Turkey closed its air space to the US in the last - defensive action - there is Zero chance they would take part in an attack on Iran or allow US aircraft to attack Iran from their nation.
ALERT Regional middleast war thread Israel and Iran at war
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Arguably the bigger immediate threat to Israel is Hezbollah with the thousands of Iranian supplied missiles with flight times of minutes to targets in Israel followed by the Houthis and the remnants of Hamas then Iran proper.
CaryC
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Just talking and giving opinion, nothing more:
They absolutely have won in Ukraine. It's just a matter of the collective west recognizing it.
Saw an article over at zerohedge this am where an Army guy of some sort was testifying in Congress, that Russia now has the largest Army on the continent. They are a big dog now.
From sources we can't talk about, Russia has "been destined" to move into the Middle East for a while now. Even without that source, it should be at least contemplated, that Russia has pay back on their mind. Against the west. For how they have been treated because of Ukraine. And that a hot war doesn't have to be on the horizon with the west. Just an economic one. And oil is at the top of that list. In conjunction with BRICS+.
While the US came in as the big dog backing Israel, a weakened US, and we really are weak, not being able to supply a small army with 155 shells (what's up with that?????) to an economy that can't support a war. 34 trillion in debt. Mumble mouth and Karens as our leadership. I'm not sure weak is accurate. There is coming a time when the US either can't or won't back Israel (might loose votes ya know) and that will make Russia the big dog in the ME who will back Iran, and then let's see what happens.
Don't think that will be the case in the next few days but maybe Nov. or four years from Nov.
colonel holman
Veteran Member
Could be an Iranian war plan. On the first Iranian attack, throw few hundreds lightweight generic drones and missiles at Israel, discovering how Israel defends itself and sap off some of Israel’s (and its allies’) very expensive defensive tools, while expending only low-dollar ordnance. Then fine tune the real Iranian offensive as a response to a measured Israeli offensive revenge response (a response that, as a bonus, looks like it may only go without US active support).
That real Iranian response would be all-out, full-blast, flood-the-zone with 100,000 thousand missiles/drones from Iran and its heavily-equipped allies Hezbollah (120-150,000 of its own missile) and from Shia rebels in Syria and Iraq and Yemen (compared to the mere few hundred incoming during Iran’s first time around launches). No way could Israel defenses keep up with that inundation. Could easily be a ELE for Israel, Especially if US is pissed at Israel for not standing down on their revenge attack, and will not (and cannot) give a timely response on this full-fledged attack. Especially ominous if the Iraqi fundamentalist leaders do not fear nuclear conflagration (or have arranged with Russia for a nuclear umbrella that Washington decides “just aint worth fighting.”
Been mentioned already but that is what I fear is coming
That real Iranian response would be all-out, full-blast, flood-the-zone with 100,000 thousand missiles/drones from Iran and its heavily-equipped allies Hezbollah (120-150,000 of its own missile) and from Shia rebels in Syria and Iraq and Yemen (compared to the mere few hundred incoming during Iran’s first time around launches). No way could Israel defenses keep up with that inundation. Could easily be a ELE for Israel, Especially if US is pissed at Israel for not standing down on their revenge attack, and will not (and cannot) give a timely response on this full-fledged attack. Especially ominous if the Iraqi fundamentalist leaders do not fear nuclear conflagration (or have arranged with Russia for a nuclear umbrella that Washington decides “just aint worth fighting.”
Been mentioned already but that is what I fear is coming
rob0126
Veteran Member
RT 21.XX
Lucas Gage's perspective on the recent Iran relatiation.
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Concerning.
Lucas Gage's perspective on the recent Iran relatiation.
WW3: Iran Launches Attack Against Israel: Extensive Damage Reported At Air Force Base
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Concerning.
northern watch
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jward
passin' thru
Jason Brodsky
@JasonMBrodsky
A move to strike #Iran's regime outside Iranian territory makes no sense to me, especially after Iran fired at Israeli territory. This is more of the same--what #Israel has been doing for years--and not a deterrent message. 1/2
This sounds like U.S. performative responses over the years aiming at shipments and storage facilities. 2/2
Faytuks News Δ
@Faytuks
Read the article and I didn't post it because it's based on conversations before Saturday. Feels outdated.
5:47 AM · Apr 16, 2024
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Jason Brodsky
@JasonMBrodsky
That's my sense.
www.nbcnews.com
@JasonMBrodsky
A move to strike #Iran's regime outside Iranian territory makes no sense to me, especially after Iran fired at Israeli territory. This is more of the same--what #Israel has been doing for years--and not a deterrent message. 1/2
This sounds like U.S. performative responses over the years aiming at shipments and storage facilities. 2/2
Faytuks News Δ
@Faytuks
Read the article and I didn't post it because it's based on conversations before Saturday. Feels outdated.
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Jason Brodsky
@JasonMBrodsky
That's my sense.
U.S. officials expect Israeli response to Iran strikes will be limited
The U.S. assessment is based on conversations between American and Israeli officials before Iran's retaliatory attack Saturday night.
www.nbcnews.com
jward
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Faytuks News Δ
@Faytuks
There is US intelligence to suggest Israel is weighing a narrow and limited strike inside Iran, source tells CNN
View: https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1780219315989495852
@Faytuks
There is US intelligence to suggest Israel is weighing a narrow and limited strike inside Iran, source tells CNN
View: https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1780219315989495852
jward
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- Israel National News
- Israeli News
- Nearly 50 survivors of Nova massacre have committed suicide
Nearly 50 survivors of Nova massacre have committed suicide
Many survivors of the Nova music festival massacre are forcibly admitted to psychiatric wards; other survivors demand: 'Why do we need to prove and explain more in order to receive help?'
Hezki Baruch
Apr 16, 2024, 12:26 PM (GMT+3)
The State Control Committee on Tuesday held a meeting discussing the bureaucratic difficulties faced by the survivors of the Nova music festival massacre on October 7, as they attempt to receive treatment for their trauma.
Guy Ben Shimon, a survivor of the massacre said, "There are nearly 50 suicides among the Nova [survivors] - that is a number from two months ago. There are many more who are forcibly admitted."
Na'ama Eitan, who also survived the massacre, said, "I participated in a study which checked my heartrate and other parameters and showed me how I really am not okay at all. The average number of hours I sleep each night is two. I spent seven hours under a tree, while terrorists passed beside me and I called the police and asked, 'Where are you? Why is no one coming?' If there is quiet around me, my head is noisy and I go back to there. I need someone to accompany me at all times."
Related articles:
- Lidor Levi, victim of stabbing attack, succumbs to his wounds
- SFC Ilay David Garfinkel was killed in shooting attack
- Turning the victim into the aggressor
- 'I said 'Shema Yisrael' and he fired at me'
Or Nasa, another survivor, shared, "We don't wake up at night and we can't do anything, and now they come and we need to fill out this form or that form. This could ruin our entire day. We are not able to do anything. A friend stopped working because of a mental breakdown that she experienced, but the National Insurance Institute doctors did not recognize her as suffering a work injury. I need to go to a psychologist but there is an appointment only five months from now."
jward
passin' thru
Will Schryver and IntelSky follow
Sharmine Narwani
@snarwani
EXCLUSIVE: "An Iranian military security official has revealed that the US contacted the Islamic Republic, asking the nation to allow Israel 'a symbolic strike to save face' following Iran's retaliatory drone and missile barrage this weekend."
thecradle.co
View: https://twitter.com/snarwani/status/1780199469172113877
Sharmine Narwani
@snarwani
EXCLUSIVE: "An Iranian military security official has revealed that the US contacted the Islamic Republic, asking the nation to allow Israel 'a symbolic strike to save face' following Iran's retaliatory drone and missile barrage this weekend."
EXCLUSIVE: US makes failed bid for Iran to allow 'symbolic strike' by Israel
Washington used diplomatic backchannels to ask Tehran not to retaliate to an Israeli strike, which would allow Tel Aviv to 'save face' following the massive retaliatory attack launched by Iran
thecradle.co
jward
passin' thru
Joe Truzman
@JoeTruzman
Hezbollah field commander reportedly targeted in the strike.
View: https://twitter.com/JoeTruzman/status/1780217388757307408
@JoeTruzman
Hezbollah field commander reportedly targeted in the strike.
View: https://twitter.com/JoeTruzman/status/1780217388757307408
alchemike
Veteran Member
Turkey is NATO. How does that play out?
This isn’t a NATO action and they are still sovereign independent countries
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Who ARE these people, and where did they learn their craft (always assuming they learned Some of it SOMEWHERE) .
THIS is essentially delusional behavior. Hell, the Iranian answer vibrated all the way to FLy Over Country Heartland!!!
alchemike
Veteran Member
That might work for a minute or two...but not if this thing gets much hotter.
Turkey will side with the other militant musloids when it gets serious.
Their NATO membership is a sham, IMO.
Their NATO membership is a sham, IMO.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Got THAT right!!!
Sacajawea
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I don't understand why they haven't gotten the memo, either ND. The US simply can't "tell" other countries what to do and how high they're allowed to jump anymore. This is the most frustrating and mind-boggling part of all this. At least they did authorize some shoot-downs in Israel's defense.
And if there is any truth in Biden "requesting" Iran to pull their punch... well, Bibi should just stop taking Biden's calls. You don't "stage manage" someone else's war and if you TRY, you become the target for both parties.
And if there is any truth in Biden "requesting" Iran to pull their punch... well, Bibi should just stop taking Biden's calls. You don't "stage manage" someone else's war and if you TRY, you become the target for both parties.
Mark D
Now running for Emperor.
That CAN'T be a real story.Will Schryver and IntelSky follow
Sharmine Narwani
@snarwani
EXCLUSIVE: "An Iranian military security official has revealed that the US contacted the Islamic Republic, asking the nation to allow Israel 'a symbolic strike to save face' following Iran's retaliatory drone and missile barrage this weekend."
View: https://twitter.com/snarwani/status/1780199469172113877EXCLUSIVE: US makes failed bid for Iran to allow 'symbolic strike' by Israel
Washington used diplomatic backchannels to ask Tehran not to retaliate to an Israeli strike, which would allow Tel Aviv to 'save face' following the massive retaliatory attack launched by Iran
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
EVEN when you consider Chair Joint Chief Shaka Zulu and HIS handling of the Chinese???
Check yo hookah, brother. Someone loaded it with hopium this morning.
Check yo hookah, brother. Someone loaded it with hopium this morning.
Wildweasel
F-4 Phantoms Phorever
Then somebody screwed up, because Google Maps shows about 100 Nato-style TAB-V hardened aircraft shelters all around that base. And it's a huge airbase with 5 runways and numerous parallel taxiways usable as emergency runways.
The only aircraft parked outside were some C-130s and 707s. And they look like they were retired aircraft, the way they were parked nose-to-tail on an out of the way taxiway.
The US money and support says we can.
Seeker22
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Counting derivatives, we're over a Quadrillion in the hole. Seriously- what money?
Donghe Surfer
Veteran Member
Must see.
Many Christians blindly support Israel without understanding the country and how Christians are not truly free there.
Can start around 27:45.
Evangelism is illegal.
Ironic that evangelicals in U.S. wholeheartedly support Israel, yet it is illegal to set up such churches there.
Israel is not a real democracy island in the MidEast like the media and governments portray it. The right for self-determination is only for the Jewish people (no other people), as written in the law.
Wildweasel
F-4 Phantoms Phorever
Severe weather evacuation like yesterday's report of close to 40 or more planes getting out of town at Altus AFB?
That is our stick and carrot. The truth is without US military support Israel would be in big trouble. What would have happened to Israel if the US and Jordan hadn’t helped take down those drones and missiles? In addition to what we send them we pay for a lot of the stuff they manufacture.
As for Iran. I don’t see any reason why we wouldn’t ask them. Worth a shot. Israel will retaliate which means Iran will retaliate and on and on. Unless one of them stops we are all in trouble.
Wildweasel
F-4 Phantoms Phorever
Oh NO!!! Iran is going to unleash its stealth fighter and show the world how stealthy cardboard, fiberglass and Silly Putty can be!
This isn’t true. Freedom of religion is guaranteed in Israel.
From embassies.gov.il
The Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel (1948) guarantees freedom of religion for all. Each religious community is free, by law and in practice, to exercise its faith, to observe its holidays and weekly day of rest, and to administer its internal affairs. Each has its own religious council and courts, recognized by law and with jurisdiction over all religious affairs and matters of personal status such as marriage and divorce. Each has its own unique places of worship, with traditional rituals and special architectural features developed over the centuries.
https://embassies.gov.il/holysee/AboutIsrael/Pages/Religious-Freedom-.aspx#
Below is an AP article from last year about Netanyahu blocking a bill against Christian proselytizing.
Israeli leader halts bill against Christian proselytizing
Israeli leader halts bill against Christian proselytizing
JERUSALEM (AP) — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday said he would prevent the passage of a proposal by a powerful ally in his governing coalition to punish Christian proselytizing with jail time.
The proposal had raised an uproar with evangelical Christians — one of Israel’s strongest and most influential supporters in the United States.
The bill was introduced in January by a pair of ultra-Orthodox Jewish lawmakers, including Moshe Gafni, who heads the parliament’s Finance Committee. It says soliciting someone to convert their faith should be punishable by one year in prison and solicitation to convert a minor would be punishable with a two-year sentence.
“Recently, the attempts of missionary groups, mainly Christians, to solicit conversion of religion have increased,” it said.
The bill was never advanced, but it drew widespread attention in the American evangelical world this week after All Israel News, an evangelical news site, reported on it.
On Wednesday, Netanyahu announced on Twitter: “We will not advance any law against the Christian community.”
Gafni said he had introduced the bill as a procedural matter, as he has done in the past, and there were no plans to advance it.
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Evangelical Christians, particularly in the United States, are among the strongest backers of Israel, viewing it as the fulfillment of biblical prophecy, with some seeing it as the harbinger of a second coming of Jesus Christ and the end of days.
Israel has long welcomed evangelicals’ political and financial support, and it has largely shrugged off concerns about any hidden religious agenda. But most Jews view any effort to convert them to Christianity as deeply offensive, a legacy of centuries of persecution and forced conversion at the hands of Christian rulers. In part, because of those sensitivities, evangelical Christians rarely target Jews.
Joel Rosenberg, editor in chief of All Israel News, welcomed Netanyahu’s announcement, which comes at a time of domestic turmoil in Israel over his plan to overhaul the country’s legal system and rising tensions with the Biden administration over West Bank settlement activities.
“Netanyahu is a longtime and proven friend to the global Christian community and his action today — amidst all the other issues on his plate — is further proof,” Rosenberg said.
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First NATO - by definition - is a defensive operation. Granted they have taken part in a number of offensive actions attacking other nations FIRST. But in the end there is NO requirement that they act in lock step. Even in the often called out Article 5 - an attack against one is an attack against all - does not require all members to take military action. Even under Article 5 each nation gets to decide on what and how much they will do - they can even sit out the conflict.
As for Turkey - they are foremost a Muslim nation - an attack on another Muslim nation - especially acting in support of Israel would politically be impossible.
Doughboy42
Veteran Member
Danger in this scenario is Israel's Samson Option. Then becomes ELE or TEOTWAWKI event. Move into nukes, end with sticks and stones.
Vegas321
Live free and survive
I was thinking that, after I posted.
danielboon
TB Fanatic
See Ezekiel 38 & 39
Wildweasel
F-4 Phantoms Phorever
I have to wonder if the F-35's full capabilities were demonstrated? There's always been talk that the ECM suite and radar could be used to deliver a microwave pulse to disable the electronics of an attacking aircraft.
Maybe it could be used against missiles as well? Get a radar lock-on, send a pulse and the missile goes out of control. F-35s flying over Iraq would be close enough to get a radar lock shortly after launch and missiles in their boost phase would be moving slowly, so plenty of time for engagement. Maybe even early enough for the missiles to fall on Iran.
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Some variation of the CHAMP missile?
Wildweasel
F-4 Phantoms Phorever
No. Purely internal to the F-35's onboard electronics and not a one-time thing like CHAMP. Limiting factor would be how long the F-35 could stay on-station within range of the Iranian border.
Likely for internal political reasons - have to show they are STRONG. But more likely to test Iran's AD Systems to judge if a larger attack could be pulled off.
In this last round the Muslim nations (except Jordan) were neutral - this keeps up and at some point that is likely to change. Never forget Iran has the ability to shut down international Oil shipments through the Strait of Hormuz. Or in support of Iran the Gulf States (BRICS) could pull another Western Oil embargo - LOTS of ways for this to go Sideways - and Fast.
yeah, but the core technology would be closely related, i'm guessing.
Wildweasel
F-4 Phantoms Phorever
Perfect time for an Israeli response. First warhead targeted to the VIP reviewing stand, with "HAPPY BIRTHDAY AYATOLLAH" written on it.