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packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
This^^^ And from the article I posted here some years ago, that was published in 1967, the lack of solar activity also causes an uptick in earthquakes.
von Koehler
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Some have suggested the Eddy Minimum, after a scientist who did research on the topic. But this name is not yet official.
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Martinhouse
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At the end of the OP interview, Casey refers to it as the Eddy Minimum.
I think it would be more fun to call it the Gore Minimum.
I think it would be more fun to call it the Gore Minimum.
von Koehler
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdldcCznJD8
27:53 minutes
GSM Update 1/19/18 - Arctic Sea Smoke In Florida - Detroit Meteor Found - GSM Science
Oppenheimer Ranch Project
This is a must see daily site to stay up to date on the Global Solar Minimum news.
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FarmerJohn
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Right now it's: Second hottest of the modern era; first hottest was 2016. Actually it's kind of close; 2017 may have been the third hottest.
Martinhouse
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It might have been hottest those years down where Walmart just had their parking lot resurfaced, but here at my place, and any other place I know of, not so much.
If you really believe what you just said, then for god's sake why don't you say "warmest", instead of "hottest"? It would certainly make you sound less of a fool and maybe just the tiniest bit less unbelievable.
If you really believe what you just said, then for god's sake why don't you say "warmest", instead of "hottest"? It would certainly make you sound less of a fool and maybe just the tiniest bit less unbelievable.
Doc1
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Guy Sajer (his nom de plume) was a Franco-German conscript in the Wehrmacht in Word War Two who wrote the superb book, The Forgotten Soldier. He served multiple tours on the Eastern Front and was there during record-setting Russian cold periods. He profoundly described the suffering that cold temperatures cause and at one point stated "Metal broke with astonishing ease." Temperature-related embrittlement of steel (and other materials) is a very real phenomenon.
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JF&P
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Link Please.
TxGal
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Judging from this Great Blizzard of 1899 map, all of the USA was affected; it was just a matter of degrees!
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While reading the effects on Texas during that time frame, found this little bit of info:
Feb. 11–13, 1899: Freeze. A disastrous cold wave throughout the state. Newspapers described it as the worst freeze ever known in the state. Brownsville’s temperature reach 16°F on the 12th and remained below freezing through the 13th. Much destruction of vegetable
crops. https://texasalmanac.com/topics/environment/significant-weather-1700s-and-1800s
Much of the state has two growing seasons, Fall and Spring. Spring gardens/crops are planted early to avoid the drought/heat that comes in early summer. Losing a home vegetable garden to a freeze is one thing (I always plant my tomatoes too early and end up replanting a few times), but losing entire crops is something else and obviously would have a much more significant impact.
This and if it does not show up its on post N0#20, it go's show some of the solar minimum's but not all of them it just covers the last 4,500 years. Also note the chart shows that with every solar minimum there is a uptick in volcano activity and it does not show all of the smaller volcanic eruptions, but does list them in clumps as well as naming the major ones.
FarmerJohn
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von Koehler
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As I try to understand this cooling climate change and its causes, it quickly becomes apparent it is a very complicated mix of factors. To give just one very simple example, the Earth does NOT revolve around the Sun in a perfect circle. Rather, over long periods of time it varies from being closer to farther away and then back.
The Sun has many different internal cycles causing it's radiance to vary over time.
Unless you are an astronomer, it quicker becomes a blur. There are many factors, each with their own different internal cycles, which interact with each other. Some cancel themselves out, others re-enforce each other.
For example, in 2024 there will be a rare astronomical alignment that will occur when the orbits of the four gas giant planets will pull the Earth further away from the Sun and its warmth. Last time this happened was in 79 A.D.
It's going to be interesting.
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Old Gray Mare
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79 A.D.? As in when Mount Vesuvius erupted? That kind of interesting we could do without.
In north America, along with the ice age may come a huge ice dam at the front of the sheet that melt water builds up behind until it gives way periodically. I've wondered if that is what did in the Clovis People?
Your right there is nothing we can do to stop it, But good to discus whats happening and where its going so we can plan ahead prepare for it. Should this solar minimum turn for the worse and winter's become extremely colder and longer I'm in a position to survive it.
von Koehler
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You are correct in the sense that there is nothing that humanity can do to stop or reverse global cooling BUT that doesn't mean that you as an individual are completely helpless. You might decide to move to a warmer climate, build cold frames, greenhouses, store food, etc. Sadly most people are unaware of these natural cooling cycles and will simply be blindsided when they happen.
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You know, dogmanan... I don't see *anyone* here "worrying" about this. We're LEARNING about the possibilities (and I've *always* believed we were more likely to see another mini-ice age than any silly man-made global warming), and potential ways to ameliorate some of the effects. Many people here haven't lived in cold climates and haven't ever seen temperatures below zero Fahrenheit... they have no concept that it can actually change the physical reactions of various materials.
Since personally, we already have food storage and have been at least 90% self reliant in terms of food production for many years now, my main interest is in how I could continue to grow food, keep livestock and stay as self sufficient as possible if things do start cooling drastically. We live where the very southernmost edge of the glaciers reached in the last great Ice Age... occasional giant boulders still stand as testament of the power of ice.
It's looking like pit and bank greenhouses may be the wave of the future here.
Summerthyme
Since personally, we already have food storage and have been at least 90% self reliant in terms of food production for many years now, my main interest is in how I could continue to grow food, keep livestock and stay as self sufficient as possible if things do start cooling drastically. We live where the very southernmost edge of the glaciers reached in the last great Ice Age... occasional giant boulders still stand as testament of the power of ice.
It's looking like pit and bank greenhouses may be the wave of the future here.
Summerthyme
I'm not taking that comment seriously unless you have credible math from credible sources to back up the implied suggestion that the 2024 "alignment" orbital change will significantly cool the Earth. Not to mention that alignments in the past have often been claimed when it was just planets being on the same side of the Sun (and not literally in anything like a line). Which is apparently the case with the 2024 claim as I used the Solar System charting at this site (www.heavens-above.com/planets.aspx?lat=0&lng=0&loc=Unspecified&alt=0&tz=UCT) and stepped through all twelve months of 2024 but could not get anything approaching what I'd call an "alignment" of the gas giants.
von Koehler
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See this video starting at the 6:37 minute time-stamp for the comparison to the 79 A.D. event.
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You bring up moving to a warmer climate and I could see a mass exodus (abandon their homes) headed to warmer southern states. My area it could come down to heat or eat and not being able to keep up with it, that may leave only a few people here, almost like living in a small Alasken village where only the few that has what it takes to live there.
Can you post the text about it I have vey limited bites of internet and can't really watch you tube videos.
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There may be comparisons to what made Vesuvius erupt in 79 AD (which it does regularly down through history, with or without so-called planetary "alignments"), but from my quick check on where the outer planets are going to be throughout the year there just ain't gonna be an alignment in 2024 in the sense that most of us probably think about it.
von Koehler
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sh_nlz43Pc&feature=youtu.be
Published on Aug 9, 2016
Recent research by Professor Valentina Zharkova (Northumbria University) and colleagues has shed new light on the inner workings of the Sun.
The research suggests that the next three solar cycles will see solar activity reduce significantly into the middle of the century, producing conditions similar to those last seen in the 1600s – during the Maunder Minimum.
Some climate scientists have not welcomed the research and even tried to suppress the new findings.
Dr Zharkova is a Professor in Mathematics at Northumbria University. She has a BSc/MSc in Applied Mathematics and Astronomy and a Ph.D. in Astrophysics.
https://www.northumbria.ac.uk/about-us/our-staff/z/professor-valentina-zharkova/
Published on Aug 9, 2016
Recent research by Professor Valentina Zharkova (Northumbria University) and colleagues has shed new light on the inner workings of the Sun.
The research suggests that the next three solar cycles will see solar activity reduce significantly into the middle of the century, producing conditions similar to those last seen in the 1600s – during the Maunder Minimum.
Some climate scientists have not welcomed the research and even tried to suppress the new findings.
Dr Zharkova is a Professor in Mathematics at Northumbria University. She has a BSc/MSc in Applied Mathematics and Astronomy and a Ph.D. in Astrophysics.
https://www.northumbria.ac.uk/about-us/our-staff/z/professor-valentina-zharkova/
von Koehler
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Ok thanks
JF&P
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I'd suggest you enroll at your local college and take some night classes in astronomy....
You have no idea how insignificant the gravity effect of the gas giants is upon the earth...but, most folks just don't have the science background or education.
In the past every time the planets align, folks would freak out...and nothing happens.
Folks just can't get their heads around how large our solar system actually is and how with distance gravitational effects wain quickly.
Jupiter closest distance to earth 365 million miles
Saturn closest distance to earth 745 million miles
Uranus closest distance to earth 1.6 billion miles
Neptune closest distance to earth 2.7 billion miles
http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=3396
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Rayku
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In order to buy the oppenheimer ranch project/ice age now/thunderbolt premise, you'd have to buy into the electric universe hypothesis. Anyone who does due diligence research into what they are selling will find their premise hinged on EUH.
Those who've bought into the EUH premise use the same debate tactics that AL Gore, Obama, and the AGW crowd used/uses. Growing body of evidence, settled science, ad hominem and other logic fallacies are frequently used and quoted. All of which can be boiled down confirmation bias. They hear and read only what they want to hear or read. Worse yet, the strong reliance on youtube talking heads that are when the BS is boiled away, simply feeding their audience what they want to hear to make money. No different than say MSNBC, CNN, BBC, and the like. Call it intellectual laziness. Why research on their own when they can be spoon feed their flavor of preferred bias from the comfort of their home/PC?
Attempts at logical debate and research go the way of emotional 'just cuz' at their end. It's become crystal clear to me there is no room for any counter arguments. But I warn any and all this;
There is evidence to be had that the subject is far more critical and complicated than what either AGW or IAN proposes. Do with that what you will, I'm just another voice in the Internet wilderness after all. Have fun.
Those who've bought into the EUH premise use the same debate tactics that AL Gore, Obama, and the AGW crowd used/uses. Growing body of evidence, settled science, ad hominem and other logic fallacies are frequently used and quoted. All of which can be boiled down confirmation bias. They hear and read only what they want to hear or read. Worse yet, the strong reliance on youtube talking heads that are when the BS is boiled away, simply feeding their audience what they want to hear to make money. No different than say MSNBC, CNN, BBC, and the like. Call it intellectual laziness. Why research on their own when they can be spoon feed their flavor of preferred bias from the comfort of their home/PC?
Attempts at logical debate and research go the way of emotional 'just cuz' at their end. It's become crystal clear to me there is no room for any counter arguments. But I warn any and all this;
There is evidence to be had that the subject is far more critical and complicated than what either AGW or IAN proposes. Do with that what you will, I'm just another voice in the Internet wilderness after all. Have fun.
I wondered if Jupiter had any tidal effect on the Earth (short answer: none that you'd ever notice without very sophisticated instruments) so I went looking. In the process I found this chart of the tidal effects of various bodies in the Solar System on the Earth. If you take the tidal effects on the Earth of the various planetary objects as a proxy for their overall gravitational effect on Earth's orbit, then by this chart even were you to total up the four outer planets (and include Mars for good measure) you still wouldn't even come close to the gravitational effect that Venus by itself has on the Earth.
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von Koehler
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I thought it might to be interesting to see an example of a painting done during the Little Ice Age.
von K
Writers sometimes blame the Vikings dying off in Greenland on their inability to change their diet and food sources. They write that if the Norse had only been willing to eat more seafood (which in fact they actually did, but it doesn't make for as neat a book or article selling a morality tale) then all would have been well in the Greenland colonies. But what those writers usually don't mention is that the same time the Vikings were declining their hunting parties were also finding settlement after settlement of Innuit (unquestionably better attuned to survive in those conditions) that had starved to death. Indians further south in supposedly more hospitable regions were also regularly beset by mass starvation when times were tough. My point is not to get too smug that just because you're not an urban dweller vulnerable to supply chain disruptions you're somehow safe from the same disasters. Sometimes you can do everything right and still fail, and sometimes you can do everything wrong and still survive. The thing to take to heart is that Mother Nature doesn't give a rat's ass either way.
Hognutz
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One of my favorite books.....He lived through hell.
jed turtle
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And for all those who do migrate south, remember, most countries closer to the equator are already way overpopulated socialist utopias. Still, there is a lot of wide open space out in the ocean...
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Yes, no one is exactly sure why the Norse left, latest theory (and it is still just that) is that the men kept hunting the Polar Bears and other luxury furs for the European market (they were in touch with Europe to a much greater degree than used to be thought).
The population had already been declining, though new DNA evidence shows that all along people were relying BOTH on hunting and gathering as well as farming (rather than being mostly farmers as previously thought) they also ate shellfish.
There are indications that a combination of people getting tired of living in what was the "Last Outpost" of Europe for the "Bright Lights/Big Cities" of Germany, Norway, Denmark etc may have combined with one "horrible" Summer where the men went off to hunt, got caught up in a big storm and never came back.
That would fit with an Inuit Elder who said: "Oh, we know what happened to the last of the Norse; their men sailed off in ships one day and never came back, we ended up taking in the remaining women and children."
No one knows for certain if that is what happened but it wasn't JUST climate changes that did them in; ICELAND, on the other hand, started to become FROZEN IN for months during the same time period and they nearly did evacuate.
They nearly evacuated again (Iceland) during the Great Volcanic eruption that Ben Franklin described during an Atlantic voyage during the 18th century, if it had gone on just a few more days; the capital city would have been under lava flows and Europeans gone from the Island for at least a few decades (I'm sure they would have repopulated eventually).
That HUGE and LONG, volcanic episode in Iceland, was also during the 18th-century minimum, a little before our house was built with 3 foot thick stone walls and a fire place in every room.
As a farmer with 45 years experience, I can say that you are absolutely correct. And even in the best of times, were seeing dangerous "rust" diseases that can wipe out entire grain crops, and FAR too many imported diseases and insects that destroy whole forests, cause the extinction of entire tree species, or wipe out gardens.
Just from memory, and within my lifetime:
Mediterranean Fruit Fly
Gypsy Moth
Asian Ladybug
Dutch Elm Disease
American Chestnut Blight (once one of the most important trees in America, for mast crops, timber and fuel, it was completely wiped out by an Asian fungus)
Marmorated Stink Bug
Emerald Ash Borer (currently wiping out every ash tree)
Karnal bunt (a dangerous, aggressive fungal disease of wheat, barley and similar grain crops)
We Americans have been largely shielded from the effects of many outbreaks in food crops over the years because of the same system of importation that creates the problems! But when you're raising your own food (maybe trading with neighbors with "extras", which many in our community commonly do), a single disease or insect infestation may not only mean the loss of that winter's food, but also the seed for future years)
Summerthyme
Thanks. Jared Diamond's book Collapse has always puzzled me w/regard to that Viking colony. Your explanation makes much more sense.
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