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mudlogger

mudlogger

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Skyraider said:
I have been dealing with Alldaychemist.com for two days. They want scripts or photos of the current meds. I have had direct contact. Also need photo id sent to them. Just my experience in the past 48hrs.
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I put in a pretty big order on Sunday and had no problems. I've never sent rx. Seems like I had to send dl the first time. They finally got it so they can do a direct bank draft (we have a third, unused account that I use).

I wonder if they're clamping down due to the crisis? I don't get antibiotics from them.
 
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TrueNorthNomads

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Melodi said:
Not in this case, my understanding is (and I will ask Nightwolf again) but my understanding is that with an AIRBOURNE Virus they can still be infectious.

It isn't that dead bodies are by their very nature likely to infect others, but with airborne viruses they can, Nightwolf said the HHS protocols for dealing with potential dead victims in the UK was one of the first hints (a couple of weeks ago) that this actually was an airborne virus (or highly suspected of being one).
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I’m sorry; I don’t know Nightwolf. I’ll stand by my proclamation... unless and until we find out something drastically different about this virus that we don’t know now.

Sláinte!

Kathy.
 
ainitfunny

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Tink said - Hi all....thinking I should go get the pneumonia shot. Anyone else?
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I had a feeling in September that I should get it while i was getting my flu shot so I did.
Glad I did.
Now I want to get the shingles vaccination.
 
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marsh

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I just got finished listening to Steve Bannon's Pandemic and the Senate Roundtable discussion. The first show covered the fact that the basic ingredients for our generic drugs are sourced in China - even those compounded in India or capsulized in the US. Surgical masks (not N95) are made in China or cotton from the US is sent to Mexico to be made. There is only one manufacturer of US surgical masks and he is supplying a few Texas hospitals. He tried surging his production once but the clients went back to China after a prior epidemic. In both cases, the Chinese have cheaper labor and purposefully have undercut US manufacturers so that they fold.

If the US wants security of supply, people will have to pay more or the government will have to provide incentives and subsidies to keep manufacture and surge capacity needed.

The Roundtable also mentioned that all the FDA inspectors (and other American inspectors) have been evacuated. If the Chinese start up again, they will feed their own people's need first. Then the Indian's will feed theirs and no one will be examining quality. (As it is, they require months notice for an inspection of Chinese facilities.)

Plans require drug companies to have identified alternate suppliers, but who knows if those are current or robust.

They talked about watching Singapore and the cruise ships for better info on how the disease behaves. Hopes that this will die out in hotter weather are not bearing out in Singapore where the temps are in the 80s and 90s right now. They said that the Chinese had the capacity to test only about 3000 people a day and did not waste testing on people who had died before they were tested.

They anticipate that in the next two weeks they will start seeing some community clusters of H2H transmission not caught in the traveler quarantines. They will move on to trying to control those clusters from spreading.

One woman was very concerned about surge capacity in hospitals, saying there isn't any. The hope is that they can slow the manifestation of this down enough so that they can find some interventions/treatments. It will be 1-2 years for a possible vaccine.

A lot was about the public health system, inconsistent funding, gaps in responsibilities and authorities.
 
SmithJ

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TrueNorthNomads said:
I’m sorry; I don’t know Nightwolf. I’ll stand by my proclamation... unless and until we find out something drastically different about this virus that we don’t know now.

Sláinte!

Kathy.
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If dead bodies weren’t able to carry contagions then there would be no need for researchers to dig up corpses to recover live samples of the Spanish flu from 1918. Your “proclamation” is wrong.

www.sciencedaily.com

Scientists Describe How 1918 Influenza Virus Sample Was Exhumed In Alaska

In an article in the journal Antiviral Therapy, scientists at NIAID narrate the story of how scientists discovered samples of the 1918 strain in fixed autopsy tissues and in the body of a woman buried in the Alaskan permafrost. The article places this discovery in the context of decades of...
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“In a mass grave in a remote Inuit village near the town of Brevig Mission, a large Inuit woman lay buried under more than six feet of ice and dirt for more than 75 years. The permafrost plus the woman's ample fat stores kept the virus in her lungs so well preserved that when a team of scientists exhumed her body in the late 1990s, they could recover enough viral RNA to sequence the 1918 strain in its entirety. This remarkable good fortune enabled these scientists to open a window onto a past pandemic--and perhaps gain a foothold for preventing a future one.”
 
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mudlogger

mudlogger

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I just went to alldaychemist...wow, is it fast. The website has been totally revamped.

Here's the important part, though...quantities are very limited. I was ordering 15 steroidal inhalers for my husband (the max allowed) and now the limit is 3. Same thing with his bp meds, 3 mo allowed, vs the 15 mo I ordered Sunday.
 
pops88

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TrueNorthNomads said:
I’m sorry; I don’t know Nightwolf. I’ll stand by my proclamation... unless and until we find out something drastically different about this virus that we don’t know now.

Sláinte!

Kathy.
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If the virus is airborne then, yes, they will still be infectious after death. They'll still have residual gasses being expelled from their lungs and GI tract, and virus particles breathed onto their clothes, skin, etc. can become dislodged.

Patricia, RN
 
Jubilee on Earth

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bev said:
Old Archer, I’m quite fond of you and usually like your posts, but all of a sudden, you’re talking like ... well, you know. I don’t know why - maybe it was mentioned a couple of hundred pages ago - you feel the need to do this. I just wanted to kindly let you know that it takes MUCH longer to read and comprehend your posts, so KNOCK IT OFF!

There may or may not be another member or three that are doing the same thing. This request goes for them as well.

Love ya, OA!
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Yeah, to be honest (while hopefully still kind) I just blow past their posts and comments. I don’t have the time or desire to try to decipher it.
 
Lilbitsnana

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BREAKING: Japan reports 1st death from coronavirus
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The victim is a woman in her 80s near Tokyo - NHK


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This is also a new case. The elderly woman had already died when she tested positive for coronavirus - Kyodo


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The woman who died of coronavirus had never left the country and it's unknown how she was infected - NHK
 
ChicagoMan74

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OldArcher said:
Yep. As sure as God made little green apples, ya can't deny what is, cause ya don't like it...

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Naw...sorry old timer...the 42 day incubation has nothing to do with God, green apples, or anything that I like...its quite simply fake news, speculative fear mongering, fatalistic wishing, and woo. Don't lose any sleep over it.
 
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colonel holman

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They werent recovery live samples. they were after dead samples to get their DNA sequences, just like thye can get DNA samples from long dead extinct animals and plants to Id DNA sequences, even from Neaderthals. Another issue if viruses are only borderline life-forms, unable to be killed by antibiotics. UV light and a few chemicals like some alcohols can stop their replication. That too; they don’t reproduce, they replicate.
 
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rondaben

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Ragnarok said:
I love and appreciate your posts but one thing I will never do is get a flu shot...
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It's a different flu shot. H. Flu is a bacteria. It's what gave us earaches when we were kids. It can also play a role in pneumonia in some populations and is pretty much required if you have had a spleen removed.

Influenza virus vaccine is +/-.
 
Lilbitsnana

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BNO Newsroom@BNODesk
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NEW: Japan reports another case of coronavirus in a man in his 20s; it's unknown how he was infected


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Japan has reported 4 new cases of coronavirus in the past few hours. In all 4 cases it's not clear how they were infected.

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NEW: Huanggang, a city of 6 million people near Wuhan, will tighten its lockdown at midnight to ban people from leaving their home; basic needs will be provided by the local government
 
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raven

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Ragnarok said:
It's not petty...

To be able to break up words and entire sentences like this, with the correct punctuation and emphasis, cannot be attributed to a stroke. I might believe it more if he didn't place the apostrophes EXACTLY where they needed to be to make the phonetic understandable.

See the following:




- Thanks, marsh... Takin' yer advice. OA, out...

- Maybe that was it!!! Two strokes an' a seizure have scrambled ma brains a bit... That's wi' tongue in cheek, o' course... Thanks fer the remind, Troke! Greatly appreciated... Whys ah heard it, samples went ta th' military labs... 'Course, I'd be lots happier, if'n I knew one way or t'other... Not knowin' is drivin' me crackers... Again, thanks, Troke... Ta quote Dan Quayle, "A mind is a terrible thing ta waste..." Er, somethin' like that...

- Hell, th' way things look, there'll be more jobs than people!

- IF they have valid test kits, an' they don't continue ta jigger the numbers...

- JIT HAS failed. Th' tail ain't jest reached where the head is... Th' body's still a wigglin,' an' "experts" think it's still alive...




I don't know if he is trying to be the new Dobbin or a modern day Samuel Clemons but it is annoying and reduces all credibility he may have had. And, I used to hold Old Archer on a pedestal. It takes a concerted effort to post like that...
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Ah una'stan' 'im pr'fek - unsur 'xatly wha' tha bef is - du 'lucy'date
 
Lilbitsnana

Lilbitsnana

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Border Collie Dad said:
Only one death outside China.

Something isn't fitting the narrative
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Two deaths. One in Japan and one in Philippines..

ETA: I saw a tweet saying three deaths outside China now but they did not list the countries. I only saw two listed at the BNO site.

bnonews.com

Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline

The table below shows cases of coronavirus (officially known as SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19, or 2019-nCoV) around the world. Each figure is verified by our team through local health departments or local media. A distribution map and a timeline with a list of recent updates can be found below the table...
bnonews.com bnonews.com
 
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mudlogger said:
I just went to alldaychemist...wow, is it fast. The website has been totally revamped.

Here's the important part, though...quantities are very limited. I was ordering 15 steroidal inhalers for my husband (the max allowed) and now the limit is 3. Same thing with his bp meds, 3 mo allowed, vs the 15 mo I ordered Sunday.
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I've been expecting that. Thankful I squeezed one last order in... this coukd get ugly FAST.
Summerthyme
 
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northern watch

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BNO Newsroom‏Verified account @BNODesk now

BNO Newsroom Retweeted BNO Newsroom

People who leave their home without permission will be detained, according to the announcement in Dawu County. It follows a similar announcement from Zhangwan District in Shiyan.
 
Melodi

Melodi

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northern watch said:
Vincent Lee‏Verified account @Rover829 2h2 hours ago

Reuters: RUSSIA'S GAZRPOM SAYS SUSPENDS TALKS ON NEW GAS ROUTES TO CHINA DUE TO CORONAVIRUS
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This is huge, I did wonder when this would start to seriously affect the "belt and road" linking China to Europe via Southern (Middle Eastern) and Northern (Russian area) routes.

As for the body question, I'll ask Nightwolf (my husband with several years of medical school and decided to go into medical research rather than clinical practice) when he comes up for air while writing the medical textbook chapter on epidemiology with his Dad (a former internationally known researcher) to be sure.

But I believe he said what another poster said, that if a virus is airborne like smallpox or Corona-Chan, then the gasses committed by the body can be contagious for some time after death.

This is true in some other diseases (like Ebola) which is why some African burial practices are so dangerous in terms of spreading the disease.

Again, Nightwolf said his first hint that this current virus was airborne was when a doctor in the UK published online (in a medical forum) the "classified" official NHS recommendations on how to deal with an outbreak which included considering the dead to be still infective and to be treated with certain protocols that anyone with medical training would recognize.

These are NOT standard because usually in the short-term dead bodies are not especially a problem as long as they are properly stored (cold) and cared for.

But I'll see if I can get a link/reference from him later - I am not the one with the medical training, I just grew up in a medical family and married into one.
 
Jubilee on Earth

Jubilee on Earth

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Border Collie Dad said:
Only one death outside China.

Something isn't fitting the narrative
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I think the incubation or transmission period must be longer than most people realize. Think about this. The first (reported) Wuhan Chinese death was on January 10th, when they had about 50 or so confirmed cases. That is almost exactly where Hong Kong is right now. So it took a month for HK's population to reach the same kind of timeline as China. Using that very loose example, by the middle of March, one would expect Hong Kong's numbers to be representative of where China is today.

Given that the US and other countries are in much farther in geographic proximity than Hong Kong is to China, I would extend that timeline out a little for the rest of the world. With that, if the spread continues, we likely won't see exponential growth in North American numbers for at least another 6 weeks. Maybe longer.

Good for additional time to prep, not good at all for the economy or for the die-out of this virus. This thing could knock our planet on its knees for at least a year, maybe more. Especially if warm summer weather doesn't kill it.
 
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Melodi

Melodi

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Oh I forgot to mention this before, but on the death count in China.

Nightwolf told me about three weeks ago that he expected China to keep fudging the numbers as long as they could, then have a week or two of nearly impossible rises (but still really low ball figures) and then suddenly when they couldn't hide it anymore, they would "change methods" or "just discover" thousand or more cases - which is exactly what they did.

I had already been thinking along these lines but he put it better than I did, I'm sorry he seems to be correct as he would have loved to be wrong on this.

But the way the Chinese behaved from the moment this was public screamed thousands or millions of deaths, not a few hundred.
 
Tristan

Tristan

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FreeSpace said:
The pneumonia shot is not for the viral version.
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True, but perhaps it will prevent a case of the 'normal' pneumonia, and thereby help reduce the load on the medical system during this potentially quite trying time...

Same with other prophylactic treatments/immunizations - reduce the case load to maximize the available resources.
 
alpha

alpha

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I've been tracking the "official" numbers out of China/World via BNO newsdesk for a few weeks now, and was keeping a spreadsheet updated with that data. Now that they've changed the entire reporting scheme, I can't make heads or tails out of the numbers! Is it me, or have they really camouflaged their reporting so well that nobody can make any sense of it? If any of you fine folks has an idea as to yesterday's running total of:

dead​
recovered​
suspected​
confirmed​
total cases​

either in China or Worldwide, please bail me out here... I'm flummoxed!
 
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rlm1966

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It appears to me that China has basically screwed the entire globe over with their experiment gone wild and that perhaps it is best to shut down all dealings with China until they come under new leadership and remove any and all weapons of mass destruction including biological and nuclear as they are obviously not ready to practice safe handling of dangerous materials.
 
Tristan

Tristan

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northern watch said:
Squawk Box‏Verified account @SquawkCNBC 1h1 hour ago

“There are plenty of theories out there because Wuhan does have a P4 lab … maybe this was man-made and there’s a theory that this could have been part of a bioweapons program. But that’s just a theory,” says @onlyyoontv on the #coronavirus.
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Boy, the talking head was really uncomfortable even bringing it up.

The effort to manage the message begins!
 
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jaw1969

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northern watch said:
BNO Newsroom‏Verified account @BNODesk 4m4 minutes ago

NEW: Huanggang, a city of 6 million people near Wuhan, will tighten its lockdown at midnight to ban people from leaving their home; basic needs will be provided by the local government
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How does any government provide for the needs of 6 million people door-to-door The logistics of that are literally unbelievable...They're going to let this city starve
 
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Troke

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Melodi said:
Oh I forgot to mention this before, but on the death count in China.

Nightwolf told me about three weeks ago that he expected China to keep fudging the numbers as long as they could, then have a week or two of nearly impossible rises (but still really low ball figures) and then suddenly when they couldn't hide it anymore, they would "change methods" or "just discover" thousand or more cases - which is exactly what they did.

I had already been thinking along these lines but he put it better than I did, I'm sorry he seems to be correct as he would have loved to be wrong on this.

But the way the Chinese behaved from the moment this was public screamed thousands or millions of deaths, not a few hundred.
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This is what puzzled me. They went from stand-still to overdrive in one smooth move leading me to believe it was alot more dangerous than claimed. I am not sure it is the death rate. I think it may be the infection rate. A death rate of 1% is still a lot of corpses from 10 million infected people.
 
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jaw1969

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I'm just going to say right now the writing is on the wall folks. The CDC has come out and told Congress they are expecting hundreds of thousands of cases in the United States they've stated that they have MISSED 75% of the infected people that have come to the United States .It's here.
Our military has activated its pandemic preparedness plan..If you read that plan they're getting ready to start declaring martial law here in the United States. Our military does not mess around .You will be staying in your home if they say so That's a fact.Prepare now or don't at your own peril and your families.
 
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pinkelsteinsmom said:
Part 4 Wuhan coronavirus: Japan's Demon Of BioWar Kawaoka Inserted HIV Force Multipliers Inside The Wuhan Virus

Creation of Wuhan CoV as a war crime

By grafting HIV proteins into a flu virus, renegade researcher Yoshihiro Kawaoka not only increased a dormant virus’s ability to replicate but, in the process of repeating this technique in his subsequent virus research, has unleashed ruthlessly aggressive hybrids with massive killing power as seen in the unstoppable slaughter of innocents in Wuhan. The exponential expansion of the death toll in China, soon to be repeated in other countries, proves that a persistent laxity of ethical standards in the major powers, and abysmal performance of the WHO, has enabled a maniacal campaign of extermination by the heirs of Unit 731 to realize their mission of genocide. The lawless pharmaceuticals, insane vaccinators and rogue microbiologists must be stopped in their tracks or humanity will face its final solution.


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rlm1966

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The really scary part is the new General in charge of this stated that things should get better for a short period of time and then get much worse. At this point it is pretty apparent that this was/is a biological weapon that went hot and got free and they know just how bad it is going to get.

I may be wrong, but I thought/believe that it was stated US policy that if you attacked with a biological weapon we made mushroom clouds on your country. Does that apply to screw up releases of biological weapons.

Seriously China has totally f'ed the world over by incompetence or on purpose but in either case a lot of innocents are paying and will continue to pay the price.
 
20Gauge

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jward said:
HOTLINES OVERWHELMED
The hotlines are part of the government’s “first level response” for dealing with the psychological impact of major health emergencies, a strategy that was first deployed following the 2008 Sichuan earthquake, a disaster in which 87,150 people were killed or listed as missing.
The National Health Commission said more than 300 hotlines had launched across the country to provide mental health advice related to coronavirus, with support from university psychology departments, counseling services and NGOs.
They have been inundated by callers in a country which has just 2.2 psychiatrists available for every 100,000 people, according to WHO data, five times fewer than in the United States.
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They must not have expected so many to call in. They should have done what they did in the past, just cut the phone lines and declare a success.
 
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