ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

Sweetwood

Senior Member
Here then is the question we need to ask regarding the PTB in the West, both in front of and especially behind the curtain; how many dead Ukrainians, Russians and finally their own people are they willing to stack up for "their" goals? That being said, exactly what are those goals?
Those of us who pay attention and read between the lines already know the answer to all these questions. Ultimately "they" do not care how many people they kill, matter of fact the more the better. History has shown us no government is concerned for the welfare of its people, and all wars are about power, control and financial gain.
 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
That and/or Russia never had any plans to invade and occupy anything west of the Dnieper River. Or even where they are now which is short of the river.

But yeah, now since the concert, Russia may not care if the civilian population of Ukraine suffers either.
Their original deployment/invasion was certainly arrayed in a way that inferred that was their plan; going beyond that natural barrier never made any sense.
 

155 arty

Veteran Member
Here then is the question we need to ask regarding the PTB in the West, both in front of and especially behind the curtain; how many dead Ukrainians, Russians and finally their own people are they willing to stack up for "their" goals? That being said, exactly what are those goals?
They will send as many and whoever will go as they deem fit or until we take away the power to do so !!!!
 

Abert

Veteran Member
Here then is the question we need to ask regarding the PTB in the West, both in front of and especially behind the curtain; how many dead Ukrainians, Russians and finally their own people are they willing to stack up for "their" goals? That being said, exactly what are those goals?
Excellent - that is exactly the problem -
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
That and/or Russia never had any plans to invade and occupy anything west of the Dnieper River.

I think there's at least one TB2Ker who claims this never happened, but the Russians made it into the western suburbs of Kiev before they were stopped cold, at least in part due to the efforts of foreign volunteers, I suppose you can make the argument the Russians never seriously wanted to actually occupy Kiev or it was only a diversion from the main invasion.
 

CaryC

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I think there's at least one TB2Ker who claims this never happened, but the Russians made it into the western suburbs of Kiev before they were stopped cold, at least in part due to the efforts of foreign volunteers, I suppose you can make the argument the Russians never seriously wanted to actually occupy Kiev or it was only a diversion from the main invasion.
Yeah there were several various incursions into Ukraine, and then after a short while, for whatever reason, the Russians withdrew. And it should be noted that the Gen who came up with all that, was fired.

I suspect that the Gen went off script.

From Putin's initial speech his goal was only the Donbass with it's ethnic Russians, and to put Ukraine is a position so as to be a buffer zone.

Which I thought meant going to the Dnieper River.

Russia's ability to turn greater Ukraine into a parking lot has never been in doubt. No Art. 5 would be forth coming, so the question has always been why haven't they?

The whole infrastructure argument isn't a go argument. When in war, destroy everything to being your enemy to his knees, worry about reconstruction once you've won. German cities - Berlin. Romanian oil fields. German Dams, Dutch Dams, ball bearing plants, etc..... Not to mention what all we did to Japan and the far east.

Historically, and in his speech, Putin is a student of history, much like the Bosporus Straight, and English Channel, the Dneiper has been a dividing line, even during WWII between eastern slavs and western slavs.
 
meaty and heavy on tech....


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This is technically part 3 of the Future of the SMO paid series I’ve been doing, with Part 1 here, and Part 2 here. However, I’m no longer going to number them as they are not a continuation, but rather independent articles on new topics which will operate under the same series name as that will be the designated paid subscriber only series. So if you’re not paid yet, don’t fear jumping in now as the current article is stand-alone and only loosely follows the general series theme of analyzing the SMO from a military-technological standpoint and extrapolating that onto future trends and developments.

This article is about 6700+ words and this time I’ve decided to leave free to the public, the first 2500+ of them, so a full nearly 40% of the article, so as to allow free subscribers to read at least up to the most important ‘bomb shell’ revelation. However, paid subs will see the new report further down of the first ever Russian mobile ground robot platoon taking part in real live hostilities, ushering in a devastating new age of warfare.


In the previous installment, we covered Russian military theorist General Baluyevsky’s think-tank paper Algorithms of Fire and Steel. This time we have another fascinating release from the official Russian military journal of the MOD, called АРМЕЙСКИЙ СБОРНИК, or ‘Army Digest’. It deals with assessing the opening state of the SMO and how it’s changed, with what adaptations the Russian MOD has been making to shore up weaknesses exposed in the course of the conflict.

What’s particularly eye-opening is how forthright it is in dealing with Russia’s limitations, particularly at the start of the SMO, allowing us a better understanding of the current state of things and how the war might evolve going forward.

Link.

It’s hosted on the official Russian mil site and apparently blocks Western addresses from accessing it, but you can still do so via VPN.

For the sake of authenticity, it is the March issue #3 of 2024, written by retired Colonel and veteran of military operations Oleg Falichev, and is called:

Exclude the Human Factor

It begins by recounting how Putin recently gave an assessment of the SMO at the end of 2023, and frankly asserted a few key problem areas where the Russian Armed Forces need work; namely: seriously restructure communication systems, increase the satellite ISR grouping, improve the work of air defense, increase the production and supply of high precision projectiles like Krasnopol and many others, etc.

“It is good that, two years later, we have finally begun to speak openly about the problems identified during the special operation. But what exactly did the Supreme Commander have in mind?”
The author first goes on to describe what the U.S. possesses in terms of a unified battlefield network-centric control system, which happens to be at the disposal of Ukraine. I want to paste the whole thing because it’s a very important consolidating primer on the subject, and makes for a sharp contrast with how he describes Russian capability afterwards:

So, over the past 30 years, several automated control systems (ACS) for ground forces combat operations have been created in the United States. All of them are integrated into a single contour, which provides real-time acquisition of processed situation data necessary for combat impact on the enemy by all, including promising, means of destruction.
The US global control system as a whole consists of: an
aviation contour, including unmanned reconnaissance vehicles, reconnaissance aircraft, including combat control and target designation aircraft of the AWACS type;
a space contour, consisting of optoelectronic reconnaissance spacecraft, as well as radar and radio-technical reconnaissance, and missile warning system satellites-secure
global space communications consisting of communication and relay satellites, weather satellites, and other spacecraft.
The US wartime reconnaissance satellite constellation can consist of up to 500 spacecraft, of which up to 200 spacecraft can be located over the territory of Ukraine today. All this group works for the armed forces of Ukraine, transmitting data about our troops. It allows you to get high-resolution video and photo information that is sufficient to determine the number of our aircraft at airfields and the movement of large groups of troops. All the monitored situation is summarized and collected in the NATO Information Processing Center, from where the data is sent to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. This includes using the Starlink system, which is used for communication and fire control in the "company (battery) — battalion (division) — regiment"link.
Combining the means of reconnaissance and fire destruction of the enemy into a single system was called the network-centric concept of warfare in the general theory of war. It involves the creation of a single information space for control and fire destruction in the Theater of Operations area.
A note on that:

Firstly, here’s a recent diagram of total active satellites in space compared to Starlink, which is starting to single-handedly take over all earth’s orbit:



SpaceX Starlink satellites now make up almost 60% of the entire operational space constellation.
At this rate, Starlink will soon become the major dominant force in space.
On top of the above Russian assessment, a recent announcement revealed Elon Musk has signed a secret contract with the U.S. government to basically convert, as one report suggested, around 500 Starlink satellites into military versions with special cryptographic properties:



Elon Musk's secret $1.8 BILLION Starshield contract used by Pentagon
Unfortunately for Russia, this puts the U.S. and its allies—like Ukraine—several years, and potentially a decade or two, ahead of Russian capabilities in this area. As Colonel Falichev indicates in the next part, this is one area where Russia has severely lagged since the fall of the Soviet Union, simply ignoring the problem as its ramifications were never quite palpably felt by the aging military upper crust.

They are now rushing out a Starlink analog, but a basic operable fleet won’t be ready until at least 2027-2030. In order to even the odds in the meantime, Russia has reportedly been smuggling in a large amount of bootleg Starlinks, which they claim to use at the front despite Musk’s protests that Starlink service does not operate “over Russia”. Of course, the battlefield contact line is quite a hazy ‘gray zone’ and likely allows Russian forces to get service.

Though as a quick aside, Russia’s communications issues aren’t ever as bad as claimed. Just yesterday a Ukrainian comms expert angrily reported the increasingly widespread use of a new Russian “Wave Network” of radios, which he described as follows:

The Wave Network packet communication solution is based on MESH technology. Within the framework of this technology, each walkie-talkie is not just a walkie-talkie, but also a repeater. That is, all signals scatter to all the nearest neighboring stations and there are no limits to this. This is very useful for the military. For example, when a convoy of equipment stretches for 10 kilometers travels, all radios transmit information along the chain. Or all the soldiers along the front communicate without repeaters.
Not to mention it is AES128 encrypted.

But while Russia scrambles to catch up to U.S. communications capabilities, the U.S. is attempting to leap even further into the future with the announcement of the world’s first ever space-based tactical close “air” support:



1st Space Brigade’s tactical close space support is on the move
The above article summarizes it as follows:

“Larger space capabilities cannot effectively integrate with more expeditionary units, such as SOF (Special Operations Forces),” said Capt. Noah Siegel, Triad Experimentation Team platoon leader, 18th Space Company. “Shrinking our equipment and focusing on mobility allows our Soldiers to provide space support to units of all types at or beyond the tactical edge. For warfighters on the ground, this tactical space support enables the synchronization and convergence of joint and multidomain effects to enhance lethality.”
In short, it’s the ability to have a smaller imprint mobile satellite liaison unit that can give network-centric and signals data to frontline units on the fly without the traditional worries of communication links disruptions due to jamming or distance from unit HQs, or having to setup bulky stationary satellite relays. I.e. space support at the tactical level. It may sound simple, but it’s something that nations without massive satellite infrastructure would struggle to do.

But the above was just a test run with a small unit, and is in no way being rolled out en masse in the U.S. Army any time soon, as the article itself admits.

Getting back, Colonel Falichev asks: What do we have by comparison?

What do we have?
Looking ahead, I will say that we are quite successfully fighting the enemy's intelligence system using various electronic warfare tools. But for a long time we were not able to bring our effective fire control system, as they say, to mind. It is enough to recall the similar Constellation system created since the times of the USSR, which left much to be desired. Only recently have they developed and launched a series of their own automated artillery fire control system, in particular, "Tablet-A" (Planshet-A system). And the special operation in Ukraine has accelerated this process.
JSC "Russian Corporation of Rocket and Space Instrumentation and Information Systems" ("Russian Space Systems") has developed the first domestic analog of the Starlink system. For this purpose, the Sphere communications satellite was launched into orbit. The system is already being tested in the military. Let us explain that JSC Russian Space Systems specializes in the development, manufacture and operation of space information systems, in particular, in the development and targeted use of the global navigation satellite system GLONASS, the space search and rescue system, hydrometeorological and radio engineering support for scientific research in outer space, and remote sensing of the Earth. Today, the development of such technologies in Russia has been given the closest attention, which was required by the experience of conducting free economic education.
In addition, the President of the Russian Federation has considered the Concept of Technological Development of Russia until 2030. Among its sections are promising space systems and services.
The Planshet-A system is one I’ve been reporting on for a long time, which is a battlefield management system Russia has slowly been rolling out since the start of the conflict. One recent example of a new analogous Russian system on the front was just posted this week—though I believe this is a more DIY ad hoc one. You can see the realtime geolocation of ongoing tactical fights, with the information and coordinates able to be transmitted to other relevant units:


Exclusive . We finally have the latest program for command and control.
Designed for interaction, coordination, control between different departments. An analogue of the Ukrainian "Nettle", its extended version.
I would like to draw your attention: “Nettle” was with the Ukrainian Armed Forces until the age of 2022. That is, they were preparing for a certain type of war, unlike us. They knew that they would attack and they knew with what type of weapons.
From a reliable source.
Incidentally a new video of another such Ukrainian system has also come to light, showing the Ukrainians are arguably still a step ahead in implementation:


Pay attention to how they can insert tactical symbols onto a map, which gets instantly distributed to all units operating one of these networked tablets.

Falichev goes on to underline what I already prefaced above—why Russia began to lag after the fall of the USSR, including the infamously resented Serdyukov reforms of 2008, of which I also previously wrote a lot on:

LESSONS AND CONCLUSIONS
Of course, the question arises: why did this happen? After the collapse of the USSR, we paid very little attention to this segment of our defense, as, indeed, to the development of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation as a whole. Recall that in 2010, the Armed Forces underwent major structural changes. Motorized rifle and tank divisions were transformed into brigades. According to Colonel-General, Doctor of Military Sciences, corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Rocket and Artillery Sciences Vladimir Zaritsky, the army and front-line sets of Rocket troops and artillery were abolished. Thus, we lost about half of the firepower of artillery units and formations, and almost half of the firepower of Ground Forces.
But he says Gerasimov and Shoigu’s arrival has ushered in a restoration of all previously lost power:

But with the arrival of the new leadership of the Ministry of Defense, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov, the restoration of the system that was practically lost, in particular, the divisional structure, and in the Missile Forces and artillery of the Ground Forces — the restoration of combat power.
He states that in particular, special attention was paid to such electronic intelligence systems, which further ushered in the development of new much-needed battlefield recon and counter-battery systems like the ‘Arkus’ and ‘Penicillin.’

But here’s where he makes the biggest bombshell of the report, which is truly a world exclusive in divulging this information for the first time ever:

With the beginning of the SVO, we had only about 10 Zoo-1M complexes in the army. This led to the fact that at first we lost the confrontation in the counter-battery fight. The lack of necessary specialists also affected the situation.
We’ve heard complaints from the front for a long time that Russia needed more counter-battery capability. There were speculations of all kinds as to numbers, but no one knew precise amounts. Here for the first time he reveals that the entire Russian army had a miniscule 10 Zoopark counterbattery units at the start of the SMO.

Granted, in the very beginning, artillery counterfights had not yet gained the type of significance they have now, as the conflict had more a mobile expeditionary-style character than the static classical artillery war we see today. Russia did begin increasing production of everything right away—but it’s still extremely telling how little of the workhorse counterbattery units they had at the onset.

Keep in mind, there are other types of counterbattery—so Zoopark isn’t the sole one relied on. Not only were there the mentioned Penicillins—though potentially even less of those prestige systems—but also things like the Yastreb-AV, Snar-10, and many other smaller portable tactical units like the Aistyonok, Sobolyatnik, and even the Fara-PV. So while the situation wasn’t quite as dire as it sounds, it was far from ideal.

Now, however, things have changed. Just last month Shoigu visited the NPO Splav and NPO Strela enterprises, where he was shown a full production line of the latest Zoopark-1Ms under construction:

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much more at OP

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Abert

Veteran Member
No longer talk of winning - taking back Crimea - now:

President Volodymyr Zelensky said in an interview published on Friday that if Ukraine does not get promised US military aid blocked by disputes in Congress, its forces will have to retreat “in small steps”.

“It means we will go back, retreat, step by step, in small steps,” he said. “We are trying to find some way not to retreat.”
 

Ukraine War Day #766: A Bloody Message For Terrorists Everywhere


Posted on March 30, 2024 by yalensis


Dear Readers:
From the beauty of nature to the grotesque awfulness of man. Today I have this piece, entitled “A Bloody Message” which explains why the Russian FSB published that gory video of one of their operatives cutting off the ear of a suspected terrorist. A couple of notes: First, to explain is not necessarily to condone. Second, the implication is that only a part of the ear was cut off, not the whole ear. The piece specifically says кончик уха (tip of the ear), which could mean just the lobe. In which case, the terrorist did not necessarily go full van Gogh. It just means he won’t be able to wear a pirate earring in his right ear.
Terror suspects put through the ringer and then displayed in public – Clockwise from top left: Saidakrami Rachabalizoda, Shamsidin Fariduni, Dalerdzhon Mirzoyev and Mukhammadsobir Faizov. AP; AFP via Getty Images

The video of this unauthorized oto-surgical procedure, which was performed right at the time of the detention of this suspect, flew around the world at lightning speed, arousing from some outraged condemnations, from others gleeful applause.

While conceding that torture and mutilation are “inhuman”, the editors of this piece sought out the expertise of law enforcement types to explain why this was done, not in the heat of testosterone-fueld passion, but as a cold-blooded, calculated act. And was done not merely to “scare the others” or to “deter the others”, but for another reason as well.
“It’s an old technique, tried and true,” commented a retired Spetz officer in his Telegram channel, “Get to work, Brothers!” He went on to write: “I recognize the signature.”

In the TV show “24”, Jack Bauer was sometimes forced to torture some folks when he had just minutes to spare, to save the planet.

The newspaper MKRU interviewed an expert familiar with the situation: “This is a standard technique, designed to elicit the needed information as quickly as possible, and is typically used against Islamist fanatics. But performing this procedure rapidly is not as easy as it sounds. This is done when operative information is needed as quickly as possible; for example, to catch other accomplices before they can get away. When, by escaping, they would present a danger to the surrounding civilian population. In taut situations like that, believe me, the last thing on the investigator’s mind is the civil rights of the detained terrorist. There is no time for sentimentality here.” [yalensis: Fair enough. But the other 3 terrorists, the ones who still have their ears, seem to have received the bulk of their bruises and broken bones during that first night in the pokey, leading to their morning appearance in court!] The expert goes on to say that the loss of an ear has a symbolic importance as well, to those who follow the Muslim faith.

Islamist fanatics, in particular, are very keen on not losing their ears. To walk around without an ear brings a special sense of shame and humiliation for them. [yalensis: Personally, I’d rather have an ear cut off than a nose, for example. Or an eye.] Reason being, they believe that they cannot be a shahid (a martyr who goes to Paradise) without having both ears intact. This belief stems from an all-too literal reading of a passage in the Koran, something to the effect: “Allah will grab you by the ears and pull you up into Heaven.” The logical corollary is that they need both ears, otherwise Allah won’t even bother with the effort. [yalensis: Like, he couldn’t grab their arms, or something?]

In conclusion, the expert opines: These video images of the ear-cutting did not get into the public sphere by accident, nor was it the whim of an amateurish agent. This publication was done deliberately, to send a bloody message to potential terrorists who are even thinking about committing such a heinous crime in the future.

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Abert

Veteran Member
Yeah there were several various incursions into Ukraine, and then after a short while, for whatever reason, the Russians withdrew. And it should be noted that the Gen who came up with all that, was fired.

I suspect that the Gen went off script.

From Putin's initial speech his goal was only the Donbass with it's ethnic Russians, and to put Ukraine is a position so as to be a buffer zone.

Which I thought meant going to the Dnieper River.

Russia's ability to turn greater Ukraine into a parking lot has never been in doubt. No Art. 5 would be forth coming, so the question has always been why haven't they?

The whole infrastructure argument isn't a go argument. When in war, destroy everything to being your enemy to his knees, worry about reconstruction once you've won. German cities - Berlin. Romanian oil fields. German Dams, Dutch Dams, ball bearing plants, etc..... Not to mention what all we did to Japan and the far east.

Historically, and in his speech, Putin is a student of history, much like the Bosporus Straight, and English Channel, the Dneiper has been a dividing line, even during WWII between eastern slavs and western slavs.
Good Question and Points - hard to say what the original plan Russia had. But like most things in life - what we plan to do and what we end up doing are often not the same.

This conflict goes back years some say 2014 - could be ever earlier. Actually the core of the problem goes back to Soviet days when - for political reasons - The Ukraine was expanded with the addition of Russian, Polish, Hungarian and Romanian areas - they were all part of the Soviet Union just a matter of redrawing borders. The problem was that when the Soviets broke up these areas were not returned to their original Nation States. The result is we have a somewhat artificiality externally (by Soviets) created "nation" with clear internal ethnic, nationalist, and political differences and the most corrupt dysfunctional government in Europe - what could go wrong?

Despite these problems thing did function - somewhat - till the key date of 2014 when the wheels came off the cart.
No need to review that history but the first attempt - Plan - was the Minsk agreements which were designed to protect the Eastern (former Russian) areas from attacks from the Ukrainian Nationalist to stop the conflict. Never worked, it did slow down the conflict somewhat but as was later revealed it was never intended to do anything - the attacks on the Eastern areas continued and Russia watched as Ukraine (with US support) built the largest army in Europe poised to move into the Eastern areas - to solve the problem.

So the "Plans" changed - Minsk did not work - now maybe a show of force to get the attention of Ukraine (and US) that Russia would not allow the ethnic cleaning of the Russians in the Donbas. A few weeks after Russian troops entered Ukraine - finally getting the attention of the US - a NEW PLAN was worked out. As has been well documented a resolution to the conflict was AGGRED on by Ukraine and Russia - all set except for the signing - so much for that Plan as the US/UK killed it.

The first plans clearly were designed to neonate a solution - diplomats have several tools - unfortunately armed conflict is the final tool. So time for - A New Plan - direct Russian army into Eastern Ukraine - the reabsorption of 4 formerly Russian areas back into Russia proper to protect the ethnic Russians - some 20-25% of Ukraine now Russian again.

In a logical world this should have been the end of it - the Russian "Orcs" no longer part of Ukraine - problem solved.

But all that happened is around $200 Billion in arms and support for Ukraine - the "war" was now about the total destruction of Russia proper - no longer just about Ukraine regaining land - no - now it was effectively total war between the US and Russia

Time for yet another NEW PLAN - It was finally clear to Putin that this was not just an Ukrainian misunderstanding the existence of Russia was now at stake. So for the last two+ years Russia has gone on to a war footing - firing up the massive Soviet arms factories (never scrapped and turned into condos) running 3 shifts - 7 days a week. Rebuilding their army to likely the most powerful in the world with the resources and factories that can support it.

At this point Russia likely has several PLANS on the table - as from the start Russia has effectively been REACTING to events - most out of their control. What they do next will also likely be a reaction to events. Given the US, UK and EU are clear on only one path - Escalation - from NATO troops in Ukraine or Fighter Jets based in NATO nations to non stop talk of a direct War between NATO and Russia they need to have practical options.

So how this goes is hard to say but the key difference from the start is that this "conflict" is no longer just about some Eastern areas - effectively we are in a World War. Russia is clear they want to contain it within Ukraine - to prevent a wider war. What happens next - the Next Russian PLAN - will depend on what the US does. If contained in Ukraine without question Russia will eventually win and will demand an unconditional surrender. How Ukraine is cut up is hard to say. Likely some areas may be returned to their former Nations? Actually it is too early to map that out.

Their other FINAL PLAN as they have stated over and over again (not sure the US is picking up on the hints) is if the US wants to expand this into a direct hot war - Russia will not go down without taking the US (and EU) with it.

Events Change - Plans Change - Now we Wait


 

jward

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France announces it will stop of throwing away decommissioned weapon systems or giving it to other countries.

All of it will be sent to Ukraine from now on

Weapon systems that are still working & were to be decommissioned in the coming years will be replaced & sent now instead
 

Housecarl

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Posted for fair use......

Putin Friend Predicts Nuclear Strike 'Most Likely' Coming​

Published Mar 30, 2024 at 11:02 AM EDT Updated Mar 30, 2024 at 2:54 PM EDT

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Amid the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war, Russian President Vladimir Putin's friend, Viktor Medvedchuk, recently predicted that a nuclear strike will "most likely" be coming.

Putin and senior Russian officials have repeatedly threatened nuclear escalation against Kyiv and its Western partners since Moscow launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

During Putin's annual state of the nation address last month he warned that Russia's "strategic nuclear forces are in a state of full readiness." He also warned that there was a genuine risk of nuclear war if Western nations send troops to Ukraine, as suggested by French President Emmanuel Macron last month.

Western nations, Putin added, "must realize that we also have weapons that can hit targets on their territory. All this really threatens a conflict with the use of nuclear weapons and the destruction of civilization. Don't they get that?"

However, Macron appears to have walked back his previous comments earlier this month about sending troops to Ukraine. During an interview with Czech news publication Novinky.cz. Macron emphasized that France is not actively considering sending military forces to Ukraine.

"In response to one question I was asked about sending troops, I said that nothing is out of the question," he recalled. "This does not mean that we are considering the possibility of sending French troops to Ukraine in the near future, but we are starting discussions and thinking about everything that can be done to support Ukraine, especially on Ukrainian territory."

On Friday, according to Russian news agency Tass, pro-Russian Ukrainian politician Medvedchuk who was exiled to Russia in 2022 in exchange for Ukrainian prisoners of war predicted that a nuclear strike will "most likely" be coming as the West continues to "assert its right to global dominance."

"If the collective West continues to assert its right to global dominance, Ukraine's human capital will not be enough in any case...If we continue the policy of war to the bitter end, sooner or later foreign troops will have to be introduced. And most likely, [we will be] looking at a nuclear strike eventually," he said.

However, Medvedchuk does not rule out that countries outside of Europe could become involved if the conflict expands. "It is clear that the Arab world is being drawn into the war, and after that, China and India will also be involved, as they do not have issues with soldiers."

Newsweek has reached out to the Russian defense ministry via email for comment.

This comes as Western leaders including President Joe Biden, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, and North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg have consistently warned that a direct Russia-NATO confrontation is unthinkable given the nuclear stakes.

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However, Putin and the Kremlin have long framed its war on Ukraine as a preemptive war on the "collective West."

"The West miscalculated and ran into the firm position and determination of our multinational people," Putin told government officials, members of parliament, and leading civil society figures during his annual speech.

Meanwhile, NATO leaders—particularly on the alliance's long frontier with Russia—are increasingly warning that direct conflict with Moscow is a realistic danger, suggesting the West has between three and 10 years to prepare for war. However, Putin described such warnings as "nonsense."

"At the same time they themselves are choosing targets for striking our territory," the Russian leader said referring to Scholz's revelation that British and French personnel are helping Ukraine target Russian positions with Storm Shadow/SCALP cruise missiles.
 

jward

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UPDATE: At least 6 Russian Tu-95Ms strategic bombers have taken off. Missile strike on Ukraine expected in a few hours.
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jward

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Russia has begun to modernize Kh-101 missiles with two warheads: the weight increased to 800 kg.

The second warhead has ready-made striking elements of a cubic shape, which have a significant striking effect.

The addition was made after the reduction in the size of the fuel tank, due to which the flight range of Kh-101 was reduced.

But in the case of a reduction from 5,500 km to ~2,200 km for Ukrainians, this does not matter much.
 

Grumphau

Veteran Member
Per post 64,454, I believe that Russia could use a nuclear weapon without fear of being nuked itself, but it would have to be soon. After the election all bets are off, and Biden is a known quantity. Also if Russia were to use one as a "back off or else" to the West, I think they would use several to gain maximum effect.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Per post 64,454, I believe that Russia could use a nuclear weapon without fear of being nuked itself, but it would have to be soon. After the election all bets are off, and Biden is a known quantity. Also if Russia were to use one as a "back off or else" to the West, I think they would use several to gain maximum effect.
This would be where the Russian theory of "escalate to de-escalate" runs into "limited war" theory. Shock is just as likely to get a pause as it is to get an immediate escalation to "stop cut" the offender. How do you deal with a mad wild eyed pistol waver who's already shot someone? You put two in his chest and one in his head.

The first thing to understand is the Russians aren't just facing off with "grandpa" Biden and his Obama retreads, but the UK and the French who being a lot closer to the situation are going to have a different view of things and can go their own way without seeking permission from anyone else before they act. For that matter no one would be sure who acted until they claimed the action.

ETA: For more insight into US thinking please see this article I just posted in this week's WoW thread: WAR - 03-30-2024-to-04-05-2024__****THE****WINDS****of****WAR****

https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2024/april/better-case-slcm-n

A Better Case for SLCM-N​

Yes, the United States needs a sea-launched nuclear cruise missile, but focusing on warhead yield ignores other important issues.

By Lieutenant Commander Alan Cummings, U.S. Navy Reserve

April 2024
Proceedings
Vol. 150/4/1,454
 
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jward

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Abert

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Putin Friend Predicts Nuclear Strike 'Most Likely' Coming​

Published Mar 30, 2024 at 11:02 AM EDT Updated Mar 30, 2024 at 2:54 PM EDT

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Amid the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war, Russian President Vladimir Putin's friend, Viktor Medvedchuk, recently predicted that a nuclear strike will "most likely" be coming.

Putin and senior Russian officials have repeatedly threatened nuclear escalation against Kyiv and its Western partners since Moscow launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

During Putin's annual state of the nation address last month he warned that Russia's "strategic nuclear forces are in a state of full readiness." He also warned that there was a genuine risk of nuclear war if Western nations send troops to Ukraine, as suggested by French President Emmanuel Macron last month.

Western nations, Putin added, "must realize that we also have weapons that can hit targets on their territory. All this really threatens a conflict with the use of nuclear weapons and the destruction of civilization. Don't they get that?"

However, Macron appears to have walked back his previous comments earlier this month about sending troops to Ukraine. During an interview with Czech news publication Novinky.cz. Macron emphasized that France is not actively considering sending military forces to Ukraine.

"In response to one question I was asked about sending troops, I said that nothing is out of the question," he recalled. "This does not mean that we are considering the possibility of sending French troops to Ukraine in the near future, but we are starting discussions and thinking about everything that can be done to support Ukraine, especially on Ukrainian territory."

On Friday, according to Russian news agency Tass, pro-Russian Ukrainian politician Medvedchuk who was exiled to Russia in 2022 in exchange for Ukrainian prisoners of war predicted that a nuclear strike will "most likely" be coming as the West continues to "assert its right to global dominance."

"If the collective West continues to assert its right to global dominance, Ukraine's human capital will not be enough in any case...If we continue the policy of war to the bitter end, sooner or later foreign troops will have to be introduced. And most likely, [we will be] looking at a nuclear strike eventually," he said.

However, Medvedchuk does not rule out that countries outside of Europe could become involved if the conflict expands. "It is clear that the Arab world is being drawn into the war, and after that, China and India will also be involved, as they do not have issues with soldiers."

Newsweek has reached out to the Russian defense ministry via email for comment.

This comes as Western leaders including President Joe Biden, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, and North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg have consistently warned that a direct Russia-NATO confrontation is unthinkable given the nuclear stakes.

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However, Putin and the Kremlin have long framed its war on Ukraine as a preemptive war on the "collective West."

"The West miscalculated and ran into the firm position and determination of our multinational people," Putin told government officials, members of parliament, and leading civil society figures during his annual speech.

Meanwhile, NATO leaders—particularly on the alliance's long frontier with Russia—are increasingly warning that direct conflict with Moscow is a realistic danger, suggesting the West has between three and 10 years to prepare for war. However, Putin described such warnings as "nonsense."

"At the same time they themselves are choosing targets for striking our territory," the Russian leader said referring to Scholz's revelation that British and French personnel are helping Ukraine target Russian positions with Storm Shadow/SCALP cruise missiles.
Consider the source on this - Newsweek
Russia has ZERO interest in this conflict expanding outside the borders of Ukraine - they just do not need any additional problems - why should they - a 1000km front is more than enough to deal with.

The issue is not Russia expanding - BUT NATO or separate EU nations entering into the conflict and not only aiding Ukraine but directly engaging Russians in Ukraine and possibly attacking targets in Russia proper. NATO troops launching missile / air attacks into Russia. This is the RED line - WARNING - Russia is giving to NATO. If NATO troops directly attack Russia proper - Russia will strike back - and if necessary it could be Nuclear.

What happens next is 100% up to NATO and the US - as bad as it has been - the killing and destruction so far has mainly been in Ukraine. Russia is simply stating that if NATO wants to EXPAND this - there will be a price to pay.
 

jward

passin' thru
Mario Nawfal
@MarioNawfal
BREAKING - PUTIN ORDERS SPRING DRAFT: 150,000

Putin had decreed a spring conscription for 150,000 aged 18 to 30, from April 1 to July 15.

Last November, Putin ordered an increase troops by 170,000, aiming for a 1.32 million personnel military in response to the Ukraine war and “NATO activities.”

Last spring 147,000 recruits were drafted.

Sources: BAZA, Al Jazeera, The Moscow Times
 

Housecarl

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Consider the source on this - Newsweek
Russia has ZERO interest in this conflict expanding outside the borders of Ukraine - they just do not need any additional problems - why should they - a 1000km front is more than enough to deal with.

The issue is not Russia expanding - BUT NATO or separate EU nations entering into the conflict and not only aiding Ukraine but directly engaging Russians in Ukraine and possibly attacking targets in Russia proper. NATO troops launching missile / air attacks into Russia. This is the RED line - WARNING - Russia is giving to NATO. If NATO troops directly attack Russia proper - Russia will strike back - and if necessary it could be Nuclear.

What happens next is 100% up to NATO and the US - as bad as it has been - the killing and destruction so far has mainly been in Ukraine. Russia is simply stating that if NATO wants to EXPAND this - there will be a price to pay.

Yeah it's "Newsweek" but quite a few of Russian MSM and politicos reportedly aligned with Putin have made such comments regarding nukes on several occasions.
 

Walrus

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Consider the source on this - Newsweek
Russia has ZERO interest in this conflict expanding outside the borders of Ukraine - they just do not need any additional problems - why should they - a 1000km front is more than enough to deal with.

The issue is not Russia expanding - BUT NATO or separate EU nations entering into the conflict and not only aiding Ukraine but directly engaging Russians in Ukraine and possibly attacking targets in Russia proper. NATO troops launching missile / air attacks into Russia. This is the RED line - WARNING - Russia is giving to NATO. If NATO troops directly attack Russia proper - Russia will strike back - and if necessary it could be Nuclear.

What happens next is 100% up to NATO and the US - as bad as it has been - the killing and destruction so far has mainly been in Ukraine. Russia is simply stating that if NATO wants to EXPAND this - there will be a price to pay.
Medvedchuk wants to have another 15 minutes' worth of fame, so he's spouting off. Putin saved his butt by spiriting him out of both Ukraine and Crimea. Nice of him to be so grateful.

He reminds me of the recent story of the "former Trump aide" known as the Mooch. Yes, that one, who lasted for ten whole days as the White House Communications Director until Kelly (Trump's Chief of Staff) ran him off. Trump deserves what he gets when he hires former Hillary, Obama and Romney staffers, and this guy was all 3 of them.
 

Cedar Lake

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What are the consequences of the possible confiscation of Russian assets?

We recently told how Washington and London are pushing the EU leadership to confiscate Russian assets abroad. This will expose the European financial system as a whole as unreliable partners (especially to the Global South) and increase the attractiveness of US Treasuries and British debt instruments.

Ursula von der Leyen, in the wake of the announced plan, calls for this decision to be implemented as quickly as possible. Interest received on securities owned by Russian legal entities and individuals is successfully confiscated under false pretexts.

But every situation also has a downside.
Some European economists who have not yet said goodbye to common sense are trying to analyze the losses of foreign businesses as a whole from leaving the Russian Federation.
And the results of this informal audit are impressive.
 

Abert

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Yeah it's "Newsweek" but quite a few of Russian MSM and politicos reportedly aligned with Putin have made such comments regarding nukes on several occasions.
YES - it is a warning they keep having to push - Do Not Get Directly Involved.
YES - sometimes the message appears to be over the top - a good part "selective' printing in Western MSM - part a domestic message for their citizens.

BUT they keep having to toss it out - stronger and stronger - as NATO keeps talking about expanding direct action.

Their LAST Message will be - We Warned you of what would happen - We told you so.
 

colonel holman

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Wonder if it would make their point without triggering WW3 by detonating a few nukes over the pole or remote Indian Ocean, delivered as multiple independently targeted reentry vehicles (MIRVs), demonstrating their technical capability.
 

Tristan

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Medvedchuk wants to have another 15 minutes' worth of fame, so he's spouting off. Putin saved his butt by spiriting him out of both Ukraine and Crimea. Nice of him to be so grateful.

He reminds me of the recent story of the "former Trump aide" known as the Mooch. Yes, that one, who lasted for ten whole days as the White House Communications Director until Kelly (Trump's Chief of Staff) ran him off. Trump deserves what he gets when he hires former Hillary, Obama and Romney staffers, and this guy was all 3 of them.

Are you referring to Scaramucci?
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
I'm with you about Bobby Jr. He's a breath of fresh air, even though he's mired in the bowels of the demonrats. It's kind of a Quixotic quest on his part but anything other than the mindless communism/religion of climate change is welcome from that side of things. FJB while I'm thinking about that unholy bastard.

In the interview, I'm certain that Bobby Jr. meant Sevastopol instead of Vladivostock but anyway. Western journalists are so geographically ignorant that no one probably picked up on that. One Russian name is as unintelligible as another, besides, when it's spoken with the harsh yet mushy tongue of the Slavs.

The other thing he didn't mention was the daily bombing of the Donbass cities beginning in 2014. Donetsk City has been so torn up the past ten years that it's going to take a long time to rebuild it, but rebuild it the Russians will.

I often wonder why Russia hasn't prioritized the Donetsk-Avdeeyevka-Chasov Yar corridor more strongly, so they could destroy the Ukrainian artillery sites which shell them daily. Holding a constant tension on that 1000-km front has to be an emotional strain. Anyway, the Russian military leadership is nothing if not professional. Gerasimov does appear to have a strategy in mind, and so far he's got the people's support in that region.
 

Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee

Russia Recruits 30,000 Soldiers Per Month | Another Abrams (6th) Was Destroyed.​

Always a good - fast (10 min) recap of the last 12-24 hours.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eym5DAdK6p0
Modern tanks are comparable, what has always been the determinant of combat success has always been training and employment, something the Ukrainian’s are woefully deficient in.
Other sources have said it was hit by a ATGM "Kornet" with a tandem cumulative warhead.
 
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Abert

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I'm with you about Bobby Jr. He's a breath of fresh air, even though he's mired in the bowels of the demonrats. It's kind of a Quixotic quest on his part but anything other than the mindless communism/religion of climate change is welcome from that side of things. FJB while I'm thinking about that unholy bastard.

In the interview, I'm certain that Bobby Jr. meant Sevastopol instead of Vladivostock but anyway. Western journalists are so geographically ignorant that no one probably picked up on that. One Russian name is as unintelligible as another, besides, when it's spoken with the harsh yet mushy tongue of the Slavs.

The other thing he didn't mention was the daily bombing of the Donbass cities beginning in 2014. Donetsk City has been so torn up the past ten years that it's going to take a long time to rebuild it, but rebuild it the Russians will.

I often wonder why Russia hasn't prioritized the Donetsk-Avdeeyevka-Chasov Yar corridor more strongly, so they could destroy the Ukrainian artillery sites which shell them daily. Holding a constant tension on that 1000-km front has to be an emotional strain. Anyway, the Russian military leadership is nothing if not professional. Gerasimov does appear to have a strategy in mind, and so far he's got the people's support in that region.
It appears that Chasov Yar IS on the Menu - reports that almost all civilians have gone and the Russian troops have been making slow and steady advances - currently only 1km away and hitting the city hard. It is clear this is even more important and operationally significant than Avdiivka was.

Avdivika went a LOT faster then even I think the Russians expected. With Air dominance I would not be surprised if this becomes the testing ground for their new FAB-3000 - 3.3 TON Glide Bombs. Without AD there is nothing to stop the Russian advances. Yes Ukraine can send more "replacements" into front line trenches after a hit. But it is very likely Ukraine will run out of "replacements" well before Russian runs out of bombs.
 

Abert

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This should be interesting!
 
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