China GDP growth. In the chart below from Fitch Ratings, growth for first quarter drops almost in half and for year growth drops to 5.2 % if containment is delayed:
Sources: The Wall Street Journal, The Daily Shot – 2/6/20
When news of the virus first was announced, the market sustained a quick modest decline. The next day, investors were reassured by official news from China and the World Health Organization that the virus could be contained. Market valuations bounced on optimism that the world economy would see little to no damage in the first quarter of 2020. Yet, there is growing skepticism that the official tolls of the virus are short of reality. Doctors report that at the epicenter of Wuhan that officials are grossly underestimating the number of people infected and dead. The London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine has an epidemic model indicating there will be at least 500,000 infections at the peak in a few weeks far greater than the present 45,000 officially reported.
The reaction, and not statements, of major governments to the epidemic hint that the insider information they have received is far worse and uncertain. U.S. global airlines have canceled flights to China until mid-March and 30 other carriers have suspended flights indefinitely – severely reducing business and tourist activities. The U.S. government has urged U.S. citizens to leave the country, flown embassy staff and families back to the U.S., and elevated the alert status of China to ‘Do Not Travel’ on par with Syria and North Korea. All of these actions have angered the Chinese government. While protecting U.S. citizens from the illness it adds stress to an already tense trade relationship. To reduce trade tension, China announced a relaxation of import tariffs on $75 billion of U.S. goods, reducing tariffs by 5 to 10 %. President Xi on a telephone call with President Trump committed to complete all purchases of U.S. goods on target by the end of the year while delaying shipments temporarily. It remains to be seen if uncontrolled events will drive a deeper trade wage between the U.S. and China.
Inside China, chaos in the supply chain operations is creating great uncertainty. Workers are being told to work from home and stay away from factories for at least for another week beyond the Lunar New Year and now well into late-February. Foxconn and Tesla announced plant openings on February 10th, yet ramping up output is still an issue. It will be a challenge to staff factories as many workers are in quarantined cities and train schedules have been curtailed or canceled. Many factories are dependent on parts from other cities around the country that may have more severe restrictions on transportation and/or workers reporting to work. Thus, even when a plant is open, it is likely to be operating at limited capacity.
On February 7th, the Federal Reserve announced that while the trade war pause has improved the global economy, it cautioned that the coronavirus posed a ‘new threat to the world economy.’ The Fed is monitoring the situation. The central bank of China infused CNY 2 trillion in the last four weeks to provide fresh liquidity. The liquidity will help financially stretched Chinese companies survive for a while, but they are unlikely to be able to continue operations unless production and sales return to pre epidemic levels quickly.
Will the Federal Reserve really be able to buffer the supply chain disruption and sales declines in the first quarter of 2020? The Fed already seems overwhelmed, keeping a $1+ trillion yearly federal deficit under control and providing billions in repo financing to banks and hedge funds causing soaring prices in risk assets. While the Fed may be able to assist U.S. corporations with liquidity through a tough stretch of declining sales and supply chain disruptions, it cannot create sales or build products.
Prior to the virus crisis, CEO Confidence was at a ten year low. Then, CEO confidence levels improved a little with the Phase One trade deal driving brighter business prospects for the coming year. Now, a possible black swan epidemic has entered the world economic stage creating extreme levels of sales and operational uncertainty. Marc Benioff, CEO of Salesforce, expresses the anxiety many CEOs feel about trade:
Adding to the uncertainty is a deteriorating political environment in China. During the first few weeks of December, local Wuhan officials denounced a doctor that was calling for recognition of the new virus. He later died of the disease, triggering a social media uproar over the circumstances of his treatment. Many Chinese people have posted on social media strident criticisms of the delayed government response. Academics have posted petitions for freedom of speech, laying the blame on government censors for making the virus outbreak worse. The wave of freedom calls is rising as Hong Kong protester’s messages seem to be spreading to the mainland. The calls for freedom of speech and democracy are posing a major challenge to President Xi. Food prices skyrocketed by 20 % in January with pork prices rising 116 % adding to consumer concerns. Political observers see this challenge to government policies on par with the Tiananmen Square protests in 1989. The ensuing massacre of protestors is still in the minds of many mainland people. As seems to be true of many of these events that it is not the crisis itself, but the reaction and ensuing waves of social disorder which drive a major economic impact.
Oxford Economics has forecast a slowdown in US GDP growth in the first quarter of 2020 to just .6 %
Sources: Oxford Economics, The Wall Street Journal, The Daily Shot – 2/6/20
Will U.S. GDP growth really be shaved by just .4 %? If we consider the compounding effect of the epidemic to disrupt both demand and supply, the social chaos in China challenging government authority (i.e., Hong Kong), and a lingering trade war – these factors all make a decline into a recession a real and growing possibility. Mohammed A. El-Arian. Chief Economic Advisor at Allianz in a recent Bloomberg opinion warns of a U shaped recession or worse an L :
We hope the epidemic can be contained quickly and lives saved with a return to a more certain world economy. Yet, 1930s historical records show rising world nationalism, trade wars, and the fracturing of the world order does not bode well for a positive outcome.
Zerohedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
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littlechasingbear
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I’ve done much reading into Lomatium root. I’ve been drinking a tea form three to four times a day (be careful not get dehydrated, drink lots of water to alkaline the body as the Lomatium root gets rid of toxins and the acidics that cause so many problems). When I drink hot tea, I use Lomatium tea instead of regular water.
There are major health benefits besides not just for not flu, too many to put in one post.
From everything I’ve read, if you get the detox rash then you NEED the detox! The larger the rash, the more important it is. The rash is a reaction to the Lomatium root dispelling anything bad in your system. Bigger the rash, that means you had a lot of bad that’s it getting rid of.
It even gets rid of viruses that have been imbedded into the tissue that could come out at any moment.
I, personally, didn’t get the rash, even though I took enough the first time to become nauseas from it.
But Lomatium root doesn’t have any toxins, and taking too much will only cause nausea, but no damage, so you can increase the dosage as much as needed.
All good, no bad.
(My opinion. I am not a doctor)
I believe in using it. When I got to the slope three people in our camp had the Flu and were being sent home so I pretty much walked into the flu. I figured the rash would be better than the flu. Even though I have never had the flu, that I am aware of, I didn’t want to take the chance so I started eating pieces of the dried root three times a day and taking elderberry syrup twice a day. I regularly take 1000 mg of Lipo C and as much regular absorbic acid in several doses a day, to bowel tolerance, anyway. They say take vit C to help with the rash. I take a high dose anyway so I can’t imagine how bad the rash would have been had I not been doing high dose C to begin with. It made it up my neck but I have a beard so I was able to keep it hidden. Coworkers would have flipped out had they seen the rash. It looks bad, like measles.
It was uncomfortable and lasted about 4 days total but I did not get the flu. It’s been 2 1/2 weeks since I was exposed.
Then came the head cold everyone up here had. My nose started running and itching one night so bad, my eyes were watching and I was sneezing. I mega dosed elderberry syrup, 6 table spoons in 12 hours and ate pieces of lomatium, again. In less than 24 hours my cold symptoms were almost non existent. The other guys are still sniffling, blowing their noses etc. I am completely fine.
I really believe in Elderberry and lomatium used together with high doses of vit C.
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I’m in Sees getting candy right now, and the nice lady is handing out samples and encouraging us to tighten up the line and “get cozy”
Doomer Doug
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Seriously, it is more that I have dead people all around me, the walking dead, and I just watch them, and wait for then to die, especially the pathetic homeless types. It is here now amigos. Yesterday I was in the park, just pondering my navel, be and some Indian, like from Mumbai and IT, starts coughing like he is going to die right there 25 feet away, and moi, well, I'm 66 and it just doesn't matter to me. Death is everywhere, and all you in your rural fortified Roman villas ain't got much longer than I do. I can never get the %%^ smileys to work either!!
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Thank you for the multiple mentions.....
I am of the same point of view as DD. Be ready, prepare, review and watch everyone else outside of your group.
By the way.... DD..... you never mentioned the type of shot you are using.... for us #4 works very well for the wife who if 5 foot flat and has small hands.....not too hard and very destructive.
I will have to post a picture of her setup.
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Vietnam: Over Half of U.S. Manufacturing Firms Report Coronavirus-Related Disruptions@Stratfor
Vietnam: Over Half of U.S. Manufacturing Firms Report Coronavirus-Related Disruptions
20Gauge
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Only if we sit on our butts and not take advantage of China's possible collapse.
I see many opportunities for business starting back up and selling things that China has been selling us...
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Hold my beer!
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
BEWARE of eating or making “fancy/cute food” especially during an epidemic!
The Japanese housewife and (few) other cultures, except pretentious hosts, overly solicitous mommies, haute cuisine chefs and people making “Bento lunch boxes” and other people TRYING to decorate, garnis, arrange, or “present” a “more appetizing” or beautiful plate of food WILL UNWITTINGLY CONTAMINATE THAT FOOD WITH “edible decorations” placed with hands that may have been washed when they STARTED cooking an hour ago, but have since been LOADED WITH BACTERIA AND VIRUSES from (during food prep) touching the seldom washed salt shaker, the seldom washed kitchen sink faucet handles, the stove burner knobs, the refrigerator door handle, moving the step-stool or back of the kitchen chair, touching the cupboard door, touching microwave controls, pulling out a drawer while cooking, answering the phone while cooking, coughing, sneezing, touching one’s face or hair while cooking.
SERVE HOT FOOD HOT without garnishes or manually placed cold “decorations”.
Don’t EAT food served like that, Don’t Make food like that, ESPECIALLY DURING AN EPIDEMIIC.
The Japanese housewife and (few) other cultures, except pretentious hosts, overly solicitous mommies, haute cuisine chefs and people making “Bento lunch boxes” and other people TRYING to decorate, garnis, arrange, or “present” a “more appetizing” or beautiful plate of food WILL UNWITTINGLY CONTAMINATE THAT FOOD WITH “edible decorations” placed with hands that may have been washed when they STARTED cooking an hour ago, but have since been LOADED WITH BACTERIA AND VIRUSES from (during food prep) touching the seldom washed salt shaker, the seldom washed kitchen sink faucet handles, the stove burner knobs, the refrigerator door handle, moving the step-stool or back of the kitchen chair, touching the cupboard door, touching microwave controls, pulling out a drawer while cooking, answering the phone while cooking, coughing, sneezing, touching one’s face or hair while cooking.
SERVE HOT FOOD HOT without garnishes or manually placed cold “decorations”.
Don’t EAT food served like that, Don’t Make food like that, ESPECIALLY DURING AN EPIDEMIIC.
northern watch
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The Wall Street JournalVerified account @WSJ 55m55 minutes ago
Union officials at two major General Motors factories in the U.S. are warning that parts shortages resulting from the coronavirus outbreak in China could disrupt production
Union officials at two major General Motors factories in the U.S. are warning that parts shortages resulting from the coronavirus outbreak in China could disrupt production
Doomer Doug
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sheesh, now I posted four of them. I amaze myself computer wise. I am running three shot, plus some slugs, and some target rounds and some upland game rounds if I ever go hunting with my brother over in Kennewick someday. Clay target shoot perhaps, or maybe just hunt some antifa types who beat up some "right wing fascists" last Sunday!!>
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
BEWARE of eating or making “fancy/cute food” during an epidemic
The Japanese housewife and (few) other cultures, except pretentious hosts, overly solicitous mommies, haute cuisine chefs and people making “Bento lunch boxes” and other people TRYING to decorate, garnish, arrange, or “present” a “more appetizing,” cute, or beautiful plate of food WILL UNWITTINGLY CONTAMINATE THAT FOOD WITH “edible decorations” placed with hands that may have been washed when they STARTED cooking an hour ago, but have since been LOADED WITH BACTERIA AND VIRUSES from (during food prep) touching the seldom washed salt shaker, the computer keyboard, the seldom washed kitchen sink faucet handles, the TV remote, the stove burner knobs, the refrigerator/or oven door handle, moving the step-stool or back of the kitchen chair, touching the cupboard door, pulling out a drawer while cooking, answering the phone/cell phone while cooking, coughing, sneezing, touching one’s face or hair while cooking. SERVE HOT FOOD HOT without garnishes or manually placed “decorations”.
.
Don’t EAT food served like that, Don’t Make food like that, ESPECIALLY DURING AN EPIDEMIC.
AVoid touching or using a restaurant’s common, shared ketchup bottle/ or mustard,salt and pepper, syrup, soy or steak sauce, etc.
The Japanese housewife and (few) other cultures, except pretentious hosts, overly solicitous mommies, haute cuisine chefs and people making “Bento lunch boxes” and other people TRYING to decorate, garnish, arrange, or “present” a “more appetizing,” cute, or beautiful plate of food WILL UNWITTINGLY CONTAMINATE THAT FOOD WITH “edible decorations” placed with hands that may have been washed when they STARTED cooking an hour ago, but have since been LOADED WITH BACTERIA AND VIRUSES from (during food prep) touching the seldom washed salt shaker, the computer keyboard, the seldom washed kitchen sink faucet handles, the TV remote, the stove burner knobs, the refrigerator/or oven door handle, moving the step-stool or back of the kitchen chair, touching the cupboard door, pulling out a drawer while cooking, answering the phone/cell phone while cooking, coughing, sneezing, touching one’s face or hair while cooking. SERVE HOT FOOD HOT without garnishes or manually placed “decorations”.
.
Don’t EAT food served like that, Don’t Make food like that, ESPECIALLY DURING AN EPIDEMIC.
AVoid touching or using a restaurant’s common, shared ketchup bottle/ or mustard,salt and pepper, syrup, soy or steak sauce, etc.
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Mark D
Now running for Emperor.
Agricultural equipment isn't being maintained, any possible harvests (it's Winter) probably aren't happening, VERY little is being shipped to distributors, we have already been hearing about farmed animals dying, warehouses are probably close to empty, and shipments to markets are likely starting to get very sparse... And, some farmers are probably dying too.
And, all of that is being overseen by the CCP, so as usual, Communism and Central Planning is doing it's predictably disastrous job of making life less efficient.
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Hfcomms
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Source several cheap pulse oximeters and enough batteries. They can give you a heads up on your O2 saturation so you can tell if the infection is effecting your lung function and how badly. That way if you have an O2 concentrator your not flying in the dark. I have several of these and they are only $12 a piece.
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20Gauge
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So open one of the closed factories and get things going.... the parts you are getting are not that hard to tool up for...
20Gauge
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We use bird shot for practice and maaaybeeee for a few other things........not so legal.....
Hfcomms
EN66iq
If your prepared you don't need to panic even though deep concern can look like it to others. This is what panic looks like if your not prepared.
Or this.
This is why we prep.
Doomer Doug
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It will be the trigger moment when the lot of them, Sheeple, economists, politicians, medical types, etc. Finally figure out the Chimese people ain,t going back to work at their factories no matter what junior emperor does to them
Today is the 14th and I nailed it in terms of the NEW REALITY China will not be making stuff for weeks/months into the future and once the Sheeple figure that out say by February 29th, KABOOM!!!!
Today is the 14th and I nailed it in terms of the NEW REALITY China will not be making stuff for weeks/months into the future and once the Sheeple figure that out say by February 29th, KABOOM!!!!
Doomer Doug
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I will tell you what I think true panic is. In 1960, when I was like 6 years old, my Dad took.me to see a Jimmy Stewart movie called "The Mountain Road." It had a scene where one of the USArmy soldiers tried to feed some starving Chinese peasants and the peasants rioted and killed him. I NEVER FORGOT THAT MOVIE SCENE
20Gauge
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If your prepared you don't need to panic even though deep concern can look like it to others. This is what panic looks like if your not prepared.
Heck this is what Walmart looks like on a Friday night after the EBT hits the cards....
20Gauge
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i never say that one, but I have seen plenty that gave me the same result!
Allotrope
Inactive
Opinion:
Xi and the other party officials are worried about losing the “Mandate of Heaven” but as they are highly atheistic, this is just cultural speak for the confidence of the people. It is much the same as the US having “In God We Trust” on the money, something few in government believe but useful to shape public opinion.
If China, and Asia generally, fails economically, or breaks up into new divisions, or just looses 10% of its population, then there may be a great geopolitical rearrangement that may include parts of the Middle East and lead to conflicts and wars. Personally, I will watch Italy, Greece, Turkey, and Iran in the coming months as indicators for possible changes. I really do not expect massive depopulation directly from the virus but the secondary effects (industrial and medical shortages, starvation, lack of foreign aid, psychological and monetary depression) may result in many more deaths than the infection and the beginning of change and international instability.
Hopefully, this is just a warning - wake up call and not the beginning of the main event. An increasing number are beginning to take notice of the future potentialities and it could turn into a wild ride. Having a guess of what to look for and expect is easy, when is not.
Xi and the other party officials are worried about losing the “Mandate of Heaven” but as they are highly atheistic, this is just cultural speak for the confidence of the people. It is much the same as the US having “In God We Trust” on the money, something few in government believe but useful to shape public opinion.
If China, and Asia generally, fails economically, or breaks up into new divisions, or just looses 10% of its population, then there may be a great geopolitical rearrangement that may include parts of the Middle East and lead to conflicts and wars. Personally, I will watch Italy, Greece, Turkey, and Iran in the coming months as indicators for possible changes. I really do not expect massive depopulation directly from the virus but the secondary effects (industrial and medical shortages, starvation, lack of foreign aid, psychological and monetary depression) may result in many more deaths than the infection and the beginning of change and international instability.
Hopefully, this is just a warning - wake up call and not the beginning of the main event. An increasing number are beginning to take notice of the future potentialities and it could turn into a wild ride. Having a guess of what to look for and expect is easy, when is not.
northern watch
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20Gauge
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I don't care if they make or not.... when will they tell everyone the ships have stopped.....
Doomer Doug
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You should all realize that on many cases here in CONUS you can't just "start the factory" because you are lucky to have only a factory building shell. Everything, like the machines has been stripped down to bare wall and floor. WE NONLONGERVHAVE THE PHYSICAL INDUSTRIAL BASE ANY LONGER.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Eight planes locked down at Heathrow Airport over coronavirus fears
Coronavirus fears sparked a lockdown of eight planes Friday morning at Heathrow Airport — including a flight from California — after passengers complained they were suffering from symptoms, according to new reports.
Passengers on United Airlines Flight 901 from San Francisco were told by the captain to stay put after landing because someone on board might be infected, the Daily Mail reported.
British passenger Andy West told the outlet the captain said they might not move for a while because “seven other planes” had suspected cases as well.
Further details involving the other aircraft are unknown. Heathrow Airport declined to comment but is believed to be running as normal with all runways open, the Mail reports.
Staff on the morning United Airlines flight — none of whom were wearing protective gear — brought the passenger to the back of the plane and waited for health officials to arrive in hazmat suits, West said. Everyone was allowed off the flight about half an hour later.
“I think the passenger was taken right to the back of the plane, so I didn’t get to see what they looked like,” West said. “We were told to stay [seated] until authorities came on board, and [the captain] said that seven other flights had landed and had a similar situation.”
“I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t worried,” he added. “My mind started to race.”
Passenger Neerag Malhotra tweeted that passengers were stuck “waiting for doctor confirmation” and that the affected person was “isolated at the back of the plane.”
United Airlines confirmed that someone was not feeling well on the plane but did not elaborate.
“Our team at London Heathrow Airport is providing assistance related to United flight 901 (San Francisco-London Heathrow) today, following reports of an individual becoming unwell onboard,” the airline said in a statement to multiple outlets. “The safety of our customers and employees is our highest priority and we continue to work closely with local authorities.”
It’s unclear what happened to the passenger who complained of possible symptoms, or where the person traveled from.
The airport, as well as Public Health England, has so far declined to comment, according to local reports.
Meanwhile, British Member of Parliament Alex Sobel tweeted Friday that he would be tested for coronavirus after attending the UK Bus Summit with someone confirmed to have the infection — though he has not exhibited any symptoms himself.
“I attended the UK bus summit on the 6th Feb, where there was an attendee who has tested positive for coronavirus,” he wrote. “Whilst I have been informed that I am at very low risk, I have called 111 to be formally assessed.”
His engagements have been canceled until Thursday, he said.
nypost.com
Coronavirus fears sparked a lockdown of eight planes Friday morning at Heathrow Airport — including a flight from California — after passengers complained they were suffering from symptoms, according to new reports.
Passengers on United Airlines Flight 901 from San Francisco were told by the captain to stay put after landing because someone on board might be infected, the Daily Mail reported.
British passenger Andy West told the outlet the captain said they might not move for a while because “seven other planes” had suspected cases as well.
Further details involving the other aircraft are unknown. Heathrow Airport declined to comment but is believed to be running as normal with all runways open, the Mail reports.
Staff on the morning United Airlines flight — none of whom were wearing protective gear — brought the passenger to the back of the plane and waited for health officials to arrive in hazmat suits, West said. Everyone was allowed off the flight about half an hour later.
“I think the passenger was taken right to the back of the plane, so I didn’t get to see what they looked like,” West said. “We were told to stay [seated] until authorities came on board, and [the captain] said that seven other flights had landed and had a similar situation.”
“I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t worried,” he added. “My mind started to race.”
Passenger Neerag Malhotra tweeted that passengers were stuck “waiting for doctor confirmation” and that the affected person was “isolated at the back of the plane.”
United Airlines confirmed that someone was not feeling well on the plane but did not elaborate.
“Our team at London Heathrow Airport is providing assistance related to United flight 901 (San Francisco-London Heathrow) today, following reports of an individual becoming unwell onboard,” the airline said in a statement to multiple outlets. “The safety of our customers and employees is our highest priority and we continue to work closely with local authorities.”
It’s unclear what happened to the passenger who complained of possible symptoms, or where the person traveled from.
The airport, as well as Public Health England, has so far declined to comment, according to local reports.
Meanwhile, British Member of Parliament Alex Sobel tweeted Friday that he would be tested for coronavirus after attending the UK Bus Summit with someone confirmed to have the infection — though he has not exhibited any symptoms himself.
“I attended the UK bus summit on the 6th Feb, where there was an attendee who has tested positive for coronavirus,” he wrote. “Whilst I have been informed that I am at very low risk, I have called 111 to be formally assessed.”
His engagements have been canceled until Thursday, he said.
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DazedandConfused
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20Gauge
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