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Capt. Eddie
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IRRC there was one that was "cured" by an experimental Ebola drug a few days ago, I want to say Thailand.
Mark D
Now running for Emperor.
In a "Perfect" world, it would be today. I'd wager the cruise lines are sharpening their pencils at this very moment.
And, from the world of Anonymous...
The spooky thing is, if the calcs ARE indeed correct, the number lines up with the estimates people have been making based off the last week's worth of anecdotal evidence.
Tarryn
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Red Cross official fired for failures at China virus epicentre
Medical staff in protective clothing delivering supplies to the Wuhan Red Cross Hospital
A top Red Cross official working at the epicentre of China's coronavirus outbreak was dismissed for dereliction of duty, authorities said Tuesday, following local anger over a lack of access to donated medical equipment.
Hubei Red Cross Vice President Zhang Qin was fired for "dereliction of duty while receiving and distributing donated funds and goods", according to a statement on the Hubei province party discipline commission's website.
Two other officials received disciplinary warnings for the same charge, it added.
The local chapter of the charity was the target of online anger last week as social media users and Chinese media asked why frontline doctors in the stricken province were still under-equipped despite donations pouring in.
Under local law, Chinese authorities supervise the charity's "performance of its functions and duties... and exercise supervision over its activities".
Many on the Twitter-like Weibo platform asked if Wuhan, the province's capital, was a "black hole" with one user commenting that "the whole country and the whole world's supplies and masks aren't enough to supply one city and one province".
The novel coronavirus has killed more than 400 people and infected a further 20,000 in China, with most of the deaths and infections reported in Hubei province, where the virus emerged at a Wuhan market in December.
The Red Cross Society of China said it had received 849 million yuan ($121 million) in cash donations as well as supplies as of January 31.
Chinese news outlet Caixin reported on Saturday that Red Cross warehouses in Wuhan were full of donated supplies, including medical masks, but local hospitals still had to wait for hours to receive small amounts of equipment.
Secretary-general Jagan Chapagain told AFP on Monday that he supported the "deliberate" decision by Red Cross officials to withhold a number of the donated masks in Wuhan because they were not safe for use by health professionals working on the frontline.
"Clearly the Wuhan Red Cross hasn't dealt with this type of situation recently, (and) they had to massively scale up in a short period of time, so to have some shortcomings is not totally unnatural," he added.
The organisation said on Sunday it was sending personnel from its headquarters to Wuhan in order to "ensure that the use of donated funds and materials is standardized, efficient, open and transparent".
On Tuesday China's National Health Commission admitted it was still facing "supply and demand conflicts" regarding protective gear, namely masks and suits, in Hubei.
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Medical staff in protective clothing delivering supplies to the Wuhan Red Cross Hospital
A top Red Cross official working at the epicentre of China's coronavirus outbreak was dismissed for dereliction of duty, authorities said Tuesday, following local anger over a lack of access to donated medical equipment.
Hubei Red Cross Vice President Zhang Qin was fired for "dereliction of duty while receiving and distributing donated funds and goods", according to a statement on the Hubei province party discipline commission's website.
Two other officials received disciplinary warnings for the same charge, it added.
The local chapter of the charity was the target of online anger last week as social media users and Chinese media asked why frontline doctors in the stricken province were still under-equipped despite donations pouring in.
Under local law, Chinese authorities supervise the charity's "performance of its functions and duties... and exercise supervision over its activities".
Many on the Twitter-like Weibo platform asked if Wuhan, the province's capital, was a "black hole" with one user commenting that "the whole country and the whole world's supplies and masks aren't enough to supply one city and one province".
The novel coronavirus has killed more than 400 people and infected a further 20,000 in China, with most of the deaths and infections reported in Hubei province, where the virus emerged at a Wuhan market in December.
The Red Cross Society of China said it had received 849 million yuan ($121 million) in cash donations as well as supplies as of January 31.
Chinese news outlet Caixin reported on Saturday that Red Cross warehouses in Wuhan were full of donated supplies, including medical masks, but local hospitals still had to wait for hours to receive small amounts of equipment.
Secretary-general Jagan Chapagain told AFP on Monday that he supported the "deliberate" decision by Red Cross officials to withhold a number of the donated masks in Wuhan because they were not safe for use by health professionals working on the frontline.
"Clearly the Wuhan Red Cross hasn't dealt with this type of situation recently, (and) they had to massively scale up in a short period of time, so to have some shortcomings is not totally unnatural," he added.
The organisation said on Sunday it was sending personnel from its headquarters to Wuhan in order to "ensure that the use of donated funds and materials is standardized, efficient, open and transparent".
On Tuesday China's National Health Commission admitted it was still facing "supply and demand conflicts" regarding protective gear, namely masks and suits, in Hubei.
tjx-ewx/rma
What gubmint we talking about?
20Gauge
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I expect that may be true. Yet we never seem to have enough of Tamiflu, so it won't do the masses any good. The best you can do is get sick early and get good care. If you are late to the party, then you may not make it home after....
Texican
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Dennis,
In the text box that you are reading there is a "+QUOTE" button and a "REPLY" button.
right click the Quote button first and the Reply button second. A new text box comes up with the text in quote mode and you are ready to comment....
Now, it will not include any quotes in the original text....
Texican....
Tarryn
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This thread about the cruise ship is interesting.
So one traveler on a previous trip resulted in 10 people sick.
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1224840625373229056
UPDATE: 10 people on cruise ship near Tokyo test positive for coronavirus - Kyodo
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Officials began screening passengers of the "Diamond Princess" after learning that a Hong Kong traveler with coronavirus had previously been on board - NHK
So one traveler on a previous trip resulted in 10 people sick.
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Officials began screening passengers of the "Diamond Princess" after learning that a Hong Kong traveler with coronavirus had previously been on board - NHK
blackjeep
The end times are here.
You don't need to use both +Quote and Reply. If you're responding to one post, just hit reply. The +Quote is for multiple quotes on multiple posts.
Or, did you know that already and I misunderstood??
blackjeep
The end times are here.
Quarantining all those people on that ship would be quite a sizable task!This thread about the cruise ship is interesting.
So one traveler on a previous trip resulted in 10 people sick.
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1224840625373229056
UPDATE: 10 people on cruise ship near Tokyo test positive for coronavirus - Kyodo
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BREAKING: Multiple people with coronavirus on cruise ship off Yokohama, Japan; 10 people taken to hospital - NHK
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Officials began screening passengers of the "Diamond Princess" after learning that a Hong Kong traveler with coronavirus had previously been on board - NHK
Info like this seems to ramp up the pucker factor a bit!!
danielboon
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INDEED
20Gauge
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Think about it.... outside of China we are often seeing 1 to 5 or 10 infection rate..... that does not bode well for China, that is for sure....
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
They have to be kept under observation for at least 72 hours. If I remember correctly, one of the hallmarks of this virus ( and SARS ) was feeling as if you had recovered for 3 days and then the return of much worse symptoms.
So, is it the drugs that are working or the natural life of the virus? Does it go "dormant" for 72 hours ( giving the appearance that the drugs are working ) while it is gearing up for the death blow?
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
This thread about the cruise ship is interesting.
So one traveler on a previous trip resulted in 10 people sick.
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1224840625373229056
UPDATE: 10 people on cruise ship near Tokyo test positive for coronavirus - Kyodo
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BNO Newsroom
@BNODesk
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BREAKING: Multiple people with coronavirus on cruise ship off Yokohama, Japan; 10 people taken to hospital - NHK
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Officials began screening passengers of the "Diamond Princess" after learning that a Hong Kong traveler with coronavirus had previously been on board - NHK
Okay, THE Coronavirus, or A coronavirus?
Tarryn
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View: https://mobile.twitter.com/benonwine/status/1224838593862127617
A Wuhan doctor's conversation leaked: “Emergency ward becomes mortuary, nobody handles the bodies, crematorium too busy. Many #coronavirus patients pushed away without being tested or diagnosed”. (Reported by Jennifer Zeng)
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A Wuhan doctor's conversation leaked: “Emergency ward becomes mortuary, nobody handles the bodies, crematorium too busy. Many #coronavirus patients pushed away without being tested or diagnosed”. (Reported by Jennifer Zeng)
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Tarryn
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The wuhan novel coronavirus. Found a larger story.
Princess Cruises quarantines 3,700 for two weeks on ship after 10 passengers test positive for new coronavirus
Princess Cruises quarantines 3,700 for two weeks on ship after 10 passengers test positive for new coronavirus
PUBLISHED TUE, FEB 4 20206:54 PM EST
William Feuer@WILLFOIA
- Princess Cruises said it has placed 3,700 passengers and crew under mandatory quarantine after ten passengers aboard a cruise ship in Yokohama tested positive for the new coronavirus.
- The company said Monday that a previous guest, who didn’t have any symptoms while aboard the ship, tested positive for the coronavirus on Saturday.
- The ship was being held in Japan for 24 hours while Japanese health authorities assessed the 3,700 passengers and crew on board.
A small boat is pictured next to the Diamond Princess cruise ship with over 3,000 people as it sits anchored in quarantine off the port of Yokohama on February 4, 2020, a day after it arrived with passengers feeling ill.
Behrouz Mehri | AFP | Getty Images
Princess Cruises said it has placed 3,700 passengers and crew under mandatory quarantine for two weeks after ten passengers aboard a cruise ship in Yokohama tested positive for the new coronavirus.
The company said Monday that a previous guest, who didn’t have any symptoms while aboard the ship, tested positive for the coronavirus on Saturday — six days after leaving the ship. The ship was being held in Japan for 24 hours while Japanese health authorities assessed the 3,700 passengers and crew on board.
“These 10 persons, who have been notified, will be taken ashore by Japanese Coast Guard watercraft and transported to local hospitals for care by shoreside Japanese medical professionals,” the company said.
The ship will be quarantined for 14 days, the company said.
“The first phase of health screening of all guests and crew onboard Diamond Princess, by the Japanese Ministry of Health, has been completed,” the company said in a statement. “We were notified that amongst the samples that have completed testing,10 people have tested positive for coronavirus.”
marsh
On TB every waking moment
When they analyze the spread, it appears to come back to patient #1 who contracted the disease in Nov 2019 and was unconnected with the wet seafood market. I believe it was not until around patient #3 when the market became involved. (The market was not the origin, but may have facilitated the spread.) This points to one infected carrier - whether by close proximity to the spill over infected animal or unintentional/intentional release from the lab.
I am interested in the current mutations, which all appear to be from the same location on the RNA. Is that usual? Could it be pre-programmed to delay a morph into something more lethal? If not, perhaps it will morph into something less lethal but more contagious for a longer time in order to survive and propagate, as is it's life mission.
marsh
On TB every waking moment
Best explanation yet. Raven, you are a romantic and a natural storyteller.
I do believe Clorox has been trading well assume 3 M is a tremendous buy
you might like the story where the shy science nerd in the biohazard lab fell in love with that Greta chick with the Nobel Prize and wanted to impress her by reducing world population by 50%
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
So they get another 10 -14 days cruise. I am not sure it will be worth it. It reminds me of those disaster movies from the early 80s. Like EARTHQUAKE or the Towering Inferno.The wuhan novel coronavirus. Found a larger story.
Princess Cruises quarantines 3,700 for two weeks on ship after 10 passengers test positive for new coronavirus
Princess Cruises quarantines 3,700 for two weeks on ship after 10 passengers test positive for new coronavirus
PUBLISHED TUE, FEB 4 20206:54 PM EST
William Feuer@WILLFOIA
KEY POINTS
- Princess Cruises said it has placed 3,700 passengers and crew under mandatory quarantine after ten passengers aboard a cruise ship in Yokohama tested positive for the new coronavirus.
- The company said Monday that a previous guest, who didn’t have any symptoms while aboard the ship, tested positive for the coronavirus on Saturday.
- The ship was being held in Japan for 24 hours while Japanese health authorities assessed the 3,700 passengers and crew on board.
A small boat is pictured next to the Diamond Princess cruise ship with over 3,000 people as it sits anchored in quarantine off the port of Yokohama on February 4, 2020, a day after it arrived with passengers feeling ill.
Behrouz Mehri | AFP | Getty Images
Princess Cruises said it has placed 3,700 passengers and crew under mandatory quarantine for two weeks after ten passengers aboard a cruise ship in Yokohama tested positive for the new coronavirus.
The company said Monday that a previous guest, who didn’t have any symptoms while aboard the ship, tested positive for the coronavirus on Saturday — six days after leaving the ship. The ship was being held in Japan for 24 hours while Japanese health authorities assessed the 3,700 passengers and crew on board.
“These 10 persons, who have been notified, will be taken ashore by Japanese Coast Guard watercraft and transported to local hospitals for care by shoreside Japanese medical professionals,” the company said.
The ship will be quarantined for 14 days, the company said.
“The first phase of health screening of all guests and crew onboard Diamond Princess, by the Japanese Ministry of Health, has been completed,” the company said in a statement. “We were notified that amongst the samples that have completed testing,10 people have tested positive for coronavirus.”
I *think* (reading way too much and in a hurry... meatworld is crazy lately as well) besides his apparent physical recovery, his tests also changed to negative. But I could be wrong about that...
Summerthyme
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
The wuhan novel coronavirus. Found a larger story.
Princess Cruises quarantines 3,700 for two weeks on ship after 10 passengers test positive for new coronavirus
Princess Cruises quarantines 3,700 for two weeks on ship after 10 passengers test positive for new coronavirus
PUBLISHED TUE, FEB 4 20206:54 PM EST
William Feuer@WILLFOIA
KEY POINTS
- Princess Cruises said it has placed 3,700 passengers and crew under mandatory quarantine after ten passengers aboard a cruise ship in Yokohama tested positive for the new coronavirus.
- The company said Monday that a previous guest, who didn’t have any symptoms while aboard the ship, tested positive for the coronavirus on Saturday.
- The ship was being held in Japan for 24 hours while Japanese health authorities assessed the 3,700 passengers and crew on board.
A small boat is pictured next to the Diamond Princess cruise ship with over 3,000 people as it sits anchored in quarantine off the port of Yokohama on February 4, 2020, a day after it arrived with passengers feeling ill.
Behrouz Mehri | AFP | Getty Images
Princess Cruises said it has placed 3,700 passengers and crew under mandatory quarantine for two weeks after ten passengers aboard a cruise ship in Yokohama tested positive for the new coronavirus.
The company said Monday that a previous guest, who didn’t have any symptoms while aboard the ship, tested positive for the coronavirus on Saturday — six days after leaving the ship. The ship was being held in Japan for 24 hours while Japanese health authorities assessed the 3,700 passengers and crew on board.
“These 10 persons, who have been notified, will be taken ashore by Japanese Coast Guard watercraft and transported to local hospitals for care by shoreside Japanese medical professionals,” the company said.
The ship will be quarantined for 14 days, the company said.
“The first phase of health screening of all guests and crew onboard Diamond Princess, by the Japanese Ministry of Health, has been completed,” the company said in a statement. “We were notified that amongst the samples that have completed testing,10 people have tested positive for coronavirus.”
Thank you. I was hoping otherwise. At least they're quarantined, hopefully they'll do okay.
marsh
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There already is a tightening of information on social media. Twitter accounts are being systematically shut down, like Zerohedge and some personal accounts, as well as the leakers from China. Youtube pushes "official mainstream" sources on virus news and you really have to work hard, now, to find anything else that is not in another language. Information is tight as a drum, which only leads to distrust when the information actually released is a carefully controlled narrative.
Of course, I am an OCD, innately curious, INTJ researcher who gets an adrenaline rush from finding and sharing information and gaming scenarios. Always have been. At least, back in my day, when I was making important decisions for thousands of others, they knew I had "done my homework."
Chance
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There goes their pharmaceutical hub! Drugs will soon be in short supply!(fair use applies)
Alibaba HQ In Hanzhou And Other Cities In Zhejiang Into Lockdown An Hour Ago As Coronavirus Is Rapidly Spreading - Thailand Medical News
The coronavirus is fast spreading all over China with nothing that resembles a country whose government has got things under control. Certain International organizations are also making fake statements that things are under control in China when in reality just ask any doctor or health...www.thailandmedical.news
Alibaba HQ In Hanzhou And Other Cities In Zhejiang Into Lockdown An Hour Ago As Coronavirus Is Rapidly Spreading
Source: Thailand Medical News Feb 05, 2020
The coronavirus is fast spreading all over China with nothing that resembles a country whose government has got things under control. Certain International organizations are also making fake statements that things are under control in China when in reality just ask any doctor or health professional or any person on the street in any province.
Literally all 33,427 hospitals in China are overflowing with patients and medical supplies are running out everywhere, patients are being turned away and there is literally not much test kits for the coronavirus.
New epicenters have sprung up in cities like Zhejiang, Chongqing, Henan and Hunan. Zheqiang and Chongqing are now the worst hit with many cities in those provinces looking exactly like Wuhan now. Thousands are sick with the coronavirus and are in critical condition.
As of midnight on Tuesday, the government hurriedly closed and placed under lockdown even the Zhejiang cities of Taizhou, Ningbo, Wenzhou and also Hanzhou, home to tech giant Alibaba.
More than 24 million people will be affected just in Zhejiang alone, adding to tens of millions of people already affected by shutdowns in other cities.
Under new rules imposed in Zhejiang, only allow one person per household to go outside every two days to buy necessities, city officials said.
All transportation is banned and all offices, factories, schools, shops are all to be closed.
In addition, residential communities will only be allowed to use one entrance and residents must present ID each time they come or go, Zhejiang’s government said on its official WeChat account.
Landlords were also forbidden from renting property to people from "severely affected areas such as Hubei" if they have travelled to their hometowns recently, it added.
In the Hangzhou districts, additional measures included mandatory mask-wearing and compulsory ID and temperature checks.
Zhejiang, the eastern province in which these cities sit has confirmed 829 cases, the highest number outside central Hubei province, the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak and where more than 50 million people are under lockdown.
However many doctors are saying that the numbers infected with the coronavirus in Zhejiang could be thousands as all the hospitals are overflowing with patients just like Wuhan and other cities in the initial stages of the epidemic. The problem is that there are not enough test kits and assay reagents. Doctors have also reported hundreds of deaths in Zhejiang over the last 4 days but again these figures are not added to the daily tolls announced by the Health officials as the dead were never tested and it is not known if they had the coronavirus as China’s stringent death and disease reporting protocol dictates that no death or infected numbers can be added on unless the infected parties or the dead had been previously tested.!
Chongqing will most likely be the next province to be placed under lockdown while there are some speculations that the government is planning a total nationwide shutdown with the exception of critical services and also certain factories and farms sometime by the 13th should things not get better.
It seems that the situation in China is seemingly getting worse day by day despite whatever claims can be made.
For accurate updates about the China coronavirus epidemic or the Thailand Coronavirus scenario, keep on checking at: Thailand Coronavirus News - Thailand Medical News
Oookaay... so, if "all 33,427 hospitals" are overflowing with patients, how many do we want to guess per hospital? Even if it's only ten per hospital, that gives us 334,270 cases! Er, China? Would you like to start telling the truth?
Summerthyme
marsh
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Wow, did you see that row of gurney after gurney with body bags? I also noted the car that crashed through the barrier. Last night there was a video of a family escaping by climbing over one of those high road barriers. Looks like people are beginning to get restless over being locked up in a death city.View attachment 181647
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MENU Sign In Coronavirus Add to myFT WHO expert says China too slow to report coronavirus cases Emergency committee member hits out at Beijing’s ‘reprehensible’ response A worker sets up beds at a stadium that has been converted into a temporary hospital in Wuhan, the centre of the coronavirus outbreak © Reuters Primrose Riordan and Sue-Lin Wong in Hong Kong 8 HOURS AGO6 A member of the World Health Organization’s emergency committee on coronavirus has accused .nina of not reporting cases fast enough in the early stages of the outbreak, raising fresh questions about Beijing’s response to the health emergency. John Mackenzie, emeritus professor at Curtin University, said it defied logic that there was no increase in new cases at the same time that Chinese officials were holding local political meetings in January. “There must have been more cases happening that we weren’t being told about. I think they tried to keep the figures quiet for a while because of some major meeting they had in Wuhan but I think there was a period of very poor reporting, or very poor communication,” he said, calling Beijing’s response “reprehensible”.
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“I think [China] were very quick to let WHO know . . . about it being a novel disease, they were very quick in being able to isolate the virus and share the genome sequence but I think on some of the more government public health type issues, they have been rather recalcitrant.” Prof Mackenzie’s comments come even as Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the WHO, has praised China’s response, saying Beijing had “helped prevent the spread of coronavirus to other countries”. The emergency committee recently said the outbreak should be declared a “public health emergency of international concern”, a designation that enabled better international co-ordination between governments. The decision came after the WHO was split over whether to make such a declaration. The virus was identified and reported to the WHO at the end of December, China moved to stop all travel in and out of Wuhan on January 23, after millions had already left the province. But there have been differences between countries in how those who have visited the city have been quarantined. Some countries, such as the US and Australia, have imposed a travel ban on foreign nationals who have recently visited China.
Prof Mackenzie said if more confirmed cases had been reported, it may have led to greater international pressure on Beijing to introduce more controls. “There was a period there I think, had they been a bit stronger earlier on they might have been able to restrict the number of cases not only in China but also overseas,” he said.
“Other countries could have been a little bit more careful at monitoring people into that country, knowing where they were and following up in case they are sick.” He added that it was possible the virus had been transmitted as early as November, according to some modelling
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MENU Sign In Coronavirus Add to myFT WHO expert says China too slow to report coronavirus cases Emergency committee member hits out at Beijing’s ‘reprehensible’ response A worker sets up beds at a stadium that has been converted into a temporary hospital in Wuhan, the centre of the coronavirus outbreak © Reuters Primrose Riordan and Sue-Lin Wong in Hong Kong 8 HOURS AGO6 A member of the World Health Organization’s emergency committee on coronavirus has accused China of not reporting cases fast enough in the early stages of the outbreak, raising fresh questions about Beijing’s response to the health emergency. John Mackenzie, emeritus professor at Curtin University, said it defied logic that there was no increase in new cases at the same time that Chinese officials were holding local political meetings in January. “There must have been more cases happening that we weren’t being told about. I think they tried to keep the figures quiet for a while because of some major meeting they had in Wuhan but I think there was a period of very poor reporting, or very poor communication,” he said, calling Beijing’s response “reprehensible”. “I think [China] were very quick to let WHO know . . . about it being a novel disease, they were very quick in being able to isolate the virus and share the genome sequence but I think on some of the more government public health type issues, they have been rather recalcitrant.” Prof Mackenzie’s comments come even as Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the WHO, has praised China’s response, saying Beijing had “helped prevent the spread of coronavirus to other countries”. The emergency committee recently said the outbreak should be declared a “public health emergency of international concern”, a designation that enabled better international co-ordination between governments. The decision came after the WHO was split over whether to make such a declaration. The virus was identified and reported to the WHO at the end of December, China moved to stop all travel in and out of Wuhan on January 23, after millions had already left the province. But there have been differences between countries in how those who have visited the city have been quarantined. Some countries, such as the US and Australia, have imposed a travel ban on foreign nationals who have recently visited China. Coronavirus: how far will it spread? Prof Mackenzie said if more confirmed cases had been reported, it may have led to greater international pressure on Beijing to introduce more controls. “There was a period there I think, had they been a bit stronger earlier on they might have been able to restrict the number of cases not only in China but also overseas,” he said. “Other countries could have been a little bit more careful at monitoring people into that country, knowing where they were and following up in case they are sick.” He added that it was possible the virus had been transmitted as early as November, according to some modelling. .
Analysts say local officials are more fearful of being blamed for disasters under President Xi Jinping and there is growing evidence of a crackdown on would-be whistleblowers. In January, Zhou Xianwang, the mayor of Wuhan, admitted that information about the coronavirus was not disclosed in a “timely manner” in the early stages of the outbreak.
In January, Zhou Xianwang, the mayor of Wuhan, admitted that information about the coronavirus was not disclosed in a “timely manner” in the early stages of the outbreak. A public health expert who works with China’s Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and National Health Commission said internal politics were partly to blame. “The broader political climate in China definitely slowed the response rate. Because of Xi and the centralisation of his control, the CDC and Health Commission were more cautious to act initially,” the expert said.
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“I think [China] were very quick to let WHO know . . . about it being a novel disease, they were very quick in being able to isolate the virus and share the genome sequence but I think on some of the more government public health type issues, they have been rather recalcitrant.” Prof Mackenzie’s comments come even as Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the WHO, has praised China’s response, saying Beijing had “helped prevent the spread of coronavirus to other countries”. The emergency committee recently said the outbreak should be declared a “public health emergency of international concern”, a designation that enabled better international co-ordination between governments. The decision came after the WHO was split over whether to make such a declaration. The virus was identified and reported to the WHO at the end of December, China moved to stop all travel in and out of Wuhan on January 23, after millions had already left the province. But there have been differences between countries in how those who have visited the city have been quarantined. Some countries, such as the US and Australia, have imposed a travel ban on foreign nationals who have recently visited China.
Prof Mackenzie said if more confirmed cases had been reported, it may have led to greater international pressure on Beijing to introduce more controls. “There was a period there I think, had they been a bit stronger earlier on they might have been able to restrict the number of cases not only in China but also overseas,” he said.
“Other countries could have been a little bit more careful at monitoring people into that country, knowing where they were and following up in case they are sick.” He added that it was possible the virus had been transmitted as early as November, according to some modelling
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MENU Sign In Coronavirus Add to myFT WHO expert says China too slow to report coronavirus cases Emergency committee member hits out at Beijing’s ‘reprehensible’ response A worker sets up beds at a stadium that has been converted into a temporary hospital in Wuhan, the centre of the coronavirus outbreak © Reuters Primrose Riordan and Sue-Lin Wong in Hong Kong 8 HOURS AGO6 A member of the World Health Organization’s emergency committee on coronavirus has accused China of not reporting cases fast enough in the early stages of the outbreak, raising fresh questions about Beijing’s response to the health emergency. John Mackenzie, emeritus professor at Curtin University, said it defied logic that there was no increase in new cases at the same time that Chinese officials were holding local political meetings in January. “There must have been more cases happening that we weren’t being told about. I think they tried to keep the figures quiet for a while because of some major meeting they had in Wuhan but I think there was a period of very poor reporting, or very poor communication,” he said, calling Beijing’s response “reprehensible”. “I think [China] were very quick to let WHO know . . . about it being a novel disease, they were very quick in being able to isolate the virus and share the genome sequence but I think on some of the more government public health type issues, they have been rather recalcitrant.” Prof Mackenzie’s comments come even as Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the WHO, has praised China’s response, saying Beijing had “helped prevent the spread of coronavirus to other countries”. The emergency committee recently said the outbreak should be declared a “public health emergency of international concern”, a designation that enabled better international co-ordination between governments. The decision came after the WHO was split over whether to make such a declaration. The virus was identified and reported to the WHO at the end of December, China moved to stop all travel in and out of Wuhan on January 23, after millions had already left the province. But there have been differences between countries in how those who have visited the city have been quarantined. Some countries, such as the US and Australia, have imposed a travel ban on foreign nationals who have recently visited China. Coronavirus: how far will it spread? Prof Mackenzie said if more confirmed cases had been reported, it may have led to greater international pressure on Beijing to introduce more controls. “There was a period there I think, had they been a bit stronger earlier on they might have been able to restrict the number of cases not only in China but also overseas,” he said. “Other countries could have been a little bit more careful at monitoring people into that country, knowing where they were and following up in case they are sick.” He added that it was possible the virus had been transmitted as early as November, according to some modelling. .
Analysts say local officials are more fearful of being blamed for disasters under President Xi Jinping and there is growing evidence of a crackdown on would-be whistleblowers. In January, Zhou Xianwang, the mayor of Wuhan, admitted that information about the coronavirus was not disclosed in a “timely manner” in the early stages of the outbreak.
In January, Zhou Xianwang, the mayor of Wuhan, admitted that information about the coronavirus was not disclosed in a “timely manner” in the early stages of the outbreak. A public health expert who works with China’s Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and National Health Commission said internal politics were partly to blame. “The broader political climate in China definitely slowed the response rate. Because of Xi and the centralisation of his control, the CDC and Health Commission were more cautious to act initially,” the expert said.
We never have enough Tamiflu because they give it out like candy!! Grands were sick this winter, didn't test positive for the flu but nurse practitioner gave a prescription for Tamiflu "just in case". DIL was smart enough not to fill it. (OT: Same np who said grandson couldn't be on the autism spectrum "because he's verbal". After the school diagnosed him she said, "Well, that's not a 'real' diagnosis.")
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At some point during the last week, I came across a report that stated Tamiflu was useless for this virus. I'd have to wade through far too much browser history to find the citation, so take this comment for what it's worth. ;-)
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This Doctor Was Vilified After Contracting Ebola. Now He Sees History Repeating Itself With Coronavirus
This Doctor Was Vilified After Contracting Ebola. Now He Sees History Repeating Itself With Coronavirus
Dr. Craig Spencer, who was diagnosed with Ebola in New York City, is viewed at a news conference at New York's Bellevue Hospital after being declared free of the disease on November 11, 2014 in New York City.
Getty Images—2014 Getty Images
By Melissa Chan
February 4, 2020
Panic swept through New York City in fall 2014 when Dr. Craig Spencer became the first person in the giant metropolis to be diagnosed with Ebola. The physician had contracted the deadly disease while helping sick patients in the hard-hit West African country of Guinea as a volunteer.
As Spencer’s liver was failing and his then-fiancée was quarantined in their apartment, the public vilified him, picking apart his previous destinations and activities, including riding the subway and going bowling.
Now, amid another public health emergency as the novel coronavirus outbreak spreads internationally, Spencer says the U.S. is less prepared for a pandemic now than at the end of the Ebola outbreak, and he fears racism and xenophobia will worsen the crisis.
“It’s worrisome,” Spencer tells TIME, echoing experts who’ve expressed concerns about the Trump administration’s ability, and willingness, to ensure there are enough financial and other resources available to fight a pandemic. “We’re in trouble.”
Since the virus was first detected in Wuhan, China, last month, more than 11,000 people have tested positive for it in at least 18 countries, and more than 250 have died. There are at least 11 confirmed cases of the coronavirus in the U.S., according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which has confirmed that person-to-person transmission has occurred.
When the Trump administration announced last week that it would temporarily deny U.S. entry to any foreign national who has been in China and “poses a risk” of transmitting the virus, Spencer had flashbacks of the 2014 Ebola outbreak, which killed more than 11,000 people in Africa.
“For me, it brings up these reminders and memories of what we were doing to people, not only in the U.S. but in West Africa,” says Spencer, 38, the director of global health in emergency medicine at New York-Presbyterian/Columbia University Medical Center. “The way we talked about and treated people during the Ebola outbreak, how we maligned anyone from Africa.”
Spencer was the fourth person diagnosed with Ebola in the U.S. He was treated for about three weeks and released from Bellevue Hospital Center in New York City in November 2014.
Virus Expert on the Wuhan Coronavirus Outbreak: 'Don’t Be Complacent. We Must Treat It Extremely Seriously'
Hong Kong infectious disease expert Yuen Kwok-yung discussed the situation of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak with TIME in an exclusive interview. He warns that the disease is very infectious and control measures must be followed.
During the first few days of his hospitalization, Spencer was widely criticized as “selfish” and a “fraud” for walking amongst members of the public after coming back from West Africa—even though people are not contagious until they develop symptoms, and Spencer had been monitoring his temperature, following federal protocol.
Then-citizen Donald Trump tweeted that Spencer “recklessly flew into New York from West Africa” and “should have known” better. Politicians and public figures pounced, Spencer says, taking advantage of the panic amid election season to impose stringent quarantine measures for health workers returning from Ebola-stricken countries.
It’s just really, really horrible to not be included,” Spencer adds. “We do it with every outbreak.”
Spencer—who studied in China, where he met his wife—fears racism and xenophobia toward the Chinese population will grow, making matters worse if they become less likely to seek care in an attempt to avoid public disdain and quarantine.
“It’s important to never forget the people who are at the epicenter of these outbreaks, the impact it has on their families and their culture,” Spencer says. “These are things that are almost never considered. We very frequently overlook the personal stories of people in the middle of our panic.”
Spencer stresses that influenza is far deadlier than the coronavirus. The flu has killed up to 61,000 people annually since 2010, according to the CDC. But Spencer understands the grip fear can have on a person, because he’s experienced it himself.
“It’s easy for us to focus on the unknown,” he says.
This Doctor Was Vilified After Contracting Ebola. Now He Sees History Repeating Itself With Coronavirus
Dr. Craig Spencer, who was diagnosed with Ebola in New York City, is viewed at a news conference at New York's Bellevue Hospital after being declared free of the disease on November 11, 2014 in New York City.
Getty Images—2014 Getty Images
By Melissa Chan
February 4, 2020
Panic swept through New York City in fall 2014 when Dr. Craig Spencer became the first person in the giant metropolis to be diagnosed with Ebola. The physician had contracted the deadly disease while helping sick patients in the hard-hit West African country of Guinea as a volunteer.
As Spencer’s liver was failing and his then-fiancée was quarantined in their apartment, the public vilified him, picking apart his previous destinations and activities, including riding the subway and going bowling.
Now, amid another public health emergency as the novel coronavirus outbreak spreads internationally, Spencer says the U.S. is less prepared for a pandemic now than at the end of the Ebola outbreak, and he fears racism and xenophobia will worsen the crisis.
“It’s worrisome,” Spencer tells TIME, echoing experts who’ve expressed concerns about the Trump administration’s ability, and willingness, to ensure there are enough financial and other resources available to fight a pandemic. “We’re in trouble.”
Since the virus was first detected in Wuhan, China, last month, more than 11,000 people have tested positive for it in at least 18 countries, and more than 250 have died. There are at least 11 confirmed cases of the coronavirus in the U.S., according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which has confirmed that person-to-person transmission has occurred.
When the Trump administration announced last week that it would temporarily deny U.S. entry to any foreign national who has been in China and “poses a risk” of transmitting the virus, Spencer had flashbacks of the 2014 Ebola outbreak, which killed more than 11,000 people in Africa.
“For me, it brings up these reminders and memories of what we were doing to people, not only in the U.S. but in West Africa,” says Spencer, 38, the director of global health in emergency medicine at New York-Presbyterian/Columbia University Medical Center. “The way we talked about and treated people during the Ebola outbreak, how we maligned anyone from Africa.”
Spencer was the fourth person diagnosed with Ebola in the U.S. He was treated for about three weeks and released from Bellevue Hospital Center in New York City in November 2014.
Virus Expert on the Wuhan Coronavirus Outbreak: 'Don’t Be Complacent. We Must Treat It Extremely Seriously'
Hong Kong infectious disease expert Yuen Kwok-yung discussed the situation of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak with TIME in an exclusive interview. He warns that the disease is very infectious and control measures must be followed.
During the first few days of his hospitalization, Spencer was widely criticized as “selfish” and a “fraud” for walking amongst members of the public after coming back from West Africa—even though people are not contagious until they develop symptoms, and Spencer had been monitoring his temperature, following federal protocol.
Then-citizen Donald Trump tweeted that Spencer “recklessly flew into New York from West Africa” and “should have known” better. Politicians and public figures pounced, Spencer says, taking advantage of the panic amid election season to impose stringent quarantine measures for health workers returning from Ebola-stricken countries.
It’s just really, really horrible to not be included,” Spencer adds. “We do it with every outbreak.”
Spencer—who studied in China, where he met his wife—fears racism and xenophobia toward the Chinese population will grow, making matters worse if they become less likely to seek care in an attempt to avoid public disdain and quarantine.
“It’s important to never forget the people who are at the epicenter of these outbreaks, the impact it has on their families and their culture,” Spencer says. “These are things that are almost never considered. We very frequently overlook the personal stories of people in the middle of our panic.”
Spencer stresses that influenza is far deadlier than the coronavirus. The flu has killed up to 61,000 people annually since 2010, according to the CDC. But Spencer understands the grip fear can have on a person, because he’s experienced it himself.
“It’s easy for us to focus on the unknown,” he says.