bw
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True, but we have many on watch here. We tend to error-check by consensus.
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True, but we have many on watch here. We tend to error-check by consensus.
Blacknarwhal
Let's Go Brandon!
Or is this indeed a disease that's targeted toward Asians? I remember reading about one American in Tokyo who got coronavirus. Her symptoms were described as "mild to nonexistent." So far we're talking about a handful of cases outside of the Asian continent. Either "THEY" are doing such an incredible job of suppressing news that half the world's got it and we don't even know, or there's nothing there TO suppress.
forpetesake
Senior Member
Blue lady, it will be months before we will learn the real RO, CFR, latency period, etc of this virus. No one has any proof of anything at this point. We're not trying to spread "rumors", we are all trying to put forward our best guess with the information available to us so that we may prepare our families. That's what this thread is for. Let's not attack each other.
EMICT
Veteran Member
yellowlabz
Veteran Member
Exactly!!
bcingu
Senior Member
I don't believe the Chinese have the capabilities to conduct this kind of operation either. For instance, just in the city of Wuhan with a population of 11 million. The supplies. equipment and manpower necessary to locate, transport, and deliver even minimal needs for the quarantined would be visibly evident all over the city. You mean to tell me that the same government that can't sort and distribute donated medical supplies (which sit at the docks) somehow mysteriously performs this task? Not only in Wuhan but in multiple cities (with populations in the millions) without any videos, pictures or stories in the news as to their great humanitarian efforts?
The Berlin airlift feeding only a fraction of the people required round the clock planes and support.
don't spend all your time here fretting about what's coming down the pike
For years my mantra regarding self defense has been 'mindset skillset toolset.' Research and analysis of information and teaching R&A in order to produce actionable intelligence was my job for the last half of my working career, and became essentially an addiction.
So I do what I do.
But balance is still important in life in all things. Obsession is not balance.
the problem with this pandemic is "cognitive dissonance"
The problem with this pandemic is liars in positions of power and responsibility. And the pandemic itself is a problem of yet to be determined magnitude for the world at large.
I mentioned way back when: when the numbers (input) are crap, the output calculated/projected from those numbers are going to be crap as well.
GIGO, same as it ever was. (Garbage in, garbage out)
Take care of you and yours. No one is coming to the rescue if this goes pear ahaped. Many thanks to those here who are doing their best to sort out vital information and keep the flow going.
For years my mantra regarding self defense has been 'mindset skillset toolset.' Research and analysis of information and teaching R&A in order to produce actionable intelligence was my job for the last half of my working career, and became essentially an addiction.
So I do what I do.
But balance is still important in life in all things. Obsession is not balance.
the problem with this pandemic is "cognitive dissonance"
The problem with this pandemic is liars in positions of power and responsibility. And the pandemic itself is a problem of yet to be determined magnitude for the world at large.
I mentioned way back when: when the numbers (input) are crap, the output calculated/projected from those numbers are going to be crap as well.
GIGO, same as it ever was. (Garbage in, garbage out)
Take care of you and yours. No one is coming to the rescue if this goes pear ahaped. Many thanks to those here who are doing their best to sort out vital information and keep the flow going.
EMICT
Veteran Member
When a patient comes in with 'flu' like symptoms, they are tested for the flu (which is a quick process). If it comes back positive then they are treated appropriately. It doesn't really matter whether they have the coronavirus or not as the treatment modality (supportive) is basically the same. There is no magic pill for either the flu or the coronavirus. If there were, we wouldn't have the 12,000 deaths from the flu on a yearly basis.
It's when the flu test is negative and the patient has flu like symptoms that further investigation is necessary. Think how much healthier our society would be if we approached the flu like we are approaching the coronavirus... mandatory isolation?
Mark D
Now running for Emperor.
Sigh… I went grocery shopping late last night (lower foot traffic equals lower microbial load, right?) and had a couple of teachable moments regarding the potential for an epidemic:
1) I decided to wear a pair of regular off-white nitrile gloves while out and about, so I could perform hygiene without destroying my skin. Off to Costco I went. I grabbed the usual bi-weekly load of stuff, managed to find a short check-out line, and thought I was out of there without incident. Until… The checker handed my card back to me and I noticed the color of my palms and fingers: they had a more-than-just faint yellow tinge to them. The kind of yellow, with a hint of brown, that one would associate with sinus infections and bile – a “Human” yellow. My left hand wasn’t remotely as stained, as I had been holding my phone (grocery list) with it from pretty much the moment I entered. The right hand was steering and manipulating items.
It’s Costco: all the items I grabbed were enclosed in plastic, so it wasn’t a product “bleeding” onto the glove. I’m guessing it was the cart handle, and the various freezer handles. YUCK. When I got out to the car, I grabbed a couple of Lysol wipes and “washed” my hands with them, methodically. The gunk came off on the wipes. YUCK. I “washed” again… That disinfectant smell is glorious.
TEACHABLE MOMENT: The public is NASTY. I don’t know how many years of collected biofilm resides on those carts, and handles, but YUCK, that was disgusting. Regardless of the average level of education (this is Tech country), your fellow citizens are NASTY, and they will merrily embark upon a jihad of mindless contamination and infection.
2) I also saw a fat blue-haired Millennial woman with her Soy Boy in tow, hacking-up her lungs with directionless abandon - up one aisle and down another. A deep, muddy, body-wrenching cough... Thanks lady. The rest of us are so glad you decided to share your nasty-ass lung plague with the rest of society. You get a gold star. As I left, I could hear her coughing from across the store.
TEACHABLE MOMENT: Americans will NOT wear masks until it is too late, if at all. And, they will continue to venture out into public for as long as they are able to shuffle along. Even if they are minutes away from dropping dead, there are simply too many Twinkies left to eat, and they need their comfort food.
NOT an encouraging night.
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See my post (#87091) in the big WAR thread. In that post I simply extract a paragraph from another post in that thread that I think explains the whole Asian issue. it has to do with the ACE2 receptor site.
San Antonio (Lackland AFB case) officials:
"We may have other cases. I want to prepare you for that."--Dr. McCliston PHS
"we are prepared"--Texas Dept State Health Services
PHS is stating droplet spread, discounting airborne.
No CDC guidance to extend quarantine for those who were with the positive patient.
PHS discounting ability to transmit disease asymptomatically.
Timeline....Fever Feb 11, sample shipped to CDC, result 6pm last night (24 hour turn around time).
"We may have other cases. I want to prepare you for that."--Dr. McCliston PHS
"we are prepared"--Texas Dept State Health Services
PHS is stating droplet spread, discounting airborne.
No CDC guidance to extend quarantine for those who were with the positive patient.
PHS discounting ability to transmit disease asymptomatically.
Timeline....Fever Feb 11, sample shipped to CDC, result 6pm last night (24 hour turn around time).
Question: Is it possible to have Type A/B "regular" flu and also have COVID-19? In that case, the test for the regular flu is simple. It tests positive and the person is never tested for COVID-19. Dangerous. I just don't know if the two can be present at the same time.
adgal
Veteran Member
I was just listening too - and thinking "why are you lying to the people?"
Freeholder
This too shall pass.
There is one thing we might be able to figure out (roughly). What percentage of people who have been returned and are in quarantine are testing positive? We probably won’t know that figure with any certainty for another week or so, but when we have it, we might be able to make a stab at how many non-quarantined cases could have come in, since we know roughly how many people have come in from the infected parts of China before flights shut down. If those people were infected at roughly the same rate, it would give us some idea of how many cases we were initially seeded with. From there, it should be possible to extrapolate.
Kathleen
Kathleen
Blacknarwhal
Let's Go Brandon!
Huh. You know, that's a pretty good explanation. That and I like it because it means I'm a lot less likely to die if I go grocery shopping.
It also does a nice job explaining things like that woman in Japan; without the necessary receptors we may be less susceptible. Didn't I once hear that the cold is a coronavirus?
Yes. Co-infection is possible.
The reality from ERs that I have seen is that flu symptoms are treated on a algorhythm. If you have symptoms, get a flu swap. If positive and stable, give tamiflu and discharge. If negative, recommend supportive care and give tamiflu so they feel like they get their moneys worth and discharge.
There are 4 "types" of human coronaviruses and yes, they can be causes of the "common cold" along with adenoviruses and rhinoviruses.
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
Heck it could be 15 for all I know. But usually they keep 30 days on the water... that still needs to be cleared out. They also early shipped some due to the new year holiday, they my best guess of 60 days.....
vector7
Dot Collector
OHHH CRAP. Wow this is real. I thought it was a fake when I saw it previously
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Greybeard7
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I've had a nagging thought for a couple of days.
When they first reported those people in the apartment building that got it from a "leaking pipe".
With so many on lock down, and practically empty streets, how many didn't bother to go to a hospital and died in their home? Disease, dehydration, starvation, or any other medical cause.
When they start checking out those huge apartment buildings how many dead will they find?
We may never know. But I would bet the military intelligence satellites will know how many trucks are transporting loads to and from the cities, and where they are delivering those loads.
I REALLY hope I'm wrong about this. And, it is just wild speculation at this point.
When they first reported those people in the apartment building that got it from a "leaking pipe".
With so many on lock down, and practically empty streets, how many didn't bother to go to a hospital and died in their home? Disease, dehydration, starvation, or any other medical cause.
When they start checking out those huge apartment buildings how many dead will they find?
We may never know. But I would bet the military intelligence satellites will know how many trucks are transporting loads to and from the cities, and where they are delivering those loads.
I REALLY hope I'm wrong about this. And, it is just wild speculation at this point.
Blacknarwhal
Let's Go Brandon!
I thought I'd heard that was the case, yeah. Does that give us maybe some extra immunity the Asian population wouldn't have?
samus79
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You’re not the only one who is starting to think this way, see my post 10,357 in this thread:
EMICT
Veteran Member
We need to quit thinking about this virus as being spread linear in nature. It could sweep through an area then return dependent on how the population is moving about and the rate of mutation.
That's why hunkering down for 15, 30, 90, 120 days is somewhat folly. Preventing the spread (stay home if ill) and taking appropriate measures to limit one's possible contamination (PPE & sanitation) is the best way survive this ordeal.
This is a process, not an event.
That's why hunkering down for 15, 30, 90, 120 days is somewhat folly. Preventing the spread (stay home if ill) and taking appropriate measures to limit one's possible contamination (PPE & sanitation) is the best way survive this ordeal.
This is a process, not an event.
Probably not. They are too different antigenically. I do not know, but I do not believe the "cold" coronaviruses use the ACE2 receptor for cell entry.
It will still be here and will be serious. Those with underlying heart disease, lung problems, kidney problems will all be hit harder. Smokers will have a risk level that will likely be much higher because of "up-regulation" of the ACE2 receptors as well as higher rates of underlying cardiovascular disesease. If you smoke. stop.
Thanks for that information.
Freeholder
This too shall pass.
I’m doing what I can to treat illness at home, should it become necessary, but my main concerns are 1. Shortages of necessary items - we were totally stupid to allow so much of our manufacturing to be sent overseas, something both my ex and I commented on when that really started to be a thing. But what could we do about it? Nothing.
And 2. The left-wing globalists using this crisis to make political hay. I think that may actually be scarier than any of the other possibilities, and a whole lot more certain.
Kathleen
Mark D
Now running for Emperor.
Perhaps this is why:
Starts at line 202.
(1) The conclusion of this study is a true reflection of the characteristics of 2019-nCoV itself; (2) In the early stage of 2019-nCoV infection, due to the strong variability and good concealment of the virus, it cannot be quickly recognized by the body; (3) 2019-nCoV releases certain special factors after entering the body and interferes with the body's initiation of a specific immune response.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.10.20021832v1.full.pdf
I guess we will see if the West gets around to reaching the same conclusion (publicly). Gotta wonder if they haven't already; hence the downplay routine.
100% agree. You can forget about avoiding this virus. You will be exposed to it regardless of what measures you take. That said, you can lessen your exposure to it.
It is a long race. If you are at risk for serious complications--Cardiovascular/pulmonary/older you should isolate as much as possible. The goal should not be to completely avoid the virus (that isn't feasible) but rather to delay exposure, possible infection, and need for more intense medical care.
The largest wave will be made up by those who are concerned about if the Oscars were diverse enough or if Harry and Meghan will continue to be spurned by the royal family. They pay no attention to the "real" world and will be overrun by it. Like EMICT, I will have more than my hands full trying to keep them alive over the next several months. You DO NOT want to be in that first cohort. If you can prevent infection for a few months we will hopefull have treatment, supply chains somewhat function, etc and will have a much better possibilty of trying to help YOU.
Just be smart. Be careful. Wash your hands even why you are at home. Don't touch your face. Remember, there will be people who are perfectly self isolated for the long haul that could fall and break a hip and will have to be brought into the hospital where the sick are rampant.
bw
Fringe Ranger
Of course they can both be present. Having the flu does not constitute a protective cloak against other bugs.
I wonder if this has anything to do with where the rumors of all the food being bought by "government" sources have come from. And that is why entire categories of canned food being "unavailable" in Kroger, Walmart, etc. (In addition to the simple fact that the harvest this year was just horrible for lots of products - see the Grand Solar Minimum thread.) Plus very recent rumors that gov't-types have been buying tons of freeze-dried food. Maybe someone gamed this out and is planning on at least trying to feed the populace. ((Let me insert my own "yeah right"
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vector7
Dot Collector
Communists will never let a crisis go to waste.
Saul Alinsky”s Doctrine: 8 steps to Topple a Nation and Create a Socialist State
1) Healthcare – Control healthcare and you control the people.
2) Poverty – Increase the poverty level as high as possible; poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
3) Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes and this will produce more poverty.
4) Gun control – Remove people’s ability to defend themselves from the government. That way you are able to create a police state.
5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of people’s lives (food, housing and income).
6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to; take control of what children learn in school.
7) Religion – Remove the belief in God from the government and schools.
8) Class warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take from (tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.
Does any of this sound familiar?
Nancy in OK
Senior Member
Has anyone heard from Burrito?
mudlogger
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Is there a source for the CDC/Congress info? I have a medical friend asking. Thanks.
SouthernBreeze
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Yeah, I'd like confirmation of that, too.
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2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)
Interim Guidance for Businesses and Employers to Plan and Respond to 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV), February 2020
This interim guidance is based on what is currently known about the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) will update this interim guidance as needed and as additional information becomes available.
CDC is working across the Department of Health and Human Services and across the U.S. government in the public health response to 2019-nCoV. Much is unknown about how the 2019-nCoV spreads. Current knowledge is largely based on what is known about similar coronaviruses.
CDC Industry Guidance
Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that are common in humans and many different species of animals, including camels, cattle, cats, and bats. Rarely, animal coronaviruses can infect people and then spread between people, such as with MERS and SARS. 2019-nCoV is spreading person-to-person in China and some limited person-to-person transmission has been reported in countries outside China, including the United States. However, respiratory illnesses like seasonal influenza, are currently widespread in many US communities.
The following interim guidance may help prevent workplace exposures to acute respiratory illnesses, including nCoV, in non-healthcare settings. The guidance also provides planning considerations if there are more widespread, community outbreaks of 2019-nCoV.
To prevent stigma and discrimination in the workplace, use only the guidance described below to determine risk of nCoV infection. Do not make determinations of risk based on race or country of origin, and be sure to maintain confidentiality of people with confirmed coronavirus infection. There is much more to learn about the transmissibility, severity, and other features of 2019-nCoV and investigations are ongoing. Updates are available on CDC’s web page at www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV.
Recommended strategies for employers to use now:
The severity of illness or how many people will fall ill from 2019-nCoV is unknown at this time. If there is evidence of a 2019-nCoV outbreak in the U.S., employers should plan to be able to respond in a flexible way to varying levels of severity and be prepared to refine their business response plans as needed. For the general American public, such as workers in non-healthcare settings and where it is unlikely that work tasks create an increased risk of exposures to 2019-nCoV, the immediate health risk from 2019-nCoV is considered low. The CDC and its partners will continue to monitor national and international data on the severity of illness caused by 2019-nCoV, will disseminate the results of these ongoing surveillance assessments, and will make additional recommendations as needed.
Planning Considerations
All employers need to consider how best to decrease the spread of acute respiratory illness and lower the impact of 2019-nCoV in their workplace in the event of an outbreak in the US. They should identify and communicate their objectives, which may include one or more of the following: (a) reducing transmission among staff, (b) protecting people who are at higher risk for adverse health complications, (c) maintaining business operations, and (d) minimizing adverse effects on other entities in their supply chains. Some of the key considerations when making decisions on appropriate responses are:
All employers should be ready to implement strategies to protect their workforce from 2019-nCoV while ensuring continuity of operations. During a 2019-nCoV outbreak, all sick employees should stay home and away from the workplace, respiratory etiquette and hand hygiene should be encouraged, and routine cleaning of commonly touched surfaces should be performed regularly.
Employers should:
CDC Guidance
2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)
Interim Guidance for Businesses and Employers to Plan and Respond to 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV), February 2020
This interim guidance is based on what is currently known about the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) will update this interim guidance as needed and as additional information becomes available.
CDC is working across the Department of Health and Human Services and across the U.S. government in the public health response to 2019-nCoV. Much is unknown about how the 2019-nCoV spreads. Current knowledge is largely based on what is known about similar coronaviruses.
CDC Industry Guidance
Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that are common in humans and many different species of animals, including camels, cattle, cats, and bats. Rarely, animal coronaviruses can infect people and then spread between people, such as with MERS and SARS. 2019-nCoV is spreading person-to-person in China and some limited person-to-person transmission has been reported in countries outside China, including the United States. However, respiratory illnesses like seasonal influenza, are currently widespread in many US communities.
The following interim guidance may help prevent workplace exposures to acute respiratory illnesses, including nCoV, in non-healthcare settings. The guidance also provides planning considerations if there are more widespread, community outbreaks of 2019-nCoV.
To prevent stigma and discrimination in the workplace, use only the guidance described below to determine risk of nCoV infection. Do not make determinations of risk based on race or country of origin, and be sure to maintain confidentiality of people with confirmed coronavirus infection. There is much more to learn about the transmissibility, severity, and other features of 2019-nCoV and investigations are ongoing. Updates are available on CDC’s web page at www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV.
Recommended strategies for employers to use now:
- Actively encourage sick employees to stay home:
- Employees who have symptoms of acute respiratory illness are recommended to stay home and not come to work until they are free of fever (100.4° F [37.8° C] or greater using an oral thermometer), signs of a fever, and any other symptoms for at least 24 hours, without the use of fever-reducing or other symptom-altering medicines (e.g. cough suppressants). Employees should notify their supervisor and stay home if they are sick.
- Ensure that your sick leave policies are flexible and consistent with public health guidance and that employees are aware of these policies.
- Talk with companies that provide your business with contract or temporary employees about the importance of sick employees staying home and encourage them to develop non-punitive leave policies.
- Do not require a healthcare provider’s note for employees who are sick with acute respiratory illness to validate their illness or to return to work, as healthcare provider offices and medical facilities may be extremely busy and not able to provide such documentation in a timely way.
- Employers should maintain flexible policies that permit employees to stay home to care for a sick family member. Employers should be aware that more employees may need to stay at home to care for sick children or other sick family members than is usual.
- Separate sick employees:
- CDC recommends that employees who appear to have acute respiratory illness symptoms (i.e. cough, shortness of breath) upon arrival to work or become sick during the day should be separated from other employees and be sent home immediately. Sick employees should cover their noses and mouths with a tissue when coughing or sneezing (or an elbow or shoulder if no tissue is available).
- Emphasize staying home when sick, respiratory etiquette and hand hygiene by all employees:
- Place posters that encourage staying home when sick, cough and sneeze etiquette, and hand hygiene at the entrance to your workplace and in other workplace areas where they are likely to be seen.
- Provide tissues and no-touch disposal receptacles for use by employees.
- Instruct employees to clean their hands often with an alcohol-based hand sanitizer that contains at least 60-95% alcohol, or wash their hands with soap and water for at least 20 seconds. Soap and water should be used preferentially if hands are visibly dirty.
- Provide soap and water and alcohol-based hand rubs in the workplace. Ensure that adequate supplies are maintained. Place hand rubs in multiple locations or in conference rooms to encourage hand hygiene.
- Visit the coughing and sneezing etiquette and clean hands webpage for more information.
- Perform routine environmental cleaning:
- Routinely clean all frequently touched surfaces in the workplace, such as workstations, countertops, and doorknobs. Use the cleaning agents that are usually used in these areas and follow the directions on the label.
- No additional disinfection beyond routine cleaning is recommended at this time.
- Provide disposable wipes so that commonly used surfaces (for example, doorknobs, keyboards, remote controls, desks) can be wiped down by employees before each use.
- Advise employees before traveling to take certain steps:
- Check the CDC’s Traveler’s Health Notices for the latest guidance and recommendations for each country to which you will travel. Specific travel information for travelers going to and returning from China, and information for aircrew, can be found at on the CDC website.
- Advise employees to check themselves for symptoms of acute respiratory illness before starting travel and notify their supervisor and stay home if they are sick.
- Ensure employees who become sick while traveling or on temporary assignment understand that they should notify their supervisor and should promptly call a healthcare provider for advice if needed.
- If outside the United States, sick employees should follow your company’s policy for obtaining medical care or contact a healthcare provider or overseas medical assistance company to assist them with finding an appropriate healthcare provider in that country. A U.S. consular officer can help locate healthcare services. However, U.S. embassies, consulates, and military facilities do not have the legal authority, capability, and resources to evacuate or give medicines, vaccines, or medical care to private U.S. citizens overseas.
- Additional Measures in Response to Currently Occurring Sporadic Importations of the 2019-nCoV:
- Employees who are well but who have a sick family member at home with 2019-nCoV should notify their supervisor and refer to CDC guidance for how to conduct a risk assessment of their potential exposure.
- If an employee is confirmed to have 2019-nCov infection, employers should inform fellow employees of their possible exposure to 2019-nCoV in the workplace but maintain confidentiality as required by the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). Employees exposed to a co-worker with confirmed 2019-nCoV should refer to CDC guidance for how to conduct a risk assessment of their potential exposure.
The severity of illness or how many people will fall ill from 2019-nCoV is unknown at this time. If there is evidence of a 2019-nCoV outbreak in the U.S., employers should plan to be able to respond in a flexible way to varying levels of severity and be prepared to refine their business response plans as needed. For the general American public, such as workers in non-healthcare settings and where it is unlikely that work tasks create an increased risk of exposures to 2019-nCoV, the immediate health risk from 2019-nCoV is considered low. The CDC and its partners will continue to monitor national and international data on the severity of illness caused by 2019-nCoV, will disseminate the results of these ongoing surveillance assessments, and will make additional recommendations as needed.
Planning Considerations
All employers need to consider how best to decrease the spread of acute respiratory illness and lower the impact of 2019-nCoV in their workplace in the event of an outbreak in the US. They should identify and communicate their objectives, which may include one or more of the following: (a) reducing transmission among staff, (b) protecting people who are at higher risk for adverse health complications, (c) maintaining business operations, and (d) minimizing adverse effects on other entities in their supply chains. Some of the key considerations when making decisions on appropriate responses are:
- Disease severity (i.e., number of people who are sick, hospitalization and death rates) in the community where the business is located;
- Impact of disease on employees that are vulnerable and may be at higher risk for 2019-nCoV adverse health complications. Inform employees that some people may be at higher risk for severe illness, such as older adults and those with chronic medical conditions.
- Prepare for possible increased numbers of employee absences due to illness in employees and their family members, dismissals of early childhood programs and K-12 schools due to high levels of absenteeism or illness:
- Employers should plan to monitor and respond to absenteeism at the workplace. Implement plans to continue your essential business functions in case you experience higher than usual absenteeism.
- Cross-train personnel to perform essential functions so that the workplace is able to operate even if key staff members are absent.
- Assess your essential functions and the reliance that others and the community have on your services or products. Be prepared to change your business practices if needed to maintain critical operations (e.g., identify alternative suppliers, prioritize customers, or temporarily suspend some of your operations if needed).
- Employers with more than one business location are encouraged to provide local managers with the authority to take appropriate actions outlined in their business infectious disease outbreak response plan based on the condition in each locality.
- Coordination with stateexternal icon and localexternal icon health officials is strongly encouraged for all businesses so that timely and accurate information can guide appropriate responses in each location where their operations reside. Since the intensity of an outbreak may differ according to geographic location, local health officials will be issuing guidance specific to their communities.
All employers should be ready to implement strategies to protect their workforce from 2019-nCoV while ensuring continuity of operations. During a 2019-nCoV outbreak, all sick employees should stay home and away from the workplace, respiratory etiquette and hand hygiene should be encouraged, and routine cleaning of commonly touched surfaces should be performed regularly.
Employers should:
- Ensure the plan is flexible and involve your employees in developing and reviewing your plan.
- Conduct a focused discussion or exercise using your plan, to find out ahead of time whether the plan has gaps or problems that need to be corrected.
- Share your plan with employees and explain what human resources policies, workplace and leave flexibilities, and pay and benefits will be available to them.
- Share best practices with other businesses in your communities (especially those in your supply chain), chambers of commerce, and associations to improve community response efforts.
- Identify possible work-related exposure and health risks to your employees. OSHA has more information on how to protect workers from potential exposuresexternal icon to 2019-nCoV.
- Review human resources policies to make sure that policies and practices are consistent with public health recommendations and are consistent with existing state and federal workplace laws (for more information on employer responsibilities, visit the Department of Labor’sexternal icon and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission’sexternal icon websites).
- Explore whether you can establish policies and practices, such as flexible worksites (e.g., telecommuting) and flexible work hours (e.g., staggered shifts), to increase the physical distance among employees and between employees and others if state and local health authorities recommend the use of social distancing strategies. For employees who are able to telework, supervisors should encourage employees to telework instead of coming into the workplace until symptoms are completely resolved. Ensure that you have the information technology and infrastructure needed to support multiple employees who may be able to work from home.
- Identify essential business functions, essential jobs or roles, and critical elements within your supply chains (e.g., raw materials, suppliers, subcontractor services/products, and logistics) required to maintain business operations. Plan for how your business will operate if there is increasing absenteeism or these supply chains are interrupted.
- Set up authorities, triggers, and procedures for activating and terminating the company’s infectious disease outbreak response plan, altering business operations (e.g., possibly changing or closing operations in affected areas), and transferring business knowledge to key employees. Work closely with your local health officials to identify these triggers.
- Plan to minimize exposure between employees and also between employees and the public, if public health officials call for social distancing.
- Establish a process to communicate information to employees and business partners on your infectious disease outbreak response plans and latest 2019-nCoV information. Anticipate employee fear, anxiety, rumors, and misinformation, and plan communications accordingly.
- In some communities, early childhood programs and K-12 schools may be dismissed, particularly if 2019-nCoV worsens. Determine how you will operate if absenteeism spikes from increases in sick employees, those who stay home to care for sick family members, and those who must stay home to watch their children if dismissed from school. Businesses and other employers should prepare to institute flexible workplace and leave policies for these employees.
- Local conditions will influence the decisions that public health officials make regarding community-level strategies; employers should take the time now to learn about plans in place in each community where they have a business.
- If there is evidence of a 2019-nCoV outbreak in the US, consider canceling non-essential business travel to additional countries per travel guidance on the CDC website.
- Travel restrictions may be enacted by other countries which may limit the ability of employees to return home if they become sick while on travel status.
- Consider cancelling large work-related meetings or events.
- Engage stateexternal icon and localexternal icon health departments to confirm channels of communication and methods for dissemination of local outbreak information.
CDC Guidance
- 2019-nCoV Website
- What You Need to Know About 2019-nCoVpdf icon
- What to Do If You Are Sick With 2019-nCoVpdf icon
- Interim US Guidance for Risk Assessment and Public Health Management of Persons with Potential 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Exposure in Travel-associated or Community Settings
- Health Alert Network
- Travelers’ Health Website
- National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health’s Small Business International Travel Resource Travel Plannerpdf icon
- 2019 Novel Coronavirus Recommendations for Ships
There are always liars in positions of power. Global Cooling, Global Warming, Obamacare, The Flu shot.don't spend all your time here fretting about what's coming down the pike
For years my mantra regarding self defense has been 'mindset skillset toolset.' Research and analysis of information and teaching R&A in order to produce actionable intelligence was my job for the last half of my working career, and became essentially an addiction.
So I do what I do.
But balance is still important in life in all things. Obsession is not balance.
the problem with this pandemic is "cognitive dissonance"
The problem with this pandemic is liars in positions of power and responsibility. And the pandemic itself is a problem of yet to be determined magnitude for the world at large.
I mentioned way back when: when the numbers (input) are crap, the output calculated/projected from those numbers are going to be crap as well.
GIGO, same as it ever was. (Garbage in, garbage out)
Take care of you and yours. No one is coming to the rescue if this goes pear ahaped. Many thanks to those here who are doing their best to sort out vital information and keep the flow going.
China has a reason to lie about the virus. They have relaxed their political environment for a number of years and need something major to maintain political control.
China would also like to establish the idea that they are the "engine of the world" and you can't live without us so cancel this trade war and get rid of Trump.
The WHO has a reason to lie about the virus. They seek to expand the control of the "One World Government" through an global pandemic that regional governments can't control so get rid of Trump.
The CDC has a reason to lie about the virus. As part of our healthcare infrastructure, they want to expand nationalized healthcare so get rid of Trump.
What do you want to bet that a lot of people that had chosen to forego health insurance and having doubts about now?
Blacknarwhal
Let's Go Brandon!
Even CNBC is asking questions now.
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"Maybe This Was Man Made" - CNBC Questions Coronavirus Origins As ZeroHedge Remains Banned On Twitter
by Tyler Durden
Thu, 02/13/2020 - 12:10
In keeping with our storied history of presenting readers with plausible theories and allowing them to make their own decisions often times weeks, months or years in advance of the mainstream media figuring them out and/or having the courage to finally touch on them, we're not surprised to see some of the critical questions we raised about the coronavirus origins weeks ago finally bleed into the mainstream media this morning.
The idea of the coronavirus potentially being a man made virus was a question we raised several weeks ago in this post when we asked "Is This The Man Behind the Global Coronavirus Pandemic?". In that post, we asked questions about Zhou Peng, one of China's top virology and immunology experts who works at China's top-rated biohazard lab, the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
Wuhan Institute of Virology
But the idea of their ever-so-beloved government covering up something from them or not having their best interest in mind was so disturbing the to snowflakes at Twitter, they lashed out by banning Zero Hedge from their platform with little color around why they took such drastic action. Their ban followed a BuzzFeed article claiming we had "doxed" the scientist involved by asking questions and posting the same information listed publicly on his website.
The ban was so questionable, it sent shockwaves across the mainstream media, even making it as far as CBS National News, who stated: "The financial website Zero Hedge is now barred from Twitter after publishing an article relaying a conspiracy theory that a Chinese scientist might be to blame for the coronavirus outbreak."
But - as it often happens - the very same question that put us in our own social media "quarantine" simply can't be ignored. As we have found over the years, if it is an idea worthy of critical examination - or better yet, the truth - it often times can't be hidden, much to the chagrin of the government and/or beta male social media CEOs.
This morning, CNBC's Eunice Yoon did an interview with Joe Kernen on Squawk Box where she offered an update on-the-ground in China. Among the topics discussed with Kernen was the origins of the virus. Yoon admitted in her discussion with Kernen that there was a "theory" going around China that the virus could be man made.
We would like to ask @Jack, however, when we can expect CNBC's corresponding ban from Twitter for asking the very same questions we brought to the public weeks earlier, involving a situation where time is clearly of the essence.
You can watch the video of the interview here:
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ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com
"Maybe This Was Man Made" - CNBC Questions Coronavirus Origins As ZeroHedge Remains Banned On Twitter
by Tyler Durden
Thu, 02/13/2020 - 12:10
In keeping with our storied history of presenting readers with plausible theories and allowing them to make their own decisions often times weeks, months or years in advance of the mainstream media figuring them out and/or having the courage to finally touch on them, we're not surprised to see some of the critical questions we raised about the coronavirus origins weeks ago finally bleed into the mainstream media this morning.
The idea of the coronavirus potentially being a man made virus was a question we raised several weeks ago in this post when we asked "Is This The Man Behind the Global Coronavirus Pandemic?". In that post, we asked questions about Zhou Peng, one of China's top virology and immunology experts who works at China's top-rated biohazard lab, the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
Wuhan Institute of VirologyBut the idea of their ever-so-beloved government covering up something from them or not having their best interest in mind was so disturbing the to snowflakes at Twitter, they lashed out by banning Zero Hedge from their platform with little color around why they took such drastic action. Their ban followed a BuzzFeed article claiming we had "doxed" the scientist involved by asking questions and posting the same information listed publicly on his website.
The ban was so questionable, it sent shockwaves across the mainstream media, even making it as far as CBS National News, who stated: "The financial website Zero Hedge is now barred from Twitter after publishing an article relaying a conspiracy theory that a Chinese scientist might be to blame for the coronavirus outbreak."
But - as it often happens - the very same question that put us in our own social media "quarantine" simply can't be ignored. As we have found over the years, if it is an idea worthy of critical examination - or better yet, the truth - it often times can't be hidden, much to the chagrin of the government and/or beta male social media CEOs.
This morning, CNBC's Eunice Yoon did an interview with Joe Kernen on Squawk Box where she offered an update on-the-ground in China. Among the topics discussed with Kernen was the origins of the virus. Yoon admitted in her discussion with Kernen that there was a "theory" going around China that the virus could be man made.
She continues:
We must give credit to Yoon, who has been on the ground in China since the beginning of the outbreak and whose reporting has been relatively objective and doesn't appear (too much) to be pandering to the CCP or the World Health Organization's token narrative. Yoon also references back to this interview during which she really exposes the reality on the ground in China...
We would like to ask @Jack, however, when we can expect CNBC's corresponding ban from Twitter for asking the very same questions we brought to the public weeks earlier, involving a situation where time is clearly of the essence.
You can watch the video of the interview here:
Squawk Box
✔@SquawkCNBC
https://twitter.com/SquawkCNBC/status/1227919880328040449
“There are plenty of theories out there because Wuhan does have a P4 lab … maybe this was man-made and there’s a theory that this could have been part of a bioweapons program. But that’s just a theory,” says @onlyyoontv on the #coronavirus.
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