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Counting on getting a vaccine does not seem to be a winning strategy to me.....
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Counting on getting a vaccine does not seem to be a winning strategy to me.....
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and possibly start a brand new one in error..... that should have been addedIf dead bodies weren’t able to carry contagions then there would be no need for researchers to dig up corpses to recover live samples of the Spanish flu from 1918. Your “proclamation” is wrong.
Scientists Describe How 1918 Influenza Virus Sample Was Exhumed In Alaska
In an article in the journal Antiviral Therapy, scientists at NIAID narrate the story of how scientists discovered samples of the 1918 strain in fixed autopsy tissues and in the body of a woman buried in the Alaskan permafrost. The article places this discovery in the context of decades of...www.sciencedaily.com
From article link:
“In a mass grave in a remote Inuit village near the town of Brevig Mission, a large Inuit woman lay buried under more than six feet of ice and dirt for more than 75 years. The permafrost plus the woman's ample fat stores kept the virus in her lungs so well preserved that when a team of scientists exhumed her body in the late 1990s, they could recover enough viral RNA to sequence the 1918 strain in its entirety. This remarkable good fortune enabled these scientists to open a window onto a past pandemic--and perhaps gain a foothold for preventing a future one.”
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You realize if we use the Chinese standards, this doesn't count....
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Good idea on the part of Russia. Why form an agreement with a country that may not exist the following year....
Trivium Pursuit
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Actually, make that 3 deaths. It was reported on this thread I think yesterday evening that there has been on death of an Iranian woman in Tehran. Not seeing on that big national spreadsheet of numbers that gets quoted here daily.Two deaths. One in Japan and one in Philippines..
ETA: I saw a tweet saying three deaths outside China now but they did not list the countries. I only saw two listed at the BNO site.
Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline
The table below shows cases of coronavirus (officially known as SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19, or 2019-nCoV) around the world. Each figure is verified by our team through local health departments or local media. A distribution map and a timeline with a list of recent updates can be found below the table...bnonews.com
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Does this include bring their factory work to them at home? If not, then the garbage about the factories being open is just that! GARBAGE.
We are definitely looking at a gap in shipping now folks. Be sure you have what you need or it may not be there in 60 days.
How big a gap is still to be determined.
20Gauge
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Despite the works of encouragement and success from the Chinese government, this sounds like things are getting worse and not better.
forpetesake
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I personally believe this was manufactured in the lab. Virologists suspect that the researchers were trying to modify this virus to increase the latency period which would increase transmission. So anything is possible, even a 42 day incubation period. I don't think it can be ruled out. YMMV
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Yet other cities are going into tighter lockdown....
desertvet2
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The siege on Stalingrad, comes to my mind when thinking about all of those Chinese cities... horrific.
Six more weeks to full.." oh my God, what do we do?" "Those paranoid preppers were right.". "They are hoarding things the rest of us need!". " I have a gun, and I will take what I need...". ETCETERA, ETCETERA, ETC.
Can you kill to protect what/who you love?
CAN YOU REALLY?
try to remember ALL of those people who have said.....
" Well, I'll just come to your house if anything happens..."
Not trying to be dramatic, not trying to express bravado...
But GOD please Yell in peoples ears...."DO NOT TRY TO FORCE YOURSELF UPON OTHERS WHO TOOK HEED OF MY WARNINGS AND MADE READY FOR CALAMITY. I HAVE ARMED THEM WITH TEETH AND MY PROTECTION."
I hope that God will forgive those who must harm others to protect themselves and their loved ones.
I also hope that GOD will forgive mankind as a whole, for all of the stupid things we do...
Gird your loins.
Six more weeks to full.." oh my God, what do we do?" "Those paranoid preppers were right.". "They are hoarding things the rest of us need!". " I have a gun, and I will take what I need...". ETCETERA, ETCETERA, ETC.
Can you kill to protect what/who you love?
CAN YOU REALLY?
try to remember ALL of those people who have said.....
" Well, I'll just come to your house if anything happens..."
Not trying to be dramatic, not trying to express bravado...
But GOD please Yell in peoples ears...."DO NOT TRY TO FORCE YOURSELF UPON OTHERS WHO TOOK HEED OF MY WARNINGS AND MADE READY FOR CALAMITY. I HAVE ARMED THEM WITH TEETH AND MY PROTECTION."
I hope that God will forgive those who must harm others to protect themselves and their loved ones.
I also hope that GOD will forgive mankind as a whole, for all of the stupid things we do...
Gird your loins.
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Yep... that is how they work.... if you have power and money your are either given a pass out of the city or have plenty of resources if you are forced to stay. Anyone else? Dead man walking.....
20Gauge
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When it comes to threats to me and my own?
Without a doubt and with no issue.... that isn't the problem.
I just hate digging the holes to bury what I kill...... getting too old for that....
hiwall
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That is what the road ditches are for.
desertvet2
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...shoot, BACKHOE, BURN, shut up...
I ain't the Killa man, I'm the Killa man's son...but I'll do the killing, till the Killa man comes...
Stay alert, STAY ALIVE.
Signal to noise ratio on this thread is getting to the point of unreadability/utter uselessness.
Only speaking for myself, but can folks try to keep the wild speculation and rumor/fear-mongering down to a dull roar...and as always try to document relevant info....?
Thank you very much.
Only speaking for myself, but can folks try to keep the wild speculation and rumor/fear-mongering down to a dull roar...and as always try to document relevant info....?
Thank you very much.
20Gauge
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don't have the backhoe yet.....
adgal
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Fair use cited.
When we talk about no deaths in the US for the coronavirus - I'm wondering if there have been deaths, but we just haven't been testing if they are coronavirus related. We read about the young man in Chatham, Illinois who died of the "flu" and "pneumonia." How many more of those deaths are actually coronavirus?
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(CNN)While much of the world's attention has been focused on the Wuhan coronavirus, there's another virus that has been keeping doctors offices around the country incredibly busy this time of year.
Flu activity continued to increase and remained high in the United States in the week ending February 1, according to new data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This is after dramatic drops in flu activity during the first two weeks of 2020.
There's a mismatch in the flu shot -- and it's not good news for children
Flu virus activity was widespread in nearly every US region, with high levels of activity in 45 states and Puerto Rico. Influenza A and influenza B strains are approximately equal for the season overall, the CDC said, but in recent weeks there has been an increase in influenza A. Influenza B viruses are the most commonly reported flu viruses among children, including babies, and young adults up to age 24, while influenza A is most commonly reported among people 25 to 64 and 65 and older.
There were 10 more pediatric flu deaths reported to the CDC last week, bringing the total for the season to 78.
Flu leaves a 4-year-old girl blind in Iowa
"We seem to have another double barreled flu season," said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease doctor at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. "B was big early on and now it is being equal with H1N1 and that's interesting. Both can be a real problem for children and young adults and that is kind of curious, that is not normal at all. Usually, we have one that predominates."
"Last year was also a double barreled season and we hadn't see that in a long time. Normally there's a and b smolders along in background," Schaffner said. "Usually it doesn't cause large outbreaks but this year the Bs didn't read the text book."
The CDC estimates that this flu season, which started on September 29, there have been at least 22 million cases of the illness in the US, 210,000 hospitalizations and 12,000 deaths.
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Schaffner said it's good to remember, with flu activity reported everywhere in the country, to wash your hands regularly, avoid people who are coughing or sneezing and, if you do get sick, call your health care provider, instead of going into the office. Schaffner said that way you can get a prescription for antiviral medication to reduce your sick time and, by staying home, you won't spread the bug around the doctor's waiting room.
When we talk about no deaths in the US for the coronavirus - I'm wondering if there have been deaths, but we just haven't been testing if they are coronavirus related. We read about the young man in Chatham, Illinois who died of the "flu" and "pneumonia." How many more of those deaths are actually coronavirus?
Flu is widespread across the US | CNN
While much of the world's attention has been focused on the Wuhan coronavirus, there's another virus that has been keeping doctors offices around the country incredibly busy this time of year.
www.cnn.com
(CNN)While much of the world's attention has been focused on the Wuhan coronavirus, there's another virus that has been keeping doctors offices around the country incredibly busy this time of year.
Flu activity continued to increase and remained high in the United States in the week ending February 1, according to new data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This is after dramatic drops in flu activity during the first two weeks of 2020.
There's a mismatch in the flu shot -- and it's not good news for children
Flu virus activity was widespread in nearly every US region, with high levels of activity in 45 states and Puerto Rico. Influenza A and influenza B strains are approximately equal for the season overall, the CDC said, but in recent weeks there has been an increase in influenza A. Influenza B viruses are the most commonly reported flu viruses among children, including babies, and young adults up to age 24, while influenza A is most commonly reported among people 25 to 64 and 65 and older.
There were 10 more pediatric flu deaths reported to the CDC last week, bringing the total for the season to 78.
Flu leaves a 4-year-old girl blind in Iowa
"We seem to have another double barreled flu season," said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease doctor at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. "B was big early on and now it is being equal with H1N1 and that's interesting. Both can be a real problem for children and young adults and that is kind of curious, that is not normal at all. Usually, we have one that predominates."
"Last year was also a double barreled season and we hadn't see that in a long time. Normally there's a and b smolders along in background," Schaffner said. "Usually it doesn't cause large outbreaks but this year the Bs didn't read the text book."
The CDC estimates that this flu season, which started on September 29, there have been at least 22 million cases of the illness in the US, 210,000 hospitalizations and 12,000 deaths.
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Schaffner said it's good to remember, with flu activity reported everywhere in the country, to wash your hands regularly, avoid people who are coughing or sneezing and, if you do get sick, call your health care provider, instead of going into the office. Schaffner said that way you can get a prescription for antiviral medication to reduce your sick time and, by staying home, you won't spread the bug around the doctor's waiting room.
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Thank you, Jubilee on Earth, Mwrobel and Lilbitsnana.
Despite all the hair on fire leading to 12,000+ posts on this thread alone, something doesn't add up.
While this MAY be the real deal and we're all going to die, doctors, hospitals and pharma will kill more of us in one day than this may ever kill.
I'm not a scientist nor do I play one on TV.
Just some red-neck semi-hermit on my little hill here in western Pa.
I don't get out much.
But, I chose the red pill.
Most of us don't trust anything we see or hear from our government or media.
Yet we're swallowing the CDC's swill even though their track record is less than spotless
While my jury is still out on this guy, he does provide food for thought.
Jon Rappaport has been exposing these things for quite a while.
Sars and others.
nomorefakenews.com
He has a whole series on this.
Perhaps, take a deep breath and check it out for a different perspective.
I am still prepping a bit and working on building my already pretty good immune system.
I very seldom get any flu since my last flu shot 55 years ago and infrequent colds
Despite all the hair on fire leading to 12,000+ posts on this thread alone, something doesn't add up.
While this MAY be the real deal and we're all going to die, doctors, hospitals and pharma will kill more of us in one day than this may ever kill.
I'm not a scientist nor do I play one on TV.
Just some red-neck semi-hermit on my little hill here in western Pa.
I don't get out much.
But, I chose the red pill.
Most of us don't trust anything we see or hear from our government or media.
Yet we're swallowing the CDC's swill even though their track record is less than spotless
While my jury is still out on this guy, he does provide food for thought.
Jon Rappaport has been exposing these things for quite a while.
Sars and others.
nomorefakenews.com
He has a whole series on this.
Perhaps, take a deep breath and check it out for a different perspective.
I am still prepping a bit and working on building my already pretty good immune system.
I very seldom get any flu since my last flu shot 55 years ago and infrequent colds
Tristan
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Our policy was to group Biological Weapons with other Weapons of Mass Destruction, and to reserve the option to respond as necessary with the appropriate force necessary.
Commonly believed to mean that you hit us with any form of WMD, we will choose to respond as we wish.
This is supposed to be a prepper board .Well this Virus is what we prep for ...Normalcy Bias is not a good thing. We are not in Kansas anymore It's a whole different world out there. US military prepping for coronavirus pandemic
U.S. Northern Command is executing plans to prepare for a potential pandemic of the novel coronavirus, now called COVID19, according to Navy and Marine Corps service-wide messages issued this week.
An executive order issued by the Joint Staff and approved by Defense Secretary Mark Esper this month directed Northern Command and geographic combatant commanders to initiate pandemic plans, which include ordering commanders to prepare for widespread outbreaks and confining service members with a history of travel to China.
The Navy and Marine Corps messages, issued Tuesday and Wednesday, respectively, reference an executive order directing U.S. Northern Command to implement the Department of Defense Global Campaign plan for Pandemic Influenza and Infectious Diseases 3551-13.
The document serves as the Pentagon’s blueprint for planning and preparing for widespread dispersion of influenza and previously unknown diseases.
U.S. Northern Command said Wednesday it was directed the Joint Staff Feb. 1 to commence “prudent planning” in their assigned role synchronizing the department’s plans for pandemic flu and disease.
But in no way “does the planning indicate a greater likelihood of an event developing. As military professionals, planning for a range of contingencies is something we owe the American people," Navy Lt. Cmdr. Mike Hatfield said.
"We coordinate with other combatant commands to assess potential impacts in the event of a pandemic and we ensure the U.S. military is poised to respond as required,” Hatfield said in a statement. “The military profession fosters a culture of planning, and the fact that we are coordinating planning efforts across the geographical combatant commands is consistent with how we prepare to respond, if directed.”
According to the Marine Corps message MARADMIN 082/20, commanders are to review their disease containment plans and take “preparatory and precautionary actions” to protect service members, installations and ships.
This includes ensuring that the plans contain procedures for “response, isolation, quarantine, restriction of movement and community based intervention” as well as developing measures to contain and treat those possibly exposed.
/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-mco.s3.amazonaws.com/public/XQGCW2LXFBBLXEV3OWTPOUG7AA.jpeg "U.S. Marshal Service and local law enforcement agencies provided security for the federal quarantine ordered at March Air Reserve Base by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Jan. 31. (David Sherman)")
First group of US coronavirus evacuees from China leaving quarantine after 2 weeks
What will the first group of Americans in more than 50 years quarantined for a public health concern do when they are released Tuesday?
Patricia Kime
The Marine Corps’ mission, according to the message, is to “prepare for potential outbreaks of [COVID19].” The service must “mitigate, respond, and recover from the effects in order to maintain force readiness.”
COVID19, the flu-like virus that originated in Wuhan, China, is now responsible for killing more than 1,100 people and sickening at least 45,000. While the rate of new cases has fallen in the past several days in Wuhan and Hubei province, the death toll continues to climb, topping more than 100 in a single day Monday in China.
The number of cases in the U.S. remains at 13.
DoD 3551-13 calls for preparing for a pandemic and ensuring open lines of communication in the community, diseases surveillance and detection, response and containment.
According to the service messages, military commanders have been asked to confine any service member who has been to China since Feb. 2 to their residences or, if they live in an open barracks or share a bathroom with others, restrict them to a temporary lodging facility for 14 days.
The restricted service members will be assessed daily for fever by medical personnel by phone or in person and wear protective gear if they personally conduct the medical checks, according to the messages. Should they display symptoms, they must seek medical attention, but call their military treatment facility first to inform them of their travel.
The Marine Corps message advises civilian employees and contractors, as well as any family members returning from China, to follow Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidance to detect the virus and prevent its spread, which include voluntarily remaining at home, limiting close contact with people and animals, self-monitoring and seeking medical care if symptoms develop.
The Navy has included visits to Hong Kong and Macau as part of its directive and gives commanders the flexibility to decide whether they need to confine a service member who has had close contact with a person who has traveled to the region.
The Marine Corps also has told commanders to work with military treatment facilities on developing and executing any response and stay up-to-date on CDC guidance regarding the virus.
The Army issued a service-wide message Jan. 31 on the coronavirus advising its members on the illness’s symptoms and instructing them on reducing their risk of catching the infection. The message was issued the same day the Pentagon released an advisory about how service members can reduce the risk of catching the disease.
It does not publicly release its service-wide messages and has not issued any since the executive order.
The Air Force does not publicly disclose its service-wide messages.
Since the outbreak began in late December, individual commands, especially those in Asia, have enforced confinement of service members with a travel history to China. Earlier this month, U.S. Forces Korea began confining troops who had traveled to China for 14 days.
Also earlier this month, U.S. Indo-Pacific Command restricted all Defense Department travel to mainland China and recalled all travelers to the country home.
Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said Monday that the likelihood of more cases being diagnosed in the U.S. of COVID19 is high, but added that the chance of contracting the disease outside China remains low.
She said the biggest infectious disease threat to the American public this year remains the influenza virus, which has sickened more than 22 million and killed at least 12,000.
Precautions against the coronavirus, which include hand-washing, staying home if ill and sneezing or coughing into a tissue or sleeve, also cut down on flu transmission.
“We are taking all appropriate precautionary measures to prevent any potential spread of the virus,” U.S. Forces Korea commander Army Gen. Robert Abrams Feb. 2. “Key for everyone is to follow standard hygiene protocols, and if not feeling well — get screened ASAP!”
U.S. Northern Command is executing plans to prepare for a potential pandemic of the novel coronavirus, now called COVID19, according to Navy and Marine Corps service-wide messages issued this week.
An executive order issued by the Joint Staff and approved by Defense Secretary Mark Esper this month directed Northern Command and geographic combatant commanders to initiate pandemic plans, which include ordering commanders to prepare for widespread outbreaks and confining service members with a history of travel to China.
The Navy and Marine Corps messages, issued Tuesday and Wednesday, respectively, reference an executive order directing U.S. Northern Command to implement the Department of Defense Global Campaign plan for Pandemic Influenza and Infectious Diseases 3551-13.
The document serves as the Pentagon’s blueprint for planning and preparing for widespread dispersion of influenza and previously unknown diseases.
U.S. Northern Command said Wednesday it was directed the Joint Staff Feb. 1 to commence “prudent planning” in their assigned role synchronizing the department’s plans for pandemic flu and disease.
But in no way “does the planning indicate a greater likelihood of an event developing. As military professionals, planning for a range of contingencies is something we owe the American people," Navy Lt. Cmdr. Mike Hatfield said.
"We coordinate with other combatant commands to assess potential impacts in the event of a pandemic and we ensure the U.S. military is poised to respond as required,” Hatfield said in a statement. “The military profession fosters a culture of planning, and the fact that we are coordinating planning efforts across the geographical combatant commands is consistent with how we prepare to respond, if directed.”
According to the Marine Corps message MARADMIN 082/20, commanders are to review their disease containment plans and take “preparatory and precautionary actions” to protect service members, installations and ships.
This includes ensuring that the plans contain procedures for “response, isolation, quarantine, restriction of movement and community based intervention” as well as developing measures to contain and treat those possibly exposed.
First group of US coronavirus evacuees from China leaving quarantine after 2 weeks
What will the first group of Americans in more than 50 years quarantined for a public health concern do when they are released Tuesday?
Patricia Kime
The Marine Corps’ mission, according to the message, is to “prepare for potential outbreaks of [COVID19].” The service must “mitigate, respond, and recover from the effects in order to maintain force readiness.”
COVID19, the flu-like virus that originated in Wuhan, China, is now responsible for killing more than 1,100 people and sickening at least 45,000. While the rate of new cases has fallen in the past several days in Wuhan and Hubei province, the death toll continues to climb, topping more than 100 in a single day Monday in China.
The number of cases in the U.S. remains at 13.
DoD 3551-13 calls for preparing for a pandemic and ensuring open lines of communication in the community, diseases surveillance and detection, response and containment.
According to the service messages, military commanders have been asked to confine any service member who has been to China since Feb. 2 to their residences or, if they live in an open barracks or share a bathroom with others, restrict them to a temporary lodging facility for 14 days.
The restricted service members will be assessed daily for fever by medical personnel by phone or in person and wear protective gear if they personally conduct the medical checks, according to the messages. Should they display symptoms, they must seek medical attention, but call their military treatment facility first to inform them of their travel.
The Marine Corps message advises civilian employees and contractors, as well as any family members returning from China, to follow Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidance to detect the virus and prevent its spread, which include voluntarily remaining at home, limiting close contact with people and animals, self-monitoring and seeking medical care if symptoms develop.
The Navy has included visits to Hong Kong and Macau as part of its directive and gives commanders the flexibility to decide whether they need to confine a service member who has had close contact with a person who has traveled to the region.
The Marine Corps also has told commanders to work with military treatment facilities on developing and executing any response and stay up-to-date on CDC guidance regarding the virus.
The Army issued a service-wide message Jan. 31 on the coronavirus advising its members on the illness’s symptoms and instructing them on reducing their risk of catching the infection. The message was issued the same day the Pentagon released an advisory about how service members can reduce the risk of catching the disease.
It does not publicly release its service-wide messages and has not issued any since the executive order.
The Air Force does not publicly disclose its service-wide messages.
Since the outbreak began in late December, individual commands, especially those in Asia, have enforced confinement of service members with a travel history to China. Earlier this month, U.S. Forces Korea began confining troops who had traveled to China for 14 days.
Also earlier this month, U.S. Indo-Pacific Command restricted all Defense Department travel to mainland China and recalled all travelers to the country home.
Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said Monday that the likelihood of more cases being diagnosed in the U.S. of COVID19 is high, but added that the chance of contracting the disease outside China remains low.
She said the biggest infectious disease threat to the American public this year remains the influenza virus, which has sickened more than 22 million and killed at least 12,000.
Precautions against the coronavirus, which include hand-washing, staying home if ill and sneezing or coughing into a tissue or sleeve, also cut down on flu transmission.
“We are taking all appropriate precautionary measures to prevent any potential spread of the virus,” U.S. Forces Korea commander Army Gen. Robert Abrams Feb. 2. “Key for everyone is to follow standard hygiene protocols, and if not feeling well — get screened ASAP!”
I's going to have the healthiest goldfish on the block!
I'm really afraid that you may be correct. It seems that they have written these people off.
China reports spike in virus cases with new way of counting
China on Thursday reported a sharp spike in deaths and infections from a new virus after the hardest-hit province of Hubei applied a new classification system that broadens the scope of diagnoses for the outbreak, which has spread to more than 20 countries.
Japan reported its first death, a woman in her 80s who had been hospitalized since early February. She is the third confirmed fatality outside of mainland China, after deaths in the Philippines and Hong Kong.
The new diagnostic approach came on the same day that Hubei and its stricken capital, Wuhan, replaced their top officials in an apparent response to public criticism of how authorities have handled the epidemic.
The death toll in China reached 1,367, up 254 from the previous day. The number of confirmed cases jumped 15,152 to 59,804. The unusually large increases were due to the change in Hubei’s approach.
The total now includes more than 13,000 cases of “clinical diagnosis” in Hubei, which appears to include those based on a doctors’ analysis combined with lung imaging, as opposed to waiting for laboratory test results.
In breaking down the large number of new cases in China, National Health Commission spokesman Mi Feng said Hubei had adopted a revised diagnosis and treatment plan aimed at accelerating the identification and treatment of patients.
That adds a “clinical diagnosis case” classification to identify suspected cases who appear to have pneumonia so that patients can be accepted as soon as possible and treated as confirmed cases, Mi said, adding that should “reduce severe illness and mortality.”
One expert said the changed case definition in Hubei likely speaks to the crush of patients the health system is experiencing and the backlog of untested samples.
“Clearly in Wuhan, the health system is under extreme pressure and so the first priority has to be the patient,” said Mark Woolhouse, a professor of infectious disease epidemiology at the University of Edinburgh.
He said it wasn’t unprecedented for case definitions to rely on doctors’ diagnoses rather than wait for laboratory confirmation, and that these kinds of changes usually happen when there are simply too many patients to process in a fast-moving outbreak.
“I’m not surprised that this has happened given the way the outbreak has been going in China,” Woolhouse said. “You have to be pragmatic and take the concerns of the patient first and treat them as if they already have the disease, even in the absence of lab confirmation.”
China also appointed new high-level officials in Hubei and Wuhan.
Former Shanghai Mayor Ying Yong succeeded Jiang Chaoliang as the ruling Communist Party chief in the beleaguered province, the Xinhua state news agency reported, while Wang Zhonglin took over from Ma Guoqiang as the party secretary in Wuhan.
The appointments follow the sacking earlier this week of two leaders of the provincial health commission. State media also reported that a slew of others were expelled from the party for transgressions related to the epidemic.
The public has widely criticized local officials for failing to respond quickly and decisively to the new virus. Authorities initially assured people that there was little to no risk of human-to-human transmission, a statement that was later retracted. Wuhan residents said hospitals were overcrowded and lacked sufficient medical supplies. Doctors who tried to share information early on were reprimanded by police for “spreading rumors.”
Many countries have implemented travel restrictions on recent visitors to China, which has more than 99% of the world’s reported infections.
In an unprecedented measure to contain the disease, recently named COVID-19, the Chinese government has placed the hardest-hit cities — home to more than 60 million — under lockdown. One district in Shiyan, a city in Hubei, has implemented “wartime measures,” barring residents from leaving even their apartment compounds for two weeks.
According to a local government notice, neighborhood committees will distribute basic necessities at a fixed time and at fixed prices, as well as help residents purchase any medicine they might urgently need.
Xu Min, a resident of Shiyan’s Zhangwan district, said her neighborhood entrance was being guarded by community workers and security staff.
“It doesn’t have too much of an impact on our life, except that we’re not allowed to go out,” Xu said.
World Health Organization spokesman Tarik Jasarevic said the agency is seeking more clarity from China on the updates to its case definition and reporting protocol.
“It is our current understanding that the new case definition widens the net, and includes not only lab-confirmed cases but also clinically diagnosed cases based on symptoms and exposure,” Jasarevic said in an email to The Associated Press.
“The jump in cases today reflects the broader definition,” he said.
An advance team of WHO experts has been in China since Monday. The team is here to “discuss specific arrangements for the China-WHO joint mission with the Chinese side,” Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said at a daily online briefing.
“The purpose of the joint mission is that experts of both sides can have in-depth communication on the situation and efforts of prevention and control, and come up with advice for China and other affected countries,” Geng said.
In Vietnam, official media reported that a village of 10,000 northwest of the capital, Hanoi, was put in lockdown due to a cluster of cases there.
The online newspaper VN Express cited a senior official of Vinh Phuc province as reporting an increase in cases in Son Loi. Vietnam has confirmed 16 cases, most of them in the province.
Japan’s Health Ministry announced Thursday that 44 more people on a cruise ship quarantined in the port of Yokohama, near Tokyo, have tested positive for COVID-19. The ship has 218 infections among its 3,700 passengers and crew.
Health Minister Katsunobu Kato told reporters five of the patients who were already sent to hospitals for isolation and treatment have severe symptoms and are on artificial respirators or under intensive care.
Another cruise ship, the Westerdam, finally docked Thursday in Cambodia after being turned away by several Asian and Pacific governments. No cases of the viral illness have been confirmed among its 1,455 passengers and 802 crew members, according to operator Holland America Line.
Thailand refused to allow the Westerdam to dock this week after it had already been turned away by the Philippines, Taiwan, Japan and Guam over virus concerns.
The Westerdam began its cruise in Singapore last month and its last stop before it was refused further landings was in Hong Kong, where 51 cases of the viral disease have been confirmed.
www.breitbart.com
China on Thursday reported a sharp spike in deaths and infections from a new virus after the hardest-hit province of Hubei applied a new classification system that broadens the scope of diagnoses for the outbreak, which has spread to more than 20 countries.
Japan reported its first death, a woman in her 80s who had been hospitalized since early February. She is the third confirmed fatality outside of mainland China, after deaths in the Philippines and Hong Kong.
The new diagnostic approach came on the same day that Hubei and its stricken capital, Wuhan, replaced their top officials in an apparent response to public criticism of how authorities have handled the epidemic.
The death toll in China reached 1,367, up 254 from the previous day. The number of confirmed cases jumped 15,152 to 59,804. The unusually large increases were due to the change in Hubei’s approach.
The total now includes more than 13,000 cases of “clinical diagnosis” in Hubei, which appears to include those based on a doctors’ analysis combined with lung imaging, as opposed to waiting for laboratory test results.
In breaking down the large number of new cases in China, National Health Commission spokesman Mi Feng said Hubei had adopted a revised diagnosis and treatment plan aimed at accelerating the identification and treatment of patients.
That adds a “clinical diagnosis case” classification to identify suspected cases who appear to have pneumonia so that patients can be accepted as soon as possible and treated as confirmed cases, Mi said, adding that should “reduce severe illness and mortality.”
One expert said the changed case definition in Hubei likely speaks to the crush of patients the health system is experiencing and the backlog of untested samples.
“Clearly in Wuhan, the health system is under extreme pressure and so the first priority has to be the patient,” said Mark Woolhouse, a professor of infectious disease epidemiology at the University of Edinburgh.
He said it wasn’t unprecedented for case definitions to rely on doctors’ diagnoses rather than wait for laboratory confirmation, and that these kinds of changes usually happen when there are simply too many patients to process in a fast-moving outbreak.
“I’m not surprised that this has happened given the way the outbreak has been going in China,” Woolhouse said. “You have to be pragmatic and take the concerns of the patient first and treat them as if they already have the disease, even in the absence of lab confirmation.”
China also appointed new high-level officials in Hubei and Wuhan.
Former Shanghai Mayor Ying Yong succeeded Jiang Chaoliang as the ruling Communist Party chief in the beleaguered province, the Xinhua state news agency reported, while Wang Zhonglin took over from Ma Guoqiang as the party secretary in Wuhan.
The appointments follow the sacking earlier this week of two leaders of the provincial health commission. State media also reported that a slew of others were expelled from the party for transgressions related to the epidemic.
The public has widely criticized local officials for failing to respond quickly and decisively to the new virus. Authorities initially assured people that there was little to no risk of human-to-human transmission, a statement that was later retracted. Wuhan residents said hospitals were overcrowded and lacked sufficient medical supplies. Doctors who tried to share information early on were reprimanded by police for “spreading rumors.”
Many countries have implemented travel restrictions on recent visitors to China, which has more than 99% of the world’s reported infections.
In an unprecedented measure to contain the disease, recently named COVID-19, the Chinese government has placed the hardest-hit cities — home to more than 60 million — under lockdown. One district in Shiyan, a city in Hubei, has implemented “wartime measures,” barring residents from leaving even their apartment compounds for two weeks.
According to a local government notice, neighborhood committees will distribute basic necessities at a fixed time and at fixed prices, as well as help residents purchase any medicine they might urgently need.
Xu Min, a resident of Shiyan’s Zhangwan district, said her neighborhood entrance was being guarded by community workers and security staff.
“It doesn’t have too much of an impact on our life, except that we’re not allowed to go out,” Xu said.
World Health Organization spokesman Tarik Jasarevic said the agency is seeking more clarity from China on the updates to its case definition and reporting protocol.
“It is our current understanding that the new case definition widens the net, and includes not only lab-confirmed cases but also clinically diagnosed cases based on symptoms and exposure,” Jasarevic said in an email to The Associated Press.
“The jump in cases today reflects the broader definition,” he said.
An advance team of WHO experts has been in China since Monday. The team is here to “discuss specific arrangements for the China-WHO joint mission with the Chinese side,” Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said at a daily online briefing.
“The purpose of the joint mission is that experts of both sides can have in-depth communication on the situation and efforts of prevention and control, and come up with advice for China and other affected countries,” Geng said.
In Vietnam, official media reported that a village of 10,000 northwest of the capital, Hanoi, was put in lockdown due to a cluster of cases there.
The online newspaper VN Express cited a senior official of Vinh Phuc province as reporting an increase in cases in Son Loi. Vietnam has confirmed 16 cases, most of them in the province.
Japan’s Health Ministry announced Thursday that 44 more people on a cruise ship quarantined in the port of Yokohama, near Tokyo, have tested positive for COVID-19. The ship has 218 infections among its 3,700 passengers and crew.
Health Minister Katsunobu Kato told reporters five of the patients who were already sent to hospitals for isolation and treatment have severe symptoms and are on artificial respirators or under intensive care.
Another cruise ship, the Westerdam, finally docked Thursday in Cambodia after being turned away by several Asian and Pacific governments. No cases of the viral illness have been confirmed among its 1,455 passengers and 802 crew members, according to operator Holland America Line.
Thailand refused to allow the Westerdam to dock this week after it had already been turned away by the Philippines, Taiwan, Japan and Guam over virus concerns.
The Westerdam began its cruise in Singapore last month and its last stop before it was refused further landings was in Hong Kong, where 51 cases of the viral disease have been confirmed.
China reports spike in virus cases with new way of counting - Breitbart
BEIJING (AP) — China on Thursday reported a sharp spike in deaths and infections from a new virus after the hardest-hit province of Hubei applied a new
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A few comments:
1. The recovered:dead ratio has remained pretty consistent for the last couple of weeks at 4:1. Base on current # of infections in China, we will likely see 10K+ dead in China within a couple of weeks. Unless infected rate goes up significantly in other places, I think medical care will keep the recovered:dead ratio much higher, but if infection rate skyrockets we'll se a smilar ratio here. That's about 20% of those who get it die.
2. That cruise ship has become a big virus incubator. They really need to get all the people off so they can be isolated from each other while in quarantine. Otherwise, the whole ship will get it sooner or later.
3. I agree there is a lot of woo, speculation, and off-topic chatter in this thread making it hard to parse out the facts are at least more concrete rumors. Maybe separate threads for hard virus news and for everything else.
1. The recovered:dead ratio has remained pretty consistent for the last couple of weeks at 4:1. Base on current # of infections in China, we will likely see 10K+ dead in China within a couple of weeks. Unless infected rate goes up significantly in other places, I think medical care will keep the recovered:dead ratio much higher, but if infection rate skyrockets we'll se a smilar ratio here. That's about 20% of those who get it die.
2. That cruise ship has become a big virus incubator. They really need to get all the people off so they can be isolated from each other while in quarantine. Otherwise, the whole ship will get it sooner or later.
3. I agree there is a lot of woo, speculation, and off-topic chatter in this thread making it hard to parse out the facts are at least more concrete rumors. Maybe separate threads for hard virus news and for everything else.
#12, 257:
China on Thursday reported a sharp spike in deaths and infections from a new virus after the hardest-hit province of Hubei applied a new classification system that broadens the scope of diagnoses for the outbreak, which has spread to more than 20 countries.
Kentucky translation: The epidemic has become uncontrollable and so obvious that we look like fools to keep reporting as we have to date.
China on Thursday reported a sharp spike in deaths and infections from a new virus after the hardest-hit province of Hubei applied a new classification system that broadens the scope of diagnoses for the outbreak, which has spread to more than 20 countries.
Kentucky translation: The epidemic has become uncontrollable and so obvious that we look like fools to keep reporting as we have to date.
desertvet2
Veteran Member
Been thinking this for awhile myself ...
Ractivist
Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
So, we refer to 1300 dead, or is it 50,000, or 250,000? What's the real number here, and what is the reasoning. I know we don't know due to the Chinese commies lies.......but what is it really? What is your best estimate given 306 pages of content here?
mzkitty
I give up.
Considering the number of people locked down and quarantined and the bringing in of a General in charge of biological's I would say we are in at least the 6 figures and they seem to be expecting much worse to come. The only bright side to this is that it got loose internally so they get to learn from pain that they shouldn't be playing with these things. Maybe they will be a bit more careful in the future as I doubt any other government is going to start demanding the heads of their leadership which we should be doing.
EMICT
Veteran Member
Take the time in the next few weeks to enjoy the small things that we have enjoyed most of our lives.
I kind of envy you all here. I know what my life is going to be like here in the near future and what it means for my family. I work in an ER setting as does my wife. My son and daughter-in-law are ER nurses. My daughter in Colorado is a home health nurse. Another daughter is in Med school and is being prepped to assist in clinics in KCMO. The only person in my immediate family who will not have daily contact with this bug is my 18 month old granddaughter.
So, again, enjoy the normalcy you have right NOW. Don't spend all of your time here in this thread when you could be enjoying what normalcy there still is out in the 'meat' world.
ETA: This isn't a pitty party on my part, just a suggestion for you all to be careful and don't spend all your time here fretting about what's coming down the pike. It will get bad soon enough and with GOD's grace, most here will make it to the other side with minimal impact to your lives.
Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Not arguing with you, 20Gauge, but I think the number is closer to 30 days...
I sincerely hope I'm wrong.
This is a thread drift but I wish you would put up the whole song. Iron Mike Norton. Never heard of Swamp Stomp before.
Well, sure, many things are possible and bear watching. But I still haven't seen any credible evidence for a 42 day incubation period (or anything close to it) in this crazy long thread or in Google searches.
Bicycle Junkie
Resident dissident and troll
If the Chinese government is able to feed countless millions of quarantined people, or a billion if it gets a lot worse, it will only be because they have a communist government with a command economy, all aspects of which can be controlled, by force if necessary. If hundreds of millions were quarantined in this country, it wouldn't work. People would have to pay for food deliveries (if workers are available to deliver) and if they run out of money for food they will starve. The U.S. government does not have the logistical or financial resources; there would be mass starvation. High rise apartments in big cities will become charnel houses and ultimately, sealed tombs to contain pathogens. When essential medicines (e.g. heart meds and insulin) run out, a lot of people will die.
Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I mentioned way back when: when the numbers (input) are crap, the output calculated/projected from those numbers are going to be crap as well. About the best it can qualify for is a wild-assed guess.
The only thing the official numbers are good for is to give a feel for the direction/velocity of the outbreak.
Trying to figure how many are infected or dead from that input is apt to have your projection off by one or two orders of magnitude.
A far better indication is to watch what they are doing... though they've been clamping down on any leaks they can. And what they've been doing is ... treating this as a major outbreak of a highly pathogenic virus which is going to require "War" footing to eradicate. Placing a Major General in charge of the Wuhan Bio Lab. Beating old ladies who can't afford masks for not wearing a mask... You get the picture.
bw
Fringe Ranger
I haven't seen evidence for a longer incubation, but the lack of recognized infections and deaths outside China keeps nagging at me. Are we in the calm before the storm, or is something not adding up?
the problem with this pandemic is "cognitive dissonance". I think that is the correct term.
1. there is the psychological problem of reconciling mass quarantine/lock down of populations which approaches the population of the US against such relatively low infection/deaths. Since, this has resulted in such a huge impact on the economy of China, we tend to reconcile this as under reporting by the "evil commie empire" and therefore we conclude that deaths "must be" astronomical.
2. a second wave of cognitive dissonance presents itself with the reaction of other governments. We know there is a large amount of surveillance conducted in China. NSA collects phone calls and radio comms. Spy satellites fly. Secret agents and "cultural" attaches. With all of this intel, foreign governments should know, with a high level of confidence, the true death and infection rates, quarantine levels, and chaos present in China. And yet, there has been no official challenge to the low numbers and there has been no joining of the quarantine measures aside from the symbolic airline flight cancellations (which do not apply to repatriation of citizens who receive highly symbolic quarantine). The lack of a coordinated response equal to that of the Chinese implies that the threat presented by this virus is far less than the "evil commie empire" would have you believe. This is opposite the conclusion you made in the first instance - deaths are not astronomical.
3. a third wave of cognitive dissonance occurs when the WHO and/or CDC announce that there is no treatment and this is going to be bad.
4. a fourth wave of cognitive dissonance occurs when you realize that China's economic output which supplies US markets IS being impacted and whether the death rate is high or not, shortages of products like medicine, masks, hazmat suits will result in collateral damage in terms of health and finance. whether the health impact is real or not, the economic impact will be.
1. there is the psychological problem of reconciling mass quarantine/lock down of populations which approaches the population of the US against such relatively low infection/deaths. Since, this has resulted in such a huge impact on the economy of China, we tend to reconcile this as under reporting by the "evil commie empire" and therefore we conclude that deaths "must be" astronomical.
2. a second wave of cognitive dissonance presents itself with the reaction of other governments. We know there is a large amount of surveillance conducted in China. NSA collects phone calls and radio comms. Spy satellites fly. Secret agents and "cultural" attaches. With all of this intel, foreign governments should know, with a high level of confidence, the true death and infection rates, quarantine levels, and chaos present in China. And yet, there has been no official challenge to the low numbers and there has been no joining of the quarantine measures aside from the symbolic airline flight cancellations (which do not apply to repatriation of citizens who receive highly symbolic quarantine). The lack of a coordinated response equal to that of the Chinese implies that the threat presented by this virus is far less than the "evil commie empire" would have you believe. This is opposite the conclusion you made in the first instance - deaths are not astronomical.
3. a third wave of cognitive dissonance occurs when the WHO and/or CDC announce that there is no treatment and this is going to be bad.
4. a fourth wave of cognitive dissonance occurs when you realize that China's economic output which supplies US markets IS being impacted and whether the death rate is high or not, shortages of products like medicine, masks, hazmat suits will result in collateral damage in terms of health and finance. whether the health impact is real or not, the economic impact will be.
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Momof5
Senior Member
My son has type B. Been 9 days and still down. He's taking the Tamiflu tooFair use cited.
When we talk about no deaths in the US for the coronavirus - I'm wondering if there have been deaths, but we just haven't been testing if they are coronavirus related. We read about the young man in Chatham, Illinois who died of the "flu" and "pneumonia." How many more of those deaths are actually coronavirus?
Flu is widespread across the US | CNN
While much of the world's attention has been focused on the Wuhan coronavirus, there's another virus that has been keeping doctors offices around the country incredibly busy this time of year.
(CNN)While much of the world's attention has been focused on the Wuhan coronavirus, there's another virus that has been keeping doctors offices around the country incredibly busy this time of year.
Flu activity continued to increase and remained high in the United States in the week ending February 1, according to new data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This is after dramatic drops in flu activity during the first two weeks of 2020.
There's a mismatch in the flu shot -- and it's not good news for children
Flu virus activity was widespread in nearly every US region, with high levels of activity in 45 states and Puerto Rico. Influenza A and influenza B strains are approximately equal for the season overall, the CDC said, but in recent weeks there has been an increase in influenza A. Influenza B viruses are the most commonly reported flu viruses among children, including babies, and young adults up to age 24, while influenza A is most commonly reported among people 25 to 64 and 65 and older.
There were 10 more pediatric flu deaths reported to the CDC last week, bringing the total for the season to 78.
Flu leaves a 4-year-old girl blind in Iowa
"We seem to have another double barreled flu season," said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease doctor at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. "B was big early on and now it is being equal with H1N1 and that's interesting. Both can be a real problem for children and young adults and that is kind of curious, that is not normal at all. Usually, we have one that predominates."
"Last year was also a double barreled season and we hadn't see that in a long time. Normally there's a and b smolders along in background," Schaffner said. "Usually it doesn't cause large outbreaks but this year the Bs didn't read the text book."
The CDC estimates that this flu season, which started on September 29, there have been at least 22 million cases of the illness in the US, 210,000 hospitalizations and 12,000 deaths.
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Schaffner said it's good to remember, with flu activity reported everywhere in the country, to wash your hands regularly, avoid people who are coughing or sneezing and, if you do get sick, call your health care provider, instead of going into the office. Schaffner said that way you can get a prescription for antiviral medication to reduce your sick time and, by staying home, you won't spread the bug around the doctor's waiting room.
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